Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Reds – 08/14/13

Game One Hundred Twenty: Cubs (52-67) vs. Reds (67-52)

  • Game Time – 1:20pm CDT
  • Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channels 183/844
  • Location – Wrigley Field, Chicago

Chris Rusin (2-1, 3.08/1.29) vs. Bronson Arroyo (10-9, 3.51/1.14)

The Cubs will try to salvage the final game of the series against the Reds this afternoon behind Chris Rusin. The Cubs’ other lefty in the rotation is coming off a good start in St. Louis and will have the tough task of shutting down the Reds’ offense in their home park. The Reds dominance over the Cubs at Wrigley Field has gone from frustrating to ridiculous. The Cubs are 1-8 against the Reds this season at Wrigley and are 1-14 in their last 15 games at Wrigley versus Dusty Baker’s team. Maybe the Cubs should make the Reds feel a little uncomfortable at the Friendly Confines for the first time in more than two years.

Dale Sveum should load his lineup with as many lefties as possible today. Bronson Arroyo has owned the Cubs for years but he does struggle with left-handed batters. Lefties are hitting .286/.322/.446 with 13 home runs off Arroyo this year while right-handers are hitting .215/.250/.324 with six home runs.

Dale Sveum figures to have a full bullpen today with the exception of Eduardo Sanchez. James Russell, Blake Parker and Kevin Gregg were not extended on Tuesday night and Pedro Strop threw only 16 pitches in 1 2/3 innings.

This afternoon all starts with Chris Rusin

Chris Rusin is coming off a very good outing against the Cardinals. Rusin tossed six innings of shutout ball in St. Louis, his second scoreless outing in the majors this season. The Cardinals managed seven hits and two walks off Rusin but he used the pitcher’s spot to his advantage and kept the Redbirds off the board. Rusin struck out a season-high five batters in route to his second win of the year.

Rusin will face a huge challenge this afternoon. Rusin has made only one other start at Wrigley this season and it was not a good outing. Rusin allowed four runs on seven hits with three walks and four strikeouts in five innings to the Dodgers. Rusin said he learned a lot from that outing.

Chris Rusin is 1-1 in three starts at Wrigley in his short time in the majors with a 6.60 ERA and a 1.73 WHIP. A good outing today would go a long way to Rusin staying in the rotation for the remainder of the season.

Chris Rusin makes his second career start against the Redlegs this afternoon. Rusin did not fare too well last September 19 at Wrigley. Joey Votto and company scored five runs on 10 hits with two walks and two strikeouts in five innings.

Reds Career Numbers against Chris Rusin

  • Jay Bruce – 0-for-3
  • Ryan Ludwick – 1-for-2 with a walk
  • Brandon Phillips – 1-for-3
  • Joey Votto – 2-for-3 with a double

A struggling Cubs’ offense will have the joy of facing Bronson Arroyo this afternoon. Arroyo has owned the Cubs during his time with the Reds since Theo Epstein traded him to Cincinnati for Wily Mo Pena prior to the 2006 season.

Arroyo is coming off an excellent outing against the Padres. Arroyo allowed one run on four hits with no walks and seven strikeouts in seven innings of work. Arroyo rebounded nicely from his horrible outing against the Cardinals and picked up a win. Arroyo is 2-2 in four starts since the break with a 3.96 ERA and a 1.20 WHIP.

Bronson Arroyo has already beaten the Cubs once this season. Arroyo held the Cubs to three runs on six hits with two walks and two strikeouts in six innings in the Queen City on May 24. Arroyo is 12-9 in 29 career games, 27 starts, against the Cubs with a 3.04 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP … and at Wrigley Field, 7-3 in 14 games, 13 starts, with a 3.06 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Bronson Arroyo

  • Darwin Barney – 2-for-17
  • Starlin Castro – 6-for-23 with a double and a home run
  • David DeJesus – 4-for-22 with two walks
  • Cole Gillespie – 0-for-1
  • Dioner Navarro – 1-for-7 with a walk
  • Anthony Rizzo – 3-for-11
  • Nate Schierholtz – 4-for-13 with two doubles

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    DeJesus CF
    McDonald LF
    Rizzo 1B
    Castillo C
    Schierholtz RF
    Murphy SS
    Watkins 2B
    Ransom 3B
    Rusin P

    • daverj

      Sadly amusing that not one guy in that lineup would start for the Reds … and likely only Rizzo and Schierholtz would make their 25 man roster.

