Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Pirates – 09/25/13

Game One Hundred Fifty-Nine: Cubs (65-93) vs. Pirates (91-67)

  • Game Time – 1:20pm CDT
  • Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channels 186/844
  • Location – Wrigley Field, Chicago

Jake Arrieta (3-2, 3.94/1.14/5.04) vs. Francisco Liriano (16-7, 2.88/1.21/2.92)

The Cubs will try to close out their 2013 home schedule with a win today behind Jake Arrieta. The Cubs wrap up the series and season series against the Pirates (6-12) and the offense faces a big challenge with Francisco Liriano taking the ball for Clint Hurdle.

The Cubs have really struggled at Wrigley this season and set a new franchise mark with their 50th home loss on Tuesday. The Cubs ended up 12-18 in 30 night games at Wrigley this season and own a 30-50 record at home this year.

With Liriano on the hill for the Pirates, look for Dale Sveum to run out his right-handed lineup that could include catcher J.C. Boscan. With Welington Castillo out for the season, Dioner Navarro has started every game on the homestand (1-5) and with the day game after night game and Boscan’s familiarity with Jake Arrieta, it might be a good time to get Navarro a breather before the final three games in St. Louis.

Today is the last game of 20 in a row that began back on September 6. The Cubs are 6-13 over that span.

The last game of the season at Wrigley all starts with Jake Arrieta

Jake Arrieta is coming off a dominant start against the Brewers and will look to follow it up this afternoon in his last start of the season. Arrieta limed the Brewers to one run on three hits in seven innings. Arrieta took a one-hit shutout into the seventh before giving up a solo homer and a double. If Arrieta can pitch like he has for the most part in a Cubs’ uniform next season, the Cubs have found a good power to arm to compliment Jeff Samardzija in the rotation.

Jake Arrieta has made eight starts for the Cubs, two were not-so-good, one was average and the other five have been more than solid. Arrieta is 2-1 in his last four starts with a 3.42 ERA and a 0.97 WHIP. Arrieta has walked only two batters in his last 12 innings with 11 strikeouts and nine hits allowed.

The Pirates had a big night against Arrieta when they faced him 12 days ago. The Pirates went back-to-back-to back and knocked Arrieta out of the game after five innings. Arrieta gave up four runs, three earned, on six hits with one walks and six strikeouts.

Arrieta faces the Pirates for the second time in the last two weeks and he is 2-0 in three career starts against the Bucs with a 3.71 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP.

Pirates Career Numbers against Jake Arrieta

  • Russell Martin – 4-for-16 with a home run and a walk
  • Andrew McCutchen – 4-for-9 with a double
  • Jose Tabata – 2-for-7 with two walks
  • Neil Walker – 0-for-9
  • Justin Morneau – 1-for-7 with a walk
  • Garrett Jones – 2-for-5 with a home run and two walks
  • Pedro Alvarez – 1-for-5 with a home run
  • Clint Barmes – 0-for-5
  • Travis Snider – 1-for-5
  • Josh Harrison – 0-for-3
  • John Buck – 1-for-2

The Cubs will get their fifth and final look of the year at Francisco Liriano, and considering how well they’ve done, that is probably a good thing. After no hitting the Cubs for a majority of his outing, Liriano tossed eight innings of excellent ball against the Reds. Liriano pulled himself out of the game after the eighth because he said he was exhausted. The Pirates went onto lose the game after Jordy Mercer made an ill-advised off-balance throw in the ninth inning that opened the door for Cincinnati.

Francisco Liriano is 1-1 in his last four starts with a 4.70 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP and does appear to be running out of gas.

Francisco Liriano is a perfect 3-0 in four starts against the Cubs this season with a 1.24 ERA and a 0.86 WHIP. Liriano has allowed only 11 hits to the Cubs with 14 walks in 29 innings.

Cubs Numbers against Francisco Liriano in 2013

  • Darwin Barney (.223) – 0-for-10 with three walks
  • Starlin Castro (.285) – 1-for-11 with a double and two walks
  • Anthony Rizzo (.255) – 0-for-11 with two walk
  • Dioner Navarro (.306) – 2-for-3 with a walk
  • Junior Lake (.394) – 1-for-3
  • Darnell McDonald (.282) – 1-for-3
  • Donnie Murphy (.284) – 0-for-3
  • Ryan Sweeney (.294) – 0-for-3
  • Brian Bogusevic (.333) – 0-for-2

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    Castro SS
    Barney 2B
    Rizzo 1B
    Murphy 3B
    Lake LF
    McDonald RF
    Sweeney CF
    Boscan C
    Arrieta P

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Looks like a Spring Training line up.

