No Shortage at Shortstop, Arrieta Throws Off a Mound and Other Cubs Spring Training News

The Cubs’ shortstop is Starlin Castro and Iowa’s shortstop is Javier Baez at least that is what Jed Hoyer said Wednesday. But with every home run Baez hits and every play he makes in the field while Castro is out of the lineup, the noise from the fan base gets louder about Baez breaking camp with the big league team.

The Cubs front office has been consistent all winter that Baez will start the season at Triple-A Iowa. Baez has not played at the level and needs the development time. The Cubs could have a very good problem in the near future if Baez tears up Triple-A pitching and continues checking the boxes off of his player development plan.

Starlin Castro is only 23 years old; he does not turn 24 until March 24. And he has had to learn at the Major League level how to play the game, not in the minors where players are supposed to be developed.

CubsMesaLogo-pubDuring an interview on MLB Network Radio, Rick Renteria discussed Starlin Castro and Javier Baez and what is ahead for his two shortstops.

Renteria defended Castro’s focus issues and pointed out there has been “a whole host of Major League Baseball players who caught balls with less than two outs and threw them into the stands and this and that and it wasn’t made so much of.” Renteria explained it is his job to make sure all of his players are focused and if he sees one not paying attention to make sure he corrects the problem.

Renteria feels Castro is driven right now to prove that he is the player that he thinks he is. Renteria called Castro a “great kid.”

As for Baez, once the Cubs feel like he is close to the majors they will address a possible position change. “In the spring we will be using him a little bit at second,” Renteria said of Baez. “And work him at third and things of that nature. But he is a shortstop and we will keep that in mind because it is great to have two shortstops quite frankly. So we will keep him [Baez] there as long as we have to and inevitably if something has to change, then we will deal with it and that point.”

Renteria explained, “There are still some things that he [Baez] has to clean up in his game. Defensively he still has to do some things. He had quite a few errors last year, I won’t throw out the number out there but he had quite a few errors. So there are still some things in his game that he has to clean up. But you can’t deny what that stick looks like.”

Position redundancy is a good thing, and something the Cubs have not had.

Starlin Castro and Javier Baez say they can work together. Maybe at some point this summer, everyone will get a chance to find out if they can.

Jake Arrieta

Jake Arrieta completed his first bullpen session on Monday that reportedly impressed Chris Bosio. Arrieta threw off flat ground Tuesday. According to a report from the Sun-Times, Chris Bosio said Arrieta is “doing extremely well” but the Cubs are “not going to push him.”

The Cubs do not have a timetable on when he will be ready to start a Cactus League game. And the Sun-Times reported the expectation is that Arrieta will begin the season on the disabled list.

Jake Arrieta is scheduled to throw off a mound again Thursday morning.

James Russell

According to multiple reports, James Russell “downplayed the dead arm that’s kept him out of games” this spring. And according to Russell, he’s gone through this before.

The Sun-Times reported it might be another week before Russell is back on a mound and he might not be ready to pitch in a Cactus League game for another week after that. Russell has not thrown off a mound since early in camp but says “he’s in no danger of missing the start of the season.”

Comcast SportsNet reported that Russell “thinks he needs to throw only five or six innings to be ready for Opening Day.”

Russell told Patrick Mooney that his workload over the past two seasons has not had an impact on his performance. Russell said he was not executing pitches.

Mike Olt

Mike Olt had a good at bat on Tuesday and he could be manning the hot corner for the first time this spring by the end of the week, which would be at some point over the next three days.

Olt has reportedly been working at first base and at third base in practice.

News and Notes

C.J. Edwards is gaining weight according to a report from Jesse Rogers.

Arodys Vizcaino cannot remember the last time he felt as good as he has this spring. And he’s hitting triple digits again on the gun according to a report from Comcast SportsNet.

Minor League Spring Training gets going in full force Thursday with full squad workouts at the Cubs’ facility.

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  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    Great news on Vizcaino hitting triple digits! I’ve always sai I thought e was a great trade and the long run we’ll be blessed to have him. I still feel that way and it’s looking like he’s back in a big way. We haven’t had a feared closer in a long time and there is a reason those type of guys win MVP’s or finish close to winning.

