Renteria Meets with the Team, Samardzija Speaks Out and Other Cubs News

Rick Renteria met with his team following Friday’s game. Renteria was not happy with what he saw on the field and labeled the way the Cubs played as “a little sloppy.”

According to a report from Bruce Levine, Renteria was “upset with what he thought was not the best approach to Friday’s game by his club.” Renteria spoke with the team reportedly for “an extra 10 minutes after the game” before addressing the media. Renteria said Jeff Samardzija kept the Cubs in the game, but he thought his team lacked focus. According to ESPN Chicago, “Renteria hammered on the team coming in with a better approach and stronger focus.”

Luis Valbuena told Bruce Levine “the team today looked a little down.”

The front office is frustrated by the sloppy play on the field. Jed Hoyer said during his weekly spot on the Kap & Haugh Show (87.7 The Game) on Friday morning, “No one wants to watch sloppy baseball.” Hoyer admitted they’ve been trying to get the team to play clean baseball for the last two-plus years, but they have not been able to yet.

Jeff Samardzija

Jeff Samardzija’s days with the Cubs are numbered and depending on the report and the reporter, Jeff Samardzija could be dealt any day now or at least by July 31. Samardzija is not going to sign a long term extension to stay with the Cubs based on comments in a report from Comcast SportsNet.

Samardzija was asked, “Given the way teams keep locking up young players with long-term extensions, do you feel a responsibility inside the union?”

“Without a doubt. I’ve said it before: Personally, numbers and money don’t really drive me. What drives me is protecting and setting up the players behind me, the future generations, so that I’m not signing any of these crummy early deals for seven or eight years. When you’re hitting you prime and you’re hitting free agency – like it’s supposed to be done – then that’s the way it sets up for guys behind you. I definitely have a responsibility to the players that are younger than me and approaching arbitration or approaching free agency to keep the numbers where they should be. And rising as they should be, in accordance to the economy and state of the game. That’s more important than anything else – what you owe the players that did it for you and then the players behind you.”

Mark Gonzales stated his case on why he thinks the Cubs should sign Samardzija to an extension. The number one pitcher on the Cubs’ staff does not have the wear and tear on his arm that most 29-year olds have, plus he “has accepted a bigger role” on the team. Samardzija has shown improvement on the field with consistent starts in each of the last seven times he’s taken the hill.

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer are on record saying they feel Samardzija’s best days are ahead of him. But the two sides are not going to negotiate a contract during the season, at least that’s what has been said publicly, so if that is the case the front office will have to maximize the return on the biggest trade chip they have left.

Jeff Samardzija posted his fourth quality start of the season on Friday and seventh straight quality start dating back to last season according to Bruce Miles. Samardzija’s last win came on August 24 in San Diego and he has allowed 11 earned runs in his last seven starts after surrendering six runs on eight hits to the Reds on Sept. 11.

Jake Arrieta

Jake Arrieta threw a side session at Wrigley Field on Friday so pitching coach Chris Bosio could gauge his progress. Arrieta is supposed to make one more rehab start before being activated from the DL. Arrieta’s outing with the I-Cubs should be on Monday and if all goes well he could come of the disabled list at some point next weekend while the team is in Milwaukee (April 25-27).

Jeff Hoffman

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer were at East Carolina University’s game on Thursday night to get a look at RHP Jeff Hoffman. The 6-foot-4, 192-pound right hander pitched eight shutout innings and struck out a career high 16 batters in a 1-0 victory over Middle Tennessee. Hoffman picked up at least one strikeout in each of his eight innings and retired 10 of the last 11 batters he faced.

Hoffman throws a mid-90s fastball that has hit 98 mph on the gun with what has been described as good life. Hoffman features a power 12-6 curveball and a mid-to-upper 80s change-up “with fade and dive.”

Jed Hoyer spoke about the upcoming draft and watching Hoffman pitch on Friday morning during his weekly spot on David Kaplan’s show (Kap & Haugh Show, 87.7 The Game). Hoyer said when drafting a pitcher, and if everything is equal, it is better to take a College arm than a high school pitcher. The preference would be to select a pitcher that is closer to the big leagues, plus a College pitcher has been healthier three years longer than a high schooler. There is more of an injury risk with a high school pitcher. And there is more data on a College pitcher where a team does not know how a high school pitcher will hold up to the additional workload of professional baseball.

