Report: Cubs and Marlins Could Discuss Trading Prospects

According to a report from Jon Heyman, the Cubs and Marlins could discuss trading prospects this winter. Heyman points to the depth of position players and the lack of pitching in the Cubs system as the reason the two organizations might be able to work out a trade.

Heyman assumes the Marlins would be interested in Javier Baez and Kris Bryant “since they are infielders.” Heyman points out Bryant “may be nearly untouchable” but fails to mention Bryant cannot be traded this winter. And Albert Almora, being from Miami, might interest the Marlins.

According to Heyman, the Marlins have a “quite impressive” list of young pitchers in their system behind Jacob Turner, Nate Eovaldi and Henderson Alvarez. LHP Andrew Heaney (22 years old), LHP Justin Nicolino (22 years old), LHP Adam Conley (23 years old), RHP Jose Urena (22 years old) and LHP Brian Flynn (23 years old).

While the pitching prospects in the Cubs’ system are behind the position players in terms of  volume, the Cubs have better pitching prospects than they are given credit for. Plus, as Theo Epstein admitted, the front office is not naive enough to think all of the prospects are going to reach their projections. Having depth in the system and not having to depend on one or two players is a luxury the Cubs have not had in many years.

As Heyman correctly stated, trading prospects for prospects “carry a big risk.”

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  • Denver Mike

    I saw on MLB Tonight where the O’s turned down a Shelby Miller for J.J. Hardy deal. It makes me realize how much the Cards are looking for in return for young controllable pitching.

    According to the segment, Hardy leads all shortstops over the last 3 years in HR, and is tied for 1st in RBI.

    I think the Cards would be hesitant to trade with the Cubs to begin with, but considering that proposal and Castro’s drop-off I doubt Theo could even pull off Castro for Miller straight-up.

    I’m not sure I would do that deal anyways, but it would be mighty tempting. The 2 big questions I would have are “Is Castro going to return to form?” and “Why didn’t the Cards pitch Miller in the playoffs after the season he had?”

    • CubbyDenCritic

      Castro would have to bring in 3-4 high value prospects…………good shortstops are rare these days in this league……….Rockies Tulowitzski is getting old & is fragile…… and has a $118 million tag on him starting in 2015……good luck trading that contract away.

    • Ripsnorter1

      If Theo can think at all, he ought to realize that a ML SS of All-Star caliber,
      who is just 24 years old, is worth more than a single starting pitcher.

      Theo would be NUTS to trade Castro for Miller or Wacha. NUTS.

      • Vivid_Reality

        While I agree that it would be stupid to trade Castro, Miller for Castro isn’t outrageous. I think it approaches fair though I doubt Cardinal fans would agree. I’m just not willing to give up on Castro’s potential. People want to act like one bad season determines a players entire career.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        I agree…..Castro would bring far more value.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        Wacha and Miller are guys that have performed at a Cy Young projectable level at the big league level. I’d trade Castro for either plus a prospect.

        • TheWrongGuy

          No way I’d give up an EVERYDAY player AND a prospect for for a player that ONLY plays every 5 days. Sorry to disagree you here Theboardrider.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Disagree away WrongGuy, that what makes this site fun. But I meant they give us a prospect, not us give them. Castro for Wacha or Miller and a solid prospect.

            But it will never happen. Neither team will risk being haunted by the other player for the next 10 years.

            Do the deal with the Marlins, let them have Castro for like 3 of those stud pitching prospects. Bryant is untouchable…he looks like a future MVP.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Agree’d Theo will talk to other teams with-in the division but never trades potential MAJOR talent to a rival.

          • daverj

            I wouldn’t consider the listed Marlins as “stud prospects”. Their only (former) stud prospect just won the NL ROY. the guys listed may be major leaguers but I don’t think there is a future ace among them … maybe a few #3s if everything falls into place.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    If Theo traded away Baez, Bryant or Almora….Cub Nation would leave on this organization and tell Theo to stuff his Propaganda vision talk where the sun don’t shine……

    Only one I can see getting traded would be Soler……

    From Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle, the Tigers are listening trade offers for Prince Fielder.

    • Ripsnorter1

      I think many Cubs’ fans would follow Theo, like the Pied Piper, off any cliff that he leads them.

      I saw the huge parade that Bear fans gave for, ahem, Jay Cutler when he arrived in town.
      Where has Mr. Cutler lead the Bears? How many playoff wins has he brought to
      Chicago fans? Hope. Hope. Hope. Hope against hope.

      • SuzyS

        Rip…I’m not for or against Cutler…but he is a real quarterback…(something the Bears lacked for many years).
        The Bears gave Cutler no supporting O Line…or even offense for that matter…the last Three years.
        Now he is hurt, has a supporting offense with no defense.
        Where do you see any opportunity for a Supper Bowl in this scenario?

        • Ripsnorter1

          When he came to town, they hailed him as a savior.
          That was wrong.

          And the record has proven that it was wrong to hail him as a savior.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            Everyone knows Jesus Christ is the only Savior in this World…….but I don’t know if he can hit a curve ball.