    I still feel Castro isnt in te long term plans. I think it’s very possible that if he has an all-star level first half he will be traded for TOR pitching. Is it the right move? Time will tell but my gut tells me it will happen.

    • cubtex

      The problem is that this team doesn’t need a closer until 2016 season the earliest. Hopefully he stays healthy this year and they can move him for a usable piece like the White Sox did with Reed.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        I gotta call you out for consistency Ray. You are usually all about winning a few more games. Last year we coul have easily won 8-10 more games with a closer. You advocate picking up Corey Hart or Nelson Cruz to mate win 6 more games but say getting a closer was a bad idea. Sorry buddy, but that comment shows your bias against moves Theo makes and painting them in th way that most backs your opinion that Theo is a bum. I think we will be in plenty of close games and an easy way to turn those into wins is to have a closer. Also, he has little experience as a closer. Let him learn this year, next year hen improvements really start to happen with youngsters he’ll be even better. Then in 2016 when you say he’ll “be needed,” he may be an all-star.

        • cubtex

          Rider. I was calling for the Cubs to trade Marmol during his hot streak several years ago if you remember correctly. Go back in the archives. Obviously the “plan” is not to win. I wanted Hart to try and improve the team but again…..that is not the “plan” Vizcaino has already had 2 arm issues in his short career. 2! Theo can salvage this trade by moving Vizcaino “IF” he shows that he is healthy this year. 2016 might even be optimistic….more like 2017. Closers normally have a very short shelf life. They can fill the void the next 3 seasons with a Jose Veras type. I understand the “plan” You understand the “plan” So if you can move Vizcaino for a prospect that will help the team in 2017 and beyond…you do it. Part of the plan Rider.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I’ve never read where Theo said they don’t want to win. I think they want to win as much as they can. But not with expensive veterans. If the Cubs have a young player at a position lacking depth in te system I wouldn’t expect him to be traded. Vizcaino is a great example of a long-term asset with great value to the team, with regar to wins and losses, right now.

            Also, I still don’t know if the ship has sailed in him converting back to starting. A la Neftali Feliz, Ryan Dempster. Vizcaino is so young he could be converted back at some point. But also, having the next Aroldys Chapman is quite a coup.

          • Denver Mike

            To say that the plan is to lose is ridiculous, yet it has been the basis of 90% of the arguments you’ve made for 3 years. The other 10% usually revolve around some sort of irrelevant Starbucks reference. To put “plan” in quotes 4 times in one post just wreaks of snark and bias.

            I don’t really mean to pick on Tex specifically, but I decided to check the comments this morning for the first time in about a week, and felt like I am listening to the same old broken record again. I love this site but sometimes it is just exhausting!

            I mean c’mon, Vanilla Ice only had one hit song, but it’s not like he puts on a concert and sings “Ice Ice Baby” for 90 straight minutes. Change it up a little, and find something to smile about.

          • cubtex

            what is the plan? They want top draft picks. They did that the 1st 2 years. Did that happen by winning? Look at the roster they put together for this year. Is that to win?

            BTW- I liked Vanilla Ice. I like his rehab show too in small samples. Ice Ice Baby.

          • Denver Mike

            Haha, see that’s what I like about ya’ Tex. You usually frustrate the hell out of me but at the end I find myself laughing. Who didn’t sing along to a little Ice in 1990?

            In regards to the plan, I don’t know any more about the facts of it all than any of you. I think in a perfect world Theo’s plan would be a hybrid of what we saw in Boston and what is happening here. Spend some on FA and develop a world class farm system.

            I think he would have liked to make a couple splashes with the Darvish, Puig, Sanchez types but due to a combination of no funding from ownership (Darvish, Cespedes); and circumstances out of his control (Sanchez), that hasn’t happened.

