Gammons Does Not See the Cubs and Mets Making a Deal

Take Peter Gammons off the list of national baseball writers that feels the Cubs and Mets would make perfect trade partners this off-season. The Cubs are scouting the Mets system and might be interested in acquiring one of New York’s young pitchers, like Noah Syndergaard. And from all of the reports from the New York media, the Mets are interested in one of the Cubs talented shortstops.

While reports from New York indicated the Mets would not be willing to trade one of the young arms for Starlin Castro, but maybe Addison Russell, Peter Gammons does not see the two teams making a deal.

Peter Gammons discussed the Starlin Castro and Mets rumors on High Heat with Christopher Russo. And the Hall of Famer spoke the truth about Castro’s value as well as pointing out that the Cubs and Mets simply do not match up well on a trade.

PrintGammons found it ridiculous that the New York media interviewed Starlin Castro and asked him if he wanted to become a Met. Gammons does not think the Cubs would take one minor league pitching prospect, like Noah Syndergaard, for Starlin Castro and the Cubs would not be willing to deal one of the other shortstops straight up for Syndergaard either. It would take a lot more from the Mets to make a trade work with the Cubs for one of the shortstops. And when asked if Jacob deGrom for Starlin Castro, straight up, would be enough, Gammons responded, “deGrom and who else? What All-Star game did deGrom pitch in?”

“The two teams do not match up well for what the two teams like in trades,” Gammons said. “I just don’t see it happening.”

Peter Gammons brought up the deal that was discussed last winter between the Mariners and Mets that would have sent Brad Miller to New York for Jon Niese. Gammons thinks that Brad Miller becoming a Met is more likely than the Cubs trading either Starlin Castro or Addison Russell to New York.

 

The perception from the New York and national media is that the Cubs have to make a deal for pitching and will use one of the shortstops to do so. But the Cubs are in a position of strength and are not being forced to trade one of the shortstops. Jed Hoyer explained last week the front office has had discussions about ways in which to get all of the prospects on the field together, if the players make it to the majors.

Peter Gammons hit the proverbial ball out of the park when he said that just because a player is on a Baseball America prospect list it does not mean that player is going to perform in the big leagues … and Starlin Castro has.

In five seasons at the highest level possible, Starlin Castro has a career slash line of .285/.324/.408 with 161 doubles, 29 triples, 50 home runs and a .732 OPS. And he already has 833 hits.

As the report from Comcast SportsNet pointed out, Starlin Castro has performed at the Major League level on a daily basis, not in the minors, plus Castro is 24 years old and will not turn 25 until next March. Starlin Castro was rushed to the majors and lost developmental time that would have allowed him to learn the game in the minors instead of under the spotlight of playing in the Major Leagues.

Starlin Castro is the Cubs shortstop as both Castro and Jed Hoyer reminded everyone who cared to listen last week.

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  • cubtex

    Wiser words were never spoken.

    Peter Gammons hit the proverbial ball out of the park when he said that just because a player is on a Baseball America prospect list it does not mean that player is going to perform in the big leagues … and Starlin Castro has.

    • Pat Kolp

      That was great. Gammons is no fool either.

      • cubtex

        It’s so true what Gammons said about prospects.

        • Pat Kolp

          Exactly. No way the Cubs trade for SP prospects. At least, they wouldn’t be a centerpiece in a trade.

          • cubtex

            not for Castro.

          • Pat Kolp

            That’s my point. It would have to start with Wheeler and Degrome and then some.

          • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

            To your point Pat: To trade any established player, the CUBS would need several top quality prospects to even consider it. Position player prospects are risky, but pitcher prospects are even more risky. Yet, opposing teams are going to very reluctant to give the CUBS even 2 top pitching prospects.

            The CUBS would do well to keep all 3 of their SS. There are enough F.A. + reclamation projects out there to come up with a “starting 5 rotation” + some relievers. I would hold off trading any of the CUB Double AA and Triple AAA prospects.

          • Pat Kolp

            I Totally agree. I would love for Theo to not trade any of our SS and find a position for them all to play. I’d love to see a lineup consist of Rizzo, Bryant, Castro, Baez, and Russell. That’s murderers row right there.