News and Notes

Former Cubs hurler Casey Coleman signed a minor league contract with the Kansas City Royals.

According to Jon Paul Morosi, the Cubs are tied with the Tigers for the second most stolen bases allowed this season (17), one fewer than the Diamondbacks (18). The Cubs allowed the Reds to steal five bases on Friday, with only one coming from Billy Hamilton.

Bruce Miles posted a reminder the Cubs 4-11 start to the season matches the 2012 team and is one worse than last year’s 5-10 start after 15 games.

According to a report from Patrick Mooney, C.C. Sabathia was interested in signing with the Cubs after the 2008 season and his agent spoke with the Cubs.

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  • Vivid_Reality

    I’ve tried to support Shark in my mind but at this point he needs to go. I have lost a lot of respect for him.

    “Personally, numbers and money don’t really drive me. What drives me is
    protecting and setting up the players behind me, the future generations,
    so that I’m not signing any of these crummy early deals for seven or
    eight years.”

    What a bunch of bs. No one is holding a gun to the players signing team friendly extensions. It is the players decision if they want to sign. Its not always about the money. Having relative job security and being located in one place for a while are huge benefits. Not to mention the deals are all guaranteed and it essentially sets them up for life if they are smart with their money. Blow out your elbow and end your career? Good thing you signed that guaranteed deal and you’re still a multi-millionaire.

    Grrrrrrrr, it drives me mad. I really believed shark was going to be a successful pitcher. I always though that we would regret trading him but it was necessary if he wouldn’t sign a reasonable extension. Players like him sicken me. “It’s not about the money” when it clearly is. Why don’t you go out and prove yourself to be a top of the rotation arm before spouting your mouth off to the media every chance you get. Get him out of here Thoyer.

    /rant

    • Brp921

      I think the crummy contract remark probably has earned him a ticket out of town.

      • triple

        Yeah… I really would like to hear what Castro and Rizzo think about his comments about crummy contracts like the ones they signed.

    • Tony_H

      I don’t get Samardzija’s position on this. Obviously he feels he is already set for life after making almost $23M so far that he can risk getting hurt and turning down a guaranteed $50, $60M for the chance to get to FA. But I don’t get thought process of doing it for the next guys and complaining about what other guys have done, guys like Rizzo and Castro in his own clubhouse. I mean both Rizzo and Castro have guaranteed contracts for more than Samardzija has made, a lot more. But if Samardzija wants to risk that he will not get hurt, that is his call as well. But don’t tell us it it for the next guys and knock your own teammates, just call it your ego needing to cash in big, on his one opportunity to do so.

      • cubtex

        I think he is saying everything he can to get him traded ASAP. He wants out of this losing atmosphere and is forcing the issue.

        • Tony_H

          I think that has been drilled into him by his agent and a union rep and shows why the Cubs have not been able to extend him, as that has been his teams thought process.

          • cubtex

            He doesn’t want to be here. It is obvious to me. Did you see his reactions yesterday when Lake let that Billy Hamilton fly fall? When Bonifacio threw that DP ball away? Losing sucks and this is the problem with what Theo is doing on the mlb level

          • GaryLeeT

            I agree. Samardzija’s statement had union speak written all over it.

        • Swish23

          I agree. He’s sick of playing for a team that is losing on purpose. He’s pitched great this year; team has scored; what 6 runs in his starts combined?? He does not want to wait for this team to be good; and no one in the FO or ownership will say when that is; so if he pisses off someone in the FO; maybe that moves him out of chicago faster. Plus he might be sick of hearing his name mentioned in trade talks; either trade him or sign him; it makes the FO look bad they cannot decide. Just one more homegrown SP; like cashner that will get traded. not sure what the plan is; it’s definitely not about pitching nor is it about keeping JH home grown pitching. the more I see; the more this team has no plans to spend monies or attempt to WIN a world series till 2020; after the new combined tv contract is signed; after the revovations are done if they start this fall; after the ricketts are allowed to paydown and restructure the worst sports franchise purchase agreement in sports history; after they get minority partners to cough up a few hundred million; after, after, after, wait till next year; I’ve heard it all in 40 years; just not quite to this extent.
          P.S. If jed wants the team to not play sloppy; don’t give your 2nd mgr; like the 1st one just 2 short years ago; sloppy players.
          “garbage in=garbage out”.