    • John_CC

      Why do you constantly have to make these comments? What is the point? It is such an incredibly pointless exercise in futility … much like me asking you this question I guess. So touche in advance.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Better for me to talk “baseball” here than talking about politics…….Mind a suggestion friend? Trouble with you is you don’t enjoy the game for its own rewards: stimulation, relaxation, pleasant association, and interesting conversation.

        • John_CC

          Who’s talking politics? I agree this is better than that.

          A note to you, friend: It gets difficult to enjoy the games for some of us when 3 out of 4 comments are about how terrible one thing or the other is about the team and game we trying to enjoy.

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          Political discussion is not welcome here. Please end this conversation.

          Thank you.

    • cubtex

      Dale- “OK guys this is what we are going to do today.”

      Todays lineup.
      Infielders are batting 1 thru 4

      Outfielders hit after them
      Catcher
      Pitcher

      Go get em boys!

    • 07GreyDigger

      Look on the bright side. JC Boscan gets to start a major league game. He can tell his kids he started a game at Wrigley Field. Can’t beat that.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    good chance 4 or 5 players in this lineup will not be with us next April.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Cubs FO planning a Dale Sveum Bobblehead give away today……No head is included.

    • cubtex

      LOL! Now that is funny!

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Rusin might have pitched his way out of the starting rotation in 2014……
    Baker is leaning towards the best offer this off season……
    Relief pen next season of Russell, Strop, Bard, Cabrera, Rusin & Villanueva should bean upgrad of what we had earlier this season.

    • cubtex

      C’mon CubbyDen. You already had Rusin penciled in and you were calling him a potential #3 starter. You kept putting him in the same category as Matt Garza. You can’t possibly jump off his bandwagon that quickly.

      • Ripsnorter1

        I’m afraid that if he watches too much more Cubbie baseball this year,
        he’ll jump off of a cliff instead of just Rusin’s bandwagon.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Cubs are hitting .238 as a team.

    Only the Marlins, at .232, are worse.

    Houston hitting .242.

    • John_CC

      Did you see that Houston is very close, just barely off pace, to set a team record for most strikeouts in a season? For an offense, obviously.

      • Ripsnorter1

        I noticed early in the year they were ahead of the pace to set the
        record–say back in May–but I forgot about them. Thanks for bring it up.

        • John_CC

          I heard this on the radio, about the pace, and I’m pretty sure I heard it right that they struck out 20 times in a game last week!

          • Ripsnorter1

            It has to be miserable to be an Astros fan these days.

            I was reading yesterday that the Astros refused to call up some
            AAA talent that is ML ready just to keep them off of the Super Two status
            until next year.

          • 07GreyDigger

            That doesn’t surprise me at all.

          • cubtex

            bite your tongue. we haven’t brought up any of our major prospects yet. We could follow the same path.

  • cubtex

    Many on here think it is all about OBP. Work the count…take walks no matter where you hit in the lineup. The more baserunners the better no matter what. You want you 3,4 hitters to take walks even with RISP. Answer this question for me……

    How is it possible then that the Reds have 2 of the top OBP guys in the top of their lineup and are only 9th in Runs scored?

    Joey Votto #2 in OBP in all of Baseball
    Shin Soo Choo #4 in OBP in all of Baseball.

    They have their leadoff hitter and #3 hitter getting on base all the time and aren’t a top 5 team in Runs Scored???? How is that possible?

    Maybe the middle of the order bats need to swing with RISP??? What do you think?

    • Ripsnorter1

      I remember Tony Gwynn and Jack Clark having an argument.
      Clark had 104 BB that year (he had 132 the year before)…and Gwynn was riding him with spurs.

      “You are killing us with all of those walks. You’ve got to swing the
      bat to drive in runs. Only the mailman walks,” said Mr. Gwynn.

      Clark had 104 BB, 25 HRS, and only 62 RBI as the #4 hitter in the lineup……
      He had a .441 OBP…..and scored only 59 runs.

      LOSER! DUD!

      • 07GreyDigger

        Was that the year he had 62 RBI in 334 ABs? So if he played the whole year he would have potentially had 93 RBI in 500 ABs? Damn those walks!

        • Ripsnorter1

          Don’t tell me; tell Tony Gwynn. He was his teammate.

