Phillies Receive Cubs Pick in Rule 5 Draft to Settle Grievance Over Lendy Castillo DL Stint

The Cubs forfeited their first pick (fourth overall) in next week’s Rule 5 Draft to the Phillies in order to settle a grievance about the amount of time Lendy Castillo spent on the disabled list during the 2012 season.

The Cubs selected the right-handed pitcher in the Rule 5 Draft in December of 2011 from the Phillies. Lendy Castillo broke camp on the Cubs’ active roster that spring ¬†and by rule, the Cubs had to keep Castillo on the active roster the entire season or offer him back to the Phillies.

Castillo was placed on the 15-day DL on May 12, 2012 with a reported left groin strain. Castillo pitched in the minors, rehabbing what was thought at the time “an injury.” Castillo’s roster status was officially changed on August 11.

It is not uncommon for teams to place Rule 5 Draft picks on the disabled list with “injuries” in order to stash them in the system and not offer the player back to his original organization. The Phillies apparently did not agree with the Cubs’ practice on this occasion and called them on it.

Lendy Castillo is still in the Cubs’ organization and just pitched in the Arizona Fall League. Keeping Castillo at the time was a questionable, at best, move and their decision cost a pick in the draft next week.

Reports have indicated the Cubs were unlikely to make a pick in the draft.

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  • cubtex

    agreed Neil. I thought at first that Castillo could possibly be an arm that they would want to keep but he clearly was way over his head. He should have been returned so they could have kept the 4th pick for this year.

    • Ripsnorter1

      It is just another dumb move by Team Theo.

      • cubtex

        He’s not making many friends is he? I guess we won’t be making any trades with the Phillies any time soon :)

        • Ripsnorter1

          Castillo has dropped off my list of top 25 Cubs’ prospects.
          We may never see him again, either.

          This Phillies pick may prove to be interesting.

    • Tony_Hall

      He should have been returned in 2012 so that they could keep their 2013 pick in the Rule V? Huh? Teams don’t pick every year in the Rule V. From all reports that is why the Cubs didn’t fight this, as they didn’t intend to use their pick this year.

      We all know that the Rule V is a crapshoot, especially since the rules changed a few years back. The days of Johan Santannas being made available are long gone.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Tony, he was responding to my comment. What I said in the report had nothing to do with losing this pick, and I am with you about the draft, my point was at the time the question was why Castillo was still with the team when he had not shown any improvement. I think they should have returned him then.

        • Tony_Hall

          I agree with that. He just didn’t work out and should have been returned. But if the Cubs got called on this, it will be new trend for teams to question all Rule V, DL trips moving forward, because every team that has done this.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            You’re right, just about every team creates a mystery injury for a Rule 5 pick, and other players as well. If teams start to push it, there will be a lot more of this moving forward. And if that is the case, the players will be the ones that really lose out.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Sound like the Phillies FO are a bunch of cry babies…their GM’s job is on the line this year……he should enjoy the last Rule 5 pick he will ever make as a GM.

    • Ripsnorter1

      How can anyone blame the Phillies for Team Theo’s unscrupulous actions?

      There is only one party that deserves a kicking in this deal:
      Team Theo. Kick them for this blunder. (And yes, their blunder list is
      getting rather lengthy, too).

      Cubs’ fans should admit it.

      • DWalker

        why? Every GM who has ever picked a semi fringe rule 5 has used the same tricks. The Phillies doing this is the height of sour grapes whining. Baseball is a game as much of unwritten rules as written ones, and the Phillies just broke one and it will come back to haunt them someday.

        • Ripsnorter1

          The facts are these:

          1. Team Theo violated the rules.
          2. Team Theo got caught violating the rules.
          3. Team Theo has to pay the piper for violating the rules.

          So what’s wrong with them paying for their crimes?
          Right is right, and wrong is wrong.

          Why would anyone blame the Phillies because their prospect
          was stolen from them illegitimately? If the Phils did that to the Cubs,
          you’d be screaming about it.

          • Tony_Hall

            This is pretty ridiculous, Rip, even for you. They didn’t violate any rules, they used the old phantom injury, like all teams do with Rule V and even other players.