          • cubtex

            well said Suzy. We talked about IF with EJax. How many players did Theo give Renteria that didn’t have an IF in front of it. IF Olt is healthy and can see. IF Ruggiano IF Sweeney IF Schierholtz. IF Baney. Only Castro had a track record of success in the mlb but he took a step backwards. You need to give the young guys veterans to show them the ropes. Looking at the minor leagues and how far some of the prospects are away and how many holes this team needs to fill. 2020 might be accurate. I used to think it could be 2017 but that might be the 1st year they could see .500

          • Tony_H

            That wasn’t Suzy, not even close.

          • cubtex

            hmm. my computer said it was Suzy. maybe I have the same computer that Theo is looking at for players :)

          • Tony_H

            Disqus repeats names if you don’t refresh every so often. Swish is completely opposite of Suzy!

        • Larry Schwimmer

          Cubtex: You make a great point. Shark is clearly disgusted. And, I don’t blame him. If I were him, I’d want to play on a competitive team — not spend the next 18 months on a losing team. (I just wish he wouldn’t insult my intelligence by saying that it’s not about the money :)

          I have a message to Shark: Just keep on pitching great and keep running your mouth…and hopefully Theo can get a deal done sooner rather than later.

      • mutantbeast

        If Spellcheck thinks hes getting Clayton Kershaw $ hes on drugs. Maybe at best he might get Anibal Sanchez type $.

        • Eugene Debs

          Expecting Kershaw money is not reasonable but neither is expecting a Kershaw-like package in return for the player you are trying to trade. Neither Theo nor Shark have a realistic grasp of his value. So, the only way to solve it is Free Agency. Then, when 29 other teams offer more money than Jedi Hoyerstein and his penny pinching owner, we will know his value.

          • Tony_H

            He will be traded and teams will pay up at some point, most likely, this year June/July. He will not end up being lost to FA for a comp pick.

          • Eugene Debs

            I hope you are right. Others have pointed out that Jeff’s harsh comments were seen as a way to speed that trade along.

            When he is traded, he may still reach free agency unless he goes to a team that sees eye-to-eye with him on his value.

            I get the sense that other teams realize how tough of a sign he will be on top of the huge package the front-office is hoping for. That is why teams would rather sign Ervin Santana when injuries hit.

            Hopefully, someone gets jumpy and makes a move with us.

            Of course, the entire league has figured out the “flip our way to a championship roster in 2018″ plan and refuse to play along quite like we would like them to.

          • Tony_H

            I don’t think other teams care what the Cubs are doing, only care if they can make a deal that they feel benefits their team. If a team is in a win now at all cost, they will trade for Samardzija and pay the price. Short sighted teams with GM’s near the end of their contract or on the hot seat are the best target teams.

            If Samardzija was cut today and was a FA, there would be huge demand for him.

          • Eugene Debs

            I hear front office folks talking about what the Cubs are doing on many occasions. They know that the Cubs are looking to fleece some sort of “market inefficiency.” The market inefficiency that they assumed (teams will overpay for pending free agents on the trade block and surrender minor league talent while wasting draft picks by signing free agents) has started to erode. Teams are wising up. So, we need to find a new “market inefficiency” (we tried international signings which hopefully yield some good players; we tried the whole “guys get over Tommy John surgery quicker” route; we signed burned out former top prospects) or pay for better players.

            And as far as if he is cut today, OF COURSE there would be a demand. To get Jeff for nothing is the sort of pipe dream WE HAVE, not other teams.

          • Tony_H

            I don’t know about you, but 5 years $60-$70M is a whole lot of nothing.

          • Eugene Debs

            Yeah, but we’re regular dudes. It’s a valid point, but doesn’t 7 years $100 million sound better?

            The only threat of course is injury, which you did mention as a risk. We’ve all seen strong arms crap out in one pitch, but that’s the risk/reward for team and player.

          • Tony_H

            If his arm falls off, he will regret not taking that crummy early deal for only $60M.