          • triple

            Don’t forget Jorge Soler too!

          • TheWrongGuy

            No thanks on any of the Mets young pitchers except Syndergaard.
            T. Collins hasn’t abused that arm yet. he’s the only one I’d be interested in currently. Z. Wheeler’s arm is tiring he will collapse soon.

          • Pat Kolp

            No way is Syndergaard the centerpiece for Castro if he’s traded to them (unlikely)

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            They won’t trade our top prospects or Castro for unproven, young pitching. And I don’t necessarily even think unproven is totally right, there’s not a lot of doubt amongst baseball people that Syndegaard will be a good MLB pitcher. But to me, it’s the injury thing. I don’t want to get him or someone else, then have him on the shelf for 18 months while Castro, Baez or Russell is in Queens playing like an all-star.

          • cubtex

            these are Syndergaard’s minor league numbers in AAA this year

            118.1 IP 138 hits 4.72 ERA 1.50 WHIP

            Does that look like the numbers of a pitcher who should be dealt for a 24 year old All Star Shortstop? They’re nuts!

          • Denver Mike

            I came here to chime in but I don’t really need to, I’ll just keep up-voting your comments when it comes to the topic of Castro. :)

            Taking the words out of my mouth (or off of my fingers I suppose)

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            You do realize we’re pretty much all in agreement on him?

          • Denver Mike

            I didn’t really take a poll :)

            Rather than repeating what others have already said, I’m just piggybacking cubtex’s sentiment. If everyone else agree’s then that’s just dandy!

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I’m not going to answer that because you already know my position!!!!! Why are you calling me to the carpet when my opinion is the same as yours?!!!? LOL

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I was just kidding there ^^

            I like your style ST, most of the time :)

          • cubtex

            it was a general statement not directly solely at you.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I know buddy…however mine was a specific statement of sarcasm and it was directed solely at you…:)

          • Ripsnorter1

            Maybe Castro to Houston for Appel?..
            How about Concepcion? You know, the $5.5 million dollar International signing by Team Theo. What will he bring in a trade? When do you expect him in our rotation? 2015 for sure. But April? Or will they wait to avoid Super Two status?

            LOL

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Concepcion has a little more growing to do before he brings back anything. He may end up being serviceable, but he’s one of those Cuban gambles that reinforces BillyFinT’s positions and undermines my own.

          • cubtex

            look at Concepcion righty lefty splits. The only chance is as a loogy(and that is still a longshot)

          • Ripsnorter1

            I agree. I was be very sarcastic. Appel as well. El Busto.

          • cubtex

            I wouldn’t write Appel off yet. He has mlb stuff.

          • triple

            As much as Appel has been a bust so far, I fully agree with you. What would be amazing is if Houston gets impatient and gives up on him in another year or two. And if the Cubs had the “right” prospects (as in none of our very best) and believe that Bosio and D. Johnson can turn him around, I would be all for that trade. I’m thinking a guy like Dan Vogelbach comes to mind especially if he can have a bust out season in AA next year… by the way, I know I’m reaching here, as it would take more than just Vogelbach, but we’ve got enough depth in the farm system that it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities.

          • Ripsnorter1

            This Justin Turner we just picked up…9th pick in the 1st round in 2009. It took five years, but they gave up on him.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        It is true. I agree with it. But I also don’t think we’re talking about normal prospects. Just my opinion and I’ve given my reasoning several times, but I see Bryant and Russell as close to being “sure things,” as it gets.

        • Pat Kolp

          I do too. Bryant looks like the real deal as does Russell.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I’d bet my house, my health, anything other than my children on those two. Soler, Baez, Almora, McKinney, Schwarber I’d put the next tier down. I’d give all of them over 50% chance of success, but I wouldn’t go out on a limb.

          • Pat Kolp

            Agreed. Soler has so much raw talent. He just needs to stay healthy.

          • cubtex

            and refine that raw talent. He is really struggling lately if you have been keeping track. 5 for his last 42 with 0 HR’s.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            He has indeed, but if he can work his way out of it, he’ll be better because of it you know. Just gotta work out of it first!