            It is not like the penalty is anything of consequence, just like overspending on the international market is resulting in the Cubs being penalized in next years international market. Neither costs the Cubs anything, but go ahead and try to make this sound like they have hurt the team.

            CRIMES! Ridiculous.

          • Ripsnorter1

            I guess we’ll see who the Phillies take with the #4 Rule V pick
            that would have been the Cubs.

            Don’t you think it will be interesting if they take a Cubs’ prospect?

            I know. “That’s ridiculous!”
            : )

          • SuzyS

            Yep…probably Lendy Castillo…lol:-)

          • Tony_Hall

            Very likely they will, their farm system is pretty bad and could use some of our unprotected players.

          • triple

            Tony, the real travesty of this is now it’s set back the rebuild…. we’ll be lucky if the Cubs can field a winning team before 2026 now!

          • paCubsfan23

            It was a rule 5 pick, not rule 4. Rule 4 is the college/his draft.

          • Tony_Hall

            He was being sarcastic and losing a 1st round pick in Rule 4 wouldn’t be 10 years anyway.

          • Tony_Hall

            That’s right, at least 10 more years from losing a pick in a draft where you don’t have to take anyone and the success rate is really, really small.

        • cubtex

          This is not an unwritten rule. Rule is that a team must keep player active for at least 90 days on major league roster to prevent teams from raiding Rule 5 draft and just stashing players on DL. Teams DL Rule 5 players from time to time during season but they keep them active for 90 days. Cubs didn’t. Plain and simple.

          • JimBo_C

            cubtex,
            out of curiosity on the 90-day discussion i looked up his DL date (5/16) and his activation date (8/12) and the cubs start date (4/5) and finish date (10/03). It looks like he was active for more than 90 days.

          • Tony_Hall

            Yes he was. What the Phillies are calling the Cubs on is was he really hurt?

          • cubtex

            I didn’t look it up. Carrie Muskat tweeted that he was inactive 91 days.

          • JimBo_C

            Oh … I see.

            I found the tweet. She stated that you have to be active for 90 days and proceeds to tell us how many days he was inactive (91 days) instead of telling us that he satisfied the 90 day active requirement.

            Nice work by Carrie

          • Tony_Hall

            Very poor job of reporting by Carrie….again.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            Carrie has allot of “Respect” from players and FO personal.
            Even the “Best” can make small errors.

          • Tony_Hall

            She is no where near the best.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            But you will read her column everyday to obtain Cubs information!

          • Tony_Hall

            Just as Tex is being sarcastic (he knows not to read her), I almost never read her articles. She is the last place I look for Cubs info….the 1st place is the CCO!

          • cubtex

            Yep. That is what I read. So wouldn’t you think that he wasn’t on mlb roster for 90 days by that tweet?

          • JimBo_C

            yep

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Tony is correct, the Phillies questioned the injury.

          • Ripsnorter1

            97 days active.

      • John_CC

        Come on man. You can do a lot better this…you must be short on material.

        This is such an inconsequential, non-story …ugh, it must be a slow period if so many are making this a big deal along with one headline after another about what “might” happen with a player that isn’t even on a roster!

  • CubbyDenCritic

    BREAKING NEWS>>>>>>>>>
    Phillies is asking Bud Selig to force the Cubs to give up a Major Prospect in the Ivan Dejesus – Bowa / Sandberg trade……….Phillies FO felt that Dallas Green stole prospect development evaluation reports from his former employer, Philadelphia Phillies, by hiding Sandberg’s MLB potential.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Just been checking the Doug Fister stats from 2013…

    I don’t think 2014 looks all that promising. He not only gives up too many hits,
    his control has been declining. LHB are starting to tee off on him, and his
    stat lines are starting to look like Zambrano’s stats when he started to lose his supremacy.

  • cubtex

    Ronald Belisario signed with White Sox. Relievers coming off the board quickly.

  • Tony_Hall

    I have been looking for the actual days in a MLB season. Here is what I found.