      • Eugene Debs

        He knows that the Cubs only offer team friendly deals. He wants a Shark friendly deal. Makes sense. All of this “I want to stay” stuff is to make his next year or so more enjoyable and free of accusations of being greedy and anti-Cub. He’s saying “good teammate” stuff while knowing his future is not in Chicago. Surely he also knows that 90% of the roster does not have a future in Chicago. He is simply trying to make the best of his situation while being stuck on a very bad team.

        • Tony_H

          Not sure that you can say they only offer team friendly deals. They offered Samardzija a very fair deal, just not a deal that acts like he was a free agent with 2 years of arbitration left. Samardzija wants to be paid like a free agent now.

          • Eugene Debs

            The Cubs have one player on an “above market” contract right now. The Cubs do not offer “no trade clauses.” I would call that team friendly.

          • Tony_H

            That is because they are not using FA to fill the team. Above market usually only comes from FA. While players are under control, the deal should be team friendly for giving the security of a guaranteed contract.

          • Eugene Debs

            That is EXACTLY what Jeff is saying. He wants a Shark friendly deal, not a team friendly one. He is willing to wait.

          • Tony_H

            To get that he needs to be a FA and hope that it is an off-season where teams overpay. This off-season would not have worked as well. See Santana, Garza, etc.

          • Eugene Debs

            He’s better than those two.

          • Tony_H

            He has more potential, not sure he is better. Then again, their careers were always based on the potential to turn into TOR pitchers as well.

          • Eugene Debs

            Good point. They are actually a bit more similar than I gave you credit for.

          • Tony_H

            Honestly, after you said that, I started thinking they are lot closer as well. I just said those 2 because of the contracts they signed were well below what each thought they would get.

          • cubtex

            they are not using mlb players to fill the team either

          • Tony_H

            Rizzo, Bonifacio, Castro, Castillo are all MLB players, that are half of the starting lineup. Schierholtz is a platoon OF of MLB caliber. Then you have the young guys and the rest of the roster is roster fillers and marginal MLB players. This isn’t a revelation.

          • cubtex

            Bonifacio couldn’t make the Royals. Castillo has a long way to go to be determined a mlb starting catcher. Schierholtz in a mlb platoon. So they really have 2 players that should play everyday. Brutal roster management

          • Tony_H

            Castillo almost won a Gold Glove last year and is a MLB starting caliber catcher.

            Bonifacio is what he is, but his performance this year is well above starter level.

          • cubtex

            use your eyes dude and look at how he frames pitches. A vet like Garza didn’t want any part of him catching games for him. There is a reason for that.

          • Tony_H

            He has work to do, not even Yadier Molina hasn’t improved from his younger years. I haven’t changed my thought process on catchers, turn them over. We need a young catcher by next year to back up Castillo, so that they can trade Castillo off when he gets to year 5 range, then his backup will be ready to take over and then bring up another one. Unless we find a Yadier or Buster.

          • cubtex

            did you see that stat that Castillo is the worst catcher in baseball at framing pitches? How many runners has he thrown out this year? He is an inconsistent hitter who will flash occasional power but doesn’t hit with RISP

          • Tony_H

            He has a canon for an arm, and as you know most stolen bases are off of the pitcher.

            He should bat in the 8 hole.

          • cubtex

            obviously it is not all about arm strength.

          • Eugene Debs

            He looks a little fat this year.

          • Eugene Debs

            What you just described is the Montreal Expos.

          • Tony_H

            When do they play……oh yeah they are now the World Series contender Washington Nationals with their young home grown team.

          • Eugene Debs

            And it all started with the Werth signing, when they signaled to other teams they meant business. Players noticed. Other teams noticed.

            They drafted well, they spent money, they kept their better talent. They did not sign Ryan Sweeney. They got rid of Edwin Jackson.

          • Tony_H

            Yes they did, just not when they were ready to win. The Cubs will have their own Werth signing, most likely after 2015.

          • cubtex

            we did. EJAX! LOL

          • Eugene Debs

            Sigh.

          • Tony_H

            No, once again, you know that was because SP was a hole in the system and they needed an innings eaters. It hasn’t worked out as many FA signings don’t.

          • cubtex

            think about this for a second. In 3 years now that Theo has been in charge…he has added 1 mlb everyday player that the team has in their long range plans. How bad is that? 1 player in Rizzo in 3 years?

          • Tony_H

            Built it from A ball level, not from AAA level.

