The Daily CCO: Edwin Jackson’s Role with Cubs in Question Down the Stretch

Edwin Jackson had another rough outing Thursday and according to multiple reports he could lose his spot in the rotation is in question for the remainder of the season.

The Cubs want to take a look at Dan Straily and Felix Doubront in starting roles before the season ends. Straily will be recalled from Triple-A Iowa for Saturday’s game at Citi Field to make his Cubs debut against the Mets. The Cubs said Thursday that Straily will be making only one start due to the long stretch of games the team is in the middle of before the scheduled off day on Aug. 25 … 33 games in 34 days and 21 games in a row without a day off.  Calling up Straily allows the Cubs to move Jake Arrieta, Kyle Hendricks, Tsuyoshi Wada, Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood back a day.

Felix Doubront is scheduled to make at least one more rehab start for Triple-A Iowa. Doubront made his organizational debut Tuesday and is expected to start Sunday for Iowa. Then there is Jacob Turner who shut down the same Brewers lineup for 2 1/3 innings Thursday that pounded Edwin Jackson.

After he was acquired from the Marlins, the front office said Turner would pitch out of the bullpen for the remainder of the season. But plans change and Turner looked very good Thursday. Rick Renteria admitted after Thursday’s game, “I imagine that as we move forward, the intent will be to stretch him [Jacob Turner] out.”

Rick Renteria was asked about Jackson losing starts over the final six weeks of the season due to the team wanting to take a look at other pitchers in a starting role. Renteria did not give Jackson his full support as he has all season. Renteria’s response was “not necessarily.” According to ESPN Chicago, Renteria explained, “I don’t think that’s anything that’s in the forefront of my thinking or the organization’s thinking. If something were to change we’ll let you guys know.”

Edwin Jackson realizes the front office has guys they would like to look at in the rotation and he told the beat writers, “At this point, you just have to try to worry about things you can control.” Jackson said he was thinking too much about his mechanics Thursday and he felt like he was a “robot, trying to find this, trying to find that.”

PrintRenteria brought up the pace in which Jackson works and speeding him up could help.

The front office should start limiting the innings for Jake Arrieta and Kyle Hendricks with both starters approaching career highs in innings pitched. Arrieta has completed 110 1/3 innings this season at the big league level after 20 rehab innings in May. Arrieta completed 154 2/3 innings last year between Baltimore, Chicago and the minor leagues. Hendricks pitched 166 1/3 innings combined for Double-A Tennessee and Triple-A Iowa last season and has already thrown 144 1/3 innings this year.

The Cubs could find ways to look at Dan Straily, Jacob Turner and Felix Doubront in starting roles without shutting down Arrieta and Hendricks early and still use Edwin Jackson to keep from burning out the young arms in the bullpen.

Jake Stinnett

Jake Stinnett announced on his Twitter account he has been promoted to the Boise Hawks. The Cubs second round pick in June’s draft was 0-1 in three games, two starts, for the AZL Cubs with a 7.71 ERA and a 1.93 WHIP. After two scoreless outings, Stinnett gave up four runs on six hits in two innings his last time out.

Nate Schierholtz

According to the transactions page on Cubs.com, the team has released OF Nate Schierholtz. The veteran outfielder cleared waivers earlier this week after he was designated for assignment Aug. 6.

Nate Schierholtz was not able to dig out of his early season slump and hit .192/.240/.300 with 10 doubles, three triples, six home runs and a .541 OPS in 99 games.

News and Notes

Through first 10 career games: Javier Baez: .244, 4 HR, 7 RBI, 17 strikeouts; Giancarlo Stanton: .231, HR, 8 RBI, 17 strikeouts.

Chris Coghlan is proving he belongs with the Cubs according to a report from ESPN Chicago.

Luis Valbuena wishes he could stay with the Cubs according to a report from Comcast SportsNet.

Jacob Turner became the 107th different player used by the Cubs under the Theo Epstein-Jed Hoyer administration … and Dan Straily will be No. 108 on Saturday.

