Dale Sveum Out as Manager of the Chicago Cubs

According to multiple reports, the Cubs have fired Dale Sveum and he will not return to manage the Cubs in the final year of his three-year contract.

According to multiple reports, some members of Sveum’s staff may return but those positions will not filled until a new manger is hired.

Updated 11:14am CDTThe Cubs made it official and announced that Dale Sveum has been relieved of his duties as the manager of the Cubs.

Theo Epstein said the Cubs want a “dynamic new voice and the energy, creativity and freshness” and said the new manager will be in place before the General Manager meetings on November 11. Epstein explained that Sveum is not a scapegoat for the shortcomings at the big league level the past two seasons. Epstein and Jed Hoyer took responsibility for the lack of talent he had to work with.

The Cubs have not contacted any possible candidates to replace Sveum and will begin the process on Tuesday contacting candidates and asking for permission to interview those under contract with other teams.

According to David Kaplan, Joe Girardi is “far and away” the Cubs first choice to replace Sveum. Girardi is under contract until October 31 and the Cubs will have to receive permission from the Yankees to talk to him before then.

Update – Nothing official on the coaches. Reports over the weekend suggested that the Cubs wanted to keep pitching coach Chris Bosio and first base coach Dave McKay. The futures of hitting coaches James Rowson and Rob Deer are unclear as well as bench coach Jamie Quirk and third base coach David Bell.

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  • J Daniel

    Maybe they already know something? As I stated before with Dale, they had to extend or fire him. No way they want a lame duck manager during an important development and next step year.

  • Rational Logic

    Ugh, I just don’t get it. Until we’re ready to compete, what is the point of shedding out big time money to a manager who probably won’t care about player development?

    • J Daniel

      They have young players ready to come up. The next manager is the guy you hope to win with and should be important to Baez, Bryant, Hendricks, and others as they start to arrive.

    • J Daniel

      The other thing is we are not sure as to what is going on behind the scenes. Was Dale dealt a bad hand of players? YES! So not all is his fault but development and in game strategy he should be held accountable for.

      Also, do you want him extended? If not, do you want him managing without the contract?

      • Rational Logic

        I think when you assess a manager, you have to look at those things in his control – game management, player accountability, and leadership. I believe Dale had those qualities. I think it is dumb to shell out a ton of money for a marginal upgrade at the helm, especially when we’re not expected to compete next year and he had one more year left. Why not let him get through the season with some real talent, assuiming baez/bryant, etc can make an impact and then assess on a better scale?

        • J Daniel

          Two things I keep coming back to … next year is last year of contract which is generally not a good scenario. Second, maybe there is a fundamental difference on an issue behind the scenes? With the young coming, if there are differences, a change is needed before they arrive.

          Throw in declining attendance and it is not good all around. I certainly acknowledge many factors out of Dale’s control.

          • John_CC

            You keep saying that a manager on the last year of his contract is not a good thing. I don’t understand.

            I do not believe there are “lame duck” situations in professional sports. Usually people try a lot even harder to prove their worth going into free agency. What makes think it is different with a manager?

          • J Daniel

            Spoiled players that make a lot more money than the manager.

  • TrevorPetersma

    I’d be pretty excited to see Girardi come back. Would he want to make some of the calls regarding pitching coach, hitting coach, etc? Or is that all Epstein at this point?

    • cc002600

      I know they keep talking about Girardi, but for some reason, I just don’t see it. I don’t see them spending huge money to bring in big name like that, and someone that Theo / Jed may clash with.

      I would love to see him hired, but I just can’t see it happening

      I bet if they can get Mike Maddux, they go after him again. That’s who they originally wanted

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    I just posted several updates to the report

  • J Daniel

    Theo’s statement : http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Seems we are back where we started in November 2011 !

    • daverj

      Huh? I don’t see that at all. Is the minor league system in the same state as back in 2011? IS the major leaguer roster carrying a bunch of overpaid players with long term contracts like 2011?

      • CubbyDenCritic

        We lost another 90 plus games….
        50 of those losses at home……
        Castro Sucked…..
        Rizzo sucked…..
        Samardiza sucked….
        Barney is beyond the word “sucked”….
        I heard before what great players we had in the minors……want a list?….should we start with Orie, Cunningham, Griffin, Patterson, Colvin, Pie, Choi, Vitters, and a few others?
        Are we not paying part of Sosa’s contract in 2014?…..
        Are you happy with Lake, Sweeney and Bogusevic in the OF in 2014?…..
        Theo has set the Cubs clock back on this rebuilding program…….2016 the earliest for playoffs…..
        2014 starts off with no Garza type of pitchers on this staff……..Shark is no “Ace”…..
        Free Agency is weak this year…..
        90 plus losses again in 2014.