          • cubtex

            and that is supposed to make it better? or more difficult? How did he build it from A ball? Losing games for draft picks? Trading every mlb player for prospects while ignoring the mlb team. Is that supposed to be impressive?

          • Tony_H

            No more or less impressive than any other teams plans.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            The thing is Theo and company aren’t going anywhere. I’m frustrated too but I read th crap people say and it pushes me back in Theo’s and the Cubs camp. If you hate it all so much it really is time to consider a new team. This is the plan for the foreseeable future. Sticking around and spewing negativity all day has got to be old for you (and others) and certainly is old for us. Seriously, fans support…it’s that simple. Decide.

          • cubtex

            So if you are unhappy with certain aspects of an organization you should bail? If you don’t like how your job is….you quit? If you don’t like all the decisions our president is making for our country…..you move to a different country? I am surprised you are a guy who would encourage a fan to take the easy way out in life. Seriously dude. You can support all you want but you shouldn’t spew this crap about finding a new team. I have been a Cub fan for a lot longer than you have!

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            You just hop on and look or any post that you can reply critically too. That’s not support. Fans should support their team. You hate everything they’re doing, well it’s not going to change. There is a light at the end of the tunnel so focus on that. We’ve been down for 100 years and u act like all the sudden when decisions are being made that will very soon position us for success it’s at an all time worst. I’ve been a fan since I can remember. I’m sure you have been too. But your not acting like one. If you want a team that guys upfree agents and whatnot that isn’t this team. Never ha been and it’s not sustainable in the view of current leadership. They are tryin to buold a tram capable f winning a title and when tey got here the cupboard was a mess. You’ve been a patient Cubs fan for 40 years but all the sudden now because they’re not managing things exactly as you would like you no longer support the club. You don’t have to be the eternal optimist like some of us or wheat rose colored glasses. But support your team man. Our attitudes have an impact in my opinion. This club has been flooded with angst and negativity for 50 years and it takes a toll. If your a fan show support. You can still disagree with particular moves but if everything about the team you despise are you really still a fan? I think its a fair question.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I mean if you don’t like the players, don’t like the coaches, don’t like the owner, don’t like the front office. What do you like? The logo? That doesn’t make a fan.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Maybe I am completely off base. It’s just my opinion that its a fair question. You’re a smart dude Ray. Probably smarter than me so help me understand.

          • cubtex

            And that is your opinion. Does it make it right? Do I tell you that you should follow a different sport when u post how Ruggiano will hit .280 25 or 90. Or Valbuena hitting 20 HR’s. Or how all these people would walk thru the gates of hell for Theo. I smile and move on. I suggest you do the same. I don’t tell you how delusional you are and get off that cloud you are on and come back to earth. A fan is not just a blind follower who gets kicked in the face and turns the other cheek. Be a fan like you want to be…..but don’t try and tell another how they should think or act. You say I an not acting like a fan. I say you are more of a cause to the problem than fans like me. Why would the Cubs ever have to win with fans like you? As long as Theo is in charge you wil wait however long it takes. 5 years. 10 years. Never

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Whatever you need to tell yourself. Cherry pick two predictions. I did’t realize Ruggianos age. I have take that back. I still think Valbuena could hit 20 but I hope Olt plays enough he doesn’t getthe chance. Your attitude is the problem. You hate the Cubs. The truth is finally out. You’re a troll from the Cardinals website unmasked. Just as I always suspected.

          • cubtex

            Go ahead and get defensive. Think how you want. I am not telling you how all fans should act. Cherry pick? Ok Olt Rookie of year. Kalish Rookie of year. Hendricks like Maddux. You get my point. There’s a lot to choose from. Go ahead and believe that, I really don’t care but that doesn’t make you more of a Cub fan. Have a great Easter but you are out of line.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I don’t measure my level of fan hood against anyone. It’s not really necessary for any of us.

            But I do apologize for my comment. I let my emotion get the best of me. I just grow tired of all the reinforcing negativity. I live in a sea of Cardinal fans and I have to hear it from them on a daily basis. I have always felt a kinship in this site because it’s filled with people that love te Cubs. It gets old reading all the comments that say exactly the same stuff I hear in person.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            An I do think Kalish or Olt could win ROY if they got to play everyday. Neither will ever get it going at their current play schedule. And who is to say Hendricks isn’t the next Maddux? I’ve never said he is. But he pitches similarly. He has great potential and I’m very supportive of him, and hopeful for his future success.