            I also think that when Theo finally arrived the financial situation was much different than what he was led to believe initially. When he realized the money wasn’t there to land the impact FAs, he decided rather than overpay middle of the pack FAs he would focus on stocking the farm with as many top prospects as possible. Is that losing on purpose? I don’t think so but I can understand why some might think so. Is that the “plan”? I don’t think anyone talented enough to be working for a company at the pinnacle of their industry would ever plan to do poorly on purpose. It takes a certain competitive fire to rise to that level in any industry, and anyone whose personality would allow them to lose on purpose would never reach that level in the first place. Sometimes, when your back is against the (financial) wall, you have to make tough decisions for the better of your company/team/family/life, whatever the scenario may be.

          • cubtex

            When the rules changed about the draft…..that made losing the only way to aquire the “cream of the crop” from the draft. They are not fielding a competitive team on purpose. Anyone can see that. They want at least another top pick for next year and will start to add better pieces to mix in with Baez,Bryant,Castro and Rizzo and hopefully Castillo(but I am not sold on him long term yet)
            Right now this plan is a plan any gm can do. I know many are offended by this but that is the case. How Theo will hopefully prove his worth is when the losing stops(hopefully after this year) and he starts to build the mlb team. Until then….no kudos from me. He hasn’t done anything to sing his praise. No Ice Ice Theo coming out of this mouth :)

          • Denver Mike

            Disqus decided to reject my last post, shocking I know.

            Long story short, I’m not ready to crown Theo MLB mastermind quite yet either, but also I don’t think this is entirely his fault, therefore I try not to direct whatever vitriol I have towards the team in his direction. I would say that I hold The Tribune, Sam Zell, the Rooftops, Rahm Emmanuel, and the Ricketts (in that order) more responsible for what we see on the MLB diamond today that I do “Team Theo” (hate that term). Which is absolutely crazy because none of those people even make baseball decisions for this team, but then again that is Chicago for ya.

          • cubtex

            wow. you got rejected? I hate to see what you wrote :)) I appreciate your comments. Have a great day in the mile high city! Got a lunch meeting.

          • Denver Mike

            Ha, it wasn’t THAT bad! Enjoy your day as well sir!

          • mutantbeast

            You missed Crane Kenney, who seemed to think he ran the baseball operation when Hendry was here.

          • Denver Mike

            Indeed, he should probably be slotted right after Zell.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            They don’t stategize to lose on purpose. They’ve fielded the best team they can without committing to mid-level, overpriced free agents that want deals. They’ve gotten the best they can on one year deals and taken as many shots as possible on guys that could be flipped if the team wasn’t in the playoff hunt.

            You don’t have to get a top pick to draft well in baseball. More than any other sport you can get guys at any level of the draft that can turn out to be all-stars. Theo’s happy to have top picks but his strategy for bulding a long term winner has been much more centered on signing guys then flipping them for long-term assets.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            He’s a two time World Series winning GM. He would never choose to lose. Just not in his DNA. He has a plan for long term success and the idea it involves tanking on purpose is ludicrous. If that were the case they’d make no moves and just sit back. We’re always trying to improve. Maybe not enough to your liking but whenver it fits intwith the long term plan they make the move.

          • cubtex

            If he is trying to win that is what is ludicrous.He should be fired if that were the case. 100 losses,90 plus and 90 plus. If that ain’t tanking tell me what is.

          • paulcatanese

            He may not intentionally be trying to lose, but he is not trying to win either. He does have a plan and has the perfect personality to bring whatever he is trying to do. Stubborn, stubborn, and super stubborn.
            He, in so many words has said it with the fans who disagree, as he will not offer a “cookie” but they must wait for the “full meal” to be ready.
            That’s not a direct quote, but he said it very close to what I posted.
            He (Theo) is not a bad guy, but its just his way or the highway.

          • cubtex

            Notice what you are saying. They’ve fielded the best team they can……WITHOUT committing to mid level and/or overpriced free agents that want deals. They have also traded mlb players for prospects(not mlb ready players) So….is that your definition of trying to win now? That is not a plan of winning. We all know that.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            It’s a long term plan to build a sustained winner. They’ll take the wins they can get now as long as they’re not caused by short term solutions. They would love to win and out themselves in the best position they can to do so wihout effecting te plan. They don’t set out to lose.
            Theo has a plan and he’s executing it. Having been around he knows what it will take to turn around this franchise and bring an end to an unprecedented drought. Sacrifice for the greater good. But losin intentionally is jut silly and ANYONE who states that undermines their own credibility.

