Cubs Front Office Looking to Replace Dale Sveum?

What began as a no comment on Dale Sveum’s status for the 2014 season could be a lot more than first thought. When Theo Epstein was asked on Tuesday about Dale Sveum returning for the third season of the three year contract that he signed in November of 2011, Epstein declined to comment and said that the front office is evaluating all aspects of the organization. Epstein explained, at the time, that Sveum would not be judged on wins and losses and added that Sveum has done a remarkable job of keeping the clubhouse together over the last two years. While Epstein would not say that Sveum would be back, he did say that there are “no alarm bells to ring.”

But that might not actually be the case according to reports from Comcast SportsNet, the Sun-Times and the Tribune.

Patrick Mooney reported Thursday night “there are real questions inside the organization about whether or not Dale Sveum should return to manage the Cubs in 2014.” According to Mooney’s sources, there has been building concerns about player development, namely the season-long struggles of Starlin Castro, Anthony Rizzo and Darwin Barney as well as the second half that Jeff Samardzija has put together.

According to a report from the Tribune’s Phil Rogers, the Cubs will pursue Joe Girardi if they have a chance. Rogers also cited player development questions as the reason the front office is looking to make a change. And if the Cubs don’t have a chance with Girardi, according to Rogers’ report, the Cubs could look at Tony Pena. Rogers pointed to the Cubs “exploring ways to get better production from Starlin Castro and provide an ideal environment for Latin American prospects such as Javier Baez, Jorge Soler and Albert Almora” as to a few of the reasons the Cubs could look at Tony Pena.

Rogers also reported that if Sveum remains in place to look for Mariano Duncan or “others with Latin roots to be added to the coaching staff in some capacity.” And Rogers did not rule out the Cubs looking to hire Yankees hitting coach, Kevin Long.

All three reports point to the fact the Cubs’ front office does not appear to be happy with the player development that is happening at the Major League level.

Dale Sveum addressed his future with the team prior to Wednesday’s game in Milwaukee. Sveum said he would like to think he will be returning as manager of the Cubs but he realizes how the whole process works. Sveum admitted that “some things haven’t gone too well and some things have gone really well” and he is happy with his coaching staff.

Theo Epstein said the entire organization was being evaluated, and that appears to be the case.

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  • triple

    This offseason could get really interesting with a manager change. I don’t think there’s any Cub wearing a number 7 jersey these days. Somebody would look really nice wearing that number sitting on the bench, and I’m not talking about Brett Jackson.

  • Tony_Hall

    Talking about next year and a player who has come up as a possibility. I have said Corey Hart will stay with his current team and work out a “deal”. Now he is saying the same thing.

    “I told them I would be very generous to stay here. I wouldn’t sit there and ask for anything outlandish. I’d definitely take a discount to stay here because I think I owe it to them to stay here and be a cheaper player,” Hart said. “Nobody wants to play for free but I basically sat there and watched all season. I owe it to them and the fans to come back at a cheaper price.”

    Hats off to Corey Hart for being a class act and getting it.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/09/hart-would-give-brewers-discount-to-stay-in-milwaukee.html

    • Ripsnorter1

      Yes, hats off to Hart, IF he indeed follows through on the
      sentiment of his statements.

  • Tony_Hall

    And the standings that matter to us. Looks like we are going to hold on to the 4th pick with a best case being 3rd pick and worst case being 5th..

    1. Houston 51-101
    2. Miami 56-96 (5 GB)
    3. White Sox 60-92 (9 GB)
    4. Cubs 63-89 (12 GB)
    5. Minnesota 65-86 (14.5 GB)
    6. Seattle 67-85 (16 GB)
    7. NY Mets 63-83 (17.5 GB)
    7. MIlwaukee 68-83 (17.5 GB)
    7. Colorado 69-84 (17.5 GB)
    10. Toronto 69-82 (18.5 GB)

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings2014

  • Tony_Hall

    I have been holding off on posting this but now I have the stat that adds to it.

    Man on 1st, 0 outs – Runs score 44.1% of the time

    So if a bunt is a good move it should INCREASE the % of time that a run scores…..right.

