Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Cardinals – 08/18/13

Game One Hundred Twenty-Three: Cubs (53-69) vs. Cardinals (70-52)

  • Game Time – 1:20pm CDT
  • Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channels 189/844
  • Location – Wrigley Field, Chicago

Edwin Jackson (7-12, 5.05/1.41) vs. Adam Wainwright (13-7, 2.71/1.05)

The Cubs will try to bounce back from another shut out and take another series from the Cardinals this afternoon behind Edwin Jackson.

The Cubs have been shut out at Wrigley five times in their last seven games. Anthony Rizzo and Starlin Castro are two of the big reasons as to why the Cubs are not scoring runs. Rizzo and Castro were a combined 2-for-22 on the homestand (1-5) prior to Saturday’s game. Rizzo went 0-for-3 with a walk and Castro was 0-for-2 before he was taken out of the game.

Dale Sveum would not commit one way or the other if Starlin Castro would be in the starting lineup for today’s game. Castro expects to be in the lineup after being benched for another mental gaffe. Sveum’s decision will make headlines, whether Castro is in the lineup or not.

The Cubs have been a much better team on the road this season (29-32) than at Wrigley. The Cubs enter play this afternoon 13 games under .500 at home (24-37) while only being outscored by 21 runs (273-252).

Today is the last matchup of the year between the Cubs and Cardinals at Wrigley Field. The Cubs are 7-8 in the 15 games against the Redbirds this season and the long-time rivals wrap up the 2013 campaign with three in St. Louis at the end of September (Sept. 27-Sept. 29).

This afternoon all starts with Edwin Jackson

Edwin Jackson’s last start came against the Cardinals a week ago, and it was not good early on. Jackson gave up three runs in the first inning and put his team in an early hole. The Cubs battled back, tied the game and took him off the hook. Jackson last only five innings and gave up four runs on six hits with three walks and two strikeouts. The top of the Redbirds offense lit him up and hopefully that will not happen again this afternoon.

After just a tremendous July in which Edwin Jackson posted a 3-1 record in five starts with a 1.83 ERA and a 0.87 WHIP, Jackson has reverted back to his early season performance in his last two outings. Jackson is 0-1 in his last two starts with a 9.90 ERA and a 2.10 WHIP. The five walks and 16 hits allowed in 10 innings is a good indication of just how flat his stuff has been. Jackson was able to throw quality strikes during his best run of the year, but as has been the case throughout his career, the lack of consistency continues to cost him.

Edwin Jackson has improved dramatically at Wrigley and is 4-5 in 10 home starts with a 4.72 ERA and a 1.46 WHIP. And Jackson will face one of his former teams for the fourth time this season.

Edwin Jackson is 1-1 in three starts against the Redbirds with a 4.15 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP.

Cardinals Numbers against Edwin Jackson in 2013

  • Matt Adams – 0-for-1
  • Carlos Beltran – 2-for-8 with a walk
  • Matt Carpenter – 4-for-9 with a double
  • Allen Craig – 4-for-7 with a double and two walks
  • Daniel Descalso – 0-for-2
  • David Freese – 1-for-4 with a double
  • Matt Holliday – 2-for-7 with a walk
  • Jon Jay – 1-for-6
  • Pete Kozma – 0-for-6
  • Yadier Molina – 1-for-6 with a home run

The Cubs did not have the pleasure of facing Adam Wainwright last weekend … and they were not too happy about it. Well, it is best to be careful what you ask for because sometimes you might just get it. And today the Cubs will see one of the best starting pitchers in the game.

Adam Wainwright is coming off a no decision against the Pirates. Wainwright allowed three runs on five hits in seven innings to the Pirates with three walks and six strikeouts. The Cardinals won the game and are 5-5 in his last ten starts.

The last month has not been very kind to Adam Wainwright. After posting a 4-2 record in six starts in June with a 1.77 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP, Wainwright has been human of late and is 1-2 in his last five starts with a 3.75 ERA and a 1.22 WHIP.