          • Pat Kolp

            He is but that’s because he does not have that many at bats at AAA so a couple of 0-4 or 0-5 will kill your AVG.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Sounds like Valbuena is giving him batting lessons.

            Remember: Lake has raw talent, too. And they thought so little of him that they burned up his final option.

          • daverj

            For the past couple years, Lake was never expected to be anything more than a utility guy long term. Lake is not the same caliber of prospect as the other guys being discussed.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Lake’s final option was not burned. I reported incorrect information and corrected by report.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Actually they didn’t. Did you see where the specifics on that were laid out? If he’s back within 20 days it’s not burned… Pretty clever and not surprising use of the roster rules. IMO, there is nobody better than our guys at manipulating and getting the most out of every possible roster loophole and distinction.

          • triple

            No final option burned, so actually it was GREAT ROSTER MANAGEMENT!!!!

          • Ripsnorter1

            No, it was poor roster management. How long did Lake waste away on the bench, or flailing away at low and outside Sorianos (er, I mean, sliders)? They wasted most of a year of development. And the clock is ticking on everybody, including Lake.

            Like Olt, he should have been sent down much earlier.

          • triple

            If he got sent down earlier, then they would have wasted his last option year on him and they’d have to carry him on the 25-man roster for the future, or trade him and get very little for him. Now next year, if he’s not proving to be worthy of the 25-man roster, they can continue to let him try and develop in AAA, an option that would not be possible if they sent him down even a week earlier. They did what was best for the team.

            You know Rip, I really appreciate alot of your posts, but your negativety and hate towards Theo and the Boys just takes away from your credibility sometimes.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Thinking further, if I give them 50% chance, then I’d say it’s a safe bet at least 3 of them do make it. My money is on Soler, Baez, and Schwarber just above McKinney and Almora.

          • Denver Mike

            For the record I also think Bryant is as can’t miss as you get, and I also think Taveras will have a good career when all is said and done.

            I just bring it up because I’ve been shocked by how poorly he’s played this year, given how well he handled the minor leagues.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I have too been surprised. I thought he would hit the ground running as Castro did. But ST has made some great points about how rare a rookie having success like Castro did is. For whatever reason, some of the absolute best play of his entire now 5 year career, came in this first months he was up.

            Not saying he’s significantly down. But he raked at first. I think he struggled somewhat with celebrity and having te spotlight on him. He showed some immaturity and didnt’ work hard enough in offseason on his craft. Just got by on talent alone and he struggled for 2 years because of it. IMO, I expect going into Spring Training next year, we’re going to be hearing reports of how Castro is in the best shape of his life and (as an example, something like…spent all offseason working to take more pitches, or something similar to that) lead the young guys in offseason workouts and meetings. When my wife got pregnant I was 27 years old, immature as hell and my life’s priority was getting messed up and trying to fulfill my ego’s need to score with women. But then my daughter came along, and even though I was kicking and screaming at times, I started to act more like a grown-up and began to handle my business and plan a bit more. I think that Castro having leadership thrust upon him, particularly of some guys that probably remind him a lot of himself, is bringing out the best in him. I never saw it coming, but he seems to be a great team leader and role model for the youngsters. I’m super proud of him. He’s become a man we should all be proud of…right before our eyes.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I meant to add when giving my example of Castro next season. That I think this offseason, he’ll get with Theo and the guys before they dismiss for break, and figure out where his biggest weaknesses are. Then he’ll engage some people to work with and bust his butt all offseason to return next year with those as strengths. Similarly to what Rizzo has done.

            I would love to hear that Castro is working out this winter with Omar Vizquel or Miguel Tejada or some retired successful SS that can help him improve both in the field and at the plate. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if he spent some time with Manny too. I kind of hope Manny goes to Arizona and hosts Baez, Alcantara, Soler, Castro, Olt and anyone else that wants to come and they train and work on improving for a few months in the offseason. Regardless of what we expected coming in, I think it’s hard to say that Manny’s addition and impace on the young players has been anything less than great.

          • daverj

            Bryant is elite, but there have been other players who were even more “can’t miss” … most made it in some fashion or another, but many were not superstars. Craig Jefferies comes to mind immediately.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Gregg wasn’t it? Matt Nokes sort of too, although he did play for a while, never lived up to the hype.