            We may not like everything about said plan but it is being executed perfectly. And it doesn’t include tanking in purpose to make the job easier.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Well said…hear, hear…

        • cubtex

          I just wish your bias toward every move that Theo has made is a home run be accurate. If that we the case we would be winning a WS this year :) Stay positive! Maybe one of these moves might hit!

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            You are right. It looks like they will hit. They’re not big leaguers yet but they’ve been hits at the levels they are at. Hopefully that trajectory continues. I think at least some will and with our depth that is all we need. Future is very bright. But I think were gonna have some fun this year too.

          • cubtex

            I think the Baez’s,Bryants,Almora’s will. All 1st round picks. CJ Edwards has a chance. Pierce Johnson has a chance. Alcantara has a chance. Those are the 6 we should be counting on. To think guys like Barret Loux and Christian Villanueva,Kyle Hendricks will be productive starting mlb players is the bias I am talking about. Ryan Kalish and Lars Anderson??? Cmon Rider. These guys are fill in AAAA players.

          • Tony_H

            I think even Board and I know that the Loux, Kalish, Andersons and similar types have low chances to ever make the majors and be productive. They are what they are and all teams have these type of players and hit on one every so often that helps the big league club.

            Villanueva and Hendricks both will get to the majors, it is just a question to how good they will be over their career.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Agreed. The odds on Kalish and Anderson aren’t good. But they do have a shot and they help provide competition and depth. One of these guys may hit as some point.

            But Villanueva and Hendricks both project well. Hendricks doesn’t blow people away but he will pitch in the MLB for 12 years.

          • cubtex

            Really? Hendricks will pitch in the mlb for 12 years? Wow

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I speak of Loux tongue and cheek. I don’t really believe he’ll stay healthy, bu I won’t write him off either.

            Villanueva belongs in te first group not second. So does Olt. I think Corey Black and Ivan Pinyeior do too…Torres, Jimenez.

            I think Kalish has a shot. He has neer stayed healthy long enough to be fully evaluated. He was progressing nicely until injuries hit. Look at Nelson Cruz’s trajectory. Although it may be skewed by PED’s, a 26 or 27 year old figuring it out isn’t unheard of.

            I’ve not given up on Bitters yet either. And I’ll give Jackson a minute but still alive chance.

          • cubtex

            Villanueva is not a top prospect Rider. Cmon. His ceiling is probably a utility infielder. Not enough pop for a corner and not really a 2nd baseman.

          • Tony_H
          • BigJonLilJon

            Great article and worth the read!! Thanks

          • cubtex

            He hit .261 last year in AA. .250 in high A. I don’t see how any scout say he translates to a .300 hitter. He has only done that once in rookie league. 5’11 170 with not much HR pop. Tom used the comparison to Vance Law. Vance

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Didn’t he lead his league in doubles? Not a ton of pop but can play.

          • BigJonLilJon

            Arent the 2014 Cubs pretty much all a AAAA team?

          • cubtex

            yes they are. I was responding to how Rider thinks Kalish and Anderson can be more than fill in players for AAA

      • mutantbeast

        Hate top tell you Tex, but if Viz turns out to be anything like a Joe Nathan then I say keep him.

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  • Tony_H

    Condolences to Rich Hill and family. Terrible news.

    Tim Britton ‏@TimBritton 9m
    Rich Hill has arrived in Fort Myers with a heavy heart. His son, born December 26, recently passed away.

  • cubtex

    Bowden and Stern did a report on the Cubs yesterday. With Bowden’s scenario he said top 4 pick this year. Top 10 pick the following and then started to get slowly better after that. He didn’t mention WS team and Cubs till 2020. He thought they would draft a position player again this year and continue to build up position players and they should move EJax, Shark and Travis Wood to contenders at trade deadline.

    • cubtex

      Bowden also raved about Baez. One of most special talents that he has seen. Hasn’t seen bat speed like that since Sheffield

    • John_CC

      Sounds like you might as well take a 6 year hiatus. Come back in 2020 when the Cubs will be winning and save yourself all the aging this must be putting on you.

