Report: Cubs to Announce New Manager on Thursday

The search for the Cubs’ new skipper appears to be coming to an end. According to a report from Peter Gammons, the Cubs will announce who the new manager will be sometime on Thursday. Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer are meeting one final time on Wednesday to discuss the candidates and make a final decision.

All signs and reports point to Rick Renteria being named skipper of the Cubs.

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer will not be granted permission to formally speak with Torey Lovullo. Boston’s ownership and front office is sticking to the agreement made between the two clubs that Epstein would not be able to hire Red Sox employees for a certain amount of time. While it has been two years already it appears the agreement could be for at least three years that the Cubs cannot hire any current Red Sox employees, whether they were in the organization or not at the time Epstein left.

Peter Gammons reported the Tigers did not beat the Cubs “to the punch” on Brad Ausmus and the front office was “very impressed” by Eric Wedge.

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  • CubbyDenCritic

    Did I not say that the Cubs will be the last team to get their manager……..there was not much to pick from of what was left out there ……and someone from the FO / Ownership believe that Girardi was coming here when they fired Dale……….if Renteria was their man guy for the Cubs, why bother waiting for Lovullo knowing Boston would do?……or hear what Dave Martinez had to say?…or interviewing Ausmus knowing he was not a “teacher”…………..So the Cubs got their “Secret Weapon”………2014 could be different for Cubs fans……..anything can happen…….but for people like me, we know it will be back to square one with this organization on who is leading this team…….expect 90 loses again……and the arrival of Baez and a few others.
    Renteria will be making a path to that pitching mound next summer before Theo can find someone who can pitch for this team.

    • Ripsnorter1

      I think they just announce Bosio is the new manager and be done with it.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        I think it is strange that the Cubs Official website has no mention yet Renteria is their pick……or nothing in the Tribune ……….
        I wonder if the Cubs will go through another scenario like the Dempster- Braves trade or Marmol to the Angels….and this Renteria hiring falls apart.

  • CubbyDenCritic
    • Ripsnorter1

      Whoa!

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Cubs network coming soon……365/24/7……..big time $$$$$$ to buy Free Agents……..what was the Dodgers deal?………..those outfield ad signs the Cubs are putting up is just pocket money.

        • Denver Mike

          According to the article the Cubs get approximately $60M annually from Comcast and WGN for broadcasting, and the Dodgers deal is $7B over 25 years, or $280M per year. I would have to think an extra $220M per year would go a long ways towards increasing the ML payroll.

        • Ripsnorter1

          WGN was losing money on the Cubs.

          • bpot92

            I thought that was only on the radio portion of the deal, as that is why WGN opted out of that portion. It is less advertisement money in radio broadcasting than television.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Posting the report shortly, a third party hired by the Cubs and WGN determined the Cubs were not being paid very value for the games broadcast on WGN.

  • cubtex

    Boston’s ownership and front office is sticking to the agreement made
    between the two clubs that Epstein would not be able to hire Red Sox
    employees for a certain amount of time. While it has been two years
    already it appears the agreement could be for at least three years that
    the Cubs cannot hire any current Red Sox employees, whether they were in
    the organization or not at the time Epstein left.

    An agreement is an agreement. What is so hard to understand? If it said 3 years (all indications appear that is the case) Theo was 100% wrong to even approach the Red Sox about Lovullo. This is why it becomes a circus whenever the Cubs do something. It was a circus when Theo never got Dempster’s approval to trade him to the Braves before consummating the deal and to even throw Lovullo’s name out there with the verbiage in the agreement is wrong.

    • cubtex

      And now if you are Renteria and you are offered. You have to feel like you were a backup plan. “Rick, we weren’t able to get permission to talk and possibly hire Lovullo, so I guess you are the guy. How does a 2 year deal sound at 1 mil per? You will probably not make it past the 2 year deal since you obviously are being hired as a placeholder.”