      • 07GreyDigger

        You don’t think they’d start Castillo over Mesoraco or Hanigan? Castro over Cozart? How about DeJesus over any of the LF’s they’ve used in Ludwick’s absence.

        • daverj

          Where do you see Castro’s name in today’s line-up above?

          I don’t think the Reds would start Castillo over Mesoraco or Hanigan. I like Castillo, but the Cubs would trade Castillo for Mesoraco in a heatbeat. And Dusty loves Hanigan’s defense.

          As for DeJesus … yes, while Ludwick and Heisey were out with injuries, DeJesus would have been an upgrade over Xavier Paul, but both Heisey and Ludwick are back now.

          • 07GreyDigger

            I think Castillo would be an upgrade over Hanigan. But that’s my opinion.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Bunch of news this morning … first, Josh Vitters reinjured his hamstring during last night’s game. May need to go back to DL.

    • paulcatanese

      The guy has no luck at all. Dealing with something like that can really be a heavy trip
      with his mind.

      • Dorasaga

        It’s not luck. He’s not as talented as Hendry and Watkin* thought.
        *(spelling? the then scout director, now promoted to Sp.Adv.?)

        I saw Josh had good reflexes; he made splendid diving catches of sharp linedrives. He reminded me of Joe Crede. But just like Crede, Vitters never developed plate discipline throughout his pro years. Now it seems that like Joe, Josh is an injury-prone first draft-pick who’ll lose another chance to play daily this year. Unlike Crede, unfortunately, Vitters has not established himself as a premium 3rd base defender.

        Sometimes, you just need to raise both hands up, and say, he’ll never be that good.

        • 07GreyDigger

          How do injuries equate to lack of talent? Injuries are random. That’s what Paul meant.

          • Dorasaga

            Not the whole story. Injury is not random. Some players are more injury-prone than others. Recovery is not random. Prevention is not random. Some players are more disciplined in life, and are extra-careful to maintain their pro-career. Ian Stewart is not random. Aging well and minimizing the harm of the hurt that might endanger a player’s career, that’s not random. Jim Thome is not random.

            You can have Roy Halladay who’s only injured three times in his career. In his previous two times, he worked his way back and pitched great for his club again, for more than a decade. You can also have Kerry Wood, just as an example to contrast. As great as Woody could be, he got injuries every two years, and could be good but sometimes bad. His 2007 pre-season, remember when he pulled his muscle so bad after a shower, he could not come back until late August? That’s why he needed to relieve, not starting, to relieve his arms, no pun intended.

            It’s life, it sucks, but deal with it. The Cubs failed too many times with their first draft-pick. Undisciplined, freak injuries, never good again after “accident” happened.

            I don’t believe those are coincidence. Those players weren’t good to start with. Sustainability is not random. It’s a combination of skills, wisdom, and determination.

          • 07GreyDigger

            I don’t think its fair to call players who are injury prone, ones that are not as strict about conditioning. Without watching them, how do we know what a player does to stay in shape or how he rehabs from an injury?

            It could be said, that Vitters kept rushing back from this injury because he knew his window of opportunity was closing, not because he wasn’t taking care of himself.

            Yes, it may be true that this first round pick didn’t work out, but I really don’t think level of talent has to do with ability to come back from injury.

            Look at Albert Pujols. All the talent in the world and he’s been struggling with injuries.

          • Dorasaga

            We don’t know. That’s why we study the results. We compare players. We use as many info. (stats, scouting reports, “eye test”) as possible. In the end, 98% of the players became predictable–who either improved and stick with the Big leaguers, or could not because there were always something that went wrong with them.

            Pujols is the greatest proof of my next thought. Wilkens would never drafted Pujols. Scouts made mistakes. There were interviews with scouts we saw Pujols. Pujols hit great in highschool. But he was a quiet man. He didn’t speak good English. Scouts asked his opponents, who spoke fluent English, and said Pujols lied about his age. The scouts stopped right there. They thought Pujols is an adult overpowering kids. They didn’t like his defense at shortstop.