      • cubtex

        thank you again for your concern for my health. That is the reason on why I run and eat healthy. Thanks again for your concern. I wish you health and happiness

        • John_CC

          LOL

    • GaryLeeT

      That was hard to listen to. The intro to the segment about how bad the Cubs are going to be for the next 3 years was pretty depressing. Although, I was entertained by Renteria’s company man response to Bowden when he kept asking how he keep the players staying positive when they know they are designed to lose 90-100 games in each of the next 2 or 3 years.

    • mutantbeast

      Im sure Bowden was such a great GM when he was at Cincy. Great enough to get fired, all while working for Marge Schott, whose incompetence made Sam Zell look like a genius.

      • Eugene Debs

        Bowden is a bum. Didn’t he actually get In trouble in Washington for sketchy actions?

    • JasonPen

      2020 is a little far out in my opinion.

  • Tony_H

    Here is an article for you and I even needed to refill my Cubbie Kool-Aide to finish reading it. But after reading it, 2016 is the year!!!

    https://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22976

    The article is a good read, but I will cut to the chase on the lineup and rotation.

    The Optimist’s 2016 Cubs:

    1. Arismendy Alcantara, 2B
    2. Albert Almora, CF
    3. Anthony Rizzo, 1B
    4. Kris Bryant, RF
    5. Javier Baez, 3B
    6. Jorge Soler, LF
    7. Starlin Castro, SS
    8. Welington Castillo, C

    S1: David Price
    S2: Max Scherzer
    S3: C.J. Edwards
    S4: Tyler Beede
    S5: Pierce Johnson

    Closer: Arodys Vizcaino

    • cubtex

      hahaha. How does the article suggest they aquire Price and Scherzer?

      • Tony_H

        I know you are against actually reading things, but you should just click on the link and read the article.

        I know you will take the entire article far too seriously, and then pick it apart, but it is just a fun article.

        • cubtex

          I am sure it is but Scherzer will more than likely be locked up by the Tigers. That was a big reason for the Fielder trade. And if the Cubs think Price will sign here as a FA….Overpay city! And according to what Bowden thinks….he doesn’t see Theo drafting a pitcher again this year. I don’t see any scenario where the Cubs could have a dominant starting rotation by 2016.

          • Tony_H

            It is just for fun, not meant to be dissected by someone taking it seriously.

            Bowden is not the end all of what will happen, he throws out a lot of things that never happen. But I still enjoy reading his articles.

          • cubtex

            Bowden actually is pro Theo and Jed. He just laid out how long it will take. 2020 according to him. Wow

          • Tony_H

            Right now, why would say any earlier? You don’t start saying a team is a World Series contender until they become a playoff contender. No rational person can put a time frame on the Cubs being a World Series contender until they become a playoff contender. And as you say, just get to the playoffs and anything can happen.

          • cubtex

            exactly. give me any playoff team and I will take it. I don’t care how they get in. This losing just sucks year in and year out.

          • John_CC

            This is the kind of exchange that has become quite tiresome here.

            Tony posts a link to an article, Cubtex doesn’t respect any of us enough to read the article before launching into a rebuttal, which has absolutely nothing to do with the OP that he is responding to. Then it goes on for 5 or 10 or 15 more posts.

            And I don’t think I’m alone in feeling this way.

          • cubtex

            thank you for your response John. I am sorry you feel that way and hope that you will have a great day.

          • John_CC

            No need to thank me in patronizing fashion.

            But thank you, I am having a great day!

          • Tony_H

            Sorry John.

          • BigJonLilJon

            And anything can happen in the playoffs… get in first though

          • Swish23

            Yeah; in 106 yrs anything can happen; like never winning a championship. In 2020; there won’t be a team theo if that is the 1st playoff team; nor a daddy’s trust fund ownership. The mlbpa is not liking the mets 87M payroll for large mkt team; hmmm; 86m payroll in Chicago large market not any better. And so begins yr 5 of the ricketts expansion era. Lose baby; just lose ( and cheaply too).

