Yankees Won’t Allow the Cubs to Speak with Girardi

According to a report from Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News, the Yankees will not grant the Cubs permission to talk to Joe Girardi about managing the team if they ask. Feinsand reported the Yankees are not willing to give the Cubs a chance to lure Girardi away “while they are trying to hammer out a new deal to retain the manager.”

Reports Wednesday night and early Thursday morning suggested the Cubs are prepared to make Joe Girardi one of the two, if not the highest paid manager in all of baseball, and will not let the Yankees outbid them. But the Cubs cannot officially speak with Girardi until November 1 because he is under contract until the end of the month. A report from the Sun-Times indicated the Cubs have been communicating with Girardi through back channels.

Andrew Marchand reported on Thursday afternoon that he expects a decision from Girardi shortly, maybe by this weekend, and he confirmed the Yankees “are hesitant to grant Girardi permission” to talk with the Cubs while he is under contract.

Cubs Roster

The Cubs claimed Mat Gamel off waivers from the Milwaukee Brewers on Thursday and added him to a long list of players on the 60-day DL. Gamel is recovering from a torn ACL and spent the season on the disabled list. Gamel was rated as the third best prospect in the Brewers system prior to the 2010 season and many thought he would have a very good big league career before injuries derailed his career.

With the addition of Gamel, the Cubs now have seven players on their roster currently on the 60-day DL. The Cubs’ 40-man roster stands at 40 players and the deadline to reinstate players from the 60-day DL is five days after the conclusion of the World Series.

The Cubs will have decisions to make on Gamel, Rafael Dolis, Zach Putnam and Thomas Neal. Matt Guerrier is on the 60-day DL but is set to become a free agent. Guerrier said in August that he would like to re-sign with the Cubs in the off-season and knows he would have to ink a minor league deal with an invite to big league camp in order to work his way onto the roster.

Kyuji Fujikawa and Arodys Vizcaino will be reinstated from the 60-day DL.

As soon as the final out of the World Series is made, the Cubs figure to have six spots open up on the 40-man roster. Eligible players become free agents at the conclusion of the Fall Classic and the Cubs currently have six players on the active roster that will hit the open market this off-season … Scott Baker, Kevin Gregg, Dioner Navarro, Donnie Murphy, Darnell McDonald and Ryan Sweeney.

Before the coaching change, the Cubs were thought to be interested in bringing back Scott Baker, Dioner Navarro and Ryan Sweeney.

Dave McKay

Dave McKay spoke with ESPN Chicago about being fired on Monday when the Cubs’ front office let go of Dale Sveum and his coaching staff. The front office is expected to recommend that the new manager consider McKay for one of the spots on his coaching staff.

McKay said the news about the change in manager came as a surprise and he was “pretty much crushed” for Dale Sveum. McKay liked the effort that Sveum gave and said he feels bad for him because “he put his heart and soul into this thing.” McKay thinks Sveum will have the opportunity to call the shots for another big league team.

Dave McKay said he would listen to the Cubs if they call and is open to returning.

Arizona Fall League

The AFL season begins on Tuesday, October 8, and the Cubs announced on Thursday that Lendy Castillo had been added to the Mesa Solar Sox’s roster and replaces Arodys Vizcaino. The Cubs decided to have Vizcaino pitch in the Fall Instructional League so they could monitor his rehab better than they would have been able to in the AFL.

Lendy Castillo joins fellow hurlers Dallas Beeler, Matt Loosen and Armando Rivero as representatives of the Cubs’ system along with Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler and Wes Darvill.

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  • TheWrongGuy

    Good Report Neil!
    Thanks for the update via the Girardi watch. =)
    I hope McKay returns via the new manager he’s an awesome coach.
    Looks like 1 to 3 roster spots might be open when the off-season starts after the fall classic. I hope one of those spots gets filled by Navarro.

  • jtrain23

    So, I know it is very easy to over analyze developments such as this one. However, is it possible that the Yankees are coming out with this bold statement because they have some fear that Girardi is going to bolt and listen to what Team Theo has to say?

    I know he is under contract until November, and the Yankees in no way have to allow him to talk to other teams. You wouldn’t think they would be making such brash statements unless there was at least some anxiety, however. Oh well. I guess we will wait and see.