        • Scott

          Castro did not have a good year and would be the first to say that. But that does not mean that the rest of his career would be like that.
          Rizzo, in his first full season, had 65 extra base hits and drove in 80 at the age of 23. Not too bad. Samardzija was inconsistent, but did not “suck”.
          Barney looks lost at the plate most days. Offensively, he is miserable, but defensively, he is still an asset.
          As for your list of prospects, did we have all those guys in 2011? I don’t ever remember the collection of talent in the minors like we have now. Cubs fans, myself included, have always pinned our hopes on the ONE guy in the minors. Wood or Prior or Patterson, etc. Not a collection like Bryant, Almora, Soler, Baez, Vogelbach, Olt, Edwards, Johnson, Alcantara, Hendricks, etc….
          I don’t believe that we are paying Sosa a dime anymore are we? I would like to see where you got that information. I am not saying you are incorrect, I’m just saying I can’t find that information.
          Am I happy with Lake, Sweeney and Bugosevic in the OF in 2014? I think Schierholtz might have something to say about that, but I am not upset about it because there is one young player (Lake) and room to add people like Bryant if needed. Schierholtz could be a good trade piece at the deadline next year if he repeats his first half. None of them are superstars, but they are not horrible either.
          I wouldn’t say that there are two more bad years before a chance of playoffs is a possibility. Next year could be a struggle, but I would expect some improvement – especially if the right coaching staff is brought on board. There are a lot of position pieces that are approaching the MLB level and I wouldn’t be shocked to see Bryant and Baez in the everyday lineup next year with Castro and Lake. Olt? Another possibility if his sight/concussion issues can be cleared up (a big if).
          No team in the last 15 years hit as poorly with runners in scoring position as the Cubs did this year – and they were last in MLB in 2012 as well. Those numbers should normalize at some point, which will lead to more wins.
          Free agency could be weak, but look at the pieces we got last year in Feldman and Schierholtz. One turned into a decent player for us and another we were able to flip for a lot of ceiling in Strop and Arrieta. No reason to think that it could not happen again if we need it to.

          • cubtex

            C’mon dude. Schierholtz will not be worth much at the trade deadline. Let’s be realistic on who he is and what type of value he will have.

          • Scott

            Check out Scott Feldman’s statistics in 2010-2012 and tell me that it is impossible to get anything of value from Schierholtz if he has an 825 OPS in the first half next year. (For reference, Henter Pence had an 822 OPS and Carlos Beltran had an 830 OPS this year.). I am NOT saying that Schierholtz is as good as either one, but he would have value.

          • cubtex

            comparing a starting pitcher to a #4 outfielder is apples to oranges. Please do not compare Pence and Beltran to Schierholtz. You know better. Those guys have proven track records and Schierholtz has about the same value as what DeJesus got us this year.

          • 07GreyDigger

            That’s his point though. Feldman had no value prior and they got a decent return.

          • Scott

            I’m pretty sure I said that Schierholtz wasn’t as good as Pence or Beltran. I was just pointing out the stats. And if you trade a guy at the right time, it is difficult to say what you could get for them. DeJesus was hurt and had a 438 OPS in June. Schierholtz had a 969 OPS in June. Would we get anything spectacular? Doubtful. Could we get something similar to what we got for Soriano? I would not be surprised if we did – or even a tick more.

          • dicepaul

            Price is important not worth! Basic economics: where supply equals demand you have price. If one of the top teams has a need Schierholtz may be the best or only option even though his price is higher than his worth.(See the Garza trade if you need help on this concept.)

  • K_Gripp

    My question is what if they do not get Girardi? They fired their stopgap manager a year ahead of schedule and if they dont get their target manager will they hire another stopgap manager or will they be forced to settle with a manager that wasn’t their top choice? Every day its becoming more apparent that 2015 was the plan when Ricketts and Epstein got together. I think they are straying from the manager plan here because the opportunity for Girardi has presented itself and they dont want to miss it. The Yankees dont get outbid very often and they arent told no much either. It will be a tall order to get Girardi out of New York. I hope they can. I might be called crazy but I think the Cubs are in a better position than the Yankees because the Yankees have been slow to adjust to the new rules of the CBA and the Cubs have already laid the groundwork for the rebuild that Yankees fans dont want to hear that they need.

    • J Daniel

      We don’t really have a clue on who they want … we can assume Girardi but who knows really. Not sure if I believe speculation from media.

      • K_Gripp

        Absolutely right. They could want Girardi. They could want Ausmus. There might be a 3rd guy out there that the media is missing. If Ron Washington is the manager next year we will know that the plan went horribly wrong. We just cant stand to go to a 3rd stop gap manager in a row. What other top tier managers are on the market?

  • CubbyDenCritic

    People Theo would bring Francona on board the first time around…..instead, Francona is in the Playoffs this year with Cleveland……Theo’s old team, also in the Playoffs after one bad year…………..Theo & Jed will soon find out that the “Pressure” is really on…local media will tear these guys apart and run them out of town if no playoffs happen by 2016…….we might have a bunch of young hitters coming up, but this game is still all about pitching.
    Don’t expect experience managers running after this Cubs job…… Managers want their own people on their staff, no left overs from previous regime.

    • 07GreyDigger

      If you were a manager and you had a chance to end the Cubs WS drought and be a legend for the rest of your life, why wouldn’t you jump at that chance?

      • J Daniel

        EXACTLY!

      • K_Gripp

        He’s managing for the greatest team in sports history. He has three rings with that team and an owner and GM who wants to extend him and a fan base who respects him. Why would he leave that? -Devil’s Advocate.