Adam Wainwright makes his third start of the season against the Cubs this afternoon. Wainwright is 0-1 in his first two starts with a 5.54 ERA and a 1.23 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Adam Wainwright  

  • Darwin Barney – 8-for-21 with two doubles and a home run
  • Welington Castillo – 0-for-5
  • Starlin Castro – 6-for-19 with a double, a triple and two walks
  • David DeJesus – 9-for-23 with three doubles, a triple and two home runs
  • Cole Gillespie – 2-for-3
  • Edwin Jackson – one walk
  • Donnie Murphy – 0-for-1
  • Dioner Navarro – 2-for-5 with a walk
  • Cody Ransom – 3-for-6 with a home run
  • Anthony Rizzo – 3-for-9
  • Nate Schierholtz – 2-for-11 with two doubles

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    DeJesus LF
    Lake CF
    Rizzo 1B
    Schierholtz RF
    Castillo C
    Murphy 3B
    Castro SS
    Barney 2B
    Jackson P

    • BosephHeyden

      Had they taken Castro out, one group would have applauded Sveum for showing no one is above the team, while the other would go on about how he’ll kill Castro’s already-low morale. Now that he’s in, one group will applaud Sveum for not giving up on the team’s future, while the other will give him grief for not sticking to his guns.

      I look at it as “who else do they have that can play SS that also can hit?” and, really, the answer isn’t anywhere on this roster. Only one or two guys are hitting with any real consistency. Everyone else can’t do it. Castro being in there or not won’t solve anything.

      • Denver Mike

        Thank goodness the front office and coaching staff doesn’t defer to the fan base, with all of us critics out here how would they know who to listen to? Haha

      • cubtex

        It is the right move to put him back in. A message was delivered yesterday loud and clear. He is part of the future and it is important to put him right back out there.

        • Brp921

          I think his owning up to his mistake probably helped in the decision process as well.

  • Tony_Hall

    Just saw that the Cubs are 19-36 in their division, that has to change, as you can’t win your division or finish high enough for a wild card spot, if you don’t have a good record against your division.

    But, the one good thing I see is that makes the Cubs 34-33 outside of their division. Which is not too bad.

    • cubtex

      they also need to win a hell of alot more games at home. only the Astros are worse.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      I would say that is the formula since this game began since late 1800’s …..going to be a winner, you need to win your division.

      • Brp921

        Or at least since 1969.

  • cubtex

    Has Sveum given any explanation on why and when he flip flops Lake and DeJesus between CF and LF? Neil?

    • Denver Mike

      He uses his lucky wooden nickel

      • cubtex

        wrong nickel today :)

        • Denver Mike

          wow, he really muffed that one

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      He has stuck to his plan. The Cubs want to see Lake in center a couple of days a week. They were using him in center against lefties, but the Cubs are not facing any southpaws for a while and they wanted to keep to the plan with Lake.

      He is not flip-flopping, he is following their plan.

      • cubtex

        Thanks. I was just wondering if there is any rhyme or reason as to when he does it. I did not know that about the southpaws. Thanks for the reply.

  • cubtex

    1 run. That might be all the Cards need today.

  • Dorasaga

    The Cardmen got Edwin good. All grounders, strong, but at least not line drives. That’s positive. I’m expecting Jackson to put himself together for the next few innings.

    • cubtex

      Jay’s was a line drive the other way.

      • Dorasaga

        Yea, but everything else that went outfield were grounders. I don’t think Edwin made bad pitches. The Cardinals probably stole sign or something, like a perfect scouting or reading his rotation, something.

        • cubtex

          He makes so many mistakes that good hitters capitalize on. He’s got good stuff but his command in the zone is terrible. That has always been his problem.

          • Dorasaga

            Can’t agree all. He pitched good strikes, not just throwing today. He had command issues, but that’s not why the Card got him by swinging on top of each pitch (result: groundballs).

