Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Brewers – 09/19/13

Game One Hundred Fifty-Three: Cubs (63-89) vs. Brewers (68-83)

  • Game Time – 1:10pm CDT
  • Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channels 185/844
  • Location – Miller Park, Milwaukee

Jake Arrieta (2-2, 4.42/1.24/5.25) vs. Kyle Lohse (10-9, 3.46/1.20/4.10)

The Cubs wrap up their three-city, 11-game road trip this afternoon with the series and season series finale against the Brewers. After winning three of the first five on the trip, the Cubs have lost their last five games and will give the ball to Jake Arrieta to try to salvage at least one game in Milwaukee. Arrieta started the last game the Cubs won.

The Cubs have played really bad baseball against the Brewers over the last two seasons and are just 5-13 versus Milwaukee this year. Thankfully the Cubs will not see the Brewers again until the Cactus League next spring.

While the Cubs are building the system, the Major League team needs to learn how to play better against teams in their division. The Cubs enter play this afternoon a season-worst 26 games under .500 and 23-46 versus the NL Central. The Cubs are 40-43 against the rest of baseball.

The final game of the year against the Brewers and on the 11-game road trip all starts with Jake Arrieta

Which Jake Arrieta will show up today? Arrieta has excellent stuff, and once again, if the Cubs can somehow get him to throw strikes on a consistent basis they will have a top of the rotation arm for the next several years.

Jake Arrieta has been both excellent and not-so-good during his short-time in a Cubs’ uniform. Arrieta is coming off a no decision against the Pirates in a game that he allowed four runs, three earned, on six hits in five innings. The Pirates hit back-to-back-to-back longballs off Arrieta that accounted for three of the four runs. Arrieta issued one free pass, but more importantly the Cubs won the game.

Jake Arrieta makes his eighth start for Dale Sveum this afternoon. The Cubs are 3-4 in his seven starts and he is 1-1 in his last three games with a 4.32 ERA and a 1.14 WHIP.

This afternoon will be Arrieta’s third start of the season against the Brewers. Arrieta made his Cubs’ debut at Wrigley in the second game of the twin bill then faced the Brewers on September 7 and allowed four runs on three hits in five innings. Arrieta is 0-1 in the two starts versus Milwaukee with a 4.09 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP.

Brewers Career Numbers against Jake Arrieta

  • Jonathan Lucroy – 1-for-6
  • Logan Schafer – 2-for-3 with a double, a triple and a walk
  • Yuniesky Betancourt – 0-for-4
  • Juan Francisco – 1-for-3 with a home run
  • Scooter Gennett – 1-for-4
  • Norichika Aoki – 0-for-2 with a walk
  • Jeff Bianchi – 0-for-3
  • Carlos Gomez – 0-for-1 with two walks
  • Aramis Ramirez – 0-for-2 with a walk
  • Jean Segura – 0-for-3
  • Caleb Gindl – 0-for-1 with a walk

Kyle Lohse followed up his bad start against the Cubs with a nine-inning gem against the Reds. Lohse allowed one run on four hits with a walk and five strikeouts to the Reds and kinda showed why the Brewers gave up so much for him last off-season.

After a tremendous July in which Lohse posted a 4-1 record in six starts with a 2.25 ERA and a 0.95 WHIP, he has really been Kyle Lohse over his last eight starts. Lohse has the ability of looking like a number one starter one outing, then the next he can look like a fifth starter on a winning team.

Kyle Lohse has been very good at Miller Park (7-3 in 15 starts with a 2.85 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP) and he will face the Cubs for the fourth time on the season. Lohse is 1-1 in his first three outings against the Cubs this year with a 5.00 ERA and a 1.56 WHIP.