        • 07GreyDigger

          Maybe the whole Steinbrenner meddling in player acquisition bugs him. Or dealing with the whole ARod circus. Just my educated guesses, but you’re right, why would he leave? He said the family he had in Chicago (his parents) have died.

          • K_Gripp

            I also mentioned in a different comment that the Yankees are in need of a rebuild themselves and havent positioned themselves well with the new CBA rules. Im sure that figures in as well.

        • Henry

          One reason is his wife is from the northern suburbs. They still have family in the Chicago area. Maybe it is time to come home in more ways than one,

  • CubbyDenCritic

    New Manager….you know what this means?…….No More Spring Training Bunting Contests.

    • cubtex

      hahah. I just said that too!

    • RynoTiger

      the bunting contest was a different take on practicing and enhancing bunting skills..or at least it could have been..and then it should have carried over into the regular year since you had all these guys practicing their bunting..but did it? Nope.

      • cubtex

        the bunting contest was not to enhance bunting skills. It was a waste of time contest. Batting practice pitching speed and you were supposed to lay down the bunt in an area for points. It did not improve or enhance any players skills in that area. It was ridiculous.

        • J Daniel

          COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME

        • 07GreyDigger

          It was fun. At least for me. Better than the same old, “so and so is in the best shape of their life,” stories. I hate those way more.

          • cubtex

            coming off a 90 loss year….I think they could have worked on some areas that they needed to improve. What do you think?

          • 07GreyDigger

            Maybe they did. Were you at spring training? Were you at every practice? That’s the thing that floors me. None of us really knows what goes on, but we’re all so sure of what does.

          • J Daniel

            I coach … and it makes me crazy when fans say something like “why don’t they work on this” or “they should talk to the player about whatever” … REALLY? Most people must really have no clue … Believe it or not coaches do work on stuff such as the fundamentals … coaches do talk with players about whatever … Maybe the way it was communicated or demanded was wrong … but to assume they don’t work on stuff or don’t talk with players … REALLY???????

          • 07GreyDigger

            So I ask you J, as a coach, let’s say you worked with a player on his batting approach and he struggled, is it on you or him? Or both? Can we truly blame Sveum for Castro’s struggles this year?

          • Rational Logic

            Throughout the last 10-15 years the Cubs have had several managers with different styles and different results -clearly the only conclusion you can draw is that performance is dictated by the TALENT, not the manager.

          • Rational Logic

            haha who thumbs down my comment? Is it not true? At least post your thought!

          • J Daniel

            In most cases the answer is simple … GET BETTER PLAYERS.

          • cubtex

            So…..they did not try and change Casro’s approach? Is that what you are saying? They didn’t instruct him to try and take more pitches? Don’t be aggressive…..Be “Selectively Aggressive”

          • 07GreyDigger

            I wasn’t saying that. Read what J said. It’s mental with the player. If they try to change your approach, it’s up to YOU the player to implement. If you can’t do it or struggle, you work with the team.

            You said you played in the minors. If a coach tried working with you on anything, isn’t up to YOU to take the advice and implement it yourself?

          • cubtex

            Castro just signed a big extension. When your boss tells you they want you to do something different…..you do it even if you think it is not in the best approach for you.

          • J Daniel

            Ultimately it is on the player. As a coach you can work on whatever fundamental might be helping create the issue. You talk philosophy, game plan, approach, that type of stuff. But, still up to the player. Do they buy in? Is there something mental? Was the communication approach the wrong method for that individual player?

            In Castro’s case we know he can hit. IMO, they have been trying to work with him on approach and selection and he has struggled with that. In this case I think the issues are more mental created by coaching.

          • cc002600

            I totally agree with you.
            I have coached baseball for a while too. I think the role of the manager is important, but its way overrated by most fans. The manager can control only so much. The players are the ones on the field, not the manager. The players win or lose 99% of the games, not the manager.

          • cubtex

            why have a manager? let’s hire the video guy to manage :)

          • J Daniel

            Need the manager lol you are funny.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Why not? He can bunt pretty well.

          • Brp921

            I’ve got an idea let’s use a college of coaches… no wait.

          • cc002600

            I said the manager has a role, but what I also said is that his importance to the success of the team is way, way overrated by most fans. He gets too much credit when the team is good and vice versa when its not. You talk to any fan in any city and I GUARANTEE you the same stuff goes on there. All the genuises call up the radio talk shows every day and talk about how the manager lost the game due to this move or that move. Its so old and tired. Sorry, but the PLAYERS win or lose the games 99% of the time, not the managers.

          • cubtex

            you are off track here. It is not about wins and losses on why Sveum was fired.

          • cc002600

            I know its not.

            Believe me, I said this before, I am not defending Sveum. Honestly, I could care less they fired him. All I’m saying is that is it won’t mean diddly till they get some real players up here.

