Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Red Sox – 06/30/14

Game Eighty-One – Cubs (34-46) vs. Red Sox (38-44)

  • Game Time – 6:05pm CDT
  • Coverage – TV: Comcast SportsNet – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channels 179, 844
  • Location – Fenway Park, Boston

Jake Arrieta (4-1, 2.05/1.11/2.10) vs. Jake Peavy (1-6, 4.93/1.46/4.93)

It’s the mid-point of the 2014 season for the Cubs and after a rare Sunday away from the baseball diamond, the Cubs return to the field tonight for the first of three in Boston against the defending World Series Champions.

The Cubs begin a very difficult three-city road trip tonight in Boston. After the series with the Red Sox and an off-day on Thursday, the Cubs will spend the Fourth of July weekend in the Nation’s Capital with the Nationals then wrap-up the trip with five games in four days in the Queen City. The Cubs have only 14 games left before the All-Star break.

After dropping the last two games of the 10-game homestand (4-6), the Cubs begin play tonight with a 14-13 record in June. If the Cubs are able to win the first game in Boston, the Cubs will post a winning record in a month other than July for the first time under the current regime.

Theo Epstein is not making the trip with the Cubs to Boston this time around. Epstein has family matters to attend to. Jed Hoyer will be with the Cubs on the trip. The last time the Cubs played in Boston, Mike Quade’s team dropped two of three and Marlon Byrd was beaned. Sean Marshall picked up the only win that weekend and both Doug Davis and James Russell left Boston with an extra loss on their records.

Rick Renteria has not said which player will assume the DH role over the next three games. The Cubs will lose one of their best hitters Wednesday night when Travis Wood is not allowed to hit. Renteria should use these three games as a way to have Mike Olt see playing time on consecutive days.

The Cubs are 15-26 on the road this year and 2-6 against the Junior Circuit in Interleague Play.

After tonight’s match-up of Jake Arrieta and Jake Peavy, Edwin Jackson is scheduled to face Clay Buchholz Tuesday night. Travis Wood and Brandon Workman square off in the finale Wednesday night.

The match-up of the Two Jakes all starts with Jake Arrieta …

Jake Arrieta is coming off his fourth excellent outing in a row. Arrieta took a perfect game into the seventh inning against the high-powered Reds offense and showed once again how good he can be when he throws strikes. Arrieta left after seven innings and giving up two runs on three hits without a walk and nine strikeouts. Arrieta has walked only two batters over his last four starts.

Arrieta has been one of the best in the game over his last five outings. Arrieta is 3-0 with a 1.14 ERA and a 0.79 WHIP. Arrieta has given up 20 hits with five walks and 38 strikeouts in his last 31 2/3 innings. Arrieta makes his seventh road start of the season tonight and is 3-1 in the first six with a 2.65 ERA and a 1.21 WHIP. And he will face a big challenge tonight in Fenway Park.

PrintJake Arrieta is very familiar with the Red Sox from his days in Baltimore and he has not beaten the Sox in five tries. Arrieta has struggled to the tune of a 0-2 record in six games, five starts, with a 5.90 ERA and a 1.59 WHIP. Fenway Park has been an even bigger challenge for Arrieta where he is 0-1 in three games, two starts, with a 7.15 ERA and a 1.76 WHIP. Arrieta has walked more batters (9) than he’s struck out (5) in 11 1/3 innings in Boston.

Red Sox Career Numbers against Jake Arrieta

The Cubs will face an old foe tonight in Jake Peavy. The former Southsider and Friar has dominated the Cubs throughout his career. Peavy has had a rough season to this point but he’s always been at the top of his game when he’s faced the Cubs. And that does not figure to change tonight.

Peavy is coming off a horrible start in Seattle in which he gave up seven runs on eight hits with two walks and three strikeouts in five innings. This entire season has been a struggle for Peavy but he has delivered a good start from time to time. After going winless in May (0-2 in six starts with a 5.89 ERA and a 1.53 WHIP), Peavy is 0-4 in his last five starts with a 5.87 ERA and a 1.47 WHIP. For as bad, at times, as Peavy has been, Fenway Park has been kind to him this season. In eight starts at Fenway, Peavy is 0-2 with a 3.91 ERA and a 1.46 WHIP.