    Man on 2nd, 1 out – 41.8%

    This assumes the bunt worked and doesn’t show the decrease in pct of times the bunt was unsuccessful leaving 1 out and man on 1st still.

    Now why would you want to give up an out and DECREASE the percentage of time you score a run.

    Here is an article that lays it out further.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/erikmalinowski/why-do-baseball-players-still-bunt-so-damn-much

    “It’s the most maddening and demonstrably ineffective strategy in baseball and has been for quite some time. So why do teams keep doing it?”

    “All the numbers say that sacrifice bunting (by and large) isn’t worth the risk, that there are savvier ways to try to create runs, that an out conceded is usually an out wasted. And yet, for these reasons of history, psychology, and nerd-hating-ology, the bunt endures, like a cockroach crawling around baseball’s basement, even as other relatively new practices (like using OPS and WAR more than batting average) become uncontroversial. At this point, after all we’ve learned over the past 30 years, calling for the sacrifice bunt feels like muscle memory more than anything else. Fans (especially those in Cincinnati) should expect better.”

    • Ripsnorter1

      Nice post.

      And it is interesting that the worst manager around, Mr. Dusty Baker,
      uses the bunt more than anybody on the planet. And he’s in 3rd place in
      the Central, even with the likes of Mr. Votto, et al.

      • 07GreyDigger

        I know they extended him, but I don’t get it. That team is uber talented and Baker can’t make them lead the division? It’s mind boggling.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Not if you knew this one fact:

          Jocketty didn’t want him, but the owner of the Reds insisted
          that they keep him.

          “nuf said”

    • cubtex

      Danger Will Robinson….Danger! Stat Overload!!!!!

      This is what is so ridiculous to me about this computer baseball that many people follow! There are SO many factors to consider on what is the BEST way to get a runner into scoring position.
      1. Who is pitching
      2. Who is batting
      3. Who is up next
      4. Do I think it will be a close game where 1 run could make the difference?
      5. Who do I have pitching?

      There are many more than these 5. Do I have confident in the batter that I have at the plate with a runner on 1st being able to advance the runner? Does that hitter strike out a lot? Does that hitter have success against the current pitcher? Does that hitter K alot? Hit into a lot of double plays?

      Look….The percentage to score a run with a man in scoring position is greater than not…so if I have a runner on 1st with no outs and a Carlos Pena type hitter who is in a HUGE slump and has been K ing a lot lately and I need 1 run to win…..What is the better call? Bunt or let him K? You cannot just manage with a computer. Why have a manager. Let R2D2 manage every team.
      It is obvious that you would rather have a runner on 2nd with 1 out than a runner on 1st with 1 out so if the best way to get that runner to 2nd with ALL those factors that I mentioned above is to bunt…..then bunt!

      • Tony_Hall

        Your replies to this show that you didn’t read the article nor did you read my entire post. You don’t get it, you don’t want to get it, you are the guy that is sticking his head in the sand hoping it will all just go away.

        • cubtex

          Of course I get the strategies of baseball. I have played it. The computer nerds who think that a computer can dictate a one way play all type of way is hogwash. And you are the guy who plugs in a computer and thinks that there is 1 correct way to play the game!

          • Tony_Hall

            So unless you made it to the low minors you can’t possible grasp the strategies of baseball? That is pretty ignorant statement.

            There are many ways to play the game and many different moves to make.

            I know if you keep saying these things about me enough times they will just become true, like all of your other repeated statements must be true because you keep saying them.

            You have never managed a game with me to know how I would do anything. I have never heard you talk about managing a team, so I bet you never have.

          • cubtex

            don’t go there Tony. don’t puff your chest out because you manage a 16U team in Illinois. Yes I have managed several select teams here in Texas. Several of my players are playing in professional baseball. I am not going there with you. Illinois summer baseball is not even close to Texas baseball. Not even close.

          • Tony_Hall

            LOL It is about making game decisions. They are always easier from the stands or the couch. Glad that you have that experience. You should know then that it is a different point of view then what players or fans see and you know all of the real reason behind the decisions.