      • J Daniel

        Just like many people who got a job they were not the first choice. You can’t control that you were not the first choice but you can accept if it is offered. You could choose not to accept if you are spiteful. The only person you would be harming is yourself.

      • 07GreyDigger

        How does he know he’s the backup plan. How do we know Lovullo was first choice?

        It could be that Renteria is the #1 choice and they wanted to see how Lovullo stacked up. Maybe they would’ve left the interview saying, “hey, I’m glad we’re going with Renteria, that interview solidified my position.”

        You don’t know the scenario at all.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      Didn’t I warn people about Boston and Theo…..right now, the only thing that is saving Theo is his draft picks…….Baez is a Hendry guy, so Theo has no claim on him…….what counts is what happens in the majors, not minor league wins or stats……..Theo’s picks has to produce to make this club a winner.

      • 07GreyDigger

        Or his trades/free agent signings. He acquired Travis Wood after all.

    • bpot92

      The issue most people have in this situation is :
      A) Its normally not good business for organizations to block a promotion. Usually there is at least a way to compensate after all agreements.
      B) Lovullo wasnt even in the Red Sox organization when the agreement was made. Part of the reason for the agreement is because they dont want Theo raiding the coaches and staff he worked with and knew. Lovullo was on Toronto’s staff with Farrell when the agreement was made.

      • cubtex

        did you read what Neil posted and what I copied? The Cubs cannot hire any current employees whether they were in the Red Sox organization before or not.

        • bpot92

          I understand that. Im saying thats what most people have an issue with. Personally, I’d rather have Renteria since I dont know much about Luvullo. Just because people have issues with technicalities doesnt make them correct i guess. I dont agree with denying a promotion but this isnt a typical business.

    • Denver Mike

      I personally have not read the agreement between the Sox and Cubs to determine if the wording left anything open to interpretation, which makes it difficult for anyone to understand. This is why I try to refrain from making definitive statements based on my own biases towards the FO.

      I was renting an apartment from an individual one time, and when I moved in we agreed no pets were allowed. 6 months later I started dating a girl who had a dog, and she wanted to be able to bring him with her when she stayed over. I called my landlord and explained that while I understood our agreement, I was interested in revisiting it if he was open to discussion. In the end I paid a small pet deposit (which was refunded when I left), and was allowed to have the dog over. I was never made to feel that I was wrong for approaching my landlord in that manner, and don’t believe I was.

      Let’s face it, the media is what makes a circus out of all of this, not Theo. Business deals have been renegotiated since the beginning of time, this is nothing new, but the 24 hour a day media coverage is.

      • cubtex

        There are so many good baseball people all around baseball, If I were Theo, I would want to leave (everything and anything Red Sox) in the rear view mirror. Move along. Why look for any loophole or approach them. That is my beef. Make your own legacy with the Cubs. Quit raiding the Red Sox organization.

      • John_CC

        Good analogy Mike. And on the media circus you are 100% correct. Epstein and the Cubs have not made one public statement about being denied access. Ironically, the only public statement on this issue was that Cherington said that he had never been asked for permission.

        • Sonate

          Agree with you and Denver Mike. It should be no problem to check to see if there is any way to “alter” the agreement. If not, fine. But if Dallas Green had a complete “hands-off” approach for his former employer, Ryne Sandberg might have never been a Cub!

          • cubtex

            What? Ryne Sandberg was a player trade. The Cubs did not ask for permission from Philadelphia to hire Dallas Green away and/or give compensation as well as a written agreement to not raid their personnel.

          • Sonate

            I guess I’m not making my point clear. You stated “I would want to leave (everything and anything Red Sox) in the rear view mirror.” When you said “everything and anything” that implies players too. I guess I took you too literally.

