More Cubs Rumors than News at the Winter Meetings

Tuesday morning was rather quiet at the Winter Meetings with the exception of the three-team deal being worked on by the Angels, White Sox and Diamondbacks that could take Arizona out of the Jeff Samardzija market.

The Cubs continue to look for pitching, both starters and relievers, and Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer appear to be listening to offers for James Russell, Nate Schierholtz and of course, Jeff Samardzija.

Jeff Samardzija

The Cubs continue to listen to offers for Jeff Samardzija. Jesse Rogers reported the Braves could be the favorite to land Samardzija either this winter or at some point during the season.

The Braves are among a long list of teams that have been connected to Samardzija this winter. The Blue Jays and Diamondbacks are still thought to be the frontrunners for Samardzija … even if Arizona acquires Mark Trumbo from the Angels in the proposed three-way deal with the White Sox that could send Adam Eaton to the Sox with Hector Santiago and Tyler Skaggs ending up in Anaheim.

What was buried in Rogers’ report was the fact that Jeff Samardzija’s agent, Mark Rodgers, is scheduled to arrive in Orlando on Tuesday for a “36-hour stay.” Rodgers does not have a meeting scheduled with the Cubs’ brass specifically about Samardzija but the two sides are expected to talk.

James Russell, Tyler Clippard and Drew Storen

According to Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post, the Nationals are receiving a lot of action on both Drew Storen and Tyler Clippard. Mike Rizzo told Kilgore he would have to have his socks knocked off to trade either of the relievers.

The Nationals are interested in James Russell, according to the Sun-Times, but talks between the Cubs and the Nationals for either Storen and/or Clippard “never went anywhere” and Kilgore was told those discussions are dead.

The Cubs are thought to be looking into adding at least one arm to the backend of the bullpen. John Axford and Joba Chamberlain are in the mix.

News, Notes and Rumors

The Cubs could be losing a trade partner in the Colorado Rockies. According to Troy Renck, the Rockies’ discussions with the A’s about Brett Anderson are percolating.

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  • cubtex

    Japan’s #2 pitcher could be posted. He is only 6′ 160 pounds and is thought to be a #4. He also should go immediately to a major league rotation.

    Growing speculation that the No. 2 pitcher in Japan could be posted, further shaking up the free agent market: http://bit.ly/1e3a1X7

    • SirGladiator

      That’s great news, he’d make a useful member of the team, and he probably wouldn’t be that expensive. 20 million initial bid, then probably get a reasonable long-term contract, making it overall a pretty sweet deal for a guy with that much potential. If we get him ‘and’ Tanaka we’re going to be sitting pretty!

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Peter Gammons just said Theo might hold onto Samardzija for a better deal in July.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Sean Marshalll might be heading to the Reds.

    • cubtex

      old news. Cubs traded him to the Reds 2 years ago :)

      • CubbyDenCritic

        ha ha ha ….
        seems the Cubs won on that trade…..Marshall spent more time on the DL then on the Reds roster.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        meant to say the Rockies……his salary is the issue with the Rockies.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    When the Winter Meetings are over, the only thing Theo might bring back with him is a nice tan……
    no problem………Cubs fans have allot of trade talk to discuss next July………Samardzija, Schierholtz, Barney, Villauneva, Russell………we will be all laughing when a desperate Arizona GM Towers give us Archie Bradley plus two other prospects for Edwin Jackson.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Watching the Twins….Rockies all upgrading…….we sure have a real shot for #1 draft pick in 2015.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    White Sox getting Howie Kendrick in that 3 team trade.

  • raymondrobertkoenig

    Great headline! Expect that to hold true for a while.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Thanks man.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Reportedly the deal is done …

    D-Backs will be getting Trumbo and two players to be named later, Eaton to White Sox, Skaggs and Santiago to Angels.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      but the D-Backs still don’t have their Pitcher…………and in this game, it is all about Pitching.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Kendrick was not thrown in that 3 team trade according MLBTV

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Seattle will trade for both David Price & Matt Kemp by Friday…….A.L. West the new Powerhouse in MLB.

  • cubtex

    White Sox fans are going to like Adam Eaton. Plays hard. Lenny Dykstra comparisons. They have a 2/3 of a very good young outfield now. Avisail Garcia and Adam Eaton

    • John_CC

      Hope he has better character traits than Lenny “dirt bag” or whatever it was he called himself.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Sounds like you lost a poker hand or two to Lenny.

        • cubtex

          don’t you know his story? He scammed millions from people and is doing jail time.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            and Curt Schilling who also scammed money from people on his firm got a job at ESPN next year………..yeah, Lenny is not a nice boy…..auto theft, drugs, tax invasion, scams……..but Lenny can play an honest game of Poker.