            People from Texas always think that nothing outside of Texas could possibly be good. I know everything is bigger in Texas, just didn’t know it was the egos as well.

          • cubtex

            I grew up playing baseball in the Chicago area all the way thru High School. It is a huge difference. Try and play a “Major” Select Team from Texas and it will be ugly on your end. There is a team here called the “Banditos” that put together the best players in the State and are generally ranked the #1 team in the country. Each year they have several 1st round draft picks who have played in their program.

          • Tony_Hall

            We have teams like that hear to. My nephew is on the Schaumburgh Seminoles that is made up of the best players from all over the state and even have a few players that fly into their tournaments, as they play all over the midwest and as far away as Cincinnati and Atlanta.

            They have players that have been drafted as well and are ranked #1 as well. There are so many baseball groups, that run tournaments that we have lots of champions and lots of #1’s in this country. This is just one of many baseball groups in the greater Chicagoland area.

            That’s the thing, every where you go they are the best.

          • cubtex

            go to banditosbaseballclub.com. Nobody has an organization like that. The Houston Banditos Black team flies kids from all over the state to play in tournaments. Look at their alumni and who they have put in college and got drafted. It is at another level.

          • Tony_Hall

            My nephew’s team has players from Florida that travel to the midwest every weekend to play tournaments. These groups are all over.

            I could give you links to a 20-30 groups like this just in the Chicago area )100’s in the US). Every player who plays in high school plays on a summer team.

            This is my nephews team.
            http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/?u=SEMINOLES&s=baseball&t=c

          • 07GreyDigger

            Toot toot!

          • cubtex

            beep beep. yea. toot toot beep beep yea

          • John_CC

            lol!

          • Tony_Hall

            Also, the teams and baseball groups in Illinois have changed so much in the last 6-8 years, I can only imagine how much they have changed since you played. We compete with teams who play year round and want their kids to practice on Christmas day. We want them to be kids (young men) as well as play baseball as long as possible. Some of these teams are so loaded with talented players though, that it makes you wonder how good the guys like Barney must really be if you saw him on a field where he was the best player.

          • cubtex

            Just looked up the top summer baseball programs in the country and not 1 from Illinois. There is 6 from Texas in the top 22. That is not at all surprising to me. Again…..you have no idea how much of a difference there is.

          • Tony_Hall

            Everyone knows that the farther south you go the better the programs.

            What list were you looking at, do you have a link?

            There are so many different organizations that rank and run tournaments and have World Series that it is really hard to compare teams, since they don’t all play against each other. Hard enough to compare college teams and there are far more high school age teams, yet you think High school rankings are perfect.

          • cubtex

            d1prospect.com/summer_ball I think is where I saw it.

          • Tony_Hall

            File not found

            Ranking lists are done by every tournament program, based on their tournaments. Compiling one master list would be just guess work

          • John_CC

            Try taking your own advice once in awhile.

          • 07GreyDigger

            I don’t understand why you assume that it’s either one or the other. Computer stats aren’t intended to take away the human side of the game, they are to enhance it. To help people make informed decisions.

            In your Carlos Pena example, you wouldn’t have him bunt, because you’d have statistical knowledge to know that he’s terrible at bunting. He’s also not that kind of player.

            To take baseball out of the equation. If you were buying a car, wouldn’t you like to have information telling you the best price value to pay? Or just guess and use your years of experience (that may be helpful, but also could be incorrect) to negotiate?

            I think the issue here is that those of us that like stats in baseball understand that you can’t manage a team from a computer, but they are helpful to make informed baseball decisions and you think that all we care about is what the computer says. It’s not all or nothing.

        • cubtex

          Do you know how ridiculous that is to not factor anything in and just say 40 % here or 41% there?

          • Tony_Hall

            It is over large numbers. All of the possibilities have happened at their rate they happen.

            If you had read everything, you would know that I and others say there are times that bunts make sense. Just no where near as much as you think. Baseball is a game of giving your team the best chance to win. Why when the numbers that tell what those chances are, tell you that you are decreasing your teams chances would you go against them.

          • cubtex

            Like I said there are so many factors to consider about when it is a “right” time to bunt. It isn’t this computer stat showing you the percentages. Stats overload is ruining the game.