    • Brp921

      I think they want Girardi to be able to mull over their offer and reflect a little bit on his past years with the Yankees before having an offer from the Cubs to consider. Why else would they not give their permission? It’s not like he doesn’t know the Cubs are interested and will just sign with them.

      • Dorasaga

        Or maybe Steinbrenner Jr. will love to throw away time, money, and maybe even the manager just to sue the Ricketts?

    • Ripsnorter1

      It’s real simple: Why would the Yanks let another team come into
      the picture to bid against them? It will just cost them time, money, and
      maybe even the manager. If I were the Yanks, I wouldn’t allow it either.

      And if the Cubs are speaking to Girardi via back channels, as reported
      above, and I could muster some proof, I’d sue the Cubs.

      This is simply good business.

      • J Daniel

        The only problem with that, Rip, is that they all speak through the back channels and they themselves could be sued at some point as well.

    • J Daniel

      If we take how TR landed Theo as a learning opportunity, one would believe that if given permission they will land him.

  • Tony_Hall

    I don’t get why contracts have an end date, shouldn’t it be when your team gets eliminated?

    Either way, this means we should have an idea based on if Joe isn’t signed very soon to be back with the Yankees, he is going to wait until the beginning of November so he can talk to the Cubs. I don’t see how this is a smart move for the Yankees, especially if Joe asked for permission himself in his meeting with Cashman.

    • BosephHeyden

      It’s a bit of brilliant marketing, if I do say so. If Girardi wasn’t wanted in New York, they’d have cut him at the end of the season, obviously, but then the Cubs likely wouldn’t be all that interested in him. Instead, two cities without teams in the playoffs (both of which happen to be big market teams) still have reasons to care about baseball in a way that doesn’t relate to steroids. New York fans want to know if they can still get whatever they want. Chicago fans want to know if Girardi will make it to November.

      Since most fans aren’t also message board regulars like us, they don’t have this type of source for “insider” baseball information. So, they’re still watching ESPN for snippets of news, but what better place to hear about baseball and baseball news than 2-3 hours of nothing but baseball during the playoffs, where the announcers are supposedly neutral and will talk about baseball happenings in general as much as they would the game itself?

      It’s likely not their ultimate goal here, and the contracts ending November 1st is probably mostly related to the end of their fiscal year or something, but I’m sure baseball thought this part through a bit as well (not this particular coaching move, but coaching and player situations such as this).

      • Dorasaga

    • Ripsnorter1

      Possibly the end date is set to allow WS winners to debrief
      with the GM about next year’s roster. It also clearly sets an end date
      so that their can be no legal argument about it all.

    • J Daniel

      I posted the same yesterday in that we will have a good idea in the next day or two. If Joe does not sign, he is interested in listening to the Cubs.

    • 07GreyDigger

      I thought the contract end date was to make sure that nothing affected the baseball playoffs. I know that Selig doesn’t want anyone taking away from the drama of the longest playoffs in professional sports.

      • Josh Man

        Those don’t start until April.

    • Larry Schwimmer

      I think the negotiation will be very simple. Yankees are offering 3 years @ $5 mil per year versus (what Girardi’s agent has been told…which is that the CUBS will offer 5 years @ $5 mil per year). I think Girardi would rather live the next 5 years in Chicago managing the CUBS and trying to make them a world champion.

      Believe me…the Yankees know the deal that the CUBS are offering. That’s why there’s no need to go back and forth. This is a very simple, straightforward negotiation.

      So…I think it will come down to Joe deciding which city and club he wants and then either the Yankees bow to his demands or Joe walks and sits down with the CUBS to work out their deal.

      I think that’s why the Yankees see no reason to let him speak to the CUBS. What would be the point? Either the they come to terms or he’ll no longer manage in NY and he’ll be free to talk to the CUBS because the Yankee opportunity will be dead.

      Does that sound like a likely scenario?

      • triple

        I just don’t think the Yankees will turn Girardi away if it comes to November and he talks to the Cubs and other teams. Here you have a great manager, you don’t just turn your back on him if there is still a chance. Yes, the price will go up, but that is what the Yankees do, they overpay when they have the need. And if they don’t have Girardi at the helm, the Yankees will have one more problem to solve this offseason.