    • 07GreyDigger

      I wonder if that puts one of their OF’s on the trading block either Viciedo or De Aza.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Cubs new Manager is on MLB TV now……..very positive…….biggest fear for him seems the young players getting swayed away from baseball to the local lifestyle of Chicago…….bars, women, food………..maybe Theo should look for Babysitters!

    • cubtex

      I think they made a good choice with Renteria.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        180 from Dale that I can tell.

      • 07GreyDigger

        You what?!

        • cubtex

          what surprises you?

          • 07GreyDigger

            That you think the FO made a good choice with anything. :)

      • paulcatanese

        Yeah, but he did say the Cub’s clubhouse was bigger than he anticipated, could it just be that the Cub players are just smaller?:)

  • John_CC

    This was written about Trumbo before the trade…

    “If the reported price tag of Adam Eaton and Tyler Skaggs is even remotely close to true, it seems fairly clear that the Diamondbacks are drastically overrating the value of Mark Trumbo, an unsurprising result given that he possesses the skillset that is most often overrated.”

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-overrated-and-underrated-mark-trumbo/

    • cubtex

      I think the Angels and Sox got the better end of the deal but to discount the value Trumbo will have to the D’backs based on this WAR talk is silly. Goldschmidt is one of the best young hitters in the game. He has had no protection. Now you add a Trumbo who the last 3 years has gone 29 and 87 32 and 95 and last year 34 and 100. He adds a huge power bat to go along with Goldy.

      • John_CC

        It wasn’t just “WAR talk” as you say. Did you even read the article? It did not discount the value Trumbo will have to the DBacks, in fact the writer talked about the good and bad. The main point was the the DBacks way overestimated Trumbo’s value by giving up a great, young defensive OF and a TOR lefty for Home Runs only.

        • cubtex

          I’ll be honest. I have a hard time reading an article that starts out with what a players WAR is relative to another player. A player has value to the team in many other areas. Trumbo could hit 40 HR’s in Arizona. He adds much needed protection for Goldy. I totally understand why the D’Backs made this move. Did they give up too much? Yes probably. As I have said…I like the deal for the Angels and White Sox better but IF Goldy improves even more on his year next year than this year and the D’Backs make the playoffs???? It would have been a good trade for them.

          • John_CC

            Great. You really should try reading some new things, it’s good for you as whole. You know, learn some new stuff, hear some other perspectives, that kind of thing. It’s the fun part of being an intelligent human.

          • cubtex

            hahahaha. thanks for the advice. I actually read books and learn new things every night. I just do not believe you build a baseball team on WAR. If you believe that great. I don’t.

          • John_CC

            See! I knew you were a smart guy! Except you are incredibly pig-headed when anyone even mentions a stat that was invented post-1970. Come on man! I never NEVER said nor do I believe that a team is built based on WAR. That’s you hiding your head further in the sand.

            Seriously now, for someone that loves baseball as much as you do, I just cannot understand why you chose to wholesale ignore an entire system of evaluation that is widely accepted as a useful tool!

            Resist change and you’ll be left behind.

          • cubtex

            To call a player who hit 34 HR’s last year with 100 RBI… League Average? It is not about ignoring stats post 1970 it is about comparing a player who hits 260 with no pop but plays great defense and is a good baserunner to a guy who hits HR’s and drives in runs makes ZERO sense to me. Zero sense. Both have different values to a team.

          • John_CC

            One way to look at…is to look at a player’s overall value. Based on his overall value, i.e. can field his position – is he really good at it, average, or really bad; can he run; can he get on base; etc.

            If you only want to look at one aspect, Trumbo is really good at hitting Home Runs. Yes he is. He is good Home Run hitter. (which was the point of that article you cannot bring yourself to read, yet you can read all this crap I keep writing! lol)

          • cubtex

            as I told you. I went back and read EVERY painstaking word of that article. To say to you and Triple again. I am not a Mark Trumbo fan. I do not think he is this great great player….but my point was that he has more value to the D’Backs than what his WAR says. He give Goldy protection and another power bat(which they didn’t have at all before aquiring him)

          • John_CC

            I’m proud of you, for reading that whole article. Now don’t tell me that some of it makes sense.

          • cubtex

            I went to fangraphs and randomly picked 2 players with equal WAR who are RF. Marlon Byrd and Jay Bruce have the exact same WAR. 4.1. Are these players equal? If you built a team and wanted a RF would you not argue that 1 is better than the other?

