Cubs Reportedly Listening to Offers for Jeff Samardzija, Could Shop at Winter Meetings

The Cubs are listening to offers for Jeff Samardzija and according to the Sun-Times, there is an expectation in the industry that the Cubs will trade Jeff Samardzija this winter.

The front office would like to sign Jeff Samardzija to a long-term, team friendly contract, but the two sides are not thought to be close on an agreement. And if the two camps cannot agree to a deal soon, the Cubs could trade Samardzija in order to maximize his value.

The Diamondbacks and Nationals are two of the teams with reported interest in Samardzija but there figures to be a rather long line of teams willing to acquire Samardzija if he is indeed available.

Kevin Towers is thought to be very high on Samardzija and he has been trying to add him to Arizona’s rotation since last July. And teams that are not able to land Masahiro Tanaka, David Price, Matt Garza or Max Scherzer, if the Tigers make him available, might turn to Samardzija as a way to strengthen their rotation.

Samardzija is under team control for two more seasons and is willing to go year to year with the Cubs instead of signing an extension. Plus, Samardzija would like to see a commitment from the team they are trying to win before he signs a deal that will not include a no-trade clause.

Gordon Wittenmyer reported “two years into the Epstein-Jed Hoyer Era, the perception is creeping throughout the game that the Cubs are more Tampa Bay Rays than Los Angeles Dodgers – without the winning percentage of either to show for it.” Wittenmyer spoke with a long-time National League GM that said if the Cubs trade Samardzija they are saying they are not trying to win.

The Cubs believe in Samardzija’s ability, even coming off an inconsistent season. Samardzija has the stuff and 200-inning, 200-strikeout pitchers are not easy to come by. Samardzija is on record stating he would like to stay, and win, with the Cubs.

Jeff Samardzija was 8-13 with a 4.34 ERA and a 1.35 WHIP in a career-high 33 starts last season. In 213 2/3 innings, Samardzija gave up 210 hits with 214 strikeouts and 78 walks.

Jed Hoyer told MLB.com that the Cubs see Jeff Samardzija as part of the team’s future.

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  • Vivid_Reality

    Not really related to the article but at what price does Matt Kemp become attractive for the Cubs? He currently has 6 years and 128 million left on his deal. I know the front office doesn’t anticipate making any large increases in salary but Kemp could be a great reclamation project at the right price. 6 years and 100 million is where my interest is peaked. I wouldn’t be wiling to give up a good prospect at that price but I would be willing to listen.

    • TheWrongGuy

      Matt Kemp is for sure attractive. We also need more offense in the line-up. The contract is NOT looking good with Kemp’s injury history.

      Also if I’m trading the best starting pitcher on my pitching staff I am damn sure I WILL be getting a starting pitcher in return, preferably YOUNG starting pitcher. I am not sure what your “Vivid_Reality” is but that is mine. =)

    • Tony_Hall

      That is an extremely tough one to know what is the right price. But with his injury history, even 6 years $100M is high and hard to say there is surplus value. Without any value in the contract, you can’t give up much in players to trade for him. Dodgers are going to have a hard time making a deal work with Kemp. Plus, in 2014 Kemp turns 30 already, with 5 years still left on his contract.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Pretty expensive part time player.
        Soriano was much healthier and safer risk.

        • Tony_Hall

          Not in 2009, 2010, 2011. All the Soriano talk seems to forget just how bad he was in those years.
          Players can bounce back, you just have to wonder what they did to make that happen. Look at Marlon Byrd’s bounce back as well, hard to explain and even harder to expect it to happen in their mid-30’s.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Marlon’s bounce back is the easiest thing in the world to explain.

            He’s just like Albert Pujols and Barry Bonds.

            It’s easy, man.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Amen brother.

          • cubtex

            Soriano

            2010 .258 Avg .322 OBP 24 HR and 79 RBI

            2011 .244Avg .289 OBP 26 HR and 88 RBI

            Remember those stats. Those would be what I imagine Anthony Rizzo’s numbers to look like. He will have a little higher OBP but Avg HR and RBI will be comparable.

          • Tony_Hall

            If Rizzo puts up those numbers, he is still more valuable then Soriano with his Gold Glove caliber defense at 1B.

            Plus those numbers are better in today’s game, as they rank much higher on the HR list then in 09 and 10

            2013 10th place was 32 HR’s
            Only 2 players over 36

            2009 – 10th was 36
            2010 – 10th was 32 (6 over 36)

            Not as many HR’s happening across MLB

            2009 – 5042
            2010 – 4613
            2011 – 4552
            2012 – 4934
            2013 – 4661

          • cubtex

            trying to justify and come up with a disclaimer because of how accurate those numbers will compare to Rizzo. lol

          • Tony_Hall

            Context is important.

