Giants Win Protest, Cubs and Giants Will Resume Rain-Shortened Game Thursday Afternoon

The Giants won its protest over the way Tuesday night’s game ended and the two teams will resume play Thursday afternoon at 4:05pm CDT with the bottom of the fifth inning. The regularly scheduled game will follow the conclusion of the suspended game. First pitch for Thursday’s game still scheduled for 7:05pm CDT.

When play resumes, the Cubs will have a 2-0 lead with the pitcher’s spot due up for the Cubs. Tsuyoshi Wada is still in line for the win and Ryan Vogelsong the loss, but a complete game shutout has been removed from Wada’s record.

By rule, the two teams will not be able to add a 26th man to the active roster.

The Giants filed a formal protest with the league Wednesday morning citing Rule 4.12 (a) (3) and claimed the ground crew did not do what the umpires requested Tuesday night.

According to a report from John Shea, the Giants did not feel the rule was properly applied Tuesday.

John Shea posted the rule in which the Giants were able to use to win its protest.

(a) A game shall become a suspended game that must be completed at a future date if the game is terminated for any of the following reasons:
(3) Light failure or malfunction of a mechanical field device under control of the home club. (Mechanical field device shall include automatic tarpaulin or water removal equipment);

PrintThis was the ninth protest filed by a Major League team in the last decade, first since the Angels in 2012. The first eight were denied. And the Giants are the first team to win a protest in 28 years.

According to a report from John Shea, the Giants asked for the game to be awarded to them via a forfeit. The request for the Cubs to forfeit the game was denied.

There is an 80 percent chance of rain Thursday and it was questionable if the two teams would be able to get the finale of the three-game series in.

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  • Jeff Wilson

    Well, I wonder what the SF Giants will cry about after we win the outcome of the suspended game..

    • GaryLeeT

      I agree. It would be one thing if they had runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs, and the game was called, but come on.

    • ryjo723

      They’ll probably claim the stress of the situation/ordeal left them mentally exhausted. They’ll then submit an appeal to have a mulligan on that game.

      I’m okay with losing games in a year when we are already eliminated and getting better draft compensation. But I really want to win this game to shut them up.

  • SirGladiator

    Wow, that’s incredibly unfair. This goes against one of the most basic rules of baseball, that if you can’t continue after 5 innings, or 4 1/2 if the home team is winning, the team that’s ahead wins. It’s always been that way, that was, is, and always should be the rule, but the San Francisco folks want to change the basic rules of baseball just for them, and actually got some crazy person to go along with it. Absolutely unbelievable.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      I wanted to agree Sir. And you and everyone know me…my rose-colored glasses always favor the Cubs.

      But it did seem as if there was some, I don’t know what else to say, incompetence. I didn’t get to watch the game, but it appeared the ground crew didn’t do a very good job of keeping the field well covered and ready. So I’m not sure if it’s just a simple Mother Nature issue. When I watched the highlights and heard the Giants would protest. I was driving to work this morning thinking “we’re going to end up having to finish this game.”

      • Vivid_Reality

        I was perfectly fine with them picking up the suspended game. The Cubs ground-crew didn’t do the best of jobs so that is only fair to give them a chance to play 9. It kinda irks me that the Giants called for a forfeit though. That seems pretty classless especially since they were being shutout for the first half of the game. Not saying we had it in the bag by any stretch but it just seems like a cheap attempt to grab a W.

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          I agree. It’s sort of a cheap attempt to win. And dragging everyone back out there. It just has a bad feel for us to me…

          The Giants are holding on to the 2nd Wild Card slot by the skin of their teeth. If the situation was reversed how would we feel?

          It wasn’t really fair. The Giants got kind of jobbed. But I’d bet if the game had been Cubs and Padres, the commissioners office would have upheld the end.

          • Sonate

            The Giants got “jobbed”??? I have witnessed many games called form rain and the rules were always applied. Why are the rules changed???? I am sick!!

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            You know, I probably shouldn’t say “jobbed,” because I couldn’t watch the game. But from the highlights it appeared the ground crew made some major mistakes and their incompetence led to the game getting called.