          • cubtex

            I am not as patient as you Rider. I apologize too. I really do enjoy reading your posts. I have already lost interest in following the Cubs and it is only April 19th and I hate the FO for doing that to me again. I know you agree with everything they are doing but I don’t. It doesn’t have to be this slow and painful IMO.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            To be honest Ray I am too losing interest, and I also hate it. I keep expedition us to go on a winning streak and show some fire. I had hope after te second week of the season, but the doubleheader shutout in NY really got me down. At least let Olt, Kalish and Lake play everyday. I’d be more content to watch losses with those three in the lineup. I am holding out hope that more improvemyn will happen soon but I think it will come from the youngsters. I hate it for Rizzo and Emilio too. As well as they have played I think sooner or later if others don’t strt producing they will start to slide more. Tough to keep playing great when you’re te only ones and you get on base and dot get driven in or get hits with nobody else on base. I hope Bryant or Baez or someone forces the issue from the minors soon. That will help too. I really could stomach te losing if it was all young players with potential. But if Rick insists in playing Valbuena and Sweeney, etc it better be because they are contributing to victories. Otherwise, why not let the kids scrape their knees and learn the hard way but at least progress?

            I don’t agree with all Theo does. I would have sold out for Tanaka for one. I do hope we get a return for Shark while we can. He wants out, we’d be better served with a minors stud or two who can be a rookie next season. By the end if last season I was barely watching or postig and I hope it doesn’t get to that. I hold on to the hope that the minors guys are coming soon and Rizzo is becoming the middle of the order bat we can build around. He seems to be and if we surrounded him with some other hitters we’d be a lot better off.

            I did like the Rizzo trade at the time. I wanted him and had lost faith in Cash. It’s now looking like Cash could be a stud and that hurts but again, at the time I liked the move. And I believe Rizzo is poised to be our best player for years ahead.

            This offseason will be where this FO shows me what they’re made of. We need to sign a pitcher or two. Even if we have to overpay a bit. And I think they will. I think this is the offseason they will view a FA addition as a missin piece instead of a lone desperate act.

            I do like posting here with all you guys. I do tire of the threads where it’s negative reply after negative reply. But the frustration is understood. Thanks for your comment too Eugene.

          • Eugene Debs

            You guys are both great! Don’t go anywhere!
            Fandom means different things but at the end of the day we would all toast a hearty “hell yeah” if the Cubs won it all.

          • Swish23

            the 1 player cost Cashner; a TOR SP; home grown. in reality; he’s added nothing in 5 trading seasons; 3 off-seasons and 2 july 31 seasons. NOTHING to the mlb roster. just a bunch of prospects; or so they say; who are not on the roster. (and the 2 closest to the majors; baez and alcantara; are JH guys; wow).
            let’s be real; theo is making huge monies, 3M per year and has 2 WS rings(with help from duquette and lucchino) so where is his real motive; not so sure anymore. it does not help the owner is poor in baseball terms and agreed to a horrifc purchase agreement, but when theo has spend money; 52M to ejax, 6M to concepcion who is in low A, 6M to injured baker, 4M to ian stewart (signed twice), 8M to fujukawa/injured, 2M to hairston who was traded, 4M to veras who lost the closer job in 2 weeks on a 4-11 team. that’s 82M wasted. not a good sign theo “has it” anymore.

      • JasonOfTheBurbs

        maybe now you can see why I don’t want to resign him and his mullet. I just personally do not like this guy. if he wasn’t from notre dame and big and goofy looking, fans wouldn’t even care about him…he would just be another unproven Arrieta. I want a team and players i can root for. Cubs baseball is fan entertainment. I can’t root for this guy.

        I will root for him to throw 5 straight shutouts and get traded though.

        • Tony_H

          I will hope for the 5 straight shutouts with you.

          I disagree on Cubs baseball is fan entertainment. Baseball is a sport that fans like to watch. Teams should let the marketing department worry about the entertainment angle, but the FO should do what they feel is best for their organization.

