CCO Fantasy Baseball League – Week 16

An extended week and we still had four relatively close games as many games were decided well before the weekend. This week our closest games were 21, 36, 47 and 48 points. I highlighted three games before the week started and they finished within 36, 48 and 64 points. Compared to a 204-point margin and many games around 100-plus, those were close.

Ten wins is where the playoffs are at with five 10-6 teams tied for the last spot in the playoffs. Three teams sit two games back at 8-8. The separation is real now with seven teams that are three games or more back. With just five weeks left in the regular season we are in the stretch run for the playoff berths. We also have five teams that have been officially eliminated from the playoffs.

The trade deadline is just 11 days away. Trades must be accepted by Friday August 8at 11:00am CDT.  We will discuss trade rules in the off-season (along with any other aspect that can improve our league and make it more realistic), but any trades that are made between two teams that are still trying to and have a chance to make the playoffs should be approved unless the two teams are working together to give one team a better shot. Since we are not doing keepers, any team that is eliminated will not be allowed to make a trade (Waveland: Team Gramps and Team Scared Hitless. Sheffield: Baywatch Buttspanx, Balls Deep in the Ivy and Slammin Steven Petty).

 

Hatfield’s and McCoy’s

PrintWe have had 6 weeks of interleague play. This week the Hatfield’s (Waveland) pulled out another weekly victory 7-3.  That leaves the bragging rights with the Hatfield’s (Waveland) with a record 35-25 over the McCoy’s (Sheffield) and a weekly record of 4-0-2.

#1 Kentucky Ripsnorters (12-4) 399 over #18 Balls Deep in the Ivy (3-13) 301

Easy 98 point victory, but we will have a new #1 next week.

Kentucky Ripsnorters: Ryan Braun 40 pts (3 HR, 2 2B, 5 R, 9 RBI, SB)

Balls Deep in the Ivy: Carlos Gomez 34 pts (HR, 3B, 2B, 7 R, 5 RBI, 2 SB)

#2 The Calicubs (12-4) 486 over #20 Team Scared Hitless (1-15) 282

Crusin in Sunny California!!  Calicubs is our new #1 seed!

The Calicubs: Melky Cabrera 47 pts (HR, 7 2B, 8 R, 8 RBI)

Team Scared Hitless: Steve Cishek 56 pts (6 Saves, 7 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1BB, 10 K)

#3 07 Greydigger’s Crushers (12-4) 601 over #15 CubfaninSeattle John (6-10) 463

Greydigger’s Crushers is securing his playoff spot with a convincing win.

07 Greydigger’s Crushers: Corey Kluber 66 pts (17.2 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 20 K, W) Madison Bumgarner 54 pts (14 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 13 K, 2 W) Tyson Ross 53 pts (13 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 17 K, 2 W)

CubfaninSeattle: Felix Hernandez 50 pts (14 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 19 K)

#4 Clark n Addison Tony_H (12-4) 484 over #6 Runnin Bredstiks (10-6) 436

One of the closer games of the week came down to the weekend starting pitchers.

Clark n Addison Tony_H: David Price 61 pts (16 IP, 12 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 19 K, 2 W) Clayton Kershaw 53 pts (16 IP, 9 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 15 K, W)

Runnin Bredstiks: Austin Jackson 47 pts (HR, 3B, 5 2B, 8 R, 8 RBI, SB)

#5 FL JimBoC (11-5) 454 over #17 Team Gramps (4-12) 433

The closest match-up of the week came down to just 21 points win for JimBoC.

FL JimBoC: Jered Weaver 41 pts (14 IP, 12 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 14 K, W)

Team Gramps: Chris Sale 60 pts (15 IP, 12 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 20 K, 2 W)

#9 Northside Bleacher Bums (10-6) 111 over #7 BigJonLilJon’s LehairOfTheDog (10-6) 373

Huge match-up this week as the winner moved into the Top 8, while the loser fell out.