            Always blaming the manager for a bad team is always so easy. Its soooooooo overrated. I’m 50 years old, I’ve been seeing this stuff forever. Its always the same. I could give you a million examples of how the perception of how good a manager is changes based on whether or not his team is good or not. Look at a guy like Joe Torre. He was a complete laughingstock before he came to Yankees. In fact, go read the articles in NY newspapers when he was hired. They crucified him. But gee, a couple world championships under his belt with a bazillion dollar payroll and poof !! Now he is a GENUIS !!!! wow, amazing how that works !! LOL

            I could go on and on

          • John_CC

            Torre is an excellent example. The guy had the best team, flat out the most talented bunch of elite players. He is way over-rated as a manager. Like you said, from “Sveum” to Genius in a season!

          • cc002600

            Oh yea….I could give a million examples of this stuff. people have such short memories
            How about in 2003 ? – “In Dusty we Trusty” !! Remember that one ? He was absolute genius that year, wasn’t he ?

            Then 2 years later, he was the dumbest guy who ever lived and we ran him out on a rail.

            LOL

          • Tony_Hall

            You are so right on this!

          • John_CC

            +100 ^ if I could.

          • J Daniel

            I coach a different sport but the concept is the same. Organize, teach, communicate, discipline when necessary, prepare, put team/player in best possible position for success, rest when needed …

          • cubtex

            yep. Did Dale put players and team in best position to succeed? Nope.

          • J Daniel

            I would say not and that is why he is gone. Maybe his communication approach was wrong? Who knows, we are not there. But when I see a guy like Castro, who can really hit, struggle all year, something is up. Might not be Dale’s fault? Maybe Castro can’t be taught? But a change was needed.

          • 07GreyDigger

            I get you on Rizzo and Castro, but I’m not sure you can blame bullpen choices so much on Sveum. Look at the guys he had to work with. Russell was a trusted guy and then had a rough second half, Kevin Gregg is Kevin Gregg and you got to use your other guys sometimes regardless of performance to keep everyone fresh.

            I feel for the guy in this because he never had any good talent to work with.

          • cubtex

            He forced Russell in a role he wasn’t capable of doing. He tried to use Russell in a Sean Marshall role and Russell was incapable of doing that. He cannot get righties out. He never could in college and he can’t now. Perfect example of putting players in roles to fail.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Your mom puts people in roles to fail. OHHHHHH!

          • cubtex

            are you sure you want to go there?

          • 07GreyDigger

            Haha. Seriously, who else was Sveum going to use in that role in the beginning of the year? Rondon? Bowden? Camp? Marmol? That’s what I mean. He had no one else.

          • cubtex

            he had Marmol or Fujikawa.

          • 07GreyDigger

            How did they do?

          • cc002600

            How did Travis Wood do this year ? Wellington Castillo ? Schierholtz ? Didn’t Barney win Gold Glove last year ?

            If you are going to blame the manager for every guy that had bad year, please tell me them how you can’t give him credit for guys who did well ??

            Talking about having it both ways…

            cracks me up

            its so easy to blame the manager for everything….its been going on for 100 years by all the armchair QB’s like you.

          • cubtex

            I guess the QB for the Cubs agrees with me too :)

            The reason Travis Wood did good is that he doesn’t throw hard. If he was a power pitcher like Cashner,Kershaw,Garza…he would have gotten hurt and broke down like all power pitchers.

          • Rational Logic

            …and here come the hypothetical arguments. I guess it’s Dale’s fault that he used Marmol as a closer and kept him there all season…oh wait. It was really frustrating to watch Dale not utilize Junior Lake in favor of the veterans…oh wait. C’mon, this is clearly over. Manager’s do not influence player’s enough to warrant blame for poor performance. Enough said.

          • cc002600

            LOL
            Now, you finally get it !!!

          • Ripsnorter1

            Don’t you just love Russell as a starter? He made every RH batter an All-Star.

  • cubtex

    Sveum failed on all aspects of his job. It is that simple. Player development,Communication,Game Management etc.

    This is a good day. The culture needs to be changed. A new voice is needed and hopefully the new guy will have a much more positive effect on Castro,Rizzo and Shark. This is not strictly about wins and losses in 2014 but about playing the game the “right” way for 9 innings and getting improvement out of your core players. Look at the second half numbers for Rizzo. Look at Castro’s numbers. Look at Shark’s numbers. A change was needed.

    On a side note……..Thank God we don’t have to hear about another bunting contest in Spring Training with the Video Guy kicking everyone’s a## :))))))

    • RynoTiger

      Completely agree.
      If a bunting or other skill contest is done, then it still needs to be about skill development for the players AND then carry over into the regular season.

      • cubtex

        exactly

    • Rational Logic

      I’m not sure I can agree with your logic. Looking at second half numbers and judging a manager’s worth based on those figures seems arbitrary to me. On that side, then you would have to look at players who performed better in the second half as well and give Dale credit??? Seems like everyone is selectively choosing data points to fit their argument rather than looking at the whole set before drawing a conclusion.

      • cubtex

        Do you want your core players to improve during the year? You can select all the data points you want but the fact remains that he did an awful job in ALL areas.

        • Rational Logic

          I do not think that player performance counts as an area of the manager. How can he truly control a player’s performance? What differently does a manager do year in and year out to make an individual players performance better or worse? It’s not a coincidence the “best” managers also have teams with the most talent.