  • cubtex

    Wow!

  • Dorasaga

    Junior needs a better sunglasses. And use both hands. Learning curve, kid.

    • cubtex

      He wasn’t even positioned properly

      • Dorasaga

        He’ll learn.

      • Denver Mike

        I decided to put the LLWS on TV #2 to offset the lack of fundamentals on #1

        • cubtex

          I’m with you but I am watching track and field.

      • CerranoReadyNow

        So centerfield is the easiest position huh?…

        • cubtex

          Did you see how easy he dropped that fly? :)

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      He was out of position too

  • Dorasaga

    I think kids playing organized baseball can learn a lot from watching these Cardinals. I like how they ran the bases. Jay and Wong took swift and sharp turns at third, so they wouldn’t waste a second to home plate.

  • GaryLeeT

    No Jackson start would be complete without an early inning crooked number.

  • Denver Mike

    Looks like I may be spending another afternoon by the pool. At this rate the Cubs are gonna give me melanoma.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      Looks like you picked the wrong week of stop putting #30 sunblock lotion on yourself.

    • cubtex

      Mike, if you are still sunning….a good way to get an even tan is to flip sides after each Edwin Jackson pitch with runners on base. About 15 minutes each side :)

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Excellent play from Barney

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    What a catch by Rizzo

  • Ripsnorter1

    After 5 full innings, the Cubs have two hits.

    So who has the two hits?
    Jr. Lake, who has cooled off of late, and
    Mr. Starlin Castro, who was pulled to cool his heels on the bench.

    This is good. I hope the Cubs continue to lose so they can draft #4.
    Let’s lose ‘em all!

    • cubtex

      What will this be if they get shutout? 6 out of the last 8 home games?

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Yes, it would have been.

        • Ripsnorter1

          He jinxed ‘em.

          Way to go, Cubtex.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Junior Lake with a RBI double

    • cubtex

      They scored!

  • cubtex

    What is the date that they can expand the roster and bring up some minor leaguers?

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Sept 1

      • cubtex

        thanks. right around the corner.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Bogusevic and Sweeney will be activated then. Alberto Cabrera will be called up, along with Brooks Raley. I think they will see what he can do against lefties as a reliever. I would also think Justin Grimm will be called up. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them adjust the rotation to accommodate him and help limit Wood and Samardzija’s innings.

      • cubtex

        I was going to ask you about Grimm. You think they will give him a couple of starts?

      • Tony_Hall

        6 man rotation the rest of the way?

      • cubtex

        Cabrera seems to struggle out of the pen. He was pitching well in AA as a starter but moved him to the pen in AAA. Walks too many as a reliever. I would like to see them keep him as a starter in AAA next year.

        • Tony_Hall

          Out of options

          • cubtex

            too bad

          • Tony_Hall

            I agree, he has to win a rotation spot (not likely) or be in the bullpen. He may be the Villanueva replacement if they trade him.

          • cubtex

            Rosscup is who I really want to see. He has ridiculous K numbers.

          • cubtex

            3.2 IP after his promotion to Iowa with 10 K’s!

          • cubtex

            I am tired of Russell with his flat stuff.

          • Tony_Hall

            Relievers are so up and down. That is why teams need lots of them and lots of power arm SP who can’t seem to make it as starters to convert to the bullpen.

          • Tony_Hall

            Those are awesome numbers. I think he has a good chance of making the 25 man roster out of ST and Raley could be auditioning to be the another lefty option.

          • cubtex

            I definately think he has a great chance to make the team out of spring next year

          • Ripsnorter1

            Keep Cabrera. Let him lose 30 games.
            Show them Astros whose the boss!
            Show them Ed Jackson and Cabrera
            together will ensure the #1 pick in the draft!

            BTW, where’s Casey Coleman when you need him?

            Think of the excitement!

          • Tony_Hall

            Actually Coleman has had a good season in the PCL out of the bullpen.