BigJonLilJon’s LehairOfTheDog: Jose Bautista 48 pts (3 HR, 4 2B, 9 R, 7 RBI, SB)

Northside Bleacher Bums: Jon Lester 47 pts (14 IP, 10 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 15 K, W)

#8 Bullpen MacGyvers (10-6) 480 over #11 The Wrong Team (8-8) 456

Another close game that MacGyvers won by outscoring The Wrong Team by 51 pts on Sunday.

Bullpen MacGyvers: Doug Fister 40 pts (12.2 IP, 12 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 9 K, 2 W)

The Wrong Team: Marcus Stroman 59 pts (14 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 12 K, 2 W) Tanner Roark 50 pts (14 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 11 K, 2 W)

#10 Aguas de Marco Billy (10-6) 507 over #16 Baywatch Buttspanx (5-11) 337

Aguas de Marco with an easy victory this week keeping pace for the playoffs and doing it with a hitter leading the week with 71 points!

Aguas de Marco Billy: Carlos Santana 71 pts (6 HR, 4 2B, 9 R, 13 RBI, and SB) Cole Hamels 61 pts (15 IP, 10 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 19 K, 2 W)

Baywatch Buttspanx: Jacob deGrom 49 pts (13.1 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 11 K, 2 W)

#12 What’s Optimism? Vivid Reality (8-8) 473 over #19 Slammin Steven Petty (2-14) 360

What’s Optimism? Vivid Reality: Brandon McCarthy 46 pts (12 IP, 10 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 14 K, 2 W)

Slammin Steven Petty: David Ortiz 46 pts (5 HR, 3 2B, 6 R, 12 RBI)

#14 Waiting on Bryant (8-8) 430 over#13 Team JasonOfTheBurbs (7-9) 383

Both teams need to win out to have any chance at the playoffs.

Team JasonOfTheBurbs: Ben Zobrist 33 pts (2 HR, 6 R, 5 RBI, SB)

Waiting on Bryant: Wei-Yin Chen 40 pts (13 IP, 10 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 2 W) Jeff Samardzija 40 pts (15 IP, 11 H, 5 ER, 1 BB, 10 K, W)

Top Player Performances - Week 16

Player
Points
Team
Carlos Santana71Aquas de Marco Billy
Corey Kluber6607Greydigger's Crushers
Cole Hamels61Aquas de Marco Billy
David Price61Clark n Addison Tony_H
Chris Sale60Team Gramps
Current Playoff Match-ups

Bleacher Bums IN – LehairOfTheDog OUT

CCO Fantasy Baseball League Playoffs

  • #1 Kentucky Ripsnorters vs #8 Northside Bleacher Bums
  • #2 The Calicubs vs #7 Bullpen MacGyvers
  • #3 07 Greydigger’s Crushers vs #6 Runnin’ Bredstiks
  • #4 FL JimBoC vs #5 Clark n Addison Tony_H

CCO Fantasy Baseball League Standings

Sheffield Division - Week 16 Standings

Record
Team
Points
12-4The Calicubs5358
11-5FLJimBoC5199
10-6Runnin Bredstiks5004
10-6BigJonLilJon's LehairOfTheDog4790
10-6Bullpen MacGyvers4796
7-9Team JasonOfTheBurbs4685
6-10CubsFaninSeattle John4637
5-11Baywatch Buttspanx4470
3-13Balls Deep in The Ivy3944
2-14Slammin Steven Petty3697

Waveland Division - Week 16 Standings

Record
Team
Points
12-4Kentucky Ripsnorters5323
12-407Greydigger's Crushers5292
11-5Clark n Addison Tony_H5298
10-6Northside Bleacher Bums4646
10-6Aquas de Marco Billy4703
8-8The Wrong Team4600
8-8What's Optimism? Vivid Reality4915
8-8Waiting on Bryant4622
4-12Team Gramps4419
1-15Team Scared Hitless3200
Transactions

The transaction wire stayed slow, down this double week with 41 free agent pick-ups. Even with some call-ups getting added, the waiver wire is still tough to find players that can help teams out. Players with ties to Cubs, Ryan Sweeney, Marwin Gonzalez and Kyle Hendricks were added

Notes

Weeks 10 and 20 are the same match-up.
Weeks 11 and 21 are the same match-up.