Jake Peavy makes the 15th start of his career tonight against the Cubs. Peavy is 7-4 in the first 14 with a 2.76 ERA and a 1.19 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Jake Peavy

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Tonight’s lineup:

    Coghlan LF
    Sweeney DH
    Rizzo 1B
    Castro SS
    Valbuena 3B
    Castillo C
    Schierholtz RF
    Lake CF
    Barney 2B

    Arrieta P

    • John_CC

      Sad state when the DH is 2 hole hitting Sweeney.

      • Tony_H

        Better than a 7 or 8 hole. Most NL teams don’t have a DH bat like the AL teams do. It is what is unfair about the NL not having the DH all the time.

      • Tony_H

        Better than a 7 or 8 hole. Most NL teams don’t have a DH bat like the AL teams do. It is what is unfair about the NL not having the DH all the time.

        • Denver Mike

          I get what you’re saying, but Sweeney is an 8 hole hitter, he’s just masquerading as a #2 in this lineup. :)

          • Tony_H

            So true!

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          I want the DH in NL bad…hope it comes in next few years. Maybe guy replacing Bud will do it to make a quick impact under his tenure.

          This lineup feels like the JV squad facing the seniors, when I see Big Papi or Pedroia at the plate, and we counter with Coughlan/Sweeney/Schierholz/Barney.

          • Tony_H

            Keep in mind the World Series Champs are only 3 games ahead of us.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            weak farm system?

          • Tony_H

            No, very strong farm system, down years from vets.

      • Denver Mike

        Read my mind

      • Denver Mike

        Read my mind

      • GaryLeeT

        They only way the Cubs could make th DH work for them is if they let Wood do it.

    • John_CC

      Sad state when the DH is 2 hole hitting Sweeney.

    • Patrick_Schaefer

      I’m guessing they are hoping Sweeney, Schierholtz, and Coghlan start hitting so they can get rid of them.

    • Patrick_Schaefer

      I’m guessing they are hoping Sweeney, Schierholtz, and Coghlan start hitting so they can get rid of them.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        Schierholtz is a decent player. I’d be interested to see him hitting 7 or 8 in a deeper lineup where he wasn’t depended in as much. And he plays surprisingly good defense.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    McLeod withdrew his name from the GM job in San Diego. I will have more up later tonight.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    McLeod withdrew his name from the GM job in San Diego. I will have more up later tonight.

    • Denver Mike

      Speaks to how much the FO believes in what they are doing. Right or wrong, like it or not, these guys are 100% invested in this, and while I may not agree with every move or how long it is taking I have to respect them for that.

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    Wish I could watch Arietta tonight! I hope he pitches well again. But I keep thinking he’s going to come out one of these nights and be a little off. Not regressing but just off. He’s been basically spotless of late and everyone has an off night now and again.

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    Wish I could watch Arietta tonight! I hope he pitches well again. But I keep thinking he’s going to come out one of these nights and be a little off. Not regressing but just off. He’s been basically spotless of late and everyone has an off night now and again.

  • Sonate

    I’m becoming more convinced that Junior Lake is a poor man’s Glennallen Hill.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      yeah…he was much better last year. maybe the league just figured him out.

      • daverj

        His underlying skill stats were not good last year. He got lucky and a lot of ball in play landed for hits. I still think he will be a quality utility guy at the major league level, but he is not (and should not be) a starting outfielder.

    • Patrick_Schaefer

      I like Lake the League made adjustments to him but he hasn’t made adjustments. I still think he’s got tons of potential. I think his floor is a 4th OF/bench bat on a good team. It’s always good to have a guy with power and speed off the bench.

      • daverj

        I actually think his ceiling (not his floor) is a utility player on a good team. His floor is a career in AAA.

  • GaryLeeT

    I almost find myself wanting the Cubs to make 3 quick outs so I can watch Jake pitch again.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      I can’t watch it but the stats look awesome. Is Jake lighting it up?