Cubs Numbers against Kyle Lohse in 2013

  • Darwin Barney (.224) – 2-for-8 with a walk
  • Welington Castillo (.345) – 2-for-8 with two doubles and a walk
  • Anthony Rizzo (.249) – 5-for-8 with two doubles and a walk
  • Nate Schierholtz (.271) – 3-for-9 with a double and a home run
  • Luis Valbuena (.238) – 2-for-7
  • Starlin Castro (.289) – 1-for-6
  • Junior Lake (.389) – 3-for-6 with a home run
  • Ryan Sweeney (.288) – 2-for-5 with a double and a walk
  • Donnie Murphy (.276) – 1-for-3

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    Castro SS
    Valbuena 3B
    Rizzo 1B
    Schierholtz RF
    Sweeney CF
    Castillo C
    Lake LF
    Watkins 2B
    Arrieta P

    • 07GreyDigger

      Look everyone! A Logan Watkins sighting!

      • paulcatanese

        Well he certainly deserves a chance.
        But he better go 4×4 or he’s out again.
        I love these short sample size shots, give’s someone little or no chance to succeed.

        • TheWrongGuy

          Yes I agree. I guess this the only shot Watkins gets… Against one of the tougher more veteran type right-handers to spell Barney. How sad.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Have you checked out Barney’s BA these days?

            He could end up with a sub .200 BA for the year.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Yes and the only reason he gets playing time… I would like to quote a former CUB, Tony Campana “I am not kiss-up like Barney”

          • Ripsnorter1

            Campana had a nice year at Arizona…
            .293 BA….408 OBP…304 slug
            8 SB and 2 CS.

          • Tony_Hall

            And in the things not said……..

            41 AB’s

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Thank you.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Something else not said….he got a nice tan on the bench.

          • 07GreyDigger

            When did he say that?

          • TheWrongGuy

            I don’t think I got his exact words correct. It was during early last season I believe. He was being asked about the young guys on the team.

  • TheWrongGuy

    BRAVO Watkins =)

    • TheWrongGuy

      And again Watkins.
      They might be weak hits but look like line-drives in the box scores. BETTER THAN BARNEY. =)

  • cubtex

    Just checked the box score.

    Logan Watkins 2-2 today
    Darwin Barney 2 for his last 27.

    • TheWrongGuy

      BRAVO!

      • cubtex

        Why not give the kid some playing time. Too little too late Mr. Sveum.

        • TheWrongGuy

          Agreed.

          • TheWrongGuy

            3-3 now with Lake at 3rd.

          • cubtex

            is he really? lol. good for Watkins.

          • TheWrongGuy

            And Lake scored on Jake’s bunt. 4-0 CUBS.

          • cubtex

            this really makes Sveum look worse than he already does……if that is possible.

          • Tony_Hall

            How? Do you really think he decided whether Barney should have been starting or whether Watkins should have taken over?

            Think of it this way, they gave Barney every opportunity to keep his job and he failed.

          • cubtex

            by not giving him any playing time. that is how. he could have seen if he is a utility guy. put him at 3rd,2nd etc.

          • Tony_Hall

            They know he is a utility guy, I know he is a utility guy, everyone should know he is a utility guy.

          • cubtex

            is he better than Valbuena at that role? how about Murphy? you see what I mean?He was never given an opportunity to play. those other 2 were.

          • Tony_Hall

            Yes, if you need a utility guy for 2B and SS he will be better than both of those guys. Include 3B (where those guys were playing and given an opportunity) and I would want Valbuena.

            They have been watching him all year and so has anyone who watched Iowa Cubs games.

          • cubtex

            cmon man. Iowa is a long way from Wrigley. Barney is not a core piece. Valbuena is not a core piece, Murphy is not. Why not play him to see if he could be that player next year? It is not like you would have had to sit Rizzo or Castro to play Watkins. It is mind boggling.

          • Tony_Hall

            I think they were giving Barney a last chance to take the reins. They also probably don’t view Watkins as anything more than a utility guy, so let their Gold Glove 2B play and try to keep his job. I wanted to see Waktins, but it is more and more likely that Alcantara or Baez will be at 2B by this time next year, most likely end of July.