So in weeks 10 and 21 we will be doing a position round. 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, etc down to 19 vs 20.

The league is for public viewing. Here are two shortcuts to take you to the league site on ESPN.

Game recaps include top scorer from each team and any other players who score 30+ points.

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  • Tony_H

    This week’s big games.

    #1 Calicubs (12-4) vs #11 The Wrong Team (8-8)
    Not quite must win for the Wrong Team, but pretty close.

    #3 07Greydigger’s Crushers vs #10 BigJonLilJon’s LehairOfTheDog (10-6)
    Big Jon needs to keep pace with the 5 teams tied for the last 3 playoff spots.

    #4 FL JimBoC (11-5) vs #8 Northside Bleacher Bums
    Bleacher Bums are new to the Top 8, needs to beat the #4 seed to stay in.

    #5 Clark n Addison Tony_H (11-5) vs #7 Bullpen MacGyvers (10-6)
    Winner gets a step closer to the playoffs, loser is in battle for the 8th spot.

    #6 Runnin’ Bredstiks (10-6) vs #12 Waiting on Bryant
    Must win for Bryant while Bredstiks needs a win to hold on to the playoffs.

  • BigJonLilJon

    I do not like to stir a pot, but some of the trades I’ve seen lately seem one sided. Don’t have it all in front of me, but there is one up for vote now between a under 500 team and a playoff team. The playoff team is getting over 600 points and giving back 300 or so??? The last few trades I’ve seen are similar in point value differential. I will vote based on what I think is right, not because of whom it involves. Currently there are 14 playoff eligible teams. Some better chances than others, but still. That’s why we have a voting system on trades…. for all members of the league to offer there thoughts and opinions.
    Just my 2 cents worth……

    • calicub

      100% agree and the reason I’ve voted to veto them.

      • BigJonLilJon

        Thank you…. as did I. But to veto a trade takes 6.. lol

        • Tony_H

          Actually only 4, but it should take closer to half.

          Total points are not the only way to judge a trade.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Wow… didn’t mean to start a mess. As I stated above.. It is one of the many factors I look at when evaluating. And if its my vote, its also my decision on what to base that vote???

          • TheWrongGuy

            In my trade I was trying to out bid another trying to make the same trade as me. So I went over the top to finalize the trade. I went over the top by adding Koji.

          • Tony_H

            That is the part that is hard for “other” teams to know and understand. I have always said that I don’t like to speculate trades in MLB and that is because they are just so hard to do. Even fantasy trades are so hard especially when one is in more need than the others judging what is right and wrong.

            Not sure what the right answer should be.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Well if you limit the SP to 6 and 7GS’s per week it will lower the value of SP’s. <— will make bats more expensive.
            If you limit the rosters' to 21 or 20 players then it "might" come out more even with bats. <—- will "maybe" even out the cost of SP and bats.
            Though with a smaller roster then you might want to expand to 60-70 acquisitions per year due to smaller roster and injuries, with large league.
            Maybe with the voting on trades when a team is eliminated from playoffs remove them from voting?
            Just my opinion, and this is my 1st year of Fantasy Baseball.

          • Tony_H

            I would rather expand the rosters than make them smaller and reduce the number of transactions than increase them.

            Bats and arms are really hard to even out. You make an adjustment and then the other side is more dominant and it swings too far the other way.

          • Cubbiemacg

            Don’t forget that over 25 really pitchers went on the long dl this year that easily one more per roster I think the rosters are perfect

          • TheWrongGuy

            I lost 2 SP at the start of the season to the long DL( Jarrod Parker & J. Johnson). I understand the pain. yet there are 2 sides to the coin, as bats also go on the DL. I also saw this this season(B. Harper). It only my opinion and nothing more.
            I guess i was thinking with a more restrictive roster other teams can become more competitive.