        • Sonate

          Agreed. This is the attempt of SF lawyers to “persuade” MLB to make an unjust decision. No evidence to present here. Just a feeble attempt to get a better outcome.

        • Sonate

          Agreed. This is the attempt of SF lawyers to “persuade” MLB to make an unjust decision. No evidence to present here. Just a feeble attempt to get a better outcome.

    • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

      Sir: I see your point. But I’m sure that the ruling was influenced by the fact that the GIANTS are in pennant contention and the CUBS are in last place.

      Frankly, I hope our players play well, but if they lose games I see it as one last opportunity to get a lower draft pick.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        I believe you’re on to something my friend Larry…

        Man where did this guy come from?! It’s like having Peter Gammons himself on the CCO ;)

        • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

          Thanks BR. That was just my take. Plus, it’s likely this tarp problem wont’ occur for another 100 years. So, why not give the GIANTS the B.O.D. (i.e. benefit of the doubt) I actually, think MLB showed some leadership and sensitivity that says: We’re
          open to considering such protests on a case by case basis instead of just “pointing to a rule book.”

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Ever since I first played t-ball I remember being involved in several games that were protested for one reason or another. It always seemed to be a pointless formality. I remember my high school coach saying t was just “tom make the point that we feel we were robbed.” So I agree its kind of nice to see it can work. The more I think about this situation, the more I feel it was the right call. Particularly with a team fighting for the playoffs affected.

            And I do like your posts ;). Glad you’ve made yourself more permanent.

      • Sonate

        I agree, but It’s not right!! Apply the rules! Baseball did not. There is NO ambiguity about this from my reading of the rules. No, we don’t have an electronic tarp! No the grounds crew were not complicit. What is the reason to override the rules. There is no ambiguity! (If I’m wrong, please tell me!)

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          Whether the cRew was complicit or not. They made mistakes that effected the conditions.

        • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

          Sonate: I agree with you. You’re not wrong. But…consider this: In any rule there is room for some interpretation. MLB did not think the Tarp crew “complicit.” But they did expect the CUB Tarp Maintenance crew to expeditiously unroll the tarp and cover the field to prevent the field from being soaked and therefore — unplayable because of the heavy rain.

          Even though it was accidental, the fact is — the crew had trouble unrolling the “manual” tarp. Their negligience created a condition where even though the rain stopped, it was impossible to repair the field. It was on this basis that they decided not to follow a strict interpretation of the rule and give the GIANTS the benefit of the doubt.

          Even though they’re suppose to strictly interpret the rules — they are also human. So, I’m sure they realized this game could unfairly impact the GIANT’S pennant race. This is what I think happened.

        • cc002600

          Oh Please. Really ? Who cares ? The cubs are in last place and the games means nothing to them. I applaud Jed / Theo for great sportsmanship in wanting to continue the game for the Giants since its a huge game for them. This shouldn’t have happened. Not blaming anyone, but it is what it is.

          Also, since when is every rule enforced ? I could give 2 very quick examples. Doesn’t the rulebook say the strike zone is from the knees to armpits ? And yet we all know that umpires don’t call strikes above the belt. Right ? Does that bother you ?

          And what about the “neighborhood play” ?? Doesn’t the strict interpretation of the rule state that the infielder should have his foot on the base when turning a DP ?

          Come on, sometimes common sense needs to overrule the rulebook. The score was 2-0 after 5 innings, That’s a cheap way to win. That rule should be changed, or there should always be an allowance to suspend a game if necessary, at umpire’s discretion.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Good post. I don’t know what Theo’s position on this is. But yeah, they are solid dudes, and they want to win but if SF loses the Wild Card by 1 game I would imagine they wouldn’t want to be a part of something that in hindsight was improper application of the rule. The rule seems clear, I don’t see how it can be interpreted any other way. If I were SF I would be pretty upset that the game was impacted by malfunctioning tarp. I’m with you and I appreciate your reasoning and logic.