          Was Dale a worse manager this year because his players performed poorly? Or did his players perform poorly and Dale happens to be the manager. Are you saying players become better because of the manager? Not likely. What is more likely is that fact that teams win more in aggregate due to game management, defensive alignments, pregame preparation, etc – but none of that matters if the players dont execute. To blame Dale for poor second half performances is short sighted. He didn’t fail in all areas, in fact, I think the team showed a lot of improvement this year, especially mid season when they were threatening .500 – nobody was calling for Dale to be fired then.

          • cubtex

            We must have been watching different teams. No point going on because we are way off in our assessments.

            Sveum threatened and ripped players in the press, couldn’t manage a game to save his life, tried to change the hitting style of the best hitter on the team. Punished some for mistakes and not others. Put players in situations where they would fail(batting Rizzo 3rd all year) Had some of the most ridiculous lineups that I have ever seen.

            Good riddance!

          • Rational Logic

            What about the following:

            Rondon and Strop’s second half, T Wood’s whole year, Rizzo’s bad luck, specifically if you look at his babip, yet still a relatively high 2.3 WAR, Castro’s improvement at ss, and as a whole the cubs def which ranks third in all of mlb at .721, and fourth in park adjusted def

            There are some things to credit Dale there, and some not, I just don’t think a new manager is going to change a lot. I obviously disagree that he ‘can’t manage a game to save his life’ and the problem with lineup changes is not really a problem if it had worked. I would be more upset had he not tinkered to try something else and stood pat the entire season. I don’t think guys need to be coddled, either.

            There have been so many instances where people claim a “new voice” will make a huge difference, when clearly it does not.

          • cubtex

            I love when people say “bad luck” for Rizzo. How about quit turning over on so many pitches and hitting ground balls to the right side. There is a reason why he has a low BABIP. He doesn’t use the whole field. You are going to give credit for Strop for Rondon and Strop? Grasping at straws there my friend.

          • 07GreyDigger

            What about Wellington Castillo? He improved in the 2nd half. He looks like a guy who could be a decent starter for this team.

            1st: .266/.324/.353 2HR 15RBI
            2nd: .288/.288/.475 6HR 17RBI

          • cc002600

            Blaming the manager for a terrible team is the oldest, extremely tired excuse in baseball. Don’t we do this after EVERY manager has a bad team ?? Piniella, Q-ball, Baker, Sveum,etc…I could on and on and on forever….and you don’t think this happens in EVERY city where all the fans complain about the manager when the team loses, as if its always the manager’s fault ? I used to know guys who were Cardinal fans that HATED Larussa and thought he was dumbest manager in the world. Really ? Its so easy to blame the manager. And its old and tired. How about some new players ?? The players are ones that win or lose the games, NOT the manager.

            and oh, it doesn’t bother me a bit that Sveum was fired, I could care less. BUT until they some better players, it DOESN’T MATTER who the manager is. I’ve never gone to a game to watch the manager.

          • Rational Logic

            Haha YES, exactly! Thank you. I’d like to also make a shout out to RandallSimon for some much inspired information. And an awesome name.

          • cubtex

            And that is absolutely false that a manager doesn’t have any effect on how a player performs. When should I sit a player if he is struggling? Where they are put in the lineup. How do they encourage and communicate with that particular player. Some players need a pat on the a## while some need a kick in the a##. Does a manager figure out which players need what?
            Sveum continued to play Castro and Rizzo each and every day this year when it was clear that sitting them down for a spell would be best. Instead he threatened to send them to AAA. Baseball is such a mental game and can beat you down so much that a positive voice and calming influence is what is needed during a long year.

          • Rational Logic

            I agree on some parts, especially about resting players, sitting struggling players – but only to an extent. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a manager who would have done things dramatically different and produced significantly improved results. In the end, the manager isn’t the one at the plate asked to execute. You can sit a guy and rest guys, change the lineups, and help with the mental approach, but all managers do it, and some do it differently; but the fact that it happens on every team, with every player, with different outcomes based on different methods, doesn’t bode well for the argument that there is a right way/wrong way to do it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, it’s much less about timing and the move itself than it is about luck and the fact that its a 162 game season. I just can’t reconcile that through an entire season, the manager’s decisions in terms of individual player moves (resting a day, moving down a spot in the lineup) has a significant impact on the entire performance of the player and the team.

          • RandallSimon

            Dale only threatened Castro after one his many air headed moments, never Rizzo. When Lou was the manager people were up in arms when he didn’t discipline his players, Dale did and people are still up in arms. Secondly, I don’t know what you watched but he tried Rizzo in a bunch of different spots, and gave him days off. I still believe Rizzo is part of our future, that being said whenever he faces a tough lefty he can’t be on the bench. At some point you play and learn to fight through diversity.

          • Rational Logic

            Completely agree – like I said before, I would much rather have a manager willing to take risks and do unconventional things when your team is 15 games below .500.

          • cubtex

            now I see why you love Sveum now. lol. He has no clue

          • cubtex

            Unfortunately I watched too many games.

            Rizzo
            Batting 2nd 5 games
            3rd 131 games
            4th 4 games
            5th 17 games
            6th 1 game

            Do you think that is a good test? Rizzo cannot be on bench against a tough lefty? Why not? He is 23 and is totally overmatched against many lefties now. Look at his splits. You ease young players into that role.