      • Tony_H

        Yes

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          Man he is a stud. That trade could end up being even bigger than Marshall. Some of the smaller trades may not be liked. And obviously the trade with the Rockies didn’t work out. But more often than not we get the big ones right.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Rizzo for example.

          • daverj

            I think the trade with the Rockies is a push long term. Colvin and Stewart were not any good, but even LeMahieu is not a long term big league starter on a good team.

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    Cubs looking to help out my CCO fantasy team tomorrow by starting EJax against my boy Clay. Thanks Ricky!

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    I saw Peavy get knocked around at Fenway on Opening night this year. His time has passed…hopefully Rizzo and Castro can make something happen.

  • Patrick_Schaefer

    I’m really hoping Schierholtz, Ruggiano, Sweeney and or Coghlan get hot so someone will take them off our hands.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      got your wish… (fingers crossed)

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    With every week that passes by, Castillo seems more and more like another Barrett/Soto than a long-term solid C option for us. Glad we drafted a few, and really hope Schwarber might be able to stick at C, but we also may get one back in a trade soon.

    (although Castillo just mocked me by hitting that foul ball on top of the awning of a shop behind the Green Monster bleachers as a tease)

  • Tony_H

    Lake showing some power….the wrong kind though.

    • RynoTiger

      It’s nice to see he was upset with himself..hopefully he keeps breaking a bat over one of his body parts each time he strikes out until he realize he has to make adjustments and if that doesn’t help, then hopefully one of his teammates will come out, grab the bat out of his hands, and break it over one of his body parts. If need be, I’ll send out Neil to also break a bat over Lake.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Schierholtz with No. 4 … a 2-run shot

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    man oh man…how did I ever drop this guy from my fantasy CCO team? He was so bad in that first start or two.

    I was too impatient Jake…forgive me, and come back!

    • Tony_H

      I might need to do an award for which player scores the most points that was dropped. I had Lonnie Chisenhall who has 209 points.

      • JasonOfTheBurbs

        maybe Trade That Haunts You and Drop That Haunts You.

      • JasonOfTheBurbs

        funny thing is, when I was really pissed right after Arrieta’s horrible start, I literally offered him in trade to at least 7-8 guys in our league. (can’t remember if you were one of them)

        Everyone turned me down, and may be kicking themselves now. So another award might be trade you rejected that you shouldn’t have. If I don’t win the league, I think I at least have a good chance winning some of these types of awards.

        • Tony_H

          How can you have no optimism for the Cubs, yet optimism for your fantasy team? IF you don’t win the league…..LOL!

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            I am top 4-5 in every offensive category when you view the standings. But I also lead in walks issued. My pitchers have greatly underperformed, but my 1-7 should all end the year pretty solid. My worst guy is top off-season FA P Ubaldo Jimenez. I also have had the 3rd most points scored against me…so a bit of bad luck and bad timing too.

            So with my fantasy team, I am waiting for players to come back to their norms. With the Cubs, I am expecting the retreads to play to their norms. But I am big fan of the upside of the kids, until they prove you wrong over time (Olt, Lake, etc)

          • Tony_H

            Now take off the Team JasonOfTheBurbs goggles.

            I better beat you next week or there will be no hearing the end of it :)

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            When…you lose next week, you can just blame it on bad roster management if that is more palatable. :)

          • Tony_H

            LOL! Except for Chisenhall, I have no regrets on my roster management. I have had all 7 of my SP’s all year. Most of my roster moves have been for bench and bullpen spots.

          • Tony_H

            I did look it up. You are 3rd in BB. I am 1st.

            12th HR’s
            9th RBI’s
            6th 2B’s
            5th 1B’s
            5th R’s
            18th in SB’s (I’m 19th)

            But you lead in 3B’s!

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            tied for 5th in 2Bs.
            And, again, I checked it yesterday…before this week’s averages kicked in. My pitchers did well this past week and carried my hitters for a change.

          • Tony_H

            No problem man, just love to hear you talk optimistic.