          • Tony_Hall

            You should read the article linked above about Pirates coaches and how they use to think like you and now are going to the playoffs, listening to the stat guys.

          • cubtex

            thank god for computer geeks or the Pirates would never have won this year. Yeaaaa computer geeks! In the words of Tony Hall….Please!

          • Tony_Hall

            Try reading the article for a change.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Now play nice boys. =)

          • Tony_Hall

            REALLY we try, but with his head stuck in the sand all the time, it is hard to have an educated conversation with him :)

            If you have kept up today, that ties together a whole bunch of posts.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Yes I know. It leads to an old phrase I used my last 20 years in the Navy… “Work with not against because if your not working with… YOU are working against.”

          • cubtex

            thank um mr hall fer triing to ejucate me. i whadn’t veri smart in dat book stuff

          • TheWrongGuy

            HAHAHA!

          • Tony_Hall

            You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t force him to drink.

            But the horse will die off if he doesn’t drink the water, just like all of the old school baseball guys will be gone from the sport if they don’t learn to use the information that their opponents are using to beat them.

    • Zonk

      Rule #1 of Offense: Don’t make outs. This is why Steals are so overrated and generally they hurt the team more than help.

      Some analysis can get walk crazy, but there is a reason behind it

      Don’t make outs, period.

      • cubtex

        Rule #2. When you have a runner at 3rd and less than 2 outs…..score him any way possible even if it means giving yourself up by hitting a ground ball on the right side or a sac fly. Get the run in!

  • Tony_Hall

    While we are at, here is an article that helps explain pitchers wins and why they are not the best way to see who is the better pitcher, just like batting average is not the best way to see who the best hitter is each year.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/for-modern-day-statistician-winning-isnt-everything/2013/09/18/e0a9d0f2-2075-11e3-94a2-6c66b668ea55_story.html

  • Tony_Hall

    I believe that Sveum (allmanagers) gets far too much blame and far too much credit for a teams success. Yes there are examples of where a manager has made the difference or cost a team, but overall it is the players who make the difference. Most people complain about moves because they go against what they feel is the proper move, and when it doesn’t work, point it out. But they never point it out when it works. Most moves you can use stats to know how effective or ineffective they are over large numbers. The success rate is not that much different on many of these moves, it is more just a different way of doing things.

    I am not about to say Sveum should be extended and is the manager for as long as Theo and Jed are in charge. He may just be the guy to get them through these rebuilding years and then be dumped for a shiny new model without out the issues from these years and the managerial record of losing. It might not be fair, but he knew what he was getting himself into. Managers are hired to be fired. One thing for sure, he won’t be out of a job long, if he is let go.

    • Ripsnorter1

      I don’t see what is so sure that he will be rehired by anyone.
      What evidence do you see that he’s well suited for managing
      a MLB club if the Cubs’ job is no longer available to him?

      Are you suggesting he’s Tom Riggleman: perfect for managing
      losing organizations? BTW, the Nats dumped his hide as soon as
      they started turning the organization around. They didn’t want him around
      Bryce Harper and Steven Strasburg.

      • Tony_Hall

        Once again, you read more into it that is written.

        He won’t be out of a JOB long!

        Never said he would get a MLB managers job right away. He will get coaching offers immediately.

        • Ripsnorter1

          LOL

          Well, I figured he’d get a job somewhere–sweeping the floor
          at a McDonalds, cleaning toilets in a welfare office, something like that–
          but I was speaking about an equivalent job, ie, a manager’s job.

          • Tony_Hall

            If he is fired, it is not likely he will get a MLB managers job and would have to work his way back.

            But I bet he would get a chance again to manage a big league team, as teams like experience and would write off the record as did you see the roster.

          • Ripsnorter1

            You might be right, but what about this:

            The Brewers, when they had a young team and a good chance
            to go somewhere, eschewed Mr. Sveum’s services for another manager.
            Why? It wasn’t publicly stated, but there had to be a reason. Was it because
            they wanted someone else to manager their youth?

            Keith Moreland has said it more than once: it is folly to think you can change a player’s
            approach once he gets to the ML level. He was speaking of Castro and taking pitches, etc.