            What they didn’t ask is that he was deeply in love with his highschool darling, and he was a down to earth workaholic. He was bound to improve, not at shortstop.

            But scouts didn’t ask for these. They underrated Pujols with the same mentality as they overrated those first round draft picks who never made it, whom the Cubs were so fond and eventually released.

          • 07GreyDigger

            I really wasn’t arguing whether Vitters was a failed first round pick or not. Chances are he is, I was more agreeing with Paul that he can’t catch a break with injuries. I just don’t think talent level equates with injuries.

          • Dorasaga

            I perhaps didn’t define what’s a “talent level.” I mean, are we talking about “overall skills to sustain in a pro sport”? Or are we more specific? Were we thinking of Bo Jackson? or Ernie Banks? They both had injuries, esp. Bo. Playing football the way he was, he was bound to injure himself. And after that, he was never good enough. How about Ernie? His best years as BOTH a fielding shortstop and great slugger were coincidental. He had injury and was moved to first base, never great again, though “relatively good” to stick with the Major. Was Ernie a better talent than Bo? Worth thinking.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Tim Wilkens.

          And yes, I think you are right. There’s still some time left, but work ethic
          and the clock are working against him.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Jacob Hannemann has a slight tear in right non-throwing elbow. rehab and rest prescribed. no surgery.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Iowa Cubs roster moves: catcher Luis Flores activated from DL,Chad Noble assigned to Double-A Tennessee & Jeff Antigua promoted to Iowa

    • Dorasaga

      I’ve been hearing about Antigua for years on CCO, and he’s finally close to our door, or monitor, so to speak.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Jake Arrieta will be recalled prior to Friday afternoon’s game against the Cardinals. Arrieta will start Friday’s game and will remain in the rotation for the remainder of the season. Carlos Villanueva has been moved to the pen.

    Cubs will have to send out a reliever.

    • daverj

      Looking forward to seeing 6 weeks of Arrieta. Hoping he can be a quality #4 starter type down the line.

    • J Daniel

      Neil and All,
      What is the early take on Jake? Is he a guy that can fill a rotation spot for the future?

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Without a doubt Arrieta has the stuff to be a starter in the
        big leagues. His problem has been between the ears and he’s just not been able
        to throw enough quality strikes. Some feel that if he cannot be a starter, he
        has the mentality to pitch in the back of a bullpen and possibly close games.

        • J Daniel

          Thanks, Neil! Hopefully he can do it as a starter!

    • 07GreyDigger

      One would assume that Eduardo Sanchez or Michael Bowden should pack their bags.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Rotation vs Cardinals will be Arrieta on Fri, Wood on Sat, Jackson on Sun

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Four pitches and less than 5 minutes … 1-0 Reds

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    DeJesus with a single to leadoff the fourth …

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Arroyo has faced the minimum through 5 innings

  • cubtex

    Just read where Sveum sat Castro today due to the fact of how much he is struggling at the plate. OK. I understand that but what about Rizzo? Compare Castro’s recent month to Rizzo and it isn’t even close.

    Castro
    last 7 days .292 Avg
    last 28 days .252

    Rizzo
    last 7 days .148 Avg
    last 14 days .167

    last 28 .210

    Give them both days off. He is killing Rizzo and the team by insisting to keep him in the 3 spot.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Rusin had a good outing, really settled down after allowing
    the home run to Frazier on his fourth pitch of the game.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    I believe Dusty Baker won more games at Wrigley as a visiting team manager than being the Cubs manager.

    • Brp921

      Dusty wasn’t my favorite manager and I didn’t agree with all he did, but I think he got a bad rap in Chicago. He’s had success in his career.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        Did you know it was Dusty and a Dodgers team mate player named Burke who started the “High Fives” in baseball……..just some baseball trivia.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Maybe WGN / CSN should switch to broadcasting the Tenn. Smokies ball games?

