More from Super Tuesday and Other Cubs News, Notes and Rumors

What appeared to be a pretty active day turned into one of the busiest days in the recent history of the organization on Tuesday when the Cubs made a flurry of trades and roster moves that involved 14 players, cash and International slot money.

The Cubs signed three international prospects and reportedly agreed to a deal with the top international prospect, Dominican outfielder Eloy Jimenez. The Cubs inked RHP Jefferson Mejia, RHP Erling Moreno and shortstop Gleyber Torres.

The Cubs traded RHP Scott Feldman and Steve Clevenger to the Orioles for RHP Jake Arrieta, RHP Pedro Strop and slot money. The Cubs sent Carlos Marmol, cash and slot money to the Dodgers for RHP Matt Guerrier. Minor league infielder Ronald Torreyes was traded to Houston for slot money. The Cubs recalled Dave Sappelt and LHP Chris Rusin from Triple-A Iowa and placed Ryan Sweeney on the 60-day DL to make room for Matt Guerrier. When the dust settled, the Cubs 40-man roster still stands at 40 players.

And the Cubs are not done making moves. Pedro Strop and Matt Guerrier are expected to be added to the active roster prior to Wednesday night’s game which could mean that Shawn Camp and Henry Rodriguez are on their way out according to the Tribune. The Cubs are “ready to make more trades” according to Jed Hoyer.

The Sun-Times reported that it is certain Matt Garza, Kevin Gregg and “perhaps three or four more” players on the Major League roster will be “gone” by the end of the month.

Jeff Samardzija told the Tribune he was not thrilled with the moves the front office made on Tuesday. Samardzija does not think the team improved by dealing Scott Feldman. Samardzija said it was a shame to see Feldman and Steve Clevenger leave the team. Samardzija hopes the new guys “bring the same attitude to the field every day” that Feldman and Clevenger did.

Kevin Gregg is happy with the three additions the Cubs made to the organization on Tuesday. Gregg played with Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop last year in Baltimore and was with Matt Guerrier in Dodgers camp this past spring.

Matt Garza

According to a report from the Tribune, Matt Garza is “as good as gone” and the Cubs are hoping to receive “some top prospects” in return.

Bruce Levine thinks if Garza is traded to the Rangers, the deal could still include Mike Olt.

Carlos Villanueva

The Cubs plan to insert Carlos Villanueva back into the rotation once he is stretched back out. The Cubs began the process on Tuesday when they used Villanueva to piggyback Chris Rusin. Villanueva threw 44 pitches over 2 2/3 innings. The next step would be to get Villanueva to around 60 pitches and the Cubs appear to be targeting for Villanueva to return to the rotation full time after the All-Star break.

Alfonso Soriano

According to the Sun-Times, Alfonso Soriano wants to know if the Cubs plan to trade him. Soriano said he does not want to be “off guard” but he has a full no trade clause. The Cubs would have to get his permission to trade him. Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer have publicly stated on numerous occasions if they have a possible deal for Soriano they feel would be in his best interest, as well as the team’s, they will go to him with what is going on and keep him in the loop the entire way.

During an interview on MLB Network Radio on Monday, Jed Hoyer said they have never asked Soriano for a list of teams he would approve a trade to.

Minor League News

Chris Rusin was named to the PCL All-Star team on Tuesday. The Triple-A All-Star game is in Reno on July 17.

The Smokies announced on Tuesday that they will have a rather large representation in the Southern League All-Star game. Six Smokies were named to the squad: SS Arismendy Alcantara, 3B Christian Villanueva, C Rafael Lopez, OF Matt Szczur, RHP Kyle Hendricks and RHP Alberto Cabrera

Jake Arrieta is expected to report to Triple-A Iowa on Wednesday. For now, Arrieta is expected to take Chris Rusin’s spot in the I-Cubs rotation.

News, Notes and Rumors

According to Jayson Stark, there is an interesting wrinkle in the Carlos Marmol deal. If Marmol does not work out and the Dodgers release him and he signs with another team, the Dodgers will receive more money from the Cubs.

Jon Heyman reported that the Padres tried to trade for Jake Arrieta. Heyman did not say whether or not the Padres and Orioles discussed a deal or if San Diego tried to acquire him from the Cubs. According to Heyman, the Cubs want to hold onto him.