          • cubtex

            OK. Thanks for clearing that up. I meant front office people. If you have a chance to better your club, I have no problem trading players with any team(inside the division or not) I have a problem trying to raid a front office from a place you left a couple of years ago if there is a mutual agreement stating that

    • John_CC

      Ray,
      You have made your point and argued it well. My only contention is this: your constant disparaging barrage against 99% of everything Epstein says, does, is reported to have said, and rumored to have done. It just begins to weaken your arguments, particularly in this situation. You may well be correct, but your arguments are always personal and that is no way to persuade others. Maybe you don’t care about that and only want to argue and disparage, that is unfortunately what it appears.

      Case in point, to all accounts including directly from Ben Cherington, Epstein did NOT ask him permission to speak with Lovullo. It is believed that Epstein has had conversations with the Red Sox ownership and these would have been private talks about the agreement that they made 2.5 years ago. To call him classless, etc. for having a closed door, professional meeting with his former boss to feel out their stance is hardly classless or unprofessional. On the contrary, it is the opposite.

      Epstein is not go to the media throwing bombs at Henry and Lucchino. He did not try to undermine them by making it public that he asked the GM of the team to speak with one of his coaches about a possible promotion to a managerial position and was denied. Epstein did not do any of this. Yet you, and many others skewer the guy for simply going though a process of trying find and hire the very best, most capable man to be the next manager of the Cubs.
      Best regards,
      John

      • cubtex

        I don’t usually read or respond to anything you post but since you directed this one at me….I will.

        It comes down to one clear and simple issue!
        There is an agreement between the 2 clubs. Why is there any talk of Lovullo at all being even considered John? Theo should have come out publicly once the media reported that the Cubs are waiting to talk to Lovullo once the WS is over as completely false and untrue. That the Cubs and Red Sox have an agreement as to not touch any Red Sox employees. Case closed. You can slice it any way you want, but that is what it comes down to. Agreement in place. Stand by it!

        • John_CC

          Thank you for reading and replying to me.

          I answered your question in my post to you, due diligence. If Epstein did not explore every possible candidate and avenue he would not be doing his job. Why is it impossible to just acknowledge that he is trying to the very best to exhaust this process, which is to find the best possible manager for the future? You and many others constantly criticize the hiring of Sveum. Yet you now you criticize him for going above and beyond in searching for a replacement. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

          Whether you feel that Lovullo wasn’t worth it does not matter. You are allowing you personal judgement and emotion to cloud your argument.

          • cubtex

            not faulting due diligence one bit. If you are shopping for cars and you have a GM budget, is it not a waste of time to look at a Ferrari? Red Sox organization is off limits. There are a ton of great baseball people in other organizations. Lovullo was off limit and screams of a lack of disregard to a written agreement between the 2 parties. It doesn’t matter if Lovullo is worth it or not. It was an agreement. What is so hard to understand? I really don’t get the argument. We know there is an agreement but lets look for a loophole. He wasn’t part of the organization before I left, therefore it is different.(Not) It is a promotion,therefore that makes it OK. (Not) It was and still is ridiculous to have gone there.

          • John_CC

            OK, my last comment/thought on this just because I don’t want to beat it to death. But I do understand your argument and would simply like to try to get mine across one last time.

            First, no one knows what this agreement was, what was explicitly stipulated, written in stone, understood, etc. That is a fact (unless you have seen a report that I haven’t) and all the rest is speculation. Accusations based on speculation are problematic at best and dangerous at worst.

            Going on the fact that we do not know the nature of said agreement it is simply not fair to levy judgement that Epstein had crossed some sort of line. Until we know what the line was I will give benefit of doubt that he was simply exploring the options before moving forward.

            Now, if he had gone to Cherington, asked permission knowing full well that it would be an underhanded way of pressuring Henry and trying to make him look bad, then I would fully agree that is unprofessional.

            That is all. I do not think that is was “ridiculous” to privately ask the owners before officially inquiring. I assert that it actually was the ethical and professional way to handle the situation.

            Thanks for the civil conversation.

          • cubtex

            you are right. we have exhausted this topic. I hear what you are saying and you understand where I am coming from.