    “A year of service time is equal to 172 days, and there are normally around 183 total days in the major league calendar.”

    http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=662:service-time-st&catid=44:business-of-baseball-glossary&Itemid=75

    • cubtex

      So he might not have satisfied the 90 days. Normally 183 days. He missed 91 days. I am not going to count the days but that still could be the case. Either way… It seems like Theo is not making many friends and teams will not let him get away with violations either written or unwritten.

      • Tony_Hall

        183-91=92

        I think you are reading too much into this, it wasn’t about the days, it was about making up an injury, something all teams do.

        • cubtex

          Normally does not mean it is 183 every year.

          • Tony_Hall

            The baseball season is 26 weeks times 7 days. The shortest a season would be is 182 days.

            It is not about the days, as you can see the Cubs reactivated him just in time to get to the 90 days, staying within the letter of the law, but they violated the spirit of the law.

          • cubtex

            Ok

          • John_CC

            Daanng…there you go again!

        • Ripsnorter1

          I actually counted the days.
          April 5 to May 16 is 44 days (doesn’t count May 16).
          Aug 12 to Oct 3 is 53 days.
          Total 97 days.

        • John_CC

          Good math Tony!

      • SuzyS

        Maybe. Another way of looking at it are the Phillies are desperate for a competitive edge…needing new, cheap blood in the organization.
        The Cubs had a high pick and the Phillies jumped on a technicality. Personally, I think the Phillies are rather ridiculous in persuing this two years after the fact…It bespeaks of a desperate FO.

        • Ripsnorter1

          You watch those Phillies take that #4 pick in the Rule V draft
          and pluck someone right off of the Cubs’ MiL roster.

          That ought to feel real good, don’t you think?
          We’ll be sure to blame the Phillies for it all, too.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Here are six names that may get picked. Remember: a lot of CCO people are
            trumpheting how good the Cubs MiL is now that Team Theo has built it up.
            Well, here’s a chance for other teams to raid the Cubs MiL system.

            Hatley, Hernandez, Matt Loosen, Jae-Hoon Ha, Cates and Amaya.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Please stop calling out the readers of the site like you just did.

            Thank you.

          • John_CC

            Don’t lose any sleep Rip, please this is so not worth the virtual space.

          • Tony_Hall

            Yes the Cubs will have players chosen in the Rule V draft and the likely candidates are the ones you mentioned, except I don’t see Amaya as he is too far from the majors.

        • John_CC

          This is the first sensible, and most plausible, post in this whole thread.

  • bpot92

    While reading the most valuable players list on espn, they talked about adam wainright having the second best cutter of all starters and he used that pitch to compensate for the two surgeries and only 92-93 mph average. I found it interesting that number one was: Travis Wood! Hopefully that is a sign that he can get lots of ground-balls and not rely on mph and continue his impressive season last year.

  • cubtex

    So a baseball question…….. Are the Cubs going to sign a closer this offseason? Benoit? Fernando Rodney(can you imagine him with that Cubs hat all crooked coming in for 9th?) I am not very confident in Strop being able to close but I don’t really like any of the options in free agency.

    • Ripsnorter1

      Answer: by “closer,” do you mean a Kevin Gregg-type, ie, a washed up, failed closer
      that Team Theo hopes has one more last hurrah for cheap?

      If that is what you mean, the answer is, “Yes, maybe.”

      If you are talking about a proven closer who can still successfully close games
      with great efficiency for a steep price, the answer is obviously, “No.”

      • cubtex

        I saw a prediction that they would sign Benoit. That is a waste of money for a last place team.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Strop…which Strop will pitch in 2014 for the Cubs?

          This guy could actually nail down 40 saves if he pitches like
          he did for us in 2013.

          But if he reverts to the Orioles Strop of 2013, he won’t get but 4 saves.

        • Ripsnorter1

          I thought you wanted the Cubs to get better in 2014?

          • cubtex

            Of course I do. Look at their roster. Benoit on this team would be a huge waste of $. Get some players first and then get a closer.

          • Ripsnorter1

            We desperately need bats.

          • cubtex

            Desperately is right. Who’s going to drive in any runs?

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