          • cubtex

            another defintion for you. I think I will still be a couple behind you after this one.

            Disclaimer. The denial, refusal, or rejection of a right, power, or responsibility. A disclaimer is a defensive measure, used generally with the purpose of protection .

          • Tony_Hall

            I am sure you remember my “disclaimer” I wrote awhile back.

          • cubtex

            no I don’t. but that is what you are doing with Rizzo. Yes he could have similar numbers….BUT

          • Tony_Hall

            I have to run, I will look it up sometime and re-post it.

            So be it on the Rizzo disclaimer, it is just realistically speaking.

          • Tony_Hall

            It was easier to find then I thought.

            DISCLAIMER

            Of course this is just my opinion, regardless of any chance that the info is actually factual, or has basis from info readily available on the internet from reputable sources or direct quotes of actual Cubs FO personal, the statements stated here are the just the opinions of one Tony Hall, who has strong opinions, which are not a reflection of the opinions of The Chicago National League ballclub, or Chicago Cubs Online and should not be relied upon as as actual statements made by the FO when making out your future lineup cards.

            http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2013/07/travis-wood-is-an-all-star-and-other-cubs-news-and-rumors.php#.UoT7kRqUQ3w

          • paCubsfan23

            Well, if Soriano was paid $15 million less per year, those numbers would be fine.

    • Ripsnorter1

      Here’s a great article for you to consider concerning Matt Kemp:

      Five players to avoid this winter
      Their names are attached to lots of rumors, but hope that your club stays away
      Updated: November 13, 2013, 7:35 AM ETBy Dan Szymborski

    • JimBo_C

      On a similar note, at what price does Andre Ethier become attractive to the Cubs?

      • Ripsnorter1

        Look at my post below on Matt Kemp. This quote: “$38 million for Ethier.”
        And that’s if you acquire him for free.

        • Tony_Hall

          That is how much the Dodgers would have to eat, saying the acquiring team would pay the difference from his $71M owed, or $33M cost to the team.

          Ethier will be 32 in April and has 4 years guaranteed and a $2.5M buyout for 2018.

          The Dodgers better get good at unloading large contracts, they will be doing a lot over the next 5 years.

          • cubtex

            maybe they can call Theo for advice?

        • JimBo_C

          Working with Tony’s numbers listed below … paying 10 million a year for 4 years (and throwing in a serviceable player) might be a good price for a 32 year old lifetime .290 LH hitter that could/should give you about 20 bombs and 80 ribbies per year.

          • Tony_Hall

            Ethier could be a fit being a good OBP guy as well.

            And he would be only $8M at those numbers, which is Marlon Byrd range nowadays.

      • mutantbeast

        NO thanks. Ethier is a slighty better version of Nate S, with a much more expensive contract. Platoon splits are atrocoius, cant hit lefties.

        • cubtex

          Talk about a poor contract! What does he do extremely well? He is an average player with average pop and production. I know they Dodgers would have to eat a lot of this contract…but what were they thinking? At least Soriano has pop and can drive in runs.

          Andre Eithier’s contract

          2014 15.5 mil
          15 18 mil
          16 18 mil
          17 17.5 mil

    • mutantbeast

      Any bets for starters the LAD will ask for Oh, Baez and Soler?

      • Vivid_Reality

        They can ask all they want. All they’d be getting is a marginal prospect and a lot of salary relief.

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  • Ripsnorter1

    Michael Morse vs Nelson Cruz: “the PED twins.”

    Both have an ISO (Isolated Power) of 22% (between Excellent and Great). The similarities don’t end there, of course. Both are physically built like linebackers. Both are right-handed power hitters.
    Both are injury-prone, spending parts of nearly every season of their career on the disabled list. Neither are particularly good defenders or baserunners, and accumulate almost all of their damage at the plate. Both have been suspended for using PEDs. Both are on the wrong side of 30 and are headed to the decline phase of their careers.

    • mutantbeast

      Id consider Cruz on a 2 yr contract. BTW, Cruz is Soriano lite, streaky as they come. When hot, he hits everything. When cold, hes sub-zero.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Isn’t this a telling quote?

    “Wittenmyer spoke with a long-time National League GM that said if the Cubs trade Samardzija they are saying they are not trying to win.”
    And it came right out of this article.