            BTW: you really have to love the way he’s handled Vitters, Jackson and Watkins, don’t you?
            I mean, along with Barney, Rizzo, Castro, Samardzija. And all of this yelling in the dugout between
            Ed Jackson and Samardzija–things are progressing, don’t you think?

            I don’t.

            Maybe he isn’t the best choice for a young team.

          • Tony_Hall

            I have no issues with players, coaches having disagreements in the dugout, clubhouse, etc. I would prefer they happened out of sight, but if everyone just gets along and agrees with everyone, it does no one any good.

            He has handled the end of year call ups as he has been instructed to do. I do not believe that a player, who has played all summer in the minors, regresses by being around the major league team and not playing much. It still benefits the player to be around major league games, players, and coaches and get a feel for what it is like.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Disagreements can be done without the yelling.

            The yelling is disconcerting–reminds me of Mr. Milton Bradley, esquire.
            Or Mr. Carlos Zambrano.

            It makes me wonder if the problem is Ed Jackson, Samardzija, or….maybe
            Mr. Sveum is the real problem.

          • cubtex

            The problem is that Sveum sits on his hands all year and lets players get away with certain things and then……with a couple of weeks left in the season he tries to make a statement??? You need to set the precedent at the beginning of the year. Remember when Borbon was cut because of “poor baserunning” Did Rizzo make a blunder on the basepath a couple of days later? Was he punished? You can’t have double standards.

          • TheWrongGuy

            I have been waiting to post something on this subject, about Castro not responding well to coaching with his hitting.
            I would like to quote Chicago White Sox announcer “Hawk” Harrelson “You can’t change a latin players approach at the plate they don’t get off the islands by not swinging the bat. They get off he island by swinging the bat.” There was more he said but I think you get the understanding. He said this during the inter-league game at the Cell earlier this year against our CUBS. The current success of Castro, without CUBS hitting coaches in his ear, proves his point. Not to mention I believe I saw that Theo had told the coaches to leave Castro alone in hitting or something to that effect. Anyways there you go as for who is in the “Hot Seat” in my opinion.

          • 07GreyDigger

            You’re quoting Hawk Harrelson? One of the most narrow minded, idiotic and terrible broadcasters in all of sports?!

          • Ripsnorter1

            I agree with you in that I can’t stand to listen to him.

            On the other hand, does that mean he is always wrong?
            And does it mean he is wrong on this point?

          • 07GreyDigger

            The bonus to this season and how awful the White Sox are is when they lose, he doesn’t speak, so one can assume that we haven’t had to listen to him this season.

            As for his point, Castro’s value is in his bat, but does that mean his game is perfect and should be left alone? Or that ANY major leaguer needs to make adjustments to be successful?

          • TheWrongGuy

            Players do need to make adjustments or they WILL get pitched around too much video and player analysis in today’s game not to make adjustments.

            Castro is definitely not perfect. His value is in his bat. But do you need 3 hitting coaches(Dale being a former hitting coach)? 3 coaches in a hitters ear is not good.

          • cubtex

            He freakin got 200 hits in a season as a 21 year old!!! Why the hell would anyone mess with him is beyond me!

          • J Daniel

            100% agree … not easy to hit.

          • 07GreyDigger

            I guess my view is that the FO saw more talent in Castro and they thought by making some adjustments he could tap that potential. Now that we know that he is what he is and he can’t handle new ideas, leave the guy alone.

          • cubtex

            there is no such thing as a perfect player. You build on a players strengths. You don’t take a strength away to try and fix another area.

          • 07GreyDigger

            What did they take away? Hey Castro. Instead of swinging at garbage at getting yourself out, how about taking that pitch and waiting for a good one? What a terrible idea.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Castro’s strength was hitting a low and away pitch and driving it to right field they took that away and said take that pitch. Now he is hitting that pitch and getting more hits.

            They took away a strength and it became a weakness. As I previously posted to quote Chicago White Sox announcer “Hawk” Harrelson “You can’t change a latin players approach at the plate they don’t get off the islands by not swinging the bat. They get off he island by swinging the bat.”