    • Cubbiemacg

      Some of you hold your total points too close its about what they are doing now not on the year

      • BigJonLilJon

        I understand and appreciate your opinion. And I do look at that as well. And I have mine. My opinion will be the one I base my vote on. After all… it is my vote???

      • calicub

        Total points is one indicator, but so is ownage percentage and points per game average. That is partially how i evaluate.

        • Tony_H

          I like ownership % and pts per game over total points.

          • Cubbiemacg

            Agreed

          • BigJonLilJon

            pts per game I look at…. ownership somewhat. Its tough to look at ownership when It comes to SP and RP. Such a deep league

          • Tony_H

            I think RP’s are a dime a dozen. But SP’s, you can very well look at ownership %.

          • BigJonLilJon

            SP’s????? for the top tier guys. But being uch a large league… we have a lot of SP’s on staffs that aren’t in 10% of ESPN’s total leagues

          • Tony_H

            And they shouldn’t hold much value in a trade.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Not always true in a league of 20 teams and 7 SP’s

          • Tony_H

            Agreed, but that is where much comes into play. If you really need a SP, you will pay much more for a 10% guy than I would. That is why trades are hard to judge from the outside looking in.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Agreed. And just another way to look at determining trade value.

          • Tony_H

            50th SP – 73.8%
            100th SP – 13.5%
            150th SP – 0%

            20 teams x 7 SP’s is just too many. This is why I think we should go to 6 or even 5 next year with 20 teams.

          • Tony_H

            Also why I feel so lucky to have 6 SP’s over 61% ownership and my 7th is 21.7%. All from draft day.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Seems to have been a draft strategy that has worked well for you. Well done!!!

          • Tony_H

            Good strategy with lots of luck!

          • Cubbiemacg

            I wish I could have drafted my team. I only have like 5 players from my original team. Auto Draft was awful

          • Tony_H

            I don’t think I have seen auto draft ever work, unless you spend an awful lot of time doing all of the pre-ranking, down to, in this league the Top 500 players.

          • Cubbiemacg

            Yeah I didn’t do that

          • Tony_H

            Who would! Way, way too much work.

          • Tony_H

            I am going to breakdown most teams before we get into the off-season, but thought I would look at yours quickly.

            You still have 5 position players that you drafted and 2 SP’s. You also have 6 players you traded drafted players to get back players who almost all were drafted, but by the time of trades were worth wile players.

            That is 13 of your 22 players on your roster.

            When doing this same thing with my roster (including trades), I have 15 of the 22 players via draft or trades. (8 Pitchers and 7 position players)

          • BigJonLilJon

            Luck is good!! Just like my golf game. Can be good, bad or lucky

          • calicub

            For one glorious week, before Dallas Kuechel parially imploded and wacha went on the DL, I had 7 SP and 3 RP all at 100% ownage. It was so awesome!

          • Tony_H

            That’s impressive. You should have posted a screen shot of that!

          • Tony_H

            Also had to be fairly early. With so many smaller leagues, even good pitchers seem to go down in ownership percentage.

        • Cubbiemacg

          Yeah I like to look at those and time missed as well

      • Cubbiemacg

        With that said I have lots of pitching depth to make some trades (Hahn, McHugh, Locke, Skaggs, Nelson) looking for quality sp , 2b, ss, 1b. I can part with a 1b and an outfielder that has a 3.0 point game avg to even it deals (lf, cf, rf)

        • Tony_H

          I have tried to find a trade with you, but can’t seem to ever make it work. But I will keep trying until the deadline.

    • Tony_H

      I don’t believe trades should be vetoed if both teams are still in it AND it the two teams are not working together to make one team better (hard to prove).

      Just wait until we add keepers.