            Whatever happened to Ty Griffin?

            ST, you’ll love this….I shouldn’t even post it because you’re going to throw it in my face all winter, but you’ll do that anyway so here you go.

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-haugh-baez-spt-0805-20140805-column.html

          • daverj

            You are correct …. Gregg.

            I don’t think Nokes and Griffin were considered can’t miss like Bryant. I think more of guys like Jefferies, Bryce Harper, Jason Heyward, Mike Trout, JD Drew, and going much farther back, Danny Goodwin.

          • Denver Mike

            I know you hate the Cardinals, but if you’d placed that bet on Oscar Taveras pre-2013 or pre-2014 (he was the #2/#3 prospect in baseball) you’d be living on the street

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Well first of all, I would never bet on anything positve for the Cardinals :). Even if I believed it I’d just pass.

            But Taveras has only played in 49 games. One of those that makes me scratch my head if anyone thinks he’s a bust at this point. I’d agree that ST’s argument for Bogaerts makes more sense. But I really don’t think either are yet. Took Rizzo a year and a half. Although last year he did belt 23 HR. But Boegarts isn’t a HR hitter and I think for a guy with power, slamming some balls out of the park is easier to do although you’re really struggling. Boegarts has to hit and hit often. He’s a Castro type. And he has struggled. But I don’t think too many people are ready to give up on him.

            And if the Cardinals have given up on Taveras and are ready to move him for a bag of balls, I sure hope we get in line first and send them are newest and shiniest bag. IMO, Taveras will still be a star.

            But, I never heard what Billy Beane and Theo Epstein say about them both. Theo drafted Boegarts so I’m sure he likes him. But it’s not like he was with him during majority of his years in minors. To me, and some may not like or agree, but the fact Billy Beane and Theo Epstein together, but each on their own, came to the conclusion that Addison Russell is going to be a star…to me that is a Golden Ticket.

          • daverj

            Taveras is not even close to being a bust. Cards supposedly wouldn’t deal him for Price. They still love him … and they should.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Thank you sir….

          • Ripsnorter1

            DON’T BET!

            For crying out loud, watch what you say.
            You may live to regret such statements. And remember: This is your friend talking to you; not your enemy. : )

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            With friends like you eh Rip….;))))) You’re my boy, I’m younger and am lucky to have friends such as you and ST to keep me from foolish decisions. ;)

            I’m not much of a gambler. I do some scratchers from time to time but that’s about it

          • Ripsnorter1

            My wife just bent over double laughing at that post! LOL

            You’re quite the man!

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Glad to be of service there…:)

            I was going to make a crude comment about you better not go and have another baby or anything you big stud…but I’ll keep it mostly to myself.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Rip, please start following the commenting policy of the site that you have asked me to uphold. You can leave comments without all caps and follow the policy like everyone else.

          • Ripsnorter1

            If you read his post, you’d know I was screaming at the computer to save his life.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            He just did the two words for emphasis Neil. Is that against policy? I totally agree with the entire post, but every now and then we all want to emphasize a word or two. No italics or underlining so not much other way to do it.

            I’ll go read the policy…

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Capitalizing the entire post is what I meant…

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            I have been asked to uphold the commenting policy of the site. That is what I am doing.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Neil, I went back to read it over and couldn’t find the part about capitalization. And don’t get me wrong, I agree for the most part. But can we not capitalize a word or a couple of words for emphasis? And please realize, I’m not giving you a hard time. I’m just curious.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            I have been asked to uphold the commenting policy of the site. There were problems and had to implement it. I hope you and everyone understands.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider
          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Yes it is. Thank you for your understanding.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      I was actually going to post that sentence for you buddy, but you beat me to it. And he’s exactly right. Trading Castro before we know more about what the prospects will be in MLB isn’t a decision I can see our FO making. Even if they all do turn out, and you know I believe there’s a better than average chance particularly for Russell, I want to keep Castro. I’ve bought in fully on having all these SS on the field at different positions. I think we can have an insanely good defense if that’s the case.