          • cc002600

            Thanks, man.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            My pleasure. I remember when Theo wanted to interview Tori Lavuto or whatever his name is. So many said he was being unethical and whatnot. Now I think those same people will want to hang him if he in any way conceded to agree the rule was applied wrong. I will never cease to be amazed with the bias agaisnt the man. Never heard a bad thing said about him by anyone who knows him.

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  • triple

    I really think it’s the proper call considering the difficulties that the grounds crew had with getting the tarp in place. That should not happen. If this was upheld and it counted as a cub win, how many times would we start seeing slow crews covering up the field any time the home team has a lead going into a rain delay? If anything, ground crews in all the ballparks should make sure they have all their business in order so it doesn’t happen again.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      Great point about the bad precedent Trip. Home teams could manipulate this.

      • paulcatanese

        Could? I think you have never watched the great Casey Stengel
        manage a ballgame with the weather a factor. He was the master at delaying for the weather to take effect:)

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          Nope I have not! See Paul, that’s the sort of information that I learn only from you. What would he do? Just a couple examples…

          • paulcatanese

            Have hitters in and out of the box, call them down to talk to first or third base coach(offensive side) defensive, the reverse have hitters swing the bat, not take too many pitches, just some that I can remember, and when on the way to the mound to talk to the pitcher, an ant would be faster. Lots of ways, all of them obvious, even commented on by the announcers.

    • Swish23

      i’ve watched baseball for 40 years ; never seen it before; it was a fluke based on the weather. no one needs the tarp crew to practice. sometime flukes happen. many times they occur with the team at clark and addision. commonly called “cubby occurences”. this is not the WWE.

      • triple

        “no one needs the tarp crew to practice.”

        Wow, really? I guess you have a job where there are no performance standards that you need to maintain? No reason to motivate to perform at a level that is satisfactory?

        It’s not like this country has zero unemployment and this is some sort of job that the Cubs have to sweep the streets for degenerates to make sure that simple task gets done properly. Even though it’s not a full-time job for at least 75% of the crew (just my guess), they probably work at least 80-100 days a year there, and don’t even get paid that great, but the perk is that they get paid to watch 81 Cubs games a year, and keep the field at a more than acceptable playing condition. Remember this isn’t the Little League where a local parks department maintains the field. Soldier Field is notorious for having problems with the quality of the playing field, and that is due to Chicago’s local parks department that is responsible to maintain it. They are probably the only NFL team that is stuck in a raw deal like that. The MLB has 30 teams, and fewer jobs available as members of a team’s grounds crew than there are for the players even. Does it demand life dedication like the players? No. But it demands that they do their job well enough to provide the players with the best playing surface possible. They failed miserably last night. Not just for the players, but for the paying fans that stuck it through who wanted to see a baseball game finished. The grounds crew did not deliver last night. I’d bet that Theo Epstein was at least mildly embarrassed by the situation enough to make sure that this won’t happen again.

        And by the way, I never said anything about the grounds crews needing to practice. I just said that they all should have their business in order. Meaning that each should be accountable and able to perform their duties. This includes recognizing when something isn’t going right. If anything, maybe the last time they took the tarp off the field, something got messed up then that caused this problem. But maybe one or two of the guys was lazy and didn’t care enough to do it right. Well guess what, if that was the case, it may have just cost the Cubs a notch in the W column.

    • Sonate

      If the umps believe that the grounds crew purposely made the field unplayable, they have the right to forfeit the game to SF. If it is simply incompetence, and umpires share in this, too bad!! (After reading my comment, I must add I meant no disrespect to you. Maybe I should take an aspirin!)

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        I thought the same for a minute, but then rereading the rule seeing “malfunction of a mechanical device….under the home team’s control,” seems pretty clear. Doesn’t seem to leave a lot of room for interpretation in this case.