    • Brp921

      They’ve got no offense and a killer schedule down the stretch, which is why I say a hundred losses aren’t out of the question, but I’m starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

      • cubtex

        move away from that light BRP :)

        • Brp921

          Funny:)

          • cubtex

            16 games under .500 and falling fast. If Sveum puts out lineups like he did today…100 losses are a possibility

          • 07GreyDigger

            That lineup was pretty awful. I know you hate WAR, but here’s a great example of it in practice. I used their average career WAR to illustrate my point.

            Today’s lineup:
            Dejesus 2.1
            McDonald 0.2
            Rizzo 1.4
            Castillo 1.2
            Schierholtz 0.8
            Murphy -0.1
            Watkins 0.0
            Ransom 0.1
            Total: 5.7

            Usual lineup (lately)
            DeJesus 2.1
            Lake 0.4
            Rizzo 1.4
            Castillo 1.2
            Schierholtz 0.8
            Castro 1.9
            Valbuena 0.4
            Barney 1.7
            Total: 9.9

            Today’s lineup was about 40% worse than it usually is. Granted the second lineup this season hasn’t been much better, but that’s quite a dropoff.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Let’s lose another 100. Why not? It would be a testament
            to his ability to draft players.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs lost 5-0 to the Reds on Wednesday afternoon – Chris Rusin:
    2R, 3H, 1BB, 3K in 6IP (76 pitches, 50 strikes)

    Cubs offense: 2 hits, 0 walks,
    HBP; Cubs shut out for 4th time in last 5 games at Wrigley; DeJesus:
    1-3, HBP; McDonald: 1-4

  • cubtex

    2 friggin Singles. 9 innings and all we got is 2 friggin singles???

    • paulcatanese

      With todays lineup, 2 singles are more than I thought they would have.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Bryant homered again

  • Tom U

    Relief pitcher Armando Rivero has just been assigned to the Tennessee Smokies.

  • cubtex

    Sori is on one of those Sori streaks. Grand Slam and 2 run double tonight. 6 RBI again today. 12 RBI in 2 games. That’s more RBI than the Cubs have in the month :)

    • Brp921

      We could have used him this past week.

      • cubtex

        That’s my argument against WAR. You don’t think he has helped the Yankees more than 1 win above replacement? BS. He has helped them win at least 4 games already. Everyone was so quick to want him gone and you can see the effect he had on the Cubs lineup!

        • Brp921

          There’s no question our line up misses him, but I still agreed with trading him. We weren’t going anywhere and it freed up a little money and at this point I want to move up as high in the draft as we can. I agree about the games he won for the Yankees. That’s the bad part of the trade:(

        • Tony_Hall

          He has helped them win 4 games???? Please, are you counting the games he helped them lose, as I watch very little Yankee games and saw him lose one game because of his poor route in LF to a ball. If you want to give credit to just one AB or two in a game for the WHOLE win, then you have to give blame for the WHOLE loss to one AB or two in a game.

          WAR spreads the win over all that contribute and takes 45 wins as a base line. Why you take it so literal is beyond me, except that it helps you discredit it. Of course one only so vehemently discredits and mocks what they don’t understand.

        • Tony_Hall

          Congrats to Soriano, BTW, as he is getting a few more meaniful games in, before they go home like the rest of the non-playoff teams.

        • Tony_Hall

          The Yankees are 7-8 since Soriano arrived and you think he deserves credit for 4 wins and the rest of the players 0 as WAR is based on 45 Wins, and their record would be at 83 wins on a full season. So their WAR would be 38 TOTAL for the whole team out of 83 wins, so out of 7 wins they would have 3.2 WAR to distribute….and yet you feel he should get credit for 4 wins……..I guess the rest of the team has a negative 0.8 WAR over the last few weeks, even though their winning pct was higher before Soriano.

          • cubtex

            7 HR 21 RBI in 17 games. Enough said!

          • Tony_Hall

            That would put him on pace for 66 HR’s and 200 RBI’s, yet his avg would still be 250 and OBP would still be 270 and his team would be 81-81, still out of the playoffs.

            He has always been able to have hot streaks, even if the Yankees hold on tonight they will be 8-8 with him, below the teams winning pct before he arrived. There is more to baseball than hitting HR’s (not that that means they aren’t important), but he does little else even average.