      I don’t want to trade any of them. Castro, Baez and Russell are all great athletes. Whichever 2 don’t end up as SS will likely be Gold Glove caliber elsewhere on the field.

      • cubtex

        Exactly. These guys have to prove themselves in the majors first. Many of the Cubs prospects will not be anywhere near the hype that they have now. Corey Patterson was the #2 prospect in all of baseball, Not just the Cubs….in all of baseball. Tim Beckham was the #1 pick in the draft. It is a huge jump from AAA to the show. Huge.

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          I agree. But I don’t see how Patterson got there. Looking at his stats, I just don’t see a guy that holds up next to these guys we have now. I think sabremetrics, access to real time video and other factors in scouting have made it much more efficient today.

          And again, I don’t want to get into it all, but I believe in the guys that have assessed them. Russell has the belief of some of the most accomplished people in baseball scouting saying he’s the next big thing. It’s a good collection of legit guys, backing each other up and all in agreement.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Patterson had that great first year in Lansing. Then he plummeted. His last season in minors batted .308 OBP and .253 average! Compared to some of the guys in top 10 now? He’d be the answer to an SAT question of “which one of the following does not belong?”

          • cubtex

            He was the #2 prospect ranked in all of baseball is my point.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            No I agree. I think that scouting and projections today are light years ahead of where they were in 2000-2001.

          • cubtex

            look at Boegarts this year. “Baseball” people ranked him ahead of Russell.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I think Boegarts will be just fine. He’s got future all-star written on him. Just struggling in his first exposure. Also, the atmosphere in Boston this season is more like what Rizzo had to deal with in 2012-2013. Not real conducive for a youngster to just play ball.

          • cubtex

            Listen to that video Neil posted and hear what Gammons says about prospects. He is spot on.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Agreed…

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      I actually thought of our back and forth when I wrote that.

    • Ripsnorter1

      Just remember that the Cubs just got done dealing two established ML pitchers for a prospect SS who has never hit .285, and a prospect OF.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        I……nevermind. I’ll just say I do appreciate your devil’s advocacy Rip.

        • Ripsnorter1

          It’s the truth. The Cubs dealt two established ML pitchers for two prospects.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I know it is, but I don’t think Russell is a normal prospect. And Shark wasn’t resigning….yada, yada, yada…

  • Pat Kolp

    Russo is a joke. Does he really think the Cubs would do Degrome and Castro straight up… Really?

    • TheWrongGuy

      It is “ALL” NY media (excuse my language reference) “BS”
      My opinion.

      • Pat Kolp

        Oh it totally is. Go on the Mets message board. They think they would get Castro for literally nothing. Makes me sick lol

        • TheWrongGuy

          Oh yeah and those same NY folks can sell you a can of corn for $5 too. :)
          They want so much for too little. Both the NY teams are headed in the wrong direction. Neither team can keep an arm fresh in the rotation. T. Collins destroyed 2 arms already M. Harvey and J. Santana. Z. Wheeler and N. Syndergaard are next. Both Gm’s are having problems building bull-pens the managers have any faith in. Which in turn makes them leave their SP’s in the game too long and destroys young arms. Just my opinion and observations.

          • Pat Kolp

            Yeah. If I were to deal with the mets, I’m asking for Wheeler and Degrome and more. The Cubs have the option to be able to play all their SS in the infield. The Cubs would get a kings ransom for Castro.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Wheeler and Syndergaard is where talks would start and probably end.
            The Mets wont trade both.
            So as Gammons wrote and said They don’t match up.

          • Pat Kolp

            Exactly. So it’s funny to hear what the met fans they think they could land castro for a cheap return.

          • TheWrongGuy

            No worries.
            Theo isn’t that stupid to trade away Castro, now.
            A. Russell…. yes but for the right package…. pitching pitching, pitching!!!

          • Pat Kolp

            Yeah. I think they eventually will trade for pitching.

        • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

          I agree. The mentality of most fans is to think their prospects are far better than they are. And, the mentality of fans (including CUB fans) is to think that other teams want players on the CUB team that can’t hit and are horrible. Think about it: Why would a team want a guy that we think stinks? That’s the reason why so many of the trades “we think” should be made — can’t be made. How well players play and hit is visible and transparent. Let’s not forget that when we think our F.O. should trade our poor performing players.