    • Larry Schwimmer

      Boy…do I agree with you. Shark is full of you know what! It is always about the money with these players. When these players sign “fat contracts” that they don’t live up to because they’re out of condition and get hurt or start losing their skills — they don’t come back to the Team and offer to give back the money; and say, “I’m a loser. I would really be screwing you if I took this money. Let’s cancel my contract.”

      I think Shark is an arrogant guy who is a hypocrite to boot. His public comments give us — as fans great insight into why Theo could not get a deal done. Shark is not reasonable. I just pray he pitches well so we can get some great prospects for him.

      I’ve endured more than 50 years as a CUB fan with losing teams. I’ll gladly endure a few more years if it means not seeing the CUBS sign any more stupid and wasteful contracts like they signed with Soriano. Enough is enough!!!

      The only thing that sickens me more is the stupidity of wealthy owners that make contracts with players like Puljos and Cabera.

      Please tell me how some of Owners could become so rich and make such bad business decisions?

  • Eugene Debs

    “Hoyer admitted they’ve been trying to get the team to play clean baseball for the last two-plus years, but they have not been able to yet.”

    Hard to be clean when you’re pulling your roster from the scrap heap. Things will only get better when we have better players.

    • cubtex

      Exactly.

  • cubtex

    I’m sorry but blame should be given 100% to the FO for putting together this roster. This is the worst team in 3 years under Theo. It’s an embarrassment. How anyone can say they are doing a good job or even an average job is beyond belief. There are a handful of minor league team with a better outfield than what the Cubs throw out there on a daily basis. Wellington Castillo has terrible fundamentals behind the plate and looks like is going backwards. Olt should be in the minors. Kalish should be in the minors. Renteria has a pitcher in Wesley Wright that he doesn’t trust. Ruggiano should be cut. It’s a pathetic roster.

    • GaryLeeT

      This is what I think is going on. Theo was promised one thing, and Ricketts delivered another. In several interviews Theo has taken thinly veiled swipes at TR, and the player payroll he’s been given to work with. Every year of this, is a blow to Theo’s pride, and I’ll bet he’s just seething. Look for fractures in the alliance soon.

      • cubtex

        It’s like Theo is ignoring the everyday roster on every trade he makes. Look how quickly these other teams can turn it around. Brewers got a Jean Segura in a trade for Greinke. White Sox get an Adam Eaton for Hector Santiago. Theo had some good trade chips at the time where he could have really improved the mlb team.

        • Tony_H

          You finally figured it out? What would Grienke have returned if they were all prospects? What would the Sox have received if they asked for younger players? Obviously the return would be higher quality players. Once again, this isn’t a revelation, it is what we have all known they are doing.

          • Eugene Debs

            To be fair, we are also allowed to not like it.

          • Tony_H

            Absolutely! I don’t get why people complain all the time and act like they don’t know what is going on or use the major league team as the only barometer for how the FO is doing, when we all know what they are doing at the major league level.

          • cubtex

            3 years now Tony! 3 years of losing 95 plus games. How amazing is that? We are the Twins,Astros and Marlins

          • Tony_H

            Perfect example of someone who knows what is going on, but chooses to ignore it and base everything on just the MLB record.

          • Eugene Debs

            I would trade the entire Cubs team for the Marlins.

          • Eugene Debs

            Eh, no I wouldn’t. I’m just being dumb.

          • Tony_H

            Then we would have arms with less bats. They should be a good trade partner at some point.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Actually the Marlins look like a good team

          • cubtex

            yes. putting together a minor league roster to lose games so they can draft high. we all know it but why do you act like they are trying?

          • Tony_H

            When have I said they are trying to win at the major league level?

            I predicted 69 or less wins for the year.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            How about putting it like this?

            “They want to win, but right now they don’t care about winning.”

            Does that make sense? Inthink it puts it fairly enough that the losin on purpose crowd and the build up the farm at expense of big league team can both accept it.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Partially because we are not being charged minor league ticket prices or food prices, etc. aren’t Cubs ticket prices in the top 5(I think 2nd) most expensive in MLB? If the FO wants to provide a minor league team on the field, don’t ask us to support them at major league prices.

          • Tony_H

            Don’t pay it!

          • BigJonLilJon

            And have the right to be sick of it. And the right to no longer support it. And judging by the attendance, it appears to be happening. And that’s the only way us, as fans, can show our distaste for the product we see on the field and are being fleeced into paying for. Just stop. Until the FO puts a quality product on the major league field, just say no

        • GaryLeeT

          He’s making moves like a FO with no money now, and in the near future. Personally, I think the Ricketts family bit off more than they can chew, and are obviously in some financial trouble.