          • Tony_H

            Also, the 9th most points scored against you. Man those Team JasonOfTheBurb goggles are strong :)

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            I checked yesterday. So before I faced the “gimme” win on the schedule, it was a rough go.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Am right with you on offensive category’s. I think I lead in runs and RBI’s also. My pitching is just mediocre at best

  • GaryLeeT

    Arrieta got screwed on that first pitch to Napoli. Even MLB Gameday is showing it a clear strike, which it never does.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      at least he isn’t batting or running the bases this game, to break his no-no momentum which happened in his last start.

      • GaryLeeT

        Almost as bad, is Peavy working at the speed of tortoise. Castillo got caught looking to end the 6th, because he was asleep.

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          Ironically one of the reasons I dropped Arrieta early on was because he seemed really really slow on the mound, to the point where it wasn’t fun watching the game. He has noticeably sped up in his last several starts. Unless I am just imagining all that.

  • SAonate

    Jake got screwed by the ump 2x on the same batter!!! Bogaerts.

  • GaryLeeT

    Go ahead and hate me, but I hope Arrieta gives up a hit soon. A perfect game is one thing, but I just don’t think it will be worth extending Jake to the 135 pitches it will take to finish the game.

    • Tony_H

      I don’t think they will let him go that far, perfect game or not.

    • Tony_H

      One walk so far.

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    102 pitches. Starts the 8th for sure, but unless Red Sox are idiots and all hit grounders on 1st pitch, his pitch count will be iffy for 9th.

    Especially when you consider he started this year late due to injury concerns.
    So now the guessing game starts…what will Ricky do??

    • Tony_H

      It is a tough call. I say 120-125, but that’s about it.

    • BigJonLilJon

      He hopes the first batter gets a hit so that the decision is made for him!

  • BigJonLilJon

    Best game for Peavy in a while. He put up a quality start but had bad timing.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      have you seen our lineup, outside of Rizzo and Castro?

      • BigJonLilJon

        True. I almost forgot to take that into consideration.

    • GaryLeeT

      I think the Cub offense helped out plenty.

  • GaryLeeT

    Doing the wave at Fenway!!!!! I will never be able to hold that park in reverence ever again.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Luis with a deep fly out to right to end the eighth

  • Tony_H

    Great outing by Arrieta…..again!

    • BigJonLilJon

      Agreed. Even the fans recognizing his performance

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    its always the scrappy guy to break up the no-hitter. like Eddie Milner and Chuck Rainey. Blah. Nice outing by Jake!

  • Tony_H

    Who says this isn’t fun to watch?

  • CerranoReadyNow

    Jake Arrieta has been Ace like this month. Chris Bosio thank you.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    What an outing from Arrieta … and what a moment for him to walk off to a stonding ovation at Fenway Park

  • Tony_H

    That has to be Strop’s most efficient outing. Ever.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      he probably didn’t understand why everyone was walking off the field so quickly after he got there.

  • VBCubs

    Next weekend in DC I have the choice of picking to see Shark or Arrieta pitch, and I’m not exactly who I wanna see. It could be the last time I see Shark as a Cub, but Arrieta has been on fire lately and I wanna see him as well.

    • Tony_H

      Arrieta! He is must see TV.

    • BigJonLilJon

      I’d go Arrieta. Shark has been dead to me for weeks!!

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      Arietta is unreal. He’s the buzz of baseball right now…

      • VBCubs

        It’s looking like I’m gonna do that

    • John_CC

      Not even a question at this point.

      I have to wonder if Jeff is considering what it would be like stay and pitch with Jake…and pitching behind him in the rotation.

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    Jimbo’s timely waiver claim of Arrieta paying off to the tune of 32-37 points tonight, helping him keep the onslaught from Rip at bay.

    • Tony_H

      That should be a good game all week to follow.

      • JasonOfTheBurbs

        he should get a 2nd Arrieta start, I imagine.

        • Tony_H

          Arrieta is a 2 start pitcher this week. I have on my other 2 teams.

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    Arietta flirts witha no-no two games in a row! Who ever doubted him!