          Most GMs are trying to do a trade that gives them the advantage. Trades tend to get done when both teams feel they got a fair deal. Making both sides feel like the deal is fair — is very difficult to achieve.

          • Pat Kolp

            Agreed.

          • daverj

            Well said. Most fans always try to propose trade where they package 3-4 of their home team’s “could be’s” and “maybe’s” for a quality player from the other team. I see it all the time among fellow Cub fans (as well as fans of every other team).

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Yes, he does.

      • Pat Kolp

        I just laughed when he said that.

    • daverj

      Read some of the Mets fan sites. They seem to think a deal like that would be fair.

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  • Jeffrey Rogers

    How about Olt and Lake to the Mets for 25 year old Tom Seaver?

    • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

      Makes sense to me :)

  • calicub

    Thank you! A breath of fresh air and a dose of sanity would do the world good.

    • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

      I agree. As a CUB fan for over 50 years, I can tell that you having this many great prospects in our minor league system is like sitting down at a 5 stud poker game and having the dealer deal you 3 ACES (knowing you can draw 2 more cards).

      In other words, we should “play out our hand” with our current prospects and see how the “hand turns out.” We all know that every prospect is not going to turn out. Let’s find out who has MLB talent before we trade our best prospects.

      The CUBS seem to have a far, far greater problem finding players who can consistently hit .300+ than they have finding players who can be effective starting pitchers. My vote: Let’s get some guys on the CUBS who can hit .300+ I promise you we’ll get the pitching. I thinking getting good hitters seem to be far more of a challenge. It should be our priority.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        Wow! If I could up arrow you 10 times I would Larry. You should get paid to give analysis as good as that.

        • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

          Thanks BR. You’re very kind. Fans like you and I observe the CUBS every day and every season and we start seeing the obvious (i.e. we need good hitters). Hopefully the F.O. is seeing the same thing. I’m sure that’s why they’ve drafted the best “position” players available (especially since their were no Stephen Strasburg type pitchers available).

          I have trouble remembering the last CUB who hit .300 every year? Mark Grace comes to mind. That’s why guys like CANO get paid so much money!!!

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Very true…but I think the emphasis has also been moved to OBP. But you still need guys that can hit. He never did it like Gracey, but I thought that Theriot had a chance to be a really good hitter. In 2006, his numbers were off the chart! And he just sprayed hits everywhere. We could use a guy like that really bad right now. However I think we have one, Starlin Castro, and we’ll see him in that .320-.330 range next season.

          • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

            I agree with you. But all stats look good when you can hit .300+

            Theriot had his moment. I’m looking forward to CASTRO being in the #2 position instead of #4. I’m starting to appreciate Coughlan. I wish he was a bigger base-stealing threat.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Agree there. And I know I’m in the minority but I’d prefer Rizzo in the 2 hole.

          • cubtex

            Rizzo can’t run and isn’t a great baserunner. He should be a 5,6 hitter.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I know that is the knock on him in that spot. But I think his OBP makes up for it. If he was in the 2 hole, I’d bet….wait, I’m taking Rips advice. If he was in the 2 hole, I’d imagine he could easily lead the league in runs.

          • daverj

            Agreed. Last year I thought Rizzo would ultimately be a 6 or 7 hitter on a good team. Now I can see him fitting very well in the 5 hole on a contender.

          • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

            I agree Cubtex. I don’t see Rizzo in the #2 hole. He definitely should be in the #5 or #6 spot. And of course, Castro should not be in the clean up spot either.

            But R.R. is just trying to do the best he can with what he has to work with — right now.

          • JasonPen

            Agree. 5 is his spot… Between Baez (4) and Castro (6)!

          • JasonPen

            Im not sure if Castro will ever be a .330 hitter. I’ll take .290 from him for the next 10 years…

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Maybe, but I think he can. I think he needs to be hitting at a pace like that to be the potential HOF type player and special impact guy. He’s a pure hitter. Not a lot of power, not a big on base guy. For him to reach the heights we need he’s got to hit and hit oftenz.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            And I wasn’t blowing smoke at you either buddy. I really enjoyed that post and you cut through to the heart of the matter and made some great points. I learned something from it, or at the least had something I kind of already knew made much clearer.