          • Ripsnorter1

            He can hit the curve: He can do anything. For sure!
            : )

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Scott “Greedy” Boras is getting upset with the Ricketts for not spending $$$$$ on free agent players…

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boras-bashes-mets-cubs-astros-224840398–mlb.html
    Cubs have all this $$$$$ to spend, but rather invest it in the stadium renovation and young players……..Boras is not making money on the Cubs………maybe it is time for Theo & Ricketts to realize that Boras made too much money from past bad Cubs contracts.

    • Cubtex

      Fans don’t come to see grass,cement and seats. They come to watch players. Ricketts is not acting like a major market club. Everything Boras said is valid. What’s to argue?

      • Ripsnorter1

        Nothing. Right on zee money.

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          Boras is crazy. The Cubs are spending more money than any other franchise right now on facilities and debt. They’re trying to bring the team up the the standards that other big market teams have to play with. Once that is done we will have a top 3 payroll in baseball but they can’t do it all at once. It’s a tiered process and Wrigley, Arizona and the Caribbean are where the money is currently being spent. They’re spending as much as anyone, just not all on players. All in good time…

  • Cubtex

    I would trade Soler for a top pitching prospect. I have my doubts about him. He is the one to me who has the most question marks out of the 4. The problem the Cubs have with dealing him is that salary.

    • Ripsnorter1

      I agree big time. And you have to just love that sense of entitlement
      that Soler has.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Soler has a sense of entitlement, really?

        • Ripsnorter1

          Yes, I read that on the CCO. Tom published it. : )
          Just last week.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Thanks Rip, I appreciate you pointing it out.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Thank you for editing your post.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      A believe he is a 30-35 HR player with a low average.

      • Ripsnorter1

        If he could hit .225 and 30-35 HRs, he’ll have a MLB career.

        • CubbyDenCritic

          But would he be a better asset in a trade for a pitcher?

          • Ripsnorter1

            I don’t know how much he’ll bring right now. We’ll know more after
            2014, I would think. I’m not convinced he can hit 30 HR or even hit .225 just yet.
            He hasn’t even 400 MiL ABs. He’s not hit more than 8 HRs in a season thus far.
            Sure, he was hurt. But still, he hasn’t done it.

            If I was convinced he could hit .225 and 30-35 HRs, I’d be off of his case right now.
            But thus far, he’s proven nothing.

          • daverj

            Depends on the identity of the pitching prospect we could get in return. If it’s a Bradley, Tallion, Stephenson, Snydergaard or A Sanchez type, then it might make sense. If it’s a Heaney or Nicolino type prospect from the Marlins, I’d pass.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Scouting report on Soler:
        Relative Risk: High. High doesn’t begin to describe Soler’s risk level. Handing a teenager more than $25 million and trying to develop him in a new country and a new baseball environment is extremely risky, but the payoff could be huge.

    • TheWrongGuy

      Personally I wouldn’t trade any of them.

      1) Baez Some reports have come across that he also seems “entitled”. He also needs to prove himself in plate discipline as well as find a defensive home at the MLB level.
      2) Bryant can’t be traded now or until after the 2014 MLB draft. He is also rumor’d to be an organizational “untouchable”.
      3) Almora is tradable yet he is also projecting to be a very proven commodity of a projectable hitter and defensive CF. Almost an “untouchable”.
      4) Soler is becoming what most were scared of when he signed the big contract, “Big talk and projection and NO PRODUCTION”, as well as many other bad rumor’d things like Baez with plate discipline and giving bad looks and words with umpires. We all of course heard about his incident with anger during the season at Daytona as well.
      They are ALL baby Cubbies! =)
      And they are not even out of momma’s cave yet.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Salty: and I have to agree….

    Saltalamacchia hits free agency at a good time, still on the sunny side of 30, coming off a career-best .273/.338/.466 line, and the only catcher clearly better on the market, Brian McCann, is set to make a lot more money. Still, he’s a player who is likely to be overrated.

    He has good extra-base power, but his line was boosted by a .372 BABIP in 2013, something he’s not going to be able to do going forward. While he’s also a better defensive player than he once was, and his problems throwing are behind him, he’s still merely an adequate option behind the plate and baserunners aren’t afraid of him.

    For a team looking for a stopgap backstop, an older catcher who won’t require a long contract, such as A.J. Pierzynski or Carlos Ruiz, makes more sense.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      A.J. as a back up for the Cubs would rule the clubhouse, work with the pitchers and would make sure Castro’s head is always in the game……or Starlin would see stars.

      • Ripsnorter1

        I think you are 100% correct in that post.
        LHB would be nice. Some extra power as well. Wants to win.
        I like it.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    BREAKING CUBS NEWS>>>>>
    There will be no ice skating at Wrigley Field this winter season.
    Construction will be going on.
    No word yet from Roof Top Owners if they will sue to force the Cubs to have the ice rink open.

  • Rick Barkan

    Is this a joke. I wouldn’t trade any of our prospects even the ones mentioned.