            Marlon Byrd
            .291 Avg .336 OBP 24 HR and 88 RBI

            Jay Bruce
            .262 Avg .329 OBP 30 HR and 109 RBI

            I would argue that Bruce is also a better RF with a better arm than Byrd. Would you agree?

            This is what is ridiculous to me Marlon Byrd = Jay Bruce

          • Tony_Hall

            Marlon Byrd
            12 seasons 20.9 WAR

            Jay Bruce
            6 seasons 15.8 WAR

            Baseball reference is what I used for WAR.

            You are comparing just last year, where Byrd had a 3.7 WAR and Bruce had a 5.1 WAR and based on 1 season Byrd had almost as good of a season as Bruce, but for his career their is no comparison.

            So there is no formula that nets Byrd = Bruce.

          • John_CC

            btw, now I know you didn’t even open the link because WAR wasn’t even mentioned until the third paragraph! Shame!

          • cubtex

            tsk tsk. I did open it and skimmed it and then went back and read the entire article because you wanted me to so badly.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Let’s see if TOR Tyler Skaggs can win as many as 8 games for the Angels.
          And it won’t because they don’t have some bats: Pujols, Hamilton, Trout.

          • John_CC

            OK

          • Ripsnorter1

            There were 9 rookies in MLB to win 8 games or more in 2013.

            The Cubs’ top rookies pitcher was Rondon at 2-1.

          • Denver Mike

            Agreed … I have not been impressed with Skaggs, and didn’t want him to be a part of the Shark deal.

      • John_CC

        Since you trumpeted Trumbo’s past three years of HR/RBI totals I had to look. Then guess who I had to look at next?

        Right, Rizzo.

        Trumbo’s first full season, age 25, he hit 29 dongs and 87 HR. The rest of his offensive production was a slash of .254/.291/.477, 31 2B, and 4.8 K/BB.

        Rizzo, age 24, hit 23 HR and 80 RBI, slashed .233/.323/.419, 40 2B and 1.7 K/BB.

        Rizzo was maligned by you and many others as basically a bum. Of course I won’t mention that his superior defense at 1B to Trumbo’s liability in the OF would make up for 6 extra HR Trumbo hit…but you don’t like that stuff.

        Just perspective, ct. If Rizzo hits 25 points better on his BA and 6 more HRs next year, he is Trumbo…actually better.

        • triple

          Hahaha… I was about to post the same thing as I already looked up Rizzo’s stats after reading Ray’s comment about Trumbo’s stats and how great he would be for the D-backs. But you know that the grass is always greener opposite of Ray’s fence, and that the Yankees already are having their parade for their 2014 World Series Championship.

          • cubtex

            as John said earlier…Did you even read what I said about Trumbo? Read my comments first please.

          • triple

            You must be talking about the comments you made after I made my post?

          • cubtex

            no I wasn’t. Where did I say that Trumbo was this great player? I said he is a power bat and that is what the D’Backs need as protection for Goldy. What a need is for one team doesn’t fit every other team.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Buster Olney – Diamondbacks have offered Joba Chamberlain a one-year deal worth close to $3 million.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      $3 million is a nice chunk of change……but I am going for the $344 Million in tonight’s Mega Lottery.

  • paulcatanese

    Sandberg on the air right now, talking about Byrd hitting fifth and what they needed, wow, is he serious? Now talk about an old team.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Ken Rosenthal – Source: #Rockies acquire Brett Anderson from #Athletics for Drew Pomeranz and Chris Jensen.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Adam Kilgore – Mike Rizzo said the sense that there’s action on Storen and Clippard is “lobby talk.” He hasn’t got a real offer for either.

  • paulcatanese

    Theo will certainly hold on to the Shark. He is the only player that could bring back any kind of first tier return.
    But if he doesn’t get a boatload back (and I doubt it) it would say that Theo has to give up valued prospects to get anything besides 2nd tier players. He (Theo) has nothing else to trade.
    The Cubs are beginning to feel the effect of building at the lower level only to find out that they are the ones that he has to bring trades in.
    That is why Theo makes no trades of any importance again this year, he has nothing to trade, status quo again this year.

    • cubtex

      Doesn’t this suck so far? All these teams making a record number of trades and the Cubs have done nothing. Someone needs to tell Theo and Jed that we lost 96 games last year…..we didn’t win 96.

      • paulcatanese

        Yes it does. They really have 0 to offer other teams besides the Shark and the minor league prospects that Theo worked so hard to get. I don’t see them making a major trade period.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Teams would be interested in Castro.