    • Tony_Hall

      Wittenmeyer hates the Cubs.

      If he means they are not trying to win the World Series in 2014, stop the presses GDub finally has a scoop!

      • Ripsnorter1

        If I take his quotes with a grain of salt, I also have to take Mr. Hall’s PR posts
        with a grain of salt, too. : )

        Personally, I think Shark has great stuff, but so does Edwin Jackson.
        Both underperform their stuff due to control and mental approach.
        SO which one do you keep?
        Answer: the one you can’t trade.

        Let some GM overpay for the Shark now before the world realizes,
        “Hey, this stiff is Edwin Jackson.”

        • Tony_Hall

          I didn’t say not to read him or see what he says, just realize he is the more pessimistic version of Ray!

          • cubtex

            hahaha. Don’t confuse realistic with pessimistic. Don’t confuse gullible with optimism.

          • Tony_Hall

            Realistic is a word you and other hide behind. You think you can take the most negative outlook on everything and call it realistic, unfortunately that is pessimistic.

            Fortunately for you, you get more time to be “right” and in general, with baseball, if you take the most pessimistic view, you will be right more often, as baseball is a game of failure. Even if you were a Cardinal fan, with a pessimistic view on what they are doing (they have guys just like you that are “fans” of the Cardinals) even they are right more then they are wrong, even with the Cardinals winning so often. Not my idea of a fun way to be a fan of a team.

          • cubtex

            who’s hiding? The Cubs have had the 2 worst seasons in Chicago Cub history under your boy. Fact or realistic. You like to post definitions for words so I will help you out.

            re·al·is·tic (r -l s t k). adj. 1. Tending to or expressing an awareness of things as they really are: She gave us a realistic appraisal of our chances. 2. Of or relating …

          • Tony_Hall

            Figure of speech….

            I don’t believe I have said that these last 2 season or 2014 are playoff caliber teams.

            FACT: JH was only a few moves away in 2011 and 2012 and added to the team to make runs at the playoffs.

            2010 75-87
            2011 71-91

            Both years I was realistic that they would not be going to the playoffs, just like the last 2, yet instead of maximizing a return on players who are all gone know, JH kept adding to it. If JH had started this instead of Theo, we would already be back to a team trying to make the playoffs, and he may still have his GM job :)

          • cubtex

            kind of like what the Dodgers are doing with more payroll? Big Market team and they made the playoffs this year and I won’t bet against them next year. Not with Kershaw,Greinke and Ryu anchoring their staff.

          • Tony_Hall

            You know as well as I do, that the Dodgers already have to dump players who have large contracts. They are going to have a empty farm system in a few years and be dependent on FA to fill their team. It will keep them competitive, but their best chance to win the World Series is right now. They have to go all in.

        • cubtex

          of course….on both points.lol

        • paCubsfan23

          Agreed.

      • Cubtex

        He doesn’t hate the Cubs. He thinks Theo is only a legend in his own mind. He believes many of the sane things I do. Theo is doing a small market rebuild that is not extraordinary. Wittenmeyer doesn’t understand why Theo isn’t putting a better product on field while rebuilding.

        • Tony_Hall

          Maybe you are both the same level of pessimistic then :)

          • cubtex

            don’t take being critical of your boy’s plan so personally. Realistic is not pessimistic. Agreeing with everything being done without disagreeing or having a different view is not optimistic. Some would call that being intoxicated on Theo Kool Aid to the point of being incoherent.

          • Tony_Hall

            Where was I taking it persoanlly?

            I don’t agree with everything being done, I just don’t knock the things I don’t agree with on a daily basis.

          • John_CC

            The “your boy” thing is a loaded and combative phrase. Even if you are speaking directly with Tony here, you are also speaking indirectly to all of us that have this difference of opinion with you. So I take offense to it. Please stop. Thank you.

          • cubtex

            sorry if that offended you. It was directed to Tony and only Tony as if we are having a one on one conversation in a bar.

          • Tony_Hall

            I’ll buy the 1st round! With cold air sneaking in and that white stuff already appearing, I might want to have that conversation at your neighborhood bar.

          • cubtex

            just FYI….It is a good thing you don’t have television, because Tony Kornheiser jokes with Mike Wilbon all the time referring to people that Wilbon likes as “Your Boy”

          • John_CC

            It is a good thing. No television helps keep my blood pressure down. :0

    • 07GreyDigger

      Just a question for you on Samardzija, hypothetical. If he wanted Verlander money, would you trade him or pony up?