          • http://www.AstroDecision.com/ Larry Schwimmer

            Hey thanks. I know what you mean about certain posts being clear and to the point. Some times a post can make a good point but it tends to be verbose. I hope to be a more regular poster. So, I really want to practice the art of writing “smart, short & sweet.”

            I’ve noticed that Tony has the gift for brilliantly writing short and insightful posts.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I was a journalism major in college. And I loved it! I was always good at english and writing. I got a perfect score on my ACT in reading. But in journalism I turned in my first paper and my teacher told me, “this is entirely too long!” I was like what?! Don’t you want a minimum? He said, this isn’t engish. Say what you mean in as few words as possible. The shorter it is, the better grade you will get!

            I’m way out of practice. But I was the editor of my college newspaper for a fee semesters. I was concise and to the point, my AP stylebook always at the ready (although I didn’t usually need it because I did so much editing). Some of them are findable on Google if you search Matt Van Every + Northeastern State + It’s So
            Easy, or some similar combination. I wrote a weekly column and it was called “It’s So Easy.” Yes, I’m a huge Gn’R fan…

            My wife reposted one of my old articles on her old blog. You can find it here…

            http://donteatthechildren.wordpress.com/tag/van-every/

  • Ripsnorter1

    On Thursday Mike Fiers struck out 14 while only facing 22 batters, which was the first time that’s ever been done in MLB history.

    • paulcatanese

      Hey, Carlos Pena is on the loose, bring him back:)

      • Ripsnorter1

        I saw that. He wore out his welcome in Texas. I guess that .136 BA, with .159 OBP and .237 slugging didn’t play well in Arlington.

  • triple

    OhMy… I just watched the High Heat video that Neil linked in w/ Peter Gammons. He really put Elmer Fudd in his place. How did that guy actually get a job talking baseball on TV with Peter Gammons of all people? If he and other New Yorkers really think that any Cubs SS can be had for just 1 pitching prospect straight up, I really gotta wonder if what they are smoking… and I’m not talking about the reefer!

  • John_CC

    Gammons is one of the best. And compared to that yayhoo New Yacker … that guy is hard to listen to!

  • cubsin

    My success odds (one or more All Star appearances):
    Bryant – 95%
    Russell – 95%
    Soler – 90%
    Baez – 85%
    McKinney – 80%
    Almora – 70%
    Schwarber – 70%
    Johnson – 55%
    Tseng – 55%
    Edwards – 50%

    • gary3411

      So if you were running a sportsbook, you’d give me $500 if I put down $100 that Billy McKinney will never make an all star game?

  • jtrain23

    It’s sad that the NY media was lazy in creating this story that has snow balled a bit. Every contributor to this comment board appears to have a better grasp on the Cubs roster and the value they put on players than those originally reporting this story.
    The thought that the Cubs are going to give up the players they worked so hard to get for one pitching prospect is asinine. If the Cubs were wanting high level pitching prospects, you would’ve heard those names mentioned when guys like Samardzija were on the block. I think his team would trade for pitching, but I believe it would be for established major leaguers.

  • SirGladiator

    I think for all the talk by the writers, that the Mets GM would be smart enough to know it’ll take 2 pitchers for Castro, not one. Certainly Syndergaard is doing pretty badly in AAA so his value is lower than it used to be, so that 2nd pitcher is gonna have to be high quality. Of course we’ll also be talking deal with the Phillies during the off season, remember Philly wants Castro for Hamels. Obviously we’ll have to have more value or they’ll have to eat a ton of salary (or both) , so we’ve already got one trade partner for Castro, that means the Mets are gonna have to pony up nicely to stay in the Castro Sweepstakes!

  • JasonPen

    A Met’s blog from July that I just had to add a few comments to. I’m glad Peter Gammons agrees with me. I feel validated lol.

    http://risingapple.com/2014/07/15/javier-baez-tremendous-get-mets/