The Orioles announced Steve Clevenger will report to Triple-A Norfolk on Wednesday.

According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, the Red Sox were not “heavily involved” in talks with the Cubs for Scott Feldman. The Red Sox are in wait and see mode and would like to see how their rotation shakes out before the All-Star break.

According to FanGraphs, the Orioles upgraded with Scott Feldman and the Cubs continue stocking up.

Multiple reports on Tuesday indicated the Cubs would receive around $1 million in payroll relief in the deal with the Dodgers for Carlos Marmol. The Cubs will save money but only around $500,000.

Gabe Kapler posted a must-read report on the human dimension of the trade deadline.

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  • Tony_Hall

    Neil I know you linked the fangraphs article already but thought this part was worth pointing out and giving the link again

    “The Cubs, though, have to be thrilled with how this worked out. For the $3 million of Feldman’s 2013 salary that they ended up paying out, they got a half season of quality pitching, then turned that into an interesting young pitching prospect and nearly $400,000 in cash that they can use to sign a premium 16-year-old that could turn into a future franchise player. They bought a couple of lottery tickets who may never pan out, but turning a mid-level free agent into this kind of upside in just a few months time is how good organizations get rebuilt. Theo Epstein, Jed Hoyer, and the rest of their front office are doing things the right way.”

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/orioles-upgrade-with-scott-feldman-cubs-continue-stocking-up/

  • J Daniel

    Tony, I totally agree with you in that this FO is doing it the right way! They will miss on some moves and there are a couple people on here that will continually point that out. But the question would be, do we want to go back to the way the club had been trying to win a series? Hasn’t worked in over 100 years! I really liked JH and as we all know he almost got it done but we also knew there would be a stretch with bad contracts. Had they won we all would be happier with the bad stretch.

    This FO is trying to build an entire organization so that there will be “sustained success”, however. The only way to do that is have a system that will continually develop players that will produce for the parent club.

    I can recall, much before Theo arrived, Bowden stating that the way to approach building the Cubs was a complete overhaul of the system, tanking for a few years, stock piling high end prospects, getting rid of all of the bad contracts along the way, and then coming back into the market when ready to win. Exactly what they are attempting – and as much as I really like Theo – I state attempting. We don’t know if this will work and they will be good by 2015 but I KNOW FOR FACT the other way WAS NOT WORKING! So for everyone that is going to state they should have done this, traded for that, or signed this guy, well, we don’t know if that guy wanted to sign, if that trade was available because of the lack of prospects they have, or if this was even possible?

    On another note, trading for the slot money is unreal! Their plan was to be heavy into internationals and that was cut off. They have played around the rules, landed more money, and have signed the top guys. Will it work? Odds are maybe only 1 of them makes it, just like the draft. But the attempt is creative and let’s face it, they guys they gave up are not going to be the difference maker guys anyways.

    I also know some people are going to bring back the they said every chance to win is sacred stuff. Well what he said is correct! Theo didn’t say the Cubs would be able to win for a few years as he knows they can’t.

    Look how far the system has come in just 18 months and I believe there will be more coming in the next week or two. Add another very high pick next year and hopefully there will finally be some home grown impact players starting to arrive at Clark and Addison.

    Bottom line is that we are all passionate about the Cubs and want to see them win it all before we all pass. We also can’t blame Theo or TR for the state this franchise was in or the last 100 years of it. We can judge them on what THEY DO and IMO they are doing a great job and believe we will start to enjoy winning baseball in 2015 and beyond.

    • Reality Check

      Thanks Theo. tell me again come October when this team has triple digit losses. And no 2015 will not be above .500 zero chance.

      • J Daniel

        And tell me who you would prefer and if you think they were going anywhere when he arrived?

        Also, what other plan would you have?

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        I agree, thank you Theo… You have in one year done the impossible. Some of us agree in sustained success and you have brilliantly executed a plan to develop that. It’s an exciting time to be a Cubs fan.

      • JasonPen

        I would agree that being in the hardest division with 3 teams that are all young and hitting their stride, a .500+ record is going to be tough. But to put it at a “zero” percent chance is a stretch. No one thought that the Pirates would be the best team in baseball 2 years ago… and here they are.