The Cubs traded OF Brett Jackson to the Arizona Diamondbacks late Thursday night for RHP Blake Cooper. Arizona claimed Jackson off waivers. By trading Jackson to the Diamondbacks, the Cubs 40-man roster stands at 39 players.

This Day In Cubstory

2010 – The Cubs beat the Cardinals 9-7 despite Ryan Dempster serving up a first inning home run to Albert Pujols. Pujols became the first player in Major League history to hit 30 home runs in each of his first 10 seasons.

1981 – Cubs traded Lynn McGlothen to the White Sox for a PTBNL. The Cubs received Bob Molinaro from the White Sox on March 29, 1982 to complete the trade.

1979 – Roberto Nova, born

1964 – Mayor Richard Daley declared it “Ernie Banks Day” in Chicago and 26,000 fans cheered on Banks at Wrigley in a 5-4 loss to the Pirates.

1964 – The Phillies purchased Bobby Shantz from the Cubs

1953 – Third baseman Ransom Jackson grounded into three doubles plays in a 2-0 Cubs loss to the Braves, Jackson tied a NL record that was later broken by Joe Torre

1952 – Phil Cavarretta signed his contract to manage the Cubs in 1953.

1945 – The Cubs recorded 19 hits, two home runs by Paul Gillespie, in a 20-6 win over the Dodgers. The Cubs scored eight runs in the fourth inning after the first eight batters reached base for an out was recorded

1917 – The Cubs acquired Pete Kliduff from the Giants for Al Demaree

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  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    I’d love to see Ariettta, Hendricks, Wada, Straily, Doubront, Turner and Wood down the stretch. Larger rotation would help limit Hendricks and Arietta’s innings. But I think it’s a great sign on Arietta and Hendricks. Particular Hendricks, with 144 innings and probably on his way to 170-180. Pretty great for a guy at his age and level. It shows durability, without overworking him.

    • cubtex

      Rider- Valbuena at .233 and sinking like the Titantic :) I like my under .225 bet with you

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        Dang ST, you are right. He is so streaky. Was over .250 10 days ago.

        • cubtex

          lol. it is like clockwork with that guy. His average sinks below .200 in July and August every year :) It will be interesting to follow. I think the .225 number is a good over/under bet…but I like my side of the bet:)

          • Tony_H

            What is funny about your observation is his career stats don’t back you up.

            April 217/341
            May 229/336
            June 223/285
            July 203/267
            August 235/321
            Sept 240/311

            July is bad but August and September are his 2 best months. I wouldn’t have guess that.

          • cubtex

            look at the last 3 years when he has played much more regularly. I think 2012 he had a decent August but September was the usual .100. But it is exactly what I said the last 3 seasons.

          • cubtex

            2014
            July .195
            Aug .119
            2013
            July .190
            Aug .500 ( Wait…could it be? No…he was 1-2. lol)
            Sept .174
            2012
            July .176
            Aug .306 ( Wait…did it figure it out? Did he turn the corner?)
            Sept .190(nope same old Valbuena)

          • Tony_H

            I am amazed that you actually dug into something deeper with stats to see why the initial numbers didn’t make sense.

            Bravo! Next step wanting to break them down more :)

          • cubtex

            I like that .500 average with a 1-2 last year in August. As you can see…he folds like a tent every year at the end.

          • Tony_H

            LOL! Every year if you only count the last couple :)

            He is not a long term piece but has been a useful player during this time period and for awhile this year played very well.

          • cubtex

            last couple? I went back every year he has been with the Cubs. In 2011 he only had 44 PA all year with Cleveland. I will cheer the day he is off this team. It will mean we are closer to having “real” mlb players taking the field instead of these “platoon” roster fillers.

          • Tony_H

            That would be a couple.

            He had to do well at some point late in the season for his career numbers to show Aug and Sept as 2 of his best months.

    • John_CC

      I don’t think they will go with a 7-man rotation. It screws up too much of the routine, too much time between starts, they’d have to throw more sides in between…

      Neil’s constant call for “piggybacks” is a way better option. 4-inning limit or 55 pitches, which ever comes first for starter A, then you go with starter B. It would save the bullpen while limiting innings but keeping guys on regular rest.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        I know they won’t. But I hope each gets a start or two at least. Arietta n Hendricks with most. Hope Kyle gets 6-7 more.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Haven’t we seen enough of the 2014 Travis Wood to know that he is just as bad as the Edwin Jackson 2014 edition?