    JK, I know there was reason to doubt. I liked what I had read about him so I alwasy believed. Plus our FO wanted him which to me was the ultimate endorsement. I’m a believer in these guys as everyone knows.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      When the Cubs win the WS, there will be a giant balloon of your CCO photo in the parade. If there is karma in the universe, there has to be.

    • John_CC

      I think, I hope you are being facitous, because everyone except maybe you had counts!

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        Absolutely in kidding a bit. But I did always have high hopes for him. I said all offseason he could turn into a TOR guy.

        Didn’t necessarily expect this so fast. But with Bosio I shouldn’t be surprised. He gets guys on track straight up.

        And I did have confidence because our FO traded for him. IMO, their team is the best talent evaluators in the league. They invented the system that everyone else now uses. And all the best guys are fiercely loyal to Theo and Hoyer. If they are working then their guys are working with them. From what I read, they are wonderful, empowering bosses. Who don’t micromanage an give guys freedom. The team working for the Cubs is the best in the biz. So when they give up assets to get a guy I give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially a younger guy that has never reached potential. Some of te scrap heap pick ups haven’t worked out. But for the most part when they give to get, it’s with a purpose an they’ve done their homework. Nobody analyzes every aspect like our team in the FO and their minions.

  • Tony_H

    Lake is pretty lost tonight.

    • No Baseball In Indiana

      Tonight…good one.

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    AJ just immediately complained to 1st base coach about the 1st pitch called strike, right after he got his hit. Guy cracks me up. Wonder if Cubs couldn’t have brought him in as lefty veteran option to Castillo. That way we can have both Barrett and AJ at the Cubs Convention at same time.

    • Tony_H

      No thanks, can’t stand the guy.

    • Tony_H

      Did you see AJ throw his hands up to try and knock the ball down?

      • Tony_H

        On the double play.

      • JasonOfTheBurbs

        its like Rodman…you can’t stand him, unless he is on your team.

        • Tony_H

          Agreed. But still don’t want the guy to ever play for the Cubs.

  • Tony_H

    Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

  • GaryLeeT

    A.J. throwing his hands up while sliding into 2nd, trying to deflect a throw from Castro. He is the consummate ass.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs beat the Red Sox 2-0 on Monday night … Jake Arrieta: 0R, 1H, 1BB, 10K, 7.2 IP (120 pitches, 75 strikes)

    Nate Schierholtz: 2-4, 2B, HR, 2RBI; Starlin Castro: 1-3, BB;
    Welington Castillo: 0-3, BB, R

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Jake Arrieta, Pedro Strop and Hector Rondon combine on a
    2-hit shutout, Cubs finish June with a 15-13 record, first winning month of the
    season

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      14-13 last July…only winning month in 2013.
      15-10 in July in 2012…only winning month.
      16-13 in Aug in 2011…only winning month.

      If we bring some talent up, we may get first multiple-winning-month season in 4 years.

      • BillyFinT

        That’s if and only if Hoyer & Co. won’t trade away all their performing pitchers. It sucks to be a rebuilding team!

        • John_CC

          I’ll miss Hammel, but that’s about it.

          Arrieta
          Wood
          Beeler
          Hendricks
          Rusin

          Alright, I guess miss Jeffs inconsistent mullet too, but only a little.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            Wada may be an option too. Not a long-term prospect, but pitching good in minors and could keep dropoff from Hammel leaving to a minimum.

          • John_CC

            Forgot about Wada. And though its too late for this year, Grimm and or Ramirez could be stretched out and start next year.

            If Arrieta can stay on top of his control…they are one legit Ace from a really solid rotation. Hell, they’ve been solid this year but replace Jeff with a real ace and
            1 Ace
            2 Arrieta
            3 Wood
            4/5 Grimm/Beeler/Ramirez/Hendricks

            Ace is better than Jeff, Arrieta better than Hammel, Wood =Wood, anyone is better than Jackson and presto!

          • BillyFinT

            Woody and Arrieta will hopefully stay.

            “Hope is a good thing, Red.” — Shawshank Redemption.

            Chicago and Houston are two of America’s Top Five metros. These are dream places to create money out of machines.

