Are the Red Sox Keeping the Cubs from Talking to Torey Lovullo?

The Cubs’ front office was expected to ask for and be granted permission by the Red Sox to formally speak with Torey Lovullo about their managerial vacancy. Multiple reports have suggested the Cubs were waiting for the Red Sox season to conclude in order to talk to Lovullo before moving forward with hiring a new manager.

Ken Rosenthal reported on Sunday that the Cubs would be talking to Lovullo early this week about the job but a report from Rob Bradford later in the day indicated that the Red Sox had not received calls about any of the coaches currently on John Farrell’s staff. Bradford’s report was confirmed by Ben Cherington during a press conference on Monday. Cherington said “that no team has requested permission to speak to Lovullo or any of Boston’s coaches.”

The delay in the Cubs speaking with Torey Lovullo could be over the agreement between the two teams in October of 2011 when Theo Epstein left the Red Sox to become President of Baseball Operations for the Chicago Cubs.

The agreement, at the time, was thought to be that Epstein would not “raid” Boston’s front office in order to improve the Cubs’ staff. Multiple reports two years ago stated the Red Sox would not stand in the way of a current employee leaving the Sox for the Cubs if it was clearly a better opportunity, in other words a promotion. It was unknown at the time, and still is, how long the agreement was between the two teams that the Cubs could not pursue a Red Sox employee, but it was thought to be three years.

According to a report from Ken Rosenthal, the Red Sox are sticking to the agreement reached more than two years ago and are “balking at the idea of Lovullo interviewing with the Cubs” even though he was not employed by the Red Sox when the agreement was reached.

When Theo Epstein left Boston to take the Cubs’ job, Torey Lovullo was on John Farrell’s staff in Toronto. Lovullo was not an employee of the Boston Red Sox. According to Rosenthal, the Red Sox “apparently are going by the letter of the agreement” and “it will come down to ownership” if they will allow Lovullo to interview for the job. Rosenthal added Boston’s ownership could make a “concession” or perhaps a “special arrangement” could be reached between the two teams.

Jon Heyman reported the Cubs “have been denied permission to ask about Lovullo’s availablity” for now.

Theo Epstein put a loose deadline of Nov. 11 of having their new manager in place.

Stay tuned for updates from the Cubs’ Skipper Search

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  • CubbyDenCritic

    Looks like I am right again!

    • daverj

      I almost never give down arrows, but this comment is well deserving of one …

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Why?………I said days ago this might happen……..we were dealing with Theo’s ex-employer…..
        maybe your down arrow is out of frustration & bitterness that I was not wrong on my prediction coming true.
        No doubt your bias on my baseball knowldge is showing.

        • daverj

          It was the “again” part. Go back and check your posts throughout the year, particularly around the trade deadline. Many of your thoughts and predictions turned out wrong.

          Additionally, many posters on CCO have been right about various predictions … yet I don’t see the others gloating because they got one right.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            hey, if you hit one time in Vegas big…..You are a Winner.

          • daverj

            You got a laugh out of me with that post. Well done.

            Note – I didn’t give you the down arrow on that one.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            It is just my baseball experience that I rely on.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    The list of wanted Prospects/Players by Cherington will be one of the following……
    Alcantara
    Vogelbach
    Ramirez
    Edwards
    Russell
    T Wood
    and Theo will counteroffer a list of…..
    L Castillo
    Ha
    Dolis
    Parker
    Raley
    and then Bud Selig will get involved.

    • bpot92

      I just have a feeling the cubs would hire someone like Renteria before they gave up anyone on the first list. This isnt a proven manager we are talking about here. Even then, its a marginal prospect at best. Look at what we gave up for Theo, a top 20 prospect from a poor system that hasnt done much that I know of.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        I would not give squat to the Red Sox…..end of discussion……we move on…….
        Red Sox Nation still bitter it seems.