          • cubtex

            Do you think Barney would go from starter on this team to a utility role? I personally don’t see it. I think you are right about Alcantara or Baez starting there by mid season….so if that is the case…Barney needs to go and they could start Watkins there until and move Watkins to that utility role.

          • Tony_Hall

            That is a tough call, as he is best suited as a defensive utility player. He will probably be traded in a multi-player trade.

            Barney should have been traded last season when his value was at it’s highest and it was talked about but some people thought that if he could just hit 300, he would be so good.

          • cubtex

            I agree. I think it would be tough for Barney to go from a gold glove winner on this team to a backup role. Yes, he should have been traded last offseason but now he almost needs to go this offseason. As you said….he doesn’t have much value so it will probably be a multi-player trade.

          • cubtex

            should I post how many at bats it took Barney to get 3 hits this month? lol….nah. just kidding

        • Tony_Hall

          How is it too late? Did they ruin Watkins?

          I think the idea that they are trying to keep Barney from dropping below the mendoza line makes more sense. I would like to see Watkins start somewhere for the rest of the 2 weeks.

          Rizzo with another multi-hit game.

          • cubtex

            so do you have any idea what Watkins can do? Why wait until 10 days left before playing him.

            Excuse me…..Did you say ANOTHER multi-hit game for Rizzo? lmao. he was 5-37 coming into today my friend. That is one of the funniest lines that has ever been typed on this site.

          • Tony_Hall

            Yes, you have railed on him all year for this.

            Multi hit games by month
            April – 5
            May – 9
            June – 6
            July – 6
            August – 4
            September – 4

            It is not the amount of multi-hit games that I have a problem with, it is the 0fer’s that I take more issue with Rizzo.

          • cubtex

            He has been absolutely horrendous this second half. These saber stats to try and point out that he is productive are laughable to me.

            2nd half numbers for Rizzo

            .202 9 HR’s and 21 RBI

            how do those on pace numbers look for an entire year? I don’t care about BABIP, UZR, or any other stat…..That is BRUTAL.

          • Tony_Hall

            The average is too low, that is for sure. These overly complicated new fangled stats help to explain whether a player is getting what he deserves or get lucky or unlucky.

            BABIP by month
            April 222
            May 337
            June 253
            July 250
            August 182
            September 208

            Not hard to see that those numbers are not likely to stay that low and there are things the coaching staff and Rizzo may need to do, like you suggested bunt towards 3B and get an easy single, work on taking the outside pitches down the line for easy hits, etc.

          • TheWrongGuy

            BABIP to me is ONLY a stat that goes with the old saying “Hit it where they ain’t”

            pure LUCK!

          • Tony_Hall

            If only it was that easy. If you look at good hitters over their career, they will have a career BABIP that they will usually be at most season. If you look at the seasons they excelled or struggles, you will usually find the reason in BABIP.

          • TheWrongGuy

            I agree with what you are saying but it still holds true to what I said about the old saying… “Hit it where they ain’t”. It is a stat that gives that saying credence.

          • cubtex

            with that shift they put against Rizzo….start going the other way! Not every at bat or every pitch but you can adjust to the shift.

          • coachdon

            Low BABIP in Rizzo’s case means to me that he hits ton of easy ground balls to the right side. If you are ripping the ball all over the ballpark but guys are making tons of great plays on you, maybe I’d care more about the BABIP.

          • cubtex

            Rizzo hits a ton of routine ground balls to the right side. A ton. He is easy to defend that way and that is why he has a low BABIP. I agree with you.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Combining the ‘saber stats’ as you call them, with watching a player is the best way to gauge how a player is performing. Not paying attention to those stats is the same as a front office only using scouts or only using stats. The combination of the two tells the full story, just not one or the other.