      I just did a trade in a keeper league where I am getting Freddie Freeman and trading Ryan Zimmerman and Joey Votto. No traditional way to look at it.

      • BigJonLilJon

        Keeper league is sooooo different. Again… only 6 teams out of the playoffs mathematically right now. So it can be said the rest are still in it or you could look at it as some are still in it mathematically but not really still in it.
        And you are so correct regarding collusion. Hard to prove. All the more reason I shall vote my opinion based on what I see in front of me.

        • Tony_H

          I am sure no one can say that Jason is going to do me any favors.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Agreed. And I didn’t say he did. I simply was trying to point out 2 things.
            1 – Some of the trades I’ve seen look lop sided.
            2 – I believe I should be allowed to vote my opinion and not be told to approve a trade regardless as to whom they are between.

          • Tony_H

            Agreed. I made a mistake not laying out trade vetos (what should qualify for a veto) before the year AND making it more than 4. I am not going to change rules mid-season or overrule any veto.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Agreed. Not right to change mid season. But again – and maybe I’m just dense, I don’t think it would be right to make a rule on what should qualify for a veto. Maybe I vote against a trade only because it helps the team I am tied with for a playoff spot(hypothetically). Why would I approve a trade that hurts me? I just think we vote based on what we define as yes or no. This is America tight??

          • Tony_H

            Think if MLB teams could veto trades because it benefits their opponents?

            Not saying a rule on veto, but more guidelines. I personally don’t believe you can veto just because. If that happens, it snowballs and no trades ever get through, because no one wants anyone else to trade if they can’t.

          • BigJonLilJon

            No they don’t veto a trade. But they do to up the ante with a better offer. Obviously we can’t do that in fantasy due to not knowing until after the deal is done. And there are less leaked news from anonymous sources in fantasy.

          • Tony_H

            Maybe we need a twitter feed for fantasy to leak possible trades news to up the ante.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Was that sarcasm?? lol

          • BigJonLilJon

            Isn’t that how a good deal of the lower level(especially) political voting goes? I wont vote for this town manager just because….. insert reason here.

        • BillyFinT

          Can’t agree, I never vetoed in this league.

      • BillyFinT

        Which was a brilliant trade for both sides, btw.

        • Tony_H

          Thanks! I was going to ask you what you thought. I started by asking for Goldschmidt and he replied, not sure I would do this deal for Freeman. So I replied, let’s find out!!

          Votto and Freeman are about even for next year, but Zimmerman having LF eligibility make makes him very hard to give up. But I am in Win Now mode!

          I am half tempted to dangle Harvey, just to see what the offers would be.

          • BillyFinT

            Don’t trade me, I don’t care about Harvey. LOL

            Yes, and your trade-partner was eying for 2015, which I hope for the best. But Freeman has a longer value as a keeper, so it’s really win-win.

            I’m in win-now mode as well, as you can see. That thought didn’t occur to me four weeks ago, when my best shot was #4, and I thought the #1 and #2 (your Clark & A.) are way on the top. I don’t know about it now. How a long season can change many things, amazing!

          • Tony_H

            I need to find another team that is coming back that would want Harvey and be willing to pay appropriately. His keeper cost will be reasonable, so I will need a lot to trade him. Obviously risk involved as he may not be the same dominant pitcher he was in 2012.

          • BillyFinT

            That’s the same thing I thought about Max Scherzer, whom I owned in 2012 and ’11. Nobody wanted him back then, while I kept him. I wanted some change, so I didn’t keep him last year, and guess what happened?

    • Tony_H

      Also, I know I got fleeced, but not sure you should call it one sided!

    • BillyFinT

      I don’t think so. Every manager here has a distorted sense of justice by overpricing his own players.

  • Cubbiemacg

    The trades aren’t always about total points is about avg points per game in the car of my trade

    • BigJonLilJon

      They normally work hand in hand… at least the majority of the time. I cant remember which way I voted on yours. I think of the past 3 or 4 I voted to approve 1 for the reasons I stated.