        2013 Edwin Jackson led MLB is losses. Yes, I didn’t forget that W-L records do not mean anything. LOL He ERA for which he wasn’t responsible was 4.94.

        2014 Edwin Jackson currently leads MLB in losses. His 5.74 ERA is totally not his fault.

        2014 Edwin Jackson has only the third worst road ERA in MLB at 5.70. The worst road ERA belongs to Travis Wood, at 6.11.

        2014 Edwin Jackson has the third worst home ERA in MLB. Kevin Correia has the top honors.

        Travis Wood’s home ERA is 3.72.

        • John_CC

          Ummm, OK. I don’t know that I have defended Jackson nor Wood this year.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Sorry. I meant to click on Boardrider’s post about going with a 7 man rotation to ‘test out” our starters.

            I am sick of these two starters for this year.

  • cubtex

    of course Luis Valbuena wishes he could stay with Cubs :) what other team could he get as much playing time?

    • Tony_H

      I see very few scenarios where Valbuena would not be with the Cubs at the beginning of next season.

      • cubtex

        that is comforting

        • Tony_H

          Hopefully as a utility guy, back-up 3B, 2B but if/when Bryant spends the first 3-4 weeks in Iowa and Olt doesn’t show he should get another shot, he will be the 3B until the end of April.

          • cubtex

            hopefully Bryant starts the year at 3rd next year on opening day. that is the best scenario imo with Valbuena sending his resume out to another team :)

          • Tony_H

            It is possible, but I don’t think Bryant will stick long term at 3B and the more likely possibility without Valbuena is Olt coming up in September and showing he can make enough contact to stay in the lineup and he is the Opening Day starter at 3B with Bryant in LF/RF and Soler in the other.

          • cubtex

            you know my thoughts on Olt. Can you imagine a lineup with Olt,Baez,Alcantara,Bryant all in it together? You will see a lot of Mike Fiers boxscores. They need some more contact in the lineup and either Baez or Olt has to go….and no question Baez is by far the better prospect.

          • Tony_H

            Obviously Olt would be the one and I don’t expect him long term if Russell is up by June/July next year. But he could work to start the year.

            The Cubs are going to strikeout a lot.

          • cubtex

            no doubt but they can do better than a low average high K guy like Olt at 3rd. I would rather see Bryant stick there as long as possible. He will K a lot too but not nearly as much as Olt. An infield of Bryant, Castro,Baez and Rizzo would be awesome. Castro and Rizzo aren’t huge K guys and they would balance out Bryant and Baez. They could hit 110 HR’s combined.

          • Tony_H

            I would have no problem with that infield, but when Russell comes up you are then moving Bryant to the OF anyway (barring a trade of course).

            Of course next ST will be all about if Bryant will go to Iowa or stay with the big league team, just like we had with Baez the last 2 years. This year will be Baez, Bryant and Soler.

          • SirGladiator

            I think Russell would move Castro to the OF, not Bryant. Russell is the gold glove SS, so Castro’s moving anyway, therefore why would he take Bryant’s spot, given that he doesn’t even know how to play 3rd? He would have to take a corner OF spot, which is another reason why it’s best to trade him now when his value is still that of a SS, Castro isn’t going to be a SS for much longer if he stays with the Cubs.

          • John_CC

            I don’t think so. Why move Castro to the OF? He’s a better infielder than Bryant. Jeter didn’t move for ARod! Castro is the veteran of the infield and the entire defense. It doesn’t make sense to move Castro.

          • cubtex

            wow John. We have agreed a couple of times today.

          • John_CC

            What the hell is going on around here?!?! :)

          • Tony_H

            Castro is not moving to the OF. I agree that I believe Russell will be the SS, but I still see Baez at 3B and Castro then at 2B.