        In 2015 the Cubs should have a solid lineup anchored by Rizzo, Bryant, and Soler in their prime. Throw in an outside chance at Almora and Baez being on the MLB team and that is ridiculous. Castro could still turn it around and he will be in his prime as well. I am sure we will have a deeper SP staff with the possibility of them acquiring an ace between now and then. Shark as a #2, Wood as a #3… not too shabby.

        • J Daniel

          IMO Castro and Barney will not be around when the Cubs are good. They have to many middle infielders that will fit their system better. Castro is cheap and when he starts producing again, maybe next year or so, will be dealt to fill in more areas of need.

      • J Daniel

        Exactly!

  • JasonPen

    Mike Olt? Where would we play Mike Olt? Last I hear he was a 1B/3B/DH. Unless he has a 95MPH fastball I am unaware of, then I think Bruce Levin is grasping for straws here. Even if Olt could play a decent corner OF… We have plenty of those on the farm already.

    • Ray Ray

      He is a 3B. Don’t tell me you are worried about taking playing time away from Valbuena?

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        He’ll be a 3rd baseman. As questionable as he’s been, scouts still consider him a top 25 prospect in all of baseball. Given the security we’ve attained with all these other moves, I’m more comfortable taking a chance on Olt. If he pans out we could have an all-star 3rd baseman for the next 10 years.

        • Ray Ray

          Top 25 in all of baseball for 2013? Where did you see this? With his struggles and high K rate…I would be shocked if he is still rated that high.

          • JasonPen

            baseball-reference has him #23, go to his mL page (pre-2013)

          • Ray Ray

            OK. That was pre-2013. With his struggles this year…..he will be out of top 100 for the next rankings.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

            There are others out there but this seemed like one of the more credible…

            Updated May 17th, 2013

          • Ray Ray

            Thanks for the link. The 67 k’s in 180 AB’s this year is very concerning…but that being said….if they can include Martin Perez with Olt….I would do it.

      • JasonPen

        Well, I am just on the Bryant bandwagon already. I know he hasn’t signed yet, but looking down the road… I just don’t see a spot for Olt. Don’t get me wrong, I was huge on Olt and wanted them to get him previously, but not so much anymore.

        Valbuena is the least of my concerns. 2013 and 2014 don’t interest me very much. When you trade away a chip like Garza, you need to get something of value out of him. The Cubs need to focus on their pitching staff. It seems as though they have 2 or 3 solid position prospects at every defensive position.

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          If we can turn Olt around he could be a stopgap until Bryant. Then turn into a huge trade piece. The guy is still a top 25 prospect. Given the changes occuring yesterday and through the draft we have more leeway to take a chance we can get him turned around. I imagine there are lots of FO’s that would love to get a crack at doing so.

          • JasonPen

            You have a point. I just never would have thought to trade for a stop-gap. I’ve always thought that Garza would command a decent SP prospect or two. Maybe they will get one as well. Whatever they do, they probably have a solid plan in place. I will admit I was against the Marshall trade and that seems to have worked out so far. Only time will tell. I’ll be patient and let the front office’s plan develop. It seems to be working.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I would rather have a SP prospect too. But my gut tells me any deal with the Rangers is going to include Olt.

        • Ray Ray

          You can’t just keep a spot open for 2 years for a prospect. If Olt can hold down 3rd for a couple of years and plays well…you have a trade chip. You never know about injuries in this game. Say Bryant gets hurt(I am not wishing this on him believe me) and his promotion gets pushed back another year. You have to have back up plans.

          • J Daniel

            Or he could be Josh Vitters, who knows with prospects. That is why they need as many as possible. Believe me, I am like everyone else and want them to win NOW. But I do see the big picture and understand the plan. So, if Olt comes in a deal, GREAT!

          • Ray Ray

            I agree. Olt’s trade value is low and the I don’t think the Rangers would hesitate to put him in a deal. Olt has actually been hitting a little better recently. I think he has 8 or 9 HR’s at AAA. If they can get Martin Perez with Olt….I would do that.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            I agree with you Ray. As I said, I won’t be bothered if we get Olt along with a pitcher. If we could turn him around we’d have quite a chip. Imagine having two 3rd baseman who can both bat .300 and hit 20 dingers! What a change…

      • paulcatanese

        I don’t know about that, he could be too Olt:)

        • Ray Ray

          don’t quit your day job Paul :)

          • paulcatanese

            Bad joke, I know. But as a former infielder that knew that one chases a pop-up until called off (and I learned that at 12 yrs)
            I was aggravated again at Castro last night causing runs to score when clearly the re play showed Soriono calling him off.
            23 yrs old and he still dosent know the rule. Maybe he should start getting tattoos on his arms so he could check on what to do.