          • RandallSimon

            Did you think that in 2012 when Rizzo was crushing the ball he should have been sat against lefties too? Look at his splits from 2012 he sucked against LHP. The difference was that he crushed RHP. Should Dale have sat our franchise player a third of the games? Wait no I got it platoon at first. If only Sveum had thought of that first he could still be our manager.

          • Rational Logic

            RandallSimon still swinging for the fences!

          • cubtex

            He didn’t hit many of those….but he was pretty good at hitting running sausages.

          • cubtex

            Let me look back to see if you(Randall Simon) played with Dale Sveum on the same team before. haha. It’s OK Randall. Sveum is not the first manager or the last to be fired.

            I am not or have never said that he should sit against EVERY lefty. You sit him against the Kershaw’s, Liriano’s, etc.

          • paCubsfan23

            Honestly, at his age, I think he should stay in there against lefties and try to learn. It’s not like we were fighting for the playoffs anyway. He’s 23 years old.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Yes but with his struggles as mentioned already, can and WILL destroy a players mentally against said lefties. And at the MLB level it is 50% mental vice talent or skill, or they would not be at the Major’s.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Love the name. Take that sausage race!

          • John_CC

            You can’t fight with rational logic.

          • Rational Logic

            haha well said!

      • Dorasaga

        Yup. I’m OK with Swammy. He’s on a rebuilding team, for G’s Sake! Not like anyone else could have handled anything better. The only reasons for firing Sveum were: Owners had a say, the club listened; a better manager is looking for a contract.

        • John_CC

          I concur. I’ve said it before and I’ll restate it now: Girardi, Genius LaRussa, Maddon…if anyone of them were the manager of this exact same squad I’d bet they would not have a had a record 5 games better.

    • 07GreyDigger

      I knew you’d be happy.

    • DWalker

      I was one of the more critical peopke of Sveums performance, looking back though with the line ups, bull pen handling, player regression etc; I think what gets me over the last two years is that I very seldom ever thought “they want to win today”. The team always just sort of seemed to go through the motions, and some of the stuff dale pulled out of his hat, you just had to question if they were trying to throw the game. I thought when they hired him he might be a good choice, he wasn’t.

      • cubtex

        exactly. I swore the guy was managing to lose….. that’s the scary thing. he was fired today so that wasn’t the case. lol

  • CubbyDenCritic

    List…..
    Phil Garner
    Joey Cora
    Buck Martinez
    Cisto Gaston
    and
    Joe Torre

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Joe Girardi turns down the Cubs job……Joe Torre takes the job…..
    Cubs & Yankees in the 2014 World Series.

    • 07GreyDigger

      Dodgers trade Clayton Kershaw to the Cubs for Darwin Barney. Hulk Hogan runs a mile in 4 seconds. Tofu replaces beef as America’s favorite protein.
      All of these things are more likely than your scenario…

      • cubtex

        What? You don’t think the Dodgers would take Barney for Kershaw???

        • 07GreyDigger

          Maybe they’d take Julio Borbon.

          • cubtex

            you got to throw in a pitcher to balance it out. Casey Coleman,Barney and Borbon. That should do it.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Pfft. That’s too much value. Are you trying to give away talent?

    • J Daniel

      Ahhh … good days ahead

  • BosephHeyden

    To be perfectly honest, if they don’t get Girardi then firing Sveum was
    stupid. I don’t buy this whole thing where Sveum was basically brought
    in to fail. If that’s the case, then this front office is a bunch of
    swindlers, because they made it sound like Sveum was their guy for
    rebuilding. The acceptable thought process from this front office (though to be fair it’s acceptable only in the sense that they’ve got their guy picked out already) on firing Sveum is “we were wrong, we’ll do better next time.” If it’s “oh, he was never our guy,” then they just wasted two years, because Sveum made some lineup choices that potentially hindered development on some guys.

    Girardi is the best choice. The second best choice was
    Gardenhire before he re-upped. I don’t trust this front office enough
    to think whoever they choose next is “the guy” if he isn’t already
    established. Yeah, Ausmus could be the next Matheny, but he could also wind up like Redmond in Miami. And if Mike Maddux didn’t want to coach the team before it lost 100 games, why would he want to coach a team that has lost 196 since then?

    • Rational Logic

      Maybe Greg Maddux will walk in and say “enough is enough, let me manage the damn team, and just TRY firing me if the players suck”

      • Brp921

        That’s why they didn’t hire Sandberg, he would have had the ear of the fans.

      • BosephHeyden

        This is the same team that made one of the most beloved Cubs of all time prove to them that he was worth consideration for a mangerial position by coaching his way through every level of minor league baseball before he reached the end of the line and they gave him the proverbial middle finger in favor of a below average third base coach…I think they’d call that bluff (yeah, different front office maybe, but they already dismissed him as a potential choice, too, so the end result would be the same).

        • 07GreyDigger

          IMO, you can’t blame Ricketts for the whole Sandberg thing.

          Sure, Epstein said that they didn’t want Sandberg as manager and a commenter here said that he would have had the ear of the fans and probably not have matched what they wanted.