            71 IP
            3.15 ERA
            1.262 WHIP
            56 K’s
            4-3 Record

            Considering the league, not bad.

        • Tom U

          Cabrera’s performance as a reliever my be an indication of Karma.

          Two years ago, Cabrera had decent numbers as a reliever but was terrible in allowing inherited runners to score, infuriating his teammates. Now, it seems as he is the one being bitten.

      • cubtex

        Hopefully Vitters too if he gets over that hamstring issue.

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          I would like to see Vitters called up, if he’s healthy.

  • cubtex

    Nice play Starlin

  • Tony_Hall

    Jackson 6 IP 1 ER 3k’s 4BB 6H

    For as much as he labored through some innings that is not a bad line, it is actually pretty good.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    And Jon Jay hits a three-run homer

  • cubtex

    terrible call. wasn’t even close to swinging

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Sveum is ejected

    • Brp921

      I had to step out. Sveum and Russell both ejected. Can you tell me what happened?

      • Tony_Hall

        Murphy was called out on a check swing, in which the bat never even reached the back of the plate.

        Horrible call.

        • Brp921

          Thanks.

  • GaryLeeT

    Right now, I am liking the Dodgers plan of buying a team to win now, rather than the “maybe the Cubs will start winning after 4 years of loosing” plan.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Horrible call, not even close

    • Tony_Hall

      The knob did cross the back of the plate…

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Worst check swing call I’ve ever seen.

    • Tony_Hall

      And now he is just calling strikes….

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Yep, just horrible. The ump show strikes again.

        • cubtex

          So you will be able to challenge a check swing with instant replay? I didn’t think that would be allowed.

          • Tony_Hall

            NO

          • cubtex

            I thought I heard Len just say that. I am half listening and might have heard what he said wrong. That makes sense. That is a judgement call.

          • Tony_Hall

            Judgement calls will be able to be challenged (safe/out) but not a check swing. No balls and strikes.

          • cubtex

            I just replayed what Len said and he did say that is a play that Sveum could challenge and throw a flag down the road on. Huh. JD agreed. I think they both aren’t sure of the replay plan

          • Tony_Hall

            Can’t find anything specific on it.

            http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130815&content_id=57090474&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

            “Not all plays are reviewable”

          • cubtex

            Did you hear him say it? They acted as if they both new it could be a play that is reviewable.

          • Tony_Hall

            No I didn’t. Can’t believe for a minute they would allow that to be reviewable, when the home plate umpire should be having the base umpire call it.

          • cubtex

            If the home plate makes the call the 1st base or 3rd base ump can’t overrule it. I will be shocked if they review check swings. What will they have…an imaginary teleprompter to see if the bat crosses the plane? Doesn’t make sense.

          • Tony_Hall

            Maybe that is the compromise, allow the base umps to call the check swing?

            Maybe the batter should be allowed to ask for help like the catchers do?

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            No, not the way I understand the proposal.

  • Tony_Hall

    It says on MLB gameday that Russell was ejected as well.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      That’s correct.

      • Tony_Hall

        Too bad he didn’t get ejected before giving up that 3 run HR.

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          Well done …

  • cubtex

    12th K for the Cubs today. Ouch!

    • cubtex

      Really should be 11 since Murphy’s was a brutal call.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Lake with his third hit

  • Tony_Hall

    For everyone that thinks they know the rules of the game so well, take this quiz at ESPN.

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/quiz/_/id/4979/do-know-mlb-rules

    • Brp921

      I never claim to be an expert and I’m not going to make public my score.:) Oh and one of the answers I got right was a free one that almost happened in todays game.

  • Tony_Hall

    Doesn’t look like DeJesus was tagged at home.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      I agree.

      • Tony_Hall

        Even if he did tag him, he was already touching the plate.

        Not sure replay would have been able to fix it though. They are gonna need more cameras to make replay work.

        • cubtex

          It will have to be conclusive evidence…just like football. On plays like that whatever the call would probably stand.