      I get the feeling Samardzija’s camp knows the cubs need pitching and they’re inflating his value for an extension. What would you do in that scenario?

      • John_CC

        If his camp was dumb enough to use Verlander as a comp then I think they should and would laugh at them and let him go.

        I’m torn with Samardzija. On the one hand 200 K and 200 IP is impressive. But the WHIP is really bad. So yeah, he is an elite strikeout pitcher, but the rest of his game needs a lot of improvement.

        • 07GreyDigger

          He sounds like Zambrano, minus the gatorade cooler punching and crotch grabbing.

          • Tony_Hall

            Look back at Zambrano’s numbers, he had many great years.

      • TheWrongGuy

        Here’s an interesting take on Samardzija from a Peter Gammons though this may have been posted before:
        From what I gather from this read is Samardzija probably has more value and upside than many believe or want to believe.

        http://www.gammonsdaily.com/chicago-cubs-the-future-of-jeff-samardzija/

      • Ripsnorter1

        Let’s compare Verlander’s stats with the Shark and see what we think:

        Verlander: career ERA=3.41
        Shark: career ERA = 4.19

        W-L record: Verlander = 137-77, .640 winning percentage vs. 29-35. .453 %

        K’s per 9 IP: Verlander, career = 8.9 vs. Shark, career =9.0 (pretty close)

        BB per 9 IP: Verlander, career = 3.1 vs Shark, career = 3.3 (fairly close)

        H per 9 IP: Verlander, career = 8.7 vs. Shark, career = 8.8 (fairly close)

        HR per 9 IP: Verlander, career = 0.8 vs. Shark, career = 1.1

        No question that Shark has great stuff, and, if he could just get a little better control
        without any lapse of concentration, he would be a Justin Verlander. Verlander has a better idea of
        how to pitch, and his control is just good enough to be a full run lower in the ERA.

        Would I pay him Verlander money? NO. But if he takes the next step up, he’d be worth more dough.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Those Arizona Fall League stats are not perfect indicators of future MLB performance.

    Here’s a great article:
    http://www.obstructedview.net/minor-leagues/do-arizona-fall-league-afl-stats-mean-anything.html

    Look at the top AFL hitter of
    2006=Chip Canon. Out of baseball and never made it to MLB>
    2007: Sam Fuld at .402. He can’t hit .200 in MLB.
    2008 = Tyler Flower at .385. He can’t hit .200 in MLB.
    2009=Colin Curtis at .397. He can’t hit .200 in MLB.
    2010 =Dustin Ackley at .424. He hit .245 and slugged just .354 at 1B and doesn’t deserve to
    be in MLB with 1324 PA. Awful bat for a 1B.

    • Tony_Hall

      Of course they are not. Short sample size, players working on things. You have to scout the player, more then the stats. But this is the case in all of minor league baseball.

    • Tony_Hall

      Also, Ackley was a 2B and then moved to the OF.
      He has only played 79 innings at 1b, Where he has 2441 innings at 2B, 495 innings in the OF.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Let me be on the record for this prediction….
    When Shark gets traded, the prospect return will be larger & better then the Garza trade……AND…….those prospects will be “Key” players helping us to a World Series title.

    • Tony_Hall

      I don’t think any of that is questionable, especially if he is traded this off-season or before the trade deadline in 2014.

  • jtrain23

    I don’t believe that trading Shark means that the Cubs are “not trying to win”. I think you could make that argument based on other decisions by the Cubs, but I do not believe that having him makes us very much more competitive this year.

    • 07GreyDigger

      It really depends on what they get back I think. If they turn him around for a young pitching prospect who is major league ready and some other usable parts, yes. But if they take 10 cents on the dollars than that will be accurate.

      People can dump on Theo all they want, but he took this job to win the WS and be a legend in baseball. Pure and simple. Not to lose and get fired.

      • Ripsnorter1

        SO far he’s given us the worst two years in Cubs’ 143 year history.
        So don’t expect me to sing his praises just yet.

        • paCubsfan23

          I’d argue these past 2 seasons are more Hendry’s fault than Theo’s. They were JH’s players and contracts suffocating the MLB team.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Shark & his agent have hid what he is asking for from the Cubs……is Shark holding back to see what this winter F/A signings will be?……I said earlier that Shark will look for something in the $150 million range…..no doubt Shark will test the market.

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    200 innings and 200 strikeouts don’t necessarily translate to a winning record, consistent quality starts, or a WAR justifying a long-term extension. Just my 3 cents, but I hope Shark and his mullet are gone before Opening Day.

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