          • paulcatanese

            Yes they would, but I don’t think he would even be on the block.
            Not that he shouldn’t but don’t Theo would risk that right now.
            July? maybe, just not right now.
            Baez needs a little more seasoning and then I could see it. ( at least one or the other).

      • Ripsnorter1

        As currently constructed, the Cubs’ roster looks like it will lose 100 games in 2014.

        We have less starting pitching.
        We have less offensive capabilities.
        Even our defense has declined some, in that Lake is a poorer defender than Soriano in LF,
        or even DeJesus in CF. Kotteras is less defensively than even Navarro. Kotteras has averaged
        giving up an extra 10 runs per season at C, while Navarro has saved an average of 1 run per season.

        Everything is a little bit worse than 2013.

  • Denver Mike

    I let the season ticket deadline pass on Monday without buying in. Looking at what the Cubs have done (or not done) at the meetings so far has only reinforced to me that I made the right choice. Considering all season ticket holders have now committed for next year, the FO doesn’t really have any extra incentive there to make any headlines either.

    • paulcatanese

      That’s too bad. Season ticket holders are the backbone of any club, but I understand you’re feelings and would have done the same thing if I were still around the area.
      There still is a chance that something will be done in a trade, but feel it would not nearly be enough to improve the team as they really do not have the material in players to do so without dipping into the prospect list they have compiled. I believe they will not do that and will suffer (or rather the fans will) for another year.
      I say this with the hope that they can turn this thing around in the near future, but in truth do not think they will.

  • Eugene Debs

    Did Thed Hoyerstein forget his cell phone?

    • CubbyDenCritic

      I have this feeling that the Cubs War Room at Orlando has those Mickey Mouse phones on the conference table.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    D-Backs looking at Shark’s buddy, Matt Garza.

  • Tony_Hall

    Wow, a lot of nothing going on today.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      Like the Seinfeld Show…Cubs team all about Nothing.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Just because Theo & Jed has not made a move yet, does not mean the Cubs are not making progress……….you don’t make trades just because your fans want you to…….trades are made to ….
    A – improve the MLB roster
    B – cut salary
    C – improve the farm system with prospects
    Trading Shark for Prospects will not make the Cubs win the pennant…….not in 2014……or 2015….or 2016……
    this free agency pitching is not great….especially when many of these guys were on your club one time……….Garza, Maholm, Feldman, Gregg, Baker, Marmol, Lilly, Nolasco, J Williams, Marquis, Downs, Farnsworth, Hawkins, R Hill……….there is a total of 65 wins and over 500 days of DL alone in that group…..
    Cubs will not make big trades….or sign high priced free agents……this is not the Cubs we use to know……the Ron Santo, Bruce Sutter, Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa days are over…….
    I would be shocked if more than three Cubs on 2014 Opening Day roster will be on Theo’s World Series team……long way to go………you will not be missed if you did not buy your season tickets……Theo has a plan…..no skipping steps……do not be surprise if Cubs see 100 losses in 2014……..but at least Wrigley Field will offer you curb side service on drinks to make you forget your game you just saw.

    • Ripsnorter1

      “Theo’s World Series Team”

      Ha! I don’t think there is one player on this roster that
      will be on that team, because I don’t think we are going
      to the World Series anytime soon at this pace.

  • Tony_Hall

    And a whole bunch of nothing being posted.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      with little of nothing being added by some!

      • Tony_Hall

        Yes I agree, I have skimmed over your posts.

        • CubbyDenCritic

          well at least you gained some knowledge today on my inspiring posts.

          • Tony_Hall

            Not really, I said skimmed. I barely read your posts and never past the 2nd line, but had to scroll down through a lot of them.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            I have to get a couple of Bayer aspirins just to look at yours.

          • Tony_Hall

            Then don’t look at them.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            Oh I want too…..I always say to myself…”Someday, Tony will say something meaningful”……
            it is slow with Cubs news out of Fantasyland…but it does not surprise me…..Theo is looking at the bottom of the barrel…….Astros, Twins, Mets, White Sox all improving, while Theo is looking for a #1 draft pick for the next three years in a row……
            Wait and see, MLB commissioners office will have draft picks decided with ping pong balls so the Cubs & Theo do not monopolize the Draft……..one ping ball for every game your team lost for the bottom 10 teams…..
            2014 will be like 2012…..the season will be over by June 1st.

  • SirGladiator

    That Angels trade could be great news for us. We know the Angels were one of the teams that wanted Samarja, but they didn’t have the pitching to get him. Now they do. Let’s make it happen!

    • cubtex

      Sounds like they want to add a pitcher thru free agency. They have interest in Garza.