          • Tony_Hall

            If he can drive that pitch he can still swing at it. They want him to stop swinging at pitches he can’t do anything with, like all of us would like to see as well.

          • TheWrongGuy

            HAHAHA!!! True I just remember’d the quote and it drove home the point about Castro’s hitting this year.

          • cubtex

            Exactly. I played with several Latin players in the minors years ago. It is like putting reigns on a race horse! Let em hit!

          • cubtex

            I would bet that Sveum never manages again after this stint. There will be too many up and coming guys who will get a chance over a guy who managed a 100 loss team and 95 loss team back to back.

          • roseyc

            I agree with you on Sveum and would welcome the addition of Giradi to the Cubs. Sveum doesn’t do anything and hasn’t helped anybody’s development. They all have regressed. Castro and Rizzo and Samardzija have taken steps back. They all suceeded because they were given oppourtunities by Theo & Co but have regressed because the problems aren’t recognized by Sveum. He hasn’t said that maybe they needed to be sent down for a time just to wake them up. He’s a better Quade but not adequate to help younger players get over the hump.

          • Tony_Hall

            Once again, you are using your hatred for him to skew your thoughts. Guys like him almost always get a second chance to manage at some point.

          • cubtex

            Really? Like Allen Trammell? Like so many others to mention. I stand by my statement. Sveum will never manage a big league team again.

          • Tony_Hall

            There are always examples of anything you want to say is true. Doesn’t mean it is always true or that you can now call it a blanket statement. I can give you examples the other way, does that negate the ones who never got another chance.

            REALLY!

          • cubtex

            No but chances of a guy getting another managing job with the results of Sveum,Trammel, Lloyd McClendon etc are HIGHLY UNLIKELY

          • Tony_Hall

            REALLY!

          • cubtex

            Why do you take is so personally? Are you related to him? Do you have some sort of connection? I find it humorous how you defend him and think he is this managerial guru. He isn’t the first manager who has failed miserably and won’t be the last.

          • Tony_Hall

            Where do you see me defending him or saying he should be around forever?

            I just hate when peoples come backs are REALLY or start with REALLY like you do so often, so I thought I would use that as my reply to see how it works.

          • cubtex

            oh. I didn’t even realize what the hell you were doing. So the word…..Really? pushes your hot button? haha

          • Tony_Hall

            No,it is more my BS meter. It tells me you don’t REALLY believe what you are saying, so you have to over emphasis it.

            Remember I am in sales, I can tell more about someone by how they phrase things or say things, then the words they say, which I would assume you can to….maybe that is why we go round and round :)

        • cubtex

          sure he can get a minor league job as a coach.

      • triple

        Thanks for sharing your opinion. The facts are that his name is Jim Riggleman and he resigned while the team was playing really great baseball because he felt disrespected by the front office.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Thanks. Jim resigned when they would not renew his contract for next year.
          So he quit early.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Well now….is Team Theo reading the CCO?

    (Answer: I think so).

    It appears that (finally!) Team Theo is looking at Sveum like
    Cubtex evaluates the Cubs’ manager.
    [Incredibly loud screams of disbelief, outrage, and resentment].

    Read this again:
    “Patrick Mooney reported Thursday night “there are real questions inside the organization about whether or not Dale Sveum should return to manage the Cubs in 2014.” According to Mooney’s sources, there has been building concerns about player development, namely the season-long struggles of Starlin Castro, Anthony Rizzo and Darwin Barney as well as the second half that Jeff Samardzija has put together.”

    Who has been saying that the entire second half?

    Now the question: is Sveum the only one that needs to be fired?
    How about Jed and Theo themselves. Aren’t they the ones that insisted
    that these players change their approaches for “the Cubs’ way?”

    Ah, but you can’t fire the boss. After all, they’re the ones who brought in Baez (NOT!).

    • Tony_Hall

      Do you want a list of who they have brought in? They took a bottom 5 system and turned it into a Top 5 system in less than 2 years.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Yes, I like Almora, Bryant, and some others.

        But the fact is that a top 5 system means nothing until
        they produce at the ML level.