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    I now officially loathe Shark. In addition to being a pitcher that has never proven anything and wants to be paid like an Ace and who crumbles under pressure due to lack of a tough mental makeup, he now thinks the economy is just awesome, and therefore he should be paid awesome, and that is more important than anything.

    No, Shark, the fans are more important than anything…not you making sure you raise the average salary for the young guys coming up behind you.

    • Tony_H

      LOL! When haven’t you loathed Shark!

      • JasonOfTheBurbs

        he has always sucked. now everyone can see it.

        • Tony_H

          Yep, he must suck, he can’t get those Pitcher’s Wins for the back of his baseball card.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            the pitchers facing him seem to be able to do it.

          • cubtex

            haha.

          • Tony_H

            If he faced the Cubs lineups, what do you think his numbers would look like. It is just like if a pitcher faced the Cardinals and Reds for their 1st 3 starts, their numbers may look bad.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            pretty sure Olt, Lake, and Rizzo would take him deep.

            Boni would have 2 bunt singles.
            Castro would have 2 doubles.

            He would strikeout Barney 5 times though.

          • Tony_H

            So are you actually saying something positive about the 5 guys who should be starting everyday?

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            I have been very consistent saying that the only guys I am interested in watching come to the plate are: Olt, Rizzo, Castro, Lake, Bonafacio (while his Cinderella story goes on), and Kalish.

            I have no interest in the AAAA retreads or those who have proven they can’t hit.

            I was down on Castro, but it is starting to look apparent that Sveum/Cubs screwed him up.

            Always liked Rizzo. Kalish is just exciting…no idea if he is good long-term, but has upside compared to Sweeney, Ruggiano, Schierholtz, Barney, Baker, etc

            Castillo I am neutral on…don’t get the hype, but hopefully he can improve.

            I don’t bother getting emotionally invested in short-term gap fillers with no upside who shouldn’t be starting on an mlb roster, whether in the field or on the mound.

          • Eugene Debs

            Kalish is a AAAA retread.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            he might be.
            but much like Olt, I will give him a temporary pass for recent injuries, and see what he can do.

          • Eugene Debs

            Fair enough!

          • BigJonLilJon

            I agree. But first they’d need to play in order to be evaluated.

        • Eugene Debs

          He’s a jerk, but he doesn’t suck.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            he has had 7 good starts in a row. unfortunately he has never had 30 of those. He will be Bad Shark soon enough…hopefully after we have traded him.

            its funny…like people who love soriano on a hot streak and forget how brutal his slumps can be. He has blown plenty of easy wins the past couple of years, and at 29, he is what he is.

          • Eugene Debs

            So, since he sucks, can we still expect a giant package for him?

          • Tony_H

            Yes, Jason is in the minority of opinions on Samardzija.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            I didn’t say all the GMs know he sucks yet. So, yeah, hopefully we get something for him.

            Or better yet, just don’t trade him or resign him, and put him out there for 250 innings the next 2 years and let his multi-million dollar arm fall out.

            Dusty Baker style, yo.

          • Eugene Debs

            I don’t like Bad Shark.

  • SuzyS

    Lots of good dialog going on…I want to take this opportunity to wish everyone a Happy and Blessed Easter with your family and friends.
    Our favorite mlb team is hard to watch…but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be enjoying the finer things in life with our family and friends.
    HAPPY EASTER TO ALL IN THE CCO COMMUNITY…the finest Cubs site in the world.

    • Tony_H

      Happy Easter!

      • Eugene Debs

        So looking forward to Easter ham with the family.

        • cubtex

          You mean you don’t eat Lamb?

          • Eugene Debs

            Nope, we are pig eaters on Easter. Yummy, delicious pig.

          • cubtex

            We Greeks eat Lamb. This year our Easter falls on the same date. Enjoy!

          • Eugene Debs

            You do the same. Maybe we can get a series win this weekend. Two in row will feel like a Division title!

  • Patrick_Schaefer

    The team looked down , they should they are 4-11. Renteria met with the team after the game to say what your approach is bad? He should be saying that every game.

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