          • Dorasaga

            I appreciate that both of you are explaining a not obvious baseball operation that may be universally applied to work ethic. But now, wouldn’t this be irrelevant to what the Cubs will do from now? I mean, you aren’t recounting a historical story, rather an ongoing event earlier, which just died.

          • John_CC

            Yes you are correct, it is a pretty pointless topic.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Cubs & Renteria are working out a “snag” for this deal to go through………..
    Renteria wants a four year guaranteed deal……lots of $$$$$……..plus incentives……..
    Theo is pounding his head against the wall I was told.

    • Scott

      I am so glad we have your first hand knowledge of the situation to enlighten all of us Cubs fans that are continually in the dark.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        That is 105 years in the dark.
        But thanks anyway.

        • Scott

          Just letting you in on a secret…Theo isn’t responsible for those 105 years.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            How about those two 90 plus loss seasons that Theo was here for?…….
            How about hiring of Dale Sveum?
            How about the Dempster Altanta trade fiasco?
            How about the Marmol – Angels trade failure?
            How about hanging on Bryan LaHair too long?
            How about the Edwin Jackson signing?
            How about Ian Stewart?

          • Rational Logic

            How about the Marshall/Wood trade?
            What about the Sveum hiring? You think the team lost 90 games because of Dale Sveum?
            What about the complete overhaul of the farm system?
            What about a sample size of more than 1 year for Edwin Jackson?
            How did Haren do this year?
            How about the international signings?
            How about the Feldman deal?
            How about the Navarro deal?
            How about the Rizzo trade?

            How about running the most profitable franchise in baseball? If you’re gonna blame Theo for anything and everything, may as well give him credit for something someone else implemented as well.

            You better not say a word when this team and organization are doing well after the REBUILD. How incredibly dense of an argument to make on small sample sizes and only pulling favorable examples. Look at the big picture, that’s Theo’s job. Nobody thought the team would be a 100 team winner in less than 3-4 years.

            Go write on an ESPN blog where your short shortsighted, poorly research arguments belong. This is why I can admit, as a die-hard Cubs fan, that I hate Cubs fans.

          • Rational Logic

            I guess we should just bring back Hendry so we can cripple the farm team and go for short term, high risk gains (and fail) at the expense of long term benefits as an organization. Your call.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            So far the Marshall / Wood trade work for the Cubs…..but the other two players are gone…..
            Rizzo / Cashner…..jury still out
            Feldman trade…..looking good so far…..
            Dempster trade…..jury still out
            Maholm trade……if Vizcaino fails to get healthy, bad trade for the Cubs…..
            International signings…jury still out…….will take years to know if 16 year old kids can be major leaguers……
            Can I add the Concepcion signing ?…..
            Yes, Dale was part of the problem for 90 plus losses…..
            If you think Dale was not the problem, then why have a Manager!…..put a Monkey on the dugout bench……at least he can give all of us some laughs when on WGN.

          • Rational Logic

            Yes, the jury is still out on nearly everything Theo has done. To nitpick is missing the point. You want someone at the top of the organization who can build it for the long term, through developing a strong farm system and beginning, in earnest, a rebuild (check) and one who makes overall good decisions given the information at hand, such as trading veterans for high upside prospects and ridding burdensome contracts (check). Of course there will be both failures and achievements within those moves as the success of a player is not known at the time of the deal. Overall, Theo has stuck to his game plan and has the organization going in a very, very good direction. That, my friend, is nonnegotiable, and the only way to judge the FO.

    • RynoTiger

      your sources are incorrect. It’s a 3 year deal and the incentives are not an issue because the deal has already been signed.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Source?

        • RynoTiger

          so the reports out are that it’s a 3 year contract…hmm…looks like my sources were right

    • Rational Logic

      I spoke with your source, and I heard it was also about the incentives. I think Renteria only wants to run out 8 players per game, but the Cubs are holdings steady with 9, with a maximum of 2 double switches a game.

      • 07GreyDigger

        Hilarious!