        AND top 5 systems can go 20 years and have very little
        impact talent in them. Check out KC, Pittsburgh for example.

        So I am not yet ready to sing the praises of Team Theo for class A
        Daytona taking the crown. Let’s hold that off until the Cubs MLB team
        actually wins something.

        AND the fact remains that Sveum is going to get canned for
        doing exactly what they wanted him to do.

        • Tony_Hall

          I agree, but you can see the talent level rising. Just 2 years ago we had BJAX, Vitters, McNutt has top prospects, Now they don’t crack the Top 10. When scouts use to talk about the Cubs prospects, they would say that guy and that guy, now they can just keep going on and on about the elite prospects and the depth of prospects.

          No guarantees with any player, even major league players, but the volume of elite and volume of prospects that are seen as having major league careers, means that some will make it.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Most of the talent level rising is in the form of Mr. Baez.
            Yes, there are other prospects that look promising.

            How about this, Mr. Hall:
            The most successful prospects the Cubs have had are the
            unheralded ones. Let’s look at Mr. Jr. Lake, for example. He
            wasn’t nearly so heralded as either Mr. Jackson or Mr. Vitters, but
            he has enjoyed far more ML success. The same could be said for
            Rusin, and Barney, DJ LeMahieu, et al.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Another thing to consider about a top 5 system is the trade value. We talk about all these guys like they’ll make the big club. Some of them won’t, I would imagine some of these guys are going to be traded for impact pitching or position players. That’s the hidden value of a top 5 system. Sure, you want your young guys to play well for you, but you can also turn them into proven, young stars too.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Yup. Like the Garza trade.

          • cubtex

            Impact pitching? What players do you imagine could net a return of an impact pitcher? It would have to be one of the top prospects….ie Baez,Bryant

          • 07GreyDigger

            Exactly. I meant more along the lines of Soler, Vogelbach or CJ Edwards. Depends on what deal comes around.

          • cubtex

            teams do not give up impact pitching very often…..especially without getting pitching back in return.

          • TheWrongGuy

            very much agree’d

          • 07GreyDigger

            They will for a quality SS prospect. Alcantara comes to mind.

          • Tony_Hall

            This will all change next year as Baez, Bryant’s, etc start being called up.

  • BosephHeyden

    I don’t think he should stick around. Avoiding the “tarnished credentials” bit again, the very basic part of this is that he’s an offensive minded coach, brought in for his success with offenses, and this team is almost completely offensive-anemic. If you’re of the mindset that coaches play a significant part in the development of players, then you can look at that and see a Sveum-less Cubs team next season is for the best. Likewise, if you think a manager has very little to do with a team’s success, then a Sveum-less Cubs team shouldn’t matter one bit.

    I know the FO has been hitting home the fact that it isn’t about “wins and losses”, but they had to do something wrong to get to 90+ (which they will).

    All this being said, I feel like this is the FO throwing out the same lines every other team throws out to make it seem like they’re putting in extra work for next year’s sure-to-be losing season so people still buy tickets, and Sveum will last his contract.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    This does not surprise me. Castro, Rizzo and others will need to be taken to the next level if this team is going to win a title…players need better input by their coach……i.e. Chicago Bulls and Collins / Jackson.
    the other day I talked about Scoscia, Gardenhire and Girardi who might send signals to Theo…..
    We have a great farm system with great players on the rise……how many of you are comfortable having Dale guiding these guys?
    It was mistake it seems hiring Dale….bigger mistake keeping him around.
    We will be pushing that Cubs rebuilding progress back another a year…..or two if Dale stays.

  • cubtex

    I’ll believe Sveum will be fired when there is a signed contract in place for a replacement. If Team Theo really does evaluate everything for Sveum, Player development,Game Management etc….This will be the quickest evaluation process in history. Theo to Jed….How did our core players do this year??? Jed…Ummmmm. Theo…What was our record in 1 run games? Jed…..Ummmmm. Theo….Jed, do you believe that Dale put the club in the best possible situations to compete on a daily basis and give this team a chance to win? Check Check Check.

    • TheWrongGuy

      HAHAHA! WOW Ray I get the feeling you don’t like Sveum much?