        • cubtex

          This replay deal could open up a can of worms. I hope it doesn’t get out of control with too many replays. The game is slow enough and if a team is allowed to challenge multiple times a game as long as the challenge is upheld…it could lead to 3.5 to 4 hour games.

          • Tony_Hall

            The real delay, could be in managers arguing calls to buy more time for their own guys to review a close play to decide whether or not to challenge.

            I don’t like the challenges. Have an umpire watching each game and fix the obvious and game changing mistakes, which are not very often really.

          • Brp921

            I think instant replay could be helpful on certain plays, but I agree that most times the umpire is correct. I can’t count the times when I have been sure the umpire blew the call, only to see they made the right call after the television replay. ( I saw the replay of the checked swing so todays game is excluded)

  • cubtex

    Murphy does a nice job at 3rd. That was a screamer at him!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Five of the last seven outs for the Cubs, all strikeouts. 14 on the day

  • cubtex

    As far as replay…. If I had a vote it would be that only fair or foul, safe or out on the bases, and catch or trapped balls should be reviewable. No balks, No check swings.

    • cubtex

      No out of baseline calls either. No judgement calls where you need an imaginary line to make a call.

      • cubtex

        or interference calls.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs lost 6-1 to the
    Cardinals on Sunday afternoon – Edwin Jackson: 3R, 1ER, 6H, 4BB, 3K, 6IP (117
    pitches, 70 strikes)

    Junior Lake: 3-4, 2B, RBI; David DeJesus: 0-2, 2BB, R;
    Starlin Castro: 1-3, BB; #Cubs offense: 1R, 6H, 14K, 4BB, 0-6 RISP, 7 LOB

    • cubtex

      how do you know. it is still on? :)

    • cubtex

      My feed must be way behind here. Rosenthal threw 3 pitches after you put that up….unless you had that ready and hit the send button early by accident. lol

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        No, I only post the final score and lines after the 27th out.

  • BosephHeyden

    I think this one has to do it for me for the season. I get that the Cubs “expected to be here”, but this is as close to the every day lineup as they’re going to get for the rest of the season. Somehow, I highly doubt they’ll bring up Olt to play third in September (and, even if they do, Bryant looks to be “the guy” to play third for the Cubs in the future, so it’s hard to get excited about a guy that isn’t really one to figure into future plans for the team barring a position change), and the rest of the team looks to be regressing.

    Earlier today, I said Castro being in the lineup or not was a non-issue, since his presence isn’t going to help or hurt the team anymore than anyone else’s, and Sveum supporters and haters were going to take whatever stance they could. However, I will say this. If the Cubs finish the season with 95 losses or more, Dale Sveum is not the guy to lead this team to a championship. It does not matter what Theo or Hoyer or Macleod sees in him that we don’t, because at the end of the day results are what matter. And I’m not just talking about win/loss records. If they hit 95 losses, then it is because the offense failed to improve (obviously this is moot if they lose more than 95 games and the remainder of those losses all come in games where both teams scored 5 or more…that’s slightly more forgiveable). When the offense is not scoring runs, and your head coach was hired because of his accomplishments (however inflated they may be due to certain cheaters on other teams), then that is a failure in coaching. And if you rebuild on that, then your foundation is not going to be solid, and even if you get good results one year, eventually the creation will collapse.

    And, regardless of whether or not Sveum is the future coach for this team, I will say this: I, and every other Cubs fan, should be going into next season expecting a team that either finishes just a game or two under .500, or at .500, or even better than .500. A playoff team is not completely out of the picture, but it is extremely unlikely. I know fans are often dismissed by the front office, and especially this one since people will always consider Wrigley a “destination”, but if enough people have realistic expectations of what this team should be next year, and it does not reach those expectations, then the fanbase needs to let them know, so change is forced. It is something every other organization has had to deal with, and something the Cubs fanbase seems unwilling to do.