          • cubtex

            are you aware that Castro leads all NL SS in hits. He is batting out of postion this year in the 4 hole and is still doing pretty dang good. Once he moves to a spot he should be at…you will see the 190 plus hits every year and the close to .300 BA. Never understood the talk to trade this guy.

          • dicepaul

            I have to agree with you on this point. While people attack his fielding nobody mentions that Castro has improved his fielding by an average of 6.5 points each year. He is only 24 and improving, we should wait till his fielding percentage has a drop before we write off his defense. I could see Castro next year with a .300 BA, 190 hits, 15-20 HR, and a fielding percentage of .981. Why would we want to lose this guy?

          • Ripsnorter1

            I bet you that Team Theo deals him away for “pitching.” I put “pitching” in quotes because it might be that they deal him for “regrets.”

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I agree with you. Not sure if he’ll go to outfield, maybe 3rd. But unless Russell packs on more weight and loses size and shiftiness, he’s the best defensive SS. And Castro isn’t Jeter. Jeter’s defensive numbers show that in his prime he was one of the all-time defensive guys. And when the game was on the line, he made the plays.

            If Russell is the best defensive SS, he will be the Cubs SS. It makes too much sense IMO.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I agree with you. Not sure if he’ll go to outfield, maybe 3rd. But unless Russell packs on more weight and loses size and shiftiness, he’s the best defensive SS. And Castro isn’t Jeter. Jeter’s defensive numbers show that in his prime he was one of the all-time defensive guys. And when the game was on the line, he made the plays.

            If Russell is the best defensive SS, he will be the Cubs SS. It makes too much sense IMO.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Why do you think Neil is reporting a few times that the CUBS have been seen scouting the Mets AAA team when Syndergaard is pitching? The Mets have also been looking for an everyday SS since they lost Jose Reyes. Syndergaard is the one top pitching prospect this year that avoided the injury bug this year. The FO has said they won’t trade S. Castro unless they are overwhelmed in an offer, and S. Castro is a leader now with the team(J. Baez & A. Alcatara are under his wing). S. Castro “is” play MLB SS and Russell has not played MLB at S. Castro’s level, not even close. Russell will be traded for pitching it’s just a wait game as to when it will happen. Maybe the Mets and maybe not.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Let’s give Olt another shot. Fair shot with regular time.

          • cubtex

            he got a very fair shot Rider. Look at the game logs. So many people think he didn’t play regularly. He did until Renteria couldn’t afford to put a .150 hitter out there anymore.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Haha, guess different definitions. To me for a rookie m, especially on like him who basically forfeited the previous season he to vision and concussion symptoms, I’d say fair is playing everyday for 3 months. I concede, he should have started at AAA, that wasn’t any good for him. But I still think his best days are ahead of him. I love what he’s doing at AAA and obviously taking some lessons from MLB and applying them. He’d not been successful at AA before. So what he’s doing now is a great sign.

            I think he will be a productive, everyday MLB player. Maybe not for te Cubs, depends on wheree they put Bryant. But he’s also a great trade chip. I imagine most GM’s and hitting coaches would love to get him into their system. He’s got tools to work with. Just needs to play consistently and be comfortable, and able to make adjustments and work in things. Tough to do playing once a week.

          • cubtex

            he wasn’t playing once a week. again. I encourage you to look at his gamelogs from April 13th till mid June. It will open your eyes. He just K’s way too much for this team. They have too many swing and miss guys already and don’t need him to add to that.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Tough to say he “K’s too much,” or anything with finality. He’s a work in progress. And I watched the games and looked at the logs. By week 2 in the season he was sitting out at least once or twice a week and it went from there.

            He’s a rookie who didn’t play a lot. And last year was playing with conditions that would keep most of us in bed with the lights off. There’s no analysis of him that is complete related to any aspect of his game.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            In that short stretch, of his abbreviated rookie year, which followed a year of playing with problems. Yes he K’d way too much. But that doesn’t mean that that stretch is who he is and will ever be. Not in the slightest.

            Just to use one example, of which there are many, in Maddux’s first two years he pitched in 36 games and had an ERA over 5. According to the logic being afforded Mike Olt, he didn’t get enough guys out and we didn’t need another pitcher on the Cubs that couldn’t get guys out. But then year 3 happened.