  • Ripsnorter1

    The Cubs have already made a decision on Gamel: they paid $50,000 to claim him from the
    Brewers. Only a poor roster manager would then cut him in three weeks. Don’t you agree?

    • 07GreyDigger

      Maybe. Don’t forget 50K in baseball money is like $5 in our money. It’s worth a flier for a bench bat.

    • Tony_Hall

      Seriously, this would be poor roster management if they end up cutting him in 3 weeks….you are really stretching things to find fault in everything Theo does now.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Rip, the claiming fee is $20,000.

      If the player is claimed, he is lost to the claiming team for $20,000. (Irrevocable waivers may not be reversed.) The claiming team is responsible for the balance of the contract.

      Also, the Cubs would have the flexibility to work him out and see where he is with his rehab.

      The Cubs could always DFA him again, if they choose, and would not lose a dime. Gamel has not been outrighted before, so there is an option for them.

      If the player is not claimed (clears waivers), the club may option him or assign him outright to the minor leagues, though he must continue to be paid according to the terms of his contract. A player may be assigned outright to the minors only once in his career without his permission. Thereafter, he may either 1) reject the assignment and become a free agent, or 2) accept the assignment and become a free agent at the end of the season if he’s not back on the 40-man roster. Additionally, player with 3 years of major league service may refuse an outright assignment and choose to become a free agent, regardless of whether he has been sent outright to the minors previously. A player with 5 years of major league service time who refuses an outright assignment is entitled to the money due according to the terms of his contract.

  • paulcatanese

    Smart business decision by the Yankees, Cubs need a
    manager sooner than later, as well as the Reds(Baker was fired this AM) and the Nats. Three teams need a manager, and puts pressure on them to look elsewhere. And Kaplan say’s Girardi’s heart is in Chicago or New York, What does that have to do with it? There is no “heart” in Baseball, only dollars.

    • J Daniel

      Smart move for sure, Paul. I would do the same. But if Joe does want to leave he can make the Yankees wail. Then the Yankees are looking for a manager in December.

      • paulcatanese

        Quick response on you’re part, I edited before you can answer with a sarcastic comment, don’t want to stick you with an up vote is you have a different opinion.

        • J Daniel

          Not trying to be sarcastic at all. I agree with your statement but then look at what ramifications may occur it they wait each other out.

          Here is what I mean. Through the back channels Girardi has told the Cubs he wants to be their manager. So now the wait occurs and he becomes the Cubs manager on Nov. 3. Now, what do the Yankees do? Let’s say the Reds, Nats, and anyone else has already hired. Does that leave the Yankees with who they want?

          Or, maybe the Yankees start talking through back channels to someone else if Joe does not sign?

          My point is that one decision triggers others that need to be made.

          But, if I am the Yankees, I don’t let him speak to the Cubs either. I would want the opportunity to re-sign him. If it becomes apparent that I can’t re-sign him I start looking.

          • paulcatanese

            To clarify, I meant I was sarcastic not you.

    • 07GreyDigger

      Careful Paul. You may get told that is incorrect. Girardi is looking out for his family’s happiness, not dollars.

      • paulcatanese

        The statement was “in general” and should have been stated so. My error.
        But if Girardi truly wants to come to the Cubs, and does not want “Tampering”
        involved, all he has to do is hop on a plane to visit relatives, and put a refundable deposit on some property,
        and fly back to New York. Even Theo would get the message:)

        • J Daniel

          Don’t forget the stop at Starbucks.

        • 07GreyDigger

          I wasn’t chiding you sir, I was chiding someone else on here.

          • paulcatanese

            No, I didn’t think you were, and
            I should have done that, make it as general comment, I get ahead of myself sometimes.

  • SuzyS

    Let’s see…we want a new manager that’s great at developing the kids…has respect around the game…and hopefully might have some ties to the Cubs.
    Ummmm…we could be talking about Bill Buckner….?

  • SuzyS

    In Dusty we Trusty….here’s a piece that sounds awfully familiar…and as a bonus…says the Reds may consider in house candidate Jim Riggleman!!!:http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/dusty-baker-cincinnati-reds-stopped-playing-manager-100413

    • Ripsnorter1

      Walt Jocketty is smarter than Jim Riggleman, isn’t he?

      Who would want to go from awful to double awful, anyway?