          LOL

        • cubtex

          Jack Clark 115 Games played.

          442 PA 104 BB 25 HR’s and 62 RBI.

          That is pathetic out of your #4 hitter

      • John_CC

        As you know, a player has very little control over how many runs he scores.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Yes, you are correct. But think this way for a minute:
          59 runs…25 by his own HRs. That means 34 times,
          batters behind him drove him in. That’s not many.

          Therefore, if you are taking the walks and not swinging
          your power bat, it hurts the team. And that was Tony Gwynn’s
          point–Jack, you’re killing us by not swinging your RBI bat.

          • John_CC

            He hit 25 HR. In 1990 the that wasn’t a shabby HR total for guys that were not juicing. Clark hit in the mid-20s HR nearly every year of his career.

            You are correct, being driven in 34 times is absolutely pathetic. But again, it says absolutely nothing about Clark as a hitter. I know, you think he should have changed his career long approach to hitting, which is by the way an excellent approach I don’t think it can be argued, and swung for the fences every AB.

            Suppose you feel the same way about Mark Grace. He should have just tried to hit more HR and not use his exception pitch recognition skills.

            I don’t believe it.

          • John_CC

            Footnote: in 1988 Jack Clark was the top 10 HR in MLB.

            With 27.

            Look at the HR leader boards from the late 80s – 90s: Canseco, McGwire, Strawberry, Bonds, McGriff…you get the point.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Jack Clark drove in 100+ runs only twice in his entire career.
            Tony Gwynn–the guy arguing with Jack Clark, not me–was saying that
            he was killing the team by walking too much.

            Jack Clark was a very valuable player. But with no one driving in runs
            behind him, they did not win.

            Somebody has to be the RBI bat to win.

          • cubtex

            Jack Clark career stats.

            18 years

            .267 avg 340 HR and 1180 RBI

            Compare those numbers to our former left fielder who has played 15 seasons. Those RBI numbers are very weak for a middle of the order bat.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Enough about Soriano.

          • cubtex

            lmao

          • Tony_Hall

            Different eras.

    • 07GreyDigger

      For the bazillionth time, OBP is not about taking walks. It’s about getting on base. Hence the name ON BASE PERCENTAGE!!!!

      Walks is only PART of the occasion. How do you calculate OBP?

      Hits + Walks + Hit By Pitch/At Bats + Walks + Hit By Pitch + Sacrifice Flies

      Did you know that if you calculate OBP that it is the same as your batting average until you add things like Walks, Hit By Pitch or Sacrifice Flies?

      So therefore, if you hit like garbage, you’ll also have a low OBP.

      By the way? Where did you see ninth in runs scored? They’re actually 3rd in the NL.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Reds are #10 in MLB in runs scored.
        Reds are #18 in MLB in batting average.
        Reds are #1 in MLB in sacrifice bunts.
        Reds are #6 in MLB in OBP.
        Reds are #2 in MLB in BB (right behind Tampa).
        Reds are #1 in MLB in intentional BB (walk Votto, and fear nothing!).
        Reds are #13 in MLB in grounding into a double play.
        Reds are #15 in MLB in HRs per AB.
        Reds are #17 in MLB in slugging.

        That’s the real problem–not enough power.
        That and Dusty Baker’s management skills.

        • cubtex

          yep and not enough hits. You cannot have your #3 hitter with 70 to 80 RBI for the year. That is ridiculous.

      • cubtex

        Look it up. They are tied with Colorado. I know what OBP is Digger. What is the most important factor to increase an OBP? Can you have an incredibly high one if you don’t walk? The high OBP guys WALK!!! The WALK a lot!!!

        One question? Sacrifice Flies??? What?

        • 07GreyDigger

          Right. But you skipped over my other point. OBP is only PART of the equation. High OBP is great, but if you can’t hit otherwise (like the Reds), it’s useless.

          Yes, I agree with you. You need guys with good RISP to score runs. But you also need guys consistently on base to do so. If no one’s base, you can’t hit with RISP.

          Get it?

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Please do not use that phrasing again. It is just not this site, that is all around baseball. If you would like to make a point, over and over again, that is fine.

      Thank you.

      • cubtex

        what phrasing? I just saw where they listed the top 5 OBP guys in baseball and thought it was interesting that the Reds have 2 of those guys and aren’t among the team leaders in runs scored. This is why I brought it up today. My apologies to you sir if you thought that was out of line!