      That was a joke by the way.

      • cubtex

        Seriously…..How hard would it be to evaluate him???

        • TheWrongGuy

          Not to hard I agree. But there are things done or not done behind closed doors that we don’t know about/don’t see.
          I believe Shark said the argument recently was rated a 1. As far as CUBS team arguments.

        • Ripsnorter1

          They hired him to lose.

          He’s done a great job of that.

          Why would they complain? They want the high draft picks, and
          he’s almost delivering them.

  • TheWrongGuy

    I like the info about Tony Pena in this posting. But looking at The track record of Jed and Theo evaluations. I would believe they might consider going after another latin they have already interviewed the same time that Dale was hired, Sandy Alomar Jr. Who is currently working with Theo’s good buddy Francona in Clevland.

    • cubtex

      Ozzie Guillen? Haha..Just kidding!

      • TheWrongGuy

        =) I don’t believe Soler would be happy with him at manager.

        • cubtex

          I wouldn’t either. Can you imagine Guillen with Theo? I would love to be a fly on the wall on some of those meetings that they would have to have.

          • TheWrongGuy

            I don’t believe they would ever be on topic for the interview.

  • jtrain23

    I am a bit torn on this issue. I am definitely not happy with the end result of the last two seasons. I would think any Cubs fan would agree to that fact. However, can we blame all of that on Sveum? He has had no consistency on the team outside of a few young guys. It has been a revolving door of fringe major leaguers that were banished from other organizations and low market free agent rentals that were shipped at midseason for prospects. Nobody could be expected to win consistently with that formula.
    The real concern for me, however, is the development of the young “stars” on the Cubs team. If we face facts, the guys that the Cubs hope will factor into long term success have greatly struggled this season. The real question is: Is this Sveum’s fault? Is it the fault of the other coaches? Have these players been tainted by the change in their approach that has been pushed on them by the new regime? I don’t know the answer to any of these questions, but I would assume that Team Theo will work hard to figure the answers out. The future of our coaching staff will likely depend on their evaluations to said questions, but I predict there will be at least some change in the dugout before next spring.

    • TheWrongGuy

      Good posting jtrain

    • 07GreyDigger

      Yay! One person gets it!

  • Rick Barkan

    Epstein already blew it by not hiring Sandberg. Although who knows if he would have done any better with what he had to work with.

    • TheWrongGuy

      And who says Sandberg would have taken the job? I have heard a lot of people saying Sanberg for manager, including myself. But I don’t know that Sandberg would have taken the job.

  • JasonOfTheBurbs

    *apparently necessary caveat*
    I never played organized ball after age 11 or so.
    Also, I never coached. Pretty sure I know what I am talking about, and you don’t need that on your resume to be an educated and intelligent fan of mlb.
    *end caveat*
    I think Dale is an ok mlb mgr, but results are all that matters, and his job was to keep this “core” young on an upward trajectory, and outside of Travis Wood, I have not seen much. Plus, how much of the credit for Wood should go to Wood, or the pitching coach, for just being a smarter pitcher? But then how do you explain that Shark is gonna be pushing 30 and we still are waiting for him to “realize his potential”?
    I have no idea who the right fit is, but the hitting of Castro, Rizzo, and even Barney, should make them at least explore if they have the right hitting coach. Rizzo at least has plate discipline to mask the poor avg…Rizzo and Barney have 2 of the lowest OBP of any everyday players in all of mlb.
    You can probably make the argument that if 2-3 better hitters were scattered in the lineup around Rizzo and Castro, that they would see better pitches, etc… Probably true, but most elite players still have elite stats, whether their team sucks or not. I just can’t point to much that has gone right this year at the mlb level. The trades were all positive…so I am referring more to the guys we kept around.

    • cubtex

      what do you know? you never played ball past the age of 11.

      Disclaimer-this was a joke.

    • TheWrongGuy

      Rizzo has a good OBP. Just has a really bad contact rate this year at the plate. Or as other stat guru’s would say poor BABIP. Other than that I agree 100%. We don’t know what gets said behind closed doors in team meetings/arguments.