      • Cubbiemacg

        Certain players are call ups or spent significant dl time so total points really don’t mean much . There are a ton of pitchers who have more points than fister but not too many come close to trade value

  • Vivid_Reality

    I am assuming my trade is under fire as well.

    The point total was 773 to 567 in favor of the team I traded too. This however does not tell the whole story. I needed to upgrade at catcher and had a surplus of back end starters without sexy names. No one wanted Chris Young because of the associations that go with him even though he was putting up points. He is currently the 38th best starting pitcher in a league where the top 100 should be starting. You’d think he’d carry more value? Nope.

    “Garrett Jones doesn’t do anything for me…Zobrist more valuable than that. But I will do an overachieving Chris Young for an overachieving Chris Coghlin.”

    That is the value of a top 50 starter, a reserve outfielder.

    I dealt from my surplus and upgraded my weakest hitting position. Did I overpay in points? Sure. But it takes two teams willing to give up players and not everyone likes to give up their name brand players. If anyone has an issue with this trade or the way I conducted it can address it here.

    • Tony_H

      Well said!

    • BigJonLilJon

      Cant remember the details so I wont comment. I simply stated some trades have looked lop sided from a playoff and a probable non playoff team. And that I believe each team owner be allowed to vote there opinions and not be told what to base vote on.

      • Vivid_Reality

        Chris Young, Henderson Alvarez, and Alex Avila for Logan Forsythe, Travis Wood, and Salvador Perez.

        • BigJonLilJon

          My memory just isn’t what it used to be. I know I voted to approve one of the recent ones, just cant remember which one.
          If any one had an issue with the trade, I’m guessing they utilized there voting rights to do so though.

  • Tony_H

    Trades are so hard to get 2 teams to agree on. That when 2 teams that are trying to improve their roster agree, I think they should go through. The hard part is knowing that they are trying to improve their roster.

    • BillyFinT

      I never had a trade this season in CCO League.

  • BigJonLilJon

    If anyone needs a RF, I have Jose Bautista available for the right package. Start with SP and I will listen

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  • BillyFinT

    I wouldn’t say this is an easy victory. It took me almost 40 moves, replaced nearly 40 players, to get to this point. This was THE gem victory of this season, the trophy of hard-earned management, from my p.o.v.

  • BillyFinT

    One advice to a CCO League manager: stop lowballing my players. I own them not because of any reasons you mentioned in your replies (most of them far from truth from my analysis), but all the reasons you failed to mention.

    I appreciate the counter-proposals, but to be honest, I’ve heard from you too many times, and they always repeat this attitude of raging and criticizing my players. I proposed accordingly with equal value as I saw it.

    We can work on it and continue the counter-s, but I doubt you should write more. They are not helping your cause, and make you sound like an ass.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Billy, I do not know what you are referring to and from the way I understand it there is a message board for you guys to discuss certain things about the league. Please refrain from using the language you did on the site. I agreed to the league as a way for the readers to have fun this season, not to create more issues between the posters.

      Please send the comments and issues you have directly to that person.

      Thank you.

      • BillyFinT

        Feel free to delete this message and the one above, Neil. Now I think about it, I didn’t bring up any of the first trade proposal to this fellow prolific writer-manager. So you know why I’m not too happy about his counter-proposals after my counter-proposals throughout those trades, nope, I wasn’t the initiator.

    • Tony_H

      I agree with Neil, this has no place on here. The topic and the language is inappropriate for this site.

    • Cubbiemacg

      When you think that trumbo is better than Longoria and that hector Santiago compares to doug fister than yeah everyone here would laugh at that. Not sure What calculations your reading but it’s not me that sounds like the ass. At least when I propose a trade I try to let both sides get something . Good luck falling short of the playoffs

      • Tony_H

        This type of conversation and language has no place on the CCO. No one knew who he was talking about until you replied.