        • bpot92

          I agree. If they ask for compensation, I would move on to Renteria or another candidate.

          • CubbyDenCritic

            Renteria might take the Seattle job ……King Felix……West Coast…….

  • Josh Man

    This is clearly a promotion, and therefore the Red Sox shouldn’t be standing in the way at all. Ultimately nothing will come of this, because to keep an employee from talking to another team about a promotion is a good way to get people to decide they don’t want to work for your organization. The Red Sox are putting a little pressure on the Cubs because they’re still sore about Theo leaving, but ultimately they’ll let the interview happen, and the Cubs will make the decision between him and Renteria.

  • Eugene Debs

    When I was reading this, all I could hear in my head was Yakety Sax music.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    So lets say Lovullo cannot talk with the Cubs…….and Theo is not giving a Prospect up to the Red Sox if they asked for one…….what then !
    Within 48 hours ( By Wednesday night) Cubs will announce a press conference on Thursday for their new manager ……..Renteria or Hinch…..
    or……..
    new search begins………….Loyld McClendon ?…….Tim Wallach?……..Joey Cora?
    or…………
    Cubs name Bosio as Manager for now……..
    or………
    Theo can ask me to be the new manager and I have this team in the playoffs in 2015……..Puedo hablar Espanol.

  • cubtex

    Move on. Who is Lovullo anyways? An unproven candidate like several other candidates around baseball. Go with someone else.

    • daverj

      Agreed on all points.

  • jtrain23

    Wow. Perhaps I stand corrected. This would be unheard of and could risk alienating Lovullo in regards to the Sox. I definitely would give up nothing to get permission to interview him, however.

    • John_CC

      I agree. I said that they wouldn’t stand in Lovullo’s way also because it is petty and unprofessional. But I also was not thinking about some nebulous agreement about “raiding” employees that no one really knows. If that is the reason, then asking for compensation has nothing to do with it.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    This manager’s search is becoming into a Soap Opera……
    Why does every matter seem to be so difficult for this club to accomplish?…..
    Theo needs to end this search soon…….if Renteria is the guy, we will know by tomorrow…..if not, then a new list of managers will pop up……..Theo will not get involved with another mess with his ex-team………maybe Lovullo can come back for an interview in 2016……..
    I said earlier this was going to happen with Boston……it is nothing but a shake down by Cherington………
    Lovullo can take the Seattle job……or stick with Boston for another run for the Championship……not his fault what Cherington wants…………
    Theo will have to re-think his plan ……..once again.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    I like to thank Theo & Jed for reaching out to ex-Cub Henry Blanco…….all of you will soon hear the news about Henry.

  • daverj

    Hypothetically: Samardzija for Skaggs and Delgado … which GM hangs up? Or is there a deal?

    • CubbyDenCritic

      I’ll take that deal if this was November 2015……but Theo can get more next July. We still have two more full seasons left with Shark.
      But right now, Theo has to deal with the Manager’s issue.
      Shark can wait.

    • TheWrongGuy

      That is realistic IMO.
      But I believe Theo hangs-up first.
      During trade talks prior to the 2013 trade deadline.
      Supposedly Theo and Kevin Towers(Arizona GM) were in trade talks about Samardzija. Theo asked for Bradley AND Skaggs and Towers walked away.
      I don’t know if or how much the asking price has dropped for Samardzjia. I do feel they will trade him this off-season.

      • daverj

        I assume Bradley would be a non-starter for Arizona … even straight-up for Shark.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Bears winning…….Cubs trade talk happening…..what can go wrong?
    oh yeah, I forgot…….no manager yet.

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  • John_CC

    I learned this little quirk from my father. When he gets a new magazine he starts at the beginning and turns one page at a time, if it is an advertisement on both sides of the page, he tears is out and keeps paging through. It gets rid of the clutter.

    I really like the little (-) button that appears at the upper right of each post. I can scroll down through the string of comments and “rip out” the filler so I can read the content.