          But Sandberg started his odyssey long before Ricketts and Epstein bought the team. So blame the previous regime, they were the ones who really burned him.

    • 07GreyDigger

      I think they fired him to quiet fans. Use Sveum as a human shield. We agree! Sveum IS TERRIBLE. KEEP BUYING TICKETS! PLEASE!

      • cubtex

        As I mentioned before. They won’t be good or add any key players…so a new manager will be brought in to add some “new” excitement to draw a few extra fans.

        • cc002600

          Really ? Have you EVER gone to a game to see the manager ? come on

          • cubtex

            yea Lee Elia. LOL. It is not about who manages….but the “new” aspect or “change” in the culture. Why do many last place teams who know they are not going to win change managers? Why did the Astros change managers after last year? Did they think they would contend this year?

          • cc002600

            yea, how’d that all work out for the mighty Astro this year ?

            Just wondering.

          • cubtex

            By the way…thanks for all those down arrows today. At least you are responding after you give them. Good job!

  • TheWrongGuy

    Theo: “We want to be unified with how we help our young hitters.”

    What was Dale Sveum known as before he became our manager? A hitting coach/instructor. He also stated during the season how he was embarrassed with our hitters. The bad RISP stat the decrease in hitters development. The only play I noticed that payed attention to what Sveum said about 2012 hitting was Rizzo. I remember Dale saying something about the team had a horrible slugging percentage and Rizzo delivered with many extra-base hits. Yet as a hitter he went backwards in development. I also remember when “Ray” and I were here on site arguing about Rizzo’s development being poor the next tweet I see is Rowson working with Rizzo in front of home plate with the pitching machine, which does one thing. Speed up a batters timing.
    I am sad for Dale because he was given a bad roster from the start. And as a manager he has to manage ALL aspects and take ALL the blame. Yet ALL the blame is not his. Losing the top run producing bat this mid-season wasn’t good. Losing the top starters 2 years running was not good. Keeping clubhouse sanity through the losing of said players in the clubhouse is an area he lost as well. Samardzjia talking of the loss of Dempster and Feldman wasn’t good things for the coaching staff, bad clubhouse management. The recent outbursts in Milwaukee with Samardzjia and EJax also adds NOT good. Then to watch Rizzo and Castro make the same mistakes as others who got benched for making those mistakes is for sure NOT good develpoment.

    A losing team can turn around hopefully the right choice is made.

  • Rick Barkan

    Dale was a big mistake to hire as a manager from the beginning. You will not be missed.

  • cubtex

    I love all the defense for Sveum today. Most of the support is coming from those who are thrilled with our FO.
    One question…..Who is the one who fired Sveum today? I think his initials are TE. He is sometimes referred to as “boy wonder” and other aka…The disapproval of Theo’s move today is kind of refreshing from many of you.

    • TheWrongGuy

      Hey I am happy a change is made as one needed to happen for Rizzo and Castro’s sake.

      Theo said it…

      Theo: “We want to be unified with how we help our young hitters.

      • cubtex

        I don’t get all the love. He did a terrible job in every aspect of his job.

        • TheWrongGuy

          I say he took the “blame”.
          I don’t know for sure if it was him for everything. I did question MANY of his in game decisions. There he was continuously BAD! Player development area not totally his but that is also a failure.

    • 07GreyDigger

      All the support huh? I can’t say I ever said, “yay! I love Dale Sveum!” My main argument was the players deserve some blame. Sveum wasn’t a great manager, but there have been worse.

      • cubtex

        yes. you are saying he didn’t deserve the blame. you are upset that he is the scapegoat. Translation….you are unhappy he is fired.

        • 07GreyDigger

          As Dana Carvey once said in the McGlaughlin Group sketch.
          WRONG!

          Sveum is just a guy. I don’t care if he’s manager or not. But to say its ALL his fault is ridiculous.

  • Tony_Hall

    Not sure if this was the best kept secret in baseball or the worst. When Theo “let it slip” so nonchalantly that he would be doing end of year reviews on the entire coaching staff 2 weeks ago, it was pretty obvious by how the media ran with it, and that he let them run with it, that Theo had all but decided to fire Dale. Yet we find out today that Theo told him last night over a few beers.

    How did it not leak out until it was announced today? That is amazing.

    Dale was given things to work on in the 2nd half and didn’t meet expectations, so they make a change. I am not going to hide it, I would absolutely love to see Joe Girardi as our next manager. I would even want him over Sandberg. I wanted Girardi over Lou. Girardi brings instant credibility and is an amazing communicator and great leader. Now, I know some are already calling this a bad move, IF, they don’t get Joe. But if Theo determined Dale wasn’t the guy moving forward, then you move on from him. I do believe that through intermediaries that Theo and Joe have shown a mutual interest and that sure helps in making a move like this. Any talk that Joe isn’t going anywhere or isn’t interested, is just not true If he stays with the Yankees, that is what he will say, that he never was interested or discussed the Cubs job, but he is and has.

    Never a dull moment at Clark and Addison.

    • cubtex

      I believe Sveum was drinking a few beers but my sources are telling me that Theo was drinking 5 Pump, No Water, Extra Hot, Chai Lattes.