      • triple

        You make some good points Sonate…. the only thing I can think though is to view this from the other side, and if it was the Cubs in this situation in another teams ballpark, we would want the same outcome that has happened. Afterall, all it is is opportunity. The Giants haven’t won that game yet. No disrespect taken either. Hope your evening gets better, if in fact it’s been a rough night for you…

  • ryjo723

    I’m fine with the game being resumed, but the Giants requesting a forfeit is really weak sauce. I understand them trying to enhance their chances of making the playoffs, but if that isn’t a case of poor sportsmanship, I don’t know what else to call it. Whining about the game being called due to an honest mistake by the grounds crew, then along for a forfeit from the other team, is just pathetic. Simply put.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      I just don’t agree. This is professional baseball, and these guys work their entire adult lives at this. If my favorite team, player, or most certainly a team I managed or owned, did not do absolutely everything they possibly could to win (within the rules) I would be upset.

      I think weak sauce would be more if they just said “aw screw it.” Give everything you have. Like Arnold Palmer says, in competition you NEVER concede a putt.

      • ryjo723

        That’s fine if you disagree. But your own logic of saying “these guys work their entire adult lives at this” proves my point. The circumstances of the game necessitate a continuation for them to attempt to “work” in order to earn a victory. Not cry and ask for a forfeit from the other team’s players who “work” just as hard as they do and are not at fault for the situation at hand. So to me, it’s absolutely weak sauce to try to argue for a forfeiture under these circumstances. If you want the chance to win that game, “work” for it.

        Sorry for placing so much emphasis on that word, but it really does prove my point.

  • Sonate

    I’m absolutely flabbergasted! There is NO mention of the rules in this! If they want to accuse the members of the grounds crew with complicity in a conspiracy to deny the Giants from a victory, I’d be happy to represent them as they sue the Giants and MLB for defamation. If there was incompetence (likely) that is insufficient under the rules!!!! Will someone apply the RULES!!!!!
    (Sorry for the rant. I don’t’ disagree with the outcome, but the process was both arbitrary and capricious.)

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      I don’t know what the letter of the rules say. As I heard on ESPN and elsewhere, if it’s because of incompetence or anything involving human error, the Giansts have a case. But I would be interested to read the rule book.

  • Swish23

    we all know the cubs are tanking seasons on purpose; 3 and counting after this year, but if EJax ever throws another pitch for the cubs at all; after tonite’s lackluster performance; then we know the cubs just aren’t trying. 52M joke.(add in Baker, Fujikawa, G Concepcion, Hairston, etc) about 80M of very limited funds have been sorely misused by this FO. i’m not sure if you paid 16M of Jackson’s 22M will get him traded at this point.
    as far as the “suspended game”; the tarp got drenched as was the field; would not call it incompetence, would call it a drenched tarp on a mudpit; dragging rubber tarp would required cranes pulling it. rule is a rule. i think the FO went way over backwards to let the giants play the game; either so we can lose another or unacceptable competitiveness; rule is a rule; the “tarp” was not rolled “wrong” at last use as MLB “made up this rule” to allow the giants play. the FO should of said; tough; we don’t make the rules. (granted; we should be rooting for losses; this should be the last year of a top 5 pick; maybe top 10, but i don’t like rules being changed to suit needs of those that whine. is this NASCAR?

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      Man you’re out there tonight…

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    I’ve seen all the comments on this thread. And I must say, I love seeing my passionate Cubs brethren come out in support, ready to fight to the death for this team to not have to finish this game! I said I wanted to see the rule, because I skimmed the article earlier, but I went back and found it above. And I have to admit, it does sound pretty clear that a malfunction of tarp by home team crew, whether accidental or not, is cause to suspend and not end the game. The language there seems pretty clear that the reversal is the right call.

    Like I said I do like to hear all the passioned defense. And although I think it is probably the right call, tomorrow when I talk to non-Cubs fans, and if i was to post anywhere with a mixture of MLB but not Cubs fans. As far as their concerned I’d say the reversal was BS and the Cubs are getting screwed! The only place I would concede the truth is right here, amongst the faithful.

    But yeah, the rule seems pretty clear. I’m not a lawyer, but I do have a solid grasp of english, and it appears the game should have been suspended.

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