            Yet for many years already, the owners of baseball clubs there sell proven Major League pitchers away in the middle of a season, as if they are always short of dough.

            Kind of sad, won’t you say? I wonder when will the Cubs redeem itself, start keeping real pitchers?

          • Tony_H

            When they have them under contract and they aren’t 32 years old.

          • BillyFinT

            The Ricketts can afford a #2 or an ace after the pitcher is 32 years old. Premium talent (“name players”) means premium price. It’s how baseball economy works. You don’t want to pay? Then you must settle for less.

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          we don’t have top pitching talent to replace Samardzija or Hammel, but we have options that should perform at near #3 or #4 starter level hopefully.

          If we improve the offense with Alcantara (which eliminates Barney), maybe Kalish (eliminates Coghlan), Boni returns, helping Valbuena/Olt to platoon at 3B.

          Not sure who we replace Schierholtz with, but I will take Ruggiano over Nate.

          The big hole is C, unless Castillo can stay healthy and rebound. A team constructed like the above won’t set the world on fire, but could flirt with .500, which is more than they did after selling off Garza last year.

          • BillyFinT

            You can put up with a team that plays the #3 and #4, here and there, on its entire rotation, through the remaining half of this season. I won’t.

            Four years into the rebuilding phase, and the Ricketts had not shown me any deeds as respectable. I appreciate Epstein’s Grand Plan, living on limited resources. On the other hand, I rather the owner start putting together a Major League team for this generation, by pumping in the dough, keeping proven and first-rate, the Major League-proven players. I don’t want to see all the great position prospects called up, then found themselves with no one to back up or look up to.

          • Tony_H

            Who that we have traded away do you wish we still had and with the contract they were asking for or received?

          • BillyFinT

            If I’m the decision maker for this year, then I wouldn’t trade any of the top 3 pitchers on the Cubs staff: Shark, Hammel, and Wood. I’ve said this before and won’t mind again: I would sign them to a long-deal for the Cubs; it’s rare to find talents like that if the team wants to compete for the near future; I expect the Cubs to improve every year.

          • Tony_H

            You didn’t answer the question.

            But in reply to what you did say. Hammel has already said that he will be checking in with the Cubs in the off-season and that he knows they will be interested. Wood is under control and doesn’t need a deal. Samardzija will only be gone this year if we get a very good return.

          • BillyFinT

            I answered your question. Or was it a trick question?

          • Tony_H

            No you didn’t. I asked who that we HAVE TRADED AWAY do you wish we still had and with the contract they received or were asking?

            You answered what you would do with the guys we have now. Of which the only one that is going to be traded is Hammel in the next month for sure.

          • BillyFinT

            I thought you mean what to be traded away. Anyway, those traded are none of my concern. I’m more interested at what’s going on now, and in the future, for the long term.

            The Ricketts may run a team of a premium market in a respectable way, or not. Their choice.

          • Tony_H

            No, I was responding to you saying you wanted them to keep proven first rate players and I was wondering which ones they didn’t.

            The Ricketts have been cleaning up the mess that was left by decades of neglect and are running a 1st class organization. You can’t fix everything all at once and they have fixed an awful lot already.

          • BillyFinT

            Bravo. No, they didn’t trade away anyone I would keep for a long term. Garza et Ol’Demp were first-rate, supposedly franchise-players. No, I’m not sure who’s next.

            If Shark traded, then I have a claim to say, “Told you so!” Pitching is 1/3 of the game. I rather they keep him towards the end, whenever that be.

            And to him, whether bye or not, with a promise: We’ll win very soon, because we play for Chicago, with you or without!

          • Tony_H

            Garza and Dempster were, but neither looked good after the trade or the next season.

            Shark looks good now (well not as good lately), but this one is different, if he won’t sign a contract they will have to trade him. Losing him for just a comp pick at this point in the rebuild would be the least possible return.

          • BillyFinT

            I concur. I don’t like this idea. The owner needs to spend more to win more, if he wants to show that he cares.

          • Tony_H

            In other words, Dempster, Maholm, Garza, Soriano, etc.