      • Tony_Hall

        My educated guess is he was drinking Sam Adams. Your slightly less educated guess is not very likely.

        • cubtex

          Theo doesn’t always drink beer…..but when he does…..It is Lattes :)

          • TheWrongGuy

            You two have nothing better to argue about today?

          • cubtex

            hahahaha

          • Tony_Hall

            Not really…we both want Joe Girardi…..if that happens, what would we discuss :)

          • TheWrongGuy

            understood and agree’d
            WOW now that is rare we all agree on something.

          • cubtex

            write down this date and time. It is a first :)

          • TheWrongGuy

            September 30 2013 @ 2:11 pm PST. I am living on the west coast so…

          • Tony_Hall

            Ah, we have agreed many times, we just don’t go back and forth on those items for months, upon months, upon months…..

          • cubtex

            I think we both agree that a change was needed. I would love if Girardi was hired.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Me too.

            Here’s a reason Ray you’d even appreciate.

            Career WAR
            Girardi: 5.8
            Sveum: -2.3

          • cubtex

            don’t get me started

          • TheWrongGuy

            HAHAHAHA!!!

          • Ripsnorter1

            Girardi isn’t coming.

          • Ripsnorter1

            AND…and whether drinking beer, lattes, or water…he still can’t think straight
            enough to fix the Cubs.

    • cc002600

      I agree with you that I would love to see Girardi as well, but I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong, but I think their personalities would clash. Theo wants someone he can control, and he ain’t gonna control Girardi. Plus, I read where Girardi just bought a mansion in NY, it seems as though he’s making his roots in NY now. Also, I don’t know if the cubs will pony up the dough to get him, he won’t come cheap.

      Again, I hope I’m wrong…..but I see them going after a guy like Mike Maddux again instead of Girardi. We will see !!

      You’re right. Never a dull moment.

      • Tony_Hall

        I had Maddux at the top of my list 2 years ago.

    • Eugene Debs

      You cold hook up a Comodore 64 to an old black and white TV and run a team better than Sveum.

      • Bredstik

        I think I still have one stashed away in a box somewhere…

  • oldanddisgusted

    Maybe Ozzie is ready for Act 2. This time on the North Side.

    • Tony_Hall

      Just say NO!

    • TheWrongGuy

      Theo wont hire him.

  • paulcatanese

    I was going to comment today, but couldn’t find anything that interested me to do so.
    But I will say Neil, Tom, and Brian, great site, and great reading everyday.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Thank you Paul

    • Tom U

      Thanks Paul!

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Questions….Questions….and more Questions for Theo & the Cubs.
    #1 – When did Theo figured out he needed to fire Dale? Today? Last week? Last June?
    #2 – Why is Theo starting the search on Tuesday for a new manager?…why not at the time he knew Dale was not the answer?
    #3 – Did Theo discuss this firing with Samardzija before it happen to get Jeff’s okay?
    #4 – Does Tom Ricketts know yet that Dale is fired?
    #5 – Will Selig force the Cubs to hire a minority?
    #6 – Will Ozzie Gullien get a interview call?
    #7 – What about the coaches status?
    #8 – Will Theo speed up the “youth” movement?
    #9 – Will the new manager, whoever he or she is, demand high price free agent signings?
    #10 – Can anyone see a better manager than Joe Torre?
    #11 – Could Tony LaRussa be our next manager?
    #12 – Does this firing encourage free agent signings?

    • RynoTiger

      what’s with question 5? would you have a problem if the Cubs CHOSE to hire a non-white manager?

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Selig likes to push for minority managers when one gets fired…..Ron Washington might get fired, so one minority goes out the door, one has to come in the door on a team without a manager……is there a problem with you having teams pressured by the league office to hire base on skin color and not on qualification?

  • cc002600

    Question: unless I missed it, Theo and Jed did not announce what is happening with all the coaches yet, correct ? Anyone else find that odd ?
    Perhaps they are negotiating w/ new manager as we speak ? and which coaches that will be retained are part of that negotiation ?
    otherwise why wouldn’t you say which ones are staying or leaving, now ? They made the point yesterday that’s its only fair to everyone to make these decisions quick….just thinking out loud.

    • TheWrongGuy

      From the Chicago Tribune via M. Gonzales…

      Sveum addressed the media outside Wrigley Field and said that his coaches have been told their fates rest in the hands of the new manager. Sveum said he was unsure of his next career move.

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-chicago-cubs-manager-dale-sveum-fired-20130930,0,1975349.story

    • TheWrongGuy

      And to add I have not seen what Jed and Theo have to say as far as the coaching staff is concerned.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      I was thinking of keeping two coaches, but if I was the new manager, I want to clean house and bring a coaching staff I can trust.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Theo can now add Ron Washington to his list of future Cubs managers…….
    add Mike Maddux to that list…….
    Kim Dejesus and hubby going to the playoffs……
    Future Cub, David Price, won for the Rays…….
    No Playoffs for Ex-Cub Matt Garza…….
    How many bottles of champagne will Kim go through tonight?……
    Sam Fuld…..what a scrappy player.