      • mutantbeast

        Destroyed will not let Scherzer go, unless he insists on Kershaw $. Price will cost you far more than we got from Texas for Garza. Id rather have someone younger.

    • John_CC

      Thanks for the link btw, it is fun to read that kind of stuff sometimes. Nothing wrong with a little baseball fantasy in the early spring.

      • Tony_H

        Spring is the best time for optimism for those that can appreciate it.

    • BigJonLilJon

      Very optimistic yet fun article. I love the line up. Obviously that pitching staff won’t happen. But with a little luck with current youngsters, Wood being what he was in 2013(which I’m not entirely sold on), 1 big FA signing…. one never knows. I think the key will be Shark. Most importantly, what we can get for him. He needs to go sooner not later. He’s not a 1 or a 2… he just thinks he is. And so does a lot of other MLB teams apparently. If we can get at least 1 bona fide young SP in the deal????? And also if the FO decides to let these kids play out after June at the MLB level… we could make the playoffs next year. Then who knows what can happen. My fear is the FO wont let it happen though.

      • Tony_H

        I agree the pitching staff won’t ever happen like that and almost for sure the lineup will not happen. Just fun way to look at what ifs with where we are today.

      • mutantbeast

        Actually, James Shields might be the best pickup on the market next year, even at age 34. Hes not a power arm, pitc hes deep into many games , doesnt get hurt, and doesnt walk many. Might be worth a 3yr contract at a reasonable price after 2014.

  • paulcatanese

    I get a kick out of Renteria, only here for a short time and he has all these words of wisdom and what the players have for ability.
    Give me a break, he is a yes man, and I would rather hear it directly from Theo.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      What’s wrong with him being positive Paul? Does that make him a yes man? Attitude is a choice, Renteria has his, you have yours. I like the way he is.

    • cubtex

      I do think Renteria is a much better personality for the young kids on the team. Sveum was the exact opposite. Led by fear and ripping in the press. Threatened to send Castro and Rizzo down to the minors. Renteria will be a much more stable influence for the Castro’s,Lakes, Baez etc.

      • paulcatanese

        Yep, Sveum was the evil stepfather, and now Renteria is the congenial babysitter.
        And true, one gets more with Honey than with salt.
        I just like to moan and groan about things until they get a true winner out there:)

        • cubtex

          I hate this losing more than anyone…but Renteria is a good fit for where this team is right now. I really think Castro will have a huge year now with Sveum gone and Renteria just letting him be who he was that made him one of the top young players in the game.

      • Eugene Debs

        I hear he speaks a little Spanish.

    • John_CC

      Would you rather the manager of team not say anything about his players? Reporters are asking him questions everyday. What would everyone say to Renteria’s comments: “sorry, i can’t answer that question, i’ve never actually watched any of these guys play in meaningful games.

      “yeah, i sure hope Castro can hit like he did before, but honestly i have no idea if that is possible. i guess we’ll find out soon enough.

      “Sorry all, I will not be answering any questions about any of the players that I am the manager of until I have a better understanding of them…come back in May. Thank you”

      Sveum was the no comment guy, and everyone liked him so much!

      • paulcatanese

        Two extremes, how about someone in the middle?
        It would be refreshing to me at least, I like the honesty you put out there, like to hear more of it.
        Not really putting Renteria down, but if he were to make comments in the context that you have, I would accept that a lot more.

  • Darren McCulloch

    If Baez continues to hit, the Cubs need to call him up and start him in left field. Who would you rather have in left Baez or Sweeney. Baez brings middle of the order pop the Cubs haven’t had since Derrek Lee.

    • cubtex

      they have a lot of places where he would be an upgrade immediately.

  • brent carmona

    Theo epstein on the score radio the other day:

    ‘I’m shaking my head at the notion that we should make Baseball decisions on giving fans a cookie. We’re making the whole meal’

    I thought that was pretty cool. Sustained success is key only a matter of time!

    • paulcatanese

      People would throw up a lot less on a cookie than they would on a bad meal that takes a long time to make:)
      And a cookie would keep a lot of people from starving waiting for the whole meal.
      And again, Theo is talking down to fans.

  • Eugene Debs

    Vizcaino. Recognize.