            Rizzo’s first month and a half of 2011 he batted .141. Nelson Cruz never batted over .235 in his first 3 seasons. Again, applying the Olt logic, both of those guys aren’t good enough players and shouldn’t be on
            the Cubs or any other competitive team.

            Things change with young players. Experience makes a big difference.

          • cubtex

            he got 66 PA in April
            79 PA in May
            38 in June
            29 in July
            and basically played everyday from April 13th thru June 4th until his lack of production caused his benching

          • Tony_H

            Not that I don’t agree with you that he got a fair chance, but those PA’s #’s show a part time player.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            First 4 games of season…start, PH, start, PH.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Next 7…start, PH, PH, start, start, PH, PH…

            Through 11 games, he had sat 6 and started 5. Regular playing time?

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Then he did start 11 in a row, but after that back to sporadic.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Don’t forget, Mr. Rider, that Renteria was giving him the best matchups possible in order to try to help him succeed.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Of course Rip! Best laid plans…;)

          • Brp921

            He wasn’t ready at the start of the season. Let’s give him another shot.

          • John_CC

            I agree with you on this one. I’d rather see a guy with great defense, contact hitter with OBP skills playing 3B, I don’t care if he only hits 12 HR, over Olt’s 2-outcome approach. This team just doesn’t need to sacrifice hitting and OBP for power anymore.

          • Tony_H

            Yes but that is Valbuena :)

          • cubtex

            now that made me laugh.

          • Tony_H

            Everything but the contact hitter.

          • cubtex

            yep. contact and hitter. doesn’t do either well :)

          • John_CC

            2 outta 3 isn’t enough in this case.

          • John_CC

            I realized that as I was typing it Luis is close, but I’m talking about a Hitter. I like Luis for the role player he is.

          • Tony_H

            But we are not going to sign someone who would fit that spec right now and get them on a 1 year deal.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            If Olt can get his average up to .240 or higher I think we can deal with the rest. If he’s at that average, he’ll hit 25 HR. Shoot, he may have hit 25 HR where he is now if he played more. Or even if he didn’t. He hit a HR like every 17 plate appearances. And it had been higher before his last month or so where he literally got off the bench once a fortnight…

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Giancarlo Stanton AB/HR=15….Olt=17. And as I said it was higher when he played at least every 4 or 5 games. Project that out and he’s at 30+ on the year.

          • John_CC

            That is one outcome. Compare their K rates, walk rates, OBP … With a .190 BA ( I’m being generous) and .200 OBP the 30 hr don’t mean much to me.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I’m not saying it makes him a viable guy in a good lineup at this point. But I also for think it deserves to not be completely overlooked in favor of things that he failed or struggle at. I would bet that most MLb coaches, if you said there was a guy that hit at a 30 HR pace while starting about 40% of games in his rookie season, following a year in which he had just returned from a concussion thy cause him to have dizziness an blurrd vision for 12 months. However he also struck out at a 1/4 pace. Most coaches would say they were pretty intrigued and would love a chance to work with him.

            It’s one of those Cubs fans things where we completely weight and put impact on the negative. While writig off and totally overlooking the positive.

            Add in thy after a midseason demotion he went to AAA and absolutely raked, while continuing to strike out. And coaches and management would say they would like to see if he would be available in a trade.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            But fans on CCO would probably disagree and say he belongs at Kroger sacking groceries. Absolutely nothing to build on.

          • Ripsnorter1

            None of those guys make enough contact.

            And why did you leave Lake out? You slighted him.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      Not for long…. But I think he wants to be a part of this. Probably willing to be super sub. Could do well on that role.

  • John G

    Things have been pretty quiet on the Rusney Castillo front lately. Is there anything to report? Even if it is an unfounded Bruce Miles rumor. There is a report in the Detroit Free Press that the Tigers will outbid everyone.

    • cubtex
      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        What’s your verdict on him ST? Sign or no?

    • BigJonLilJon

      Nothing regarding a signing. A report I read yesterday on mlbtraderumors.com said he would be going to who ever the highest bidder was though.