        • John_CC

          You made this statement: “some people think it’s all about OBP…” and then went on (again) about how you believe that OBP is not a worthwhile stats. You are basically just degrading everyone that in the school that likes to follow the stats.

          It is offensive to those of us that like to take many stats into consideration. That isn’t hard to understand, is it? So the offended become defensive, that is a natural reaction. You make these statements simply to poke at people that do not think the same way as you do. You are “stirring the pot” so to speak. If you think that is “fun” and a good way to “enjoy” a game, well that is your business. As you’ve noticed I do not read or respond to your posts anymore so as to not continue this childish act.

          Just do not then act like you are innocent and don’t understand why some are sick of this, because it finally took Neil to ask you to quite.

          • cubtex

            As you’ve noticed I do not read or respond to your posts anymore so as to not continue this childish act.

            What happened?

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          You are welcome to discuss OBP, RISP or any
          other baseball related topic. The ‘many on here’ was what I was
          referring to. I do not like that phrasing, it carries too many negatives. Thank
          you for understanding.

          • cubtex

            understood.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Thanks man.

    • Tony_Hall

      Please tell me who thinks it is ALL about OBP on here.

      NO ONE has ever said that it is all about OBP, we have been down this road so many times, but yet you keep saying the same things over and over again, that we keep explaining to you again, what you don’t get.

      • cubtex

        forget it hoss. you will never get it.

        • Tony_Hall

          Dude, I get it. But we have beat this horse dead 100 times. Middle of the order bats drive in runs, but they shouldn’t swing at bad pitches in the name of trying to drive in a run. Just like they shouldn’t take good pitches to try and walk. They should swing at good pitches.

          Have you ever thought that maybe middle of the order bats, pitchers try to avoid throwing pitches over the plate and hope they are over anxious and will swing at the pitchers pitches.

          • cubtex

            the only reason I posted was that the Reds have 2 of the top four OBP in all of baseball batting 1 and 3 in the lineup and they are not in the top 5 in runs scored. If that isn’t telling….I don’t know what is. That is the last I will say on this topic.

          • Tony_Hall

            And there are examples of teams leading the league in HR’s and not scoring at the top of the league either. Nothing is 100% going to lead to another thing 100% of the time. For someone who wants to point out negative stats in baseball, it is the easiest thing to do, as there is always going to be examples of what didn’t work.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Rizzo with a nice run scoring hit.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Excellent play by Murphy

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    McDonald with a 3-run homer

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs beat the Pirates 4-2 on Wednesday afternoon – Jake Arrieta: 1R, 4H, 2BB, HBP, 1K in 6 IP (84 pitches, 54 strikes)

    Darnell McDonald: 3-4, HR, 2 2B, 3RBI; Starlin Castro: 1-4, 2B; Anthony Rizzo: 2-3, RBI, BB; Darwin Barney: 2-4, 2B

    • SuzyS

      I watched the end…it was nice to see the team hang out by the fans and doff their caps….It was a cool gesture for the end of the long season.
      Next time we see that…I hope we are division winners…ala the Jim Frey Cubs.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Another good game from Arietta against playoff team……………..Yes, I had Rusin pencil in back in August as a starter in 2014, but since then, maybe we need someone with more toughness……yesterday was a “key” game for Rusin……just like today was for Arietta……we know who pass and who failed at the end………….Castro had to show his laziness one more time today for the fans and coaching staff…..running the bases on that deep double off the wall, and his throw in the 9th………….allot media people think Girardi will be hired as the next Cubs manager…..I don’t think so….first, he will want to replace present pitching coach with a former Cubs pitching coach…..something that Theo will reject……second, Girardi was teed off not getting the manager’s job the last time…similar to Sandberg…….Girardi will stay in NYC….came so close this year with a banged up team…..I doubt he would want to start at the bottom with the Cubs………..on the other hand, Gardenhire has a track history of working well with up and coming prospects……….Bosio & McKay will stay, everyone else is gone………….Jack Clark…good hitter….terrible temper………the game of baseball is not about hitting or getting on base, it is all about “Pitching”…….the hitting will come around for every team, but you need to have strong pitching, especially in the Playoffs……most great hitters in Playoffs are the non-star guys…………..some of those Cubs players were not only saying “thank you” to the fans at the end of the game, but also “goodbye”…………Theo & Jed will have to start all over…….but first, need input from the new manager of what he thinks who should be on the club in 2014.