            There have been more balls in the last few weeks that I can count that Rizzo has squared up and hit right at someone. He has not performed up to expectations there is no doubt, but just looking at the traditional three stats is not using all of the information that is available.

          • TheWrongGuy

            agree’d

          • Tony_Hall

            I go back to the quote in the Pirates article from Clint Hurdle.

            Have we had to bring in more sand into Chicagoland to accomadate our fans??

            “It was definitely a transformation in understanding the game. It has been for me for the last 10 years, especially the last five years,” Hurdle said. “You have to get involved in the information. You’ve got to read. You’ve got to study. You can’t just stick your head in the sand and just say, ‘It doesn’t exist. It doesn’t count. It doesn’t make sense.’ ”

            After being fired by the Rockies midway through the 2009 season, Hurdle knew he had to change.
            Hurdle is a product of 20th century baseball thought. To earn another job in the 21st century, he knew he had to embrace new-age information. He saw how the game was trending toward a greater acceptance of sabermetrics. He spent time on websites like Fangraphs.com, and he took a job as an MLB analyst where he was exposed to even more cutting-edge information.
            http://triblive.com/sports/pirates/4689239-74/pirates-defensive-season#axzz2f4BnFVMH

            If you haven’t read the full article, I would recommend it.

    • cubtex

      Whoever down arrowed this…..I joined you. 1 of those down arrows is mine. I thought I would down arrow a 2-24 performance as well. :)

      • Tony_Hall

        Not sure why someone would do that, I gave you an up arrow!

        • cubtex

          who cares. I gave myself one of those down arrows :)

          • Tony_Hall

            You probably deserved it for something else you said :)

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Ramirez with first hit off Arrieta, 2 down in the fourth

  • TheWrongGuy

    Not good for Wely to be out.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Not at all.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Castillo will have a long winter to recover……we have no games this October again.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Boscan in for Castillo in the bottom of the sixth

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Baez is not going to play in the Arizona Fall League. Hoyer said Baez was drained after a long minor-league season and Cubs are still looking at his replacement for Arizona Fall League. Almora could take his spot on the full-time roster

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Does anyone have a sense something is going behind the door between Dale & Theo?
    Scoscia, Gardenhire, & Girardi on the horizon……
    What if in 2014 Shark is like the Shark of 2013?
    What if Wood comes down to earth?
    What if Rizzo is hitting .240 ?
    When will Vizcaino show up as a starter?
    By July, Barney, Villanueva, Russell & Schierholtz will be shipped off to playoff teams…….
    Will you be happy with Bugorsevic, Sweeney & Lake in the outfield next year?
    Is it possible to see less Cubs wins in 2014 then what we got in 2013?
    Playoffs in 2015?……..
    How Top 5 picks do we need before you are sick & tired of losing?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Castillo left with right knee soreness

    • TheWrongGuy

      Not good they might shut him down for the rest of the season.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Did anyone mention the Blue Jays report that they will go after Samardzija this off season?

    • TheWrongGuy

      I saw that on MLB trade rumor’s the other day.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Who will the Cubs get from the Nationals in the Dejesus trade?…….Rays gave up a Class A LHP for Dejesus to the Nationals.

    • TheWrongGuy

      I believe we still owe the Nats a player for the Harrison deal. Who do we send?

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Harrison for Pineryo…straight up.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    If Yankees get into the playoffs, look for Soriano get some serious MVP votes.

  • TheWrongGuy

    Nice shot Boggy!!!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Rizzo and Watkins with 3 hits each.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs beat the Brewers 5-1 on Thursday – Jake Arrieta: 1R, 3H, 1BB, 5K in 7IP (88 pitches, 65 strikes); 0-1, 2 SAC, RBI

    Schierholtz: 1-4, HR, 2RBI; Valbuena: 1-5, HR; Rizzo: 3-4, 2B, R; Watkins: 3-4; Lake: 2-4, R;
    Bogusevic: 1-1, HR