          • J Daniel

            That is why, IMO and have stated above and before, he will be dealt. Just a matter of when.

      • cc002600

        Ever hear of Kris Bryant ?

  • Bryan

    Good stuff happening on the north side relative to trades, international signings and the like. No doubt like the intent…and not being negative at all, but let’s not get too giddy over all this. At present we still have a crappy major league representation (will only get worse this year), and a lot of things still need to “happen right” relative to prospect development. I’d like to see our system mirror that of the Braves…always a pipeline of home grown talent ready in the wings, at both the skilled position and pitchers. 16 year olds are truly crap-shoots, but certainly we have to like the mindset for the intent shown here.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      I agree with you, and I like the Braves comparison. Theo has always admired the way they do things. One more addition to the plan is using prospects to add deadline players to put us over the top in a possible postseason. All the while not sacrificing the future because we’ll have a surplus of prospects, enabling us to trade a few of our top prospects with others waiting to step in and fill their spots.

      Baseball farm system is a numbers game. A guy like Olt is now looking questionable when a guy like Matt Moore was the number one prospect in the game last year. Moore was like a 32nd round pick. You have to load up with guys and increase your chances that some pan out. But it does help to get some top guys that have a better chance. We should have at least one and maybe two more drafts choosing at or near the top. Imagine what our system will look like in another two years…wow!

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    I said in another thread and I’ll say it again. Our farm system is just about ready to be called “loaded,” a small miracle when you consider where we were when Hendry left.

    Wondering if with the flurry of international signings and Bryant, that will allow us to trade a few of our other prospects at other positions for pitching? I’d say with Baez coming up and Torres behind him, Castro could be firmly on the trading block, once he gets his numbers back up and his stock is higher. One thing Thoyer does consistently is sell high.

  • 07GreyDigger

    Why in all trade rumor stories do they mention the Red Sox? It’s kind of annoying.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      Red Sox have a deep system that Theo knows intimately. I would imagine it’s a trend we’ll continue to see.

      • 07GreyDigger

        I don’t mean just about the Cubs. Read any trade rumor story about any trade. Even if the big Blue Jays/Marlins deal, there’s always a blurb in the end about how the Red Sox may or may not have been involved.

        • J Daniel

          East coast media.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Same as with any poll involving the Yankees… The Yankee’s win the poll. East Coast media.

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          That is true…

  • raymondrobertkoenig

    Dodgers just DFA’d Marmol, Cubs to send L.A. more cash to cover salary.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      hilarious…
      Will the Dodgers trade him to a team for cash?
      And then will that team DFA Marmol?
      Could he go 3-3??? So exciting!

      • raymondrobertkoenig

        The latest is that Marmol has not been DFA’d after all.

    • Ray Ray

      What? How bizzare is that? Was it they just wanted to get a little international money from the Cubs for Guerrier and didn’t want Marmol at all?

      • Ray Ray

        That’s exactly what it was. Just saw the link on mlbtraderumors.com

        • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

          Well as long as we got Jimenez and not them who cares. I’ll bet they were our biggest competitor…

          • Ray Ray

            I heard it was between the Cubs and the Mets for Jiminez. Jiminez was a huge Sammy Sosa fan and that is his idol and that could have been the difference with him signing with the Cubs.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Which is funny considering the Cubs have no interest in having any sort of relationship with Sosa.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            Which is a shame. I’m not saying to sanctify the guy but I do have a lot of great memories of Sosa’s tenure in Chicago. Nothing was ever proven except that he’s a moron.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Moron he was. I was never a fan of his and that was before I knew about the steroids. I was always a Mark Grace type.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil
          • DWalker

            Don’t forget the cubs have a strong presence down there to begin with and Jiminez will probably get to spend the next couple of years still near home at a new facility. They probably put together a very nice family package for him that a lot of teams couldn’t. none of these kids may pan out, but its good they got the ones they wanted, and they are in the system early enough they may be able to really teach them.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Jon Heyman:

    Marmol is on outright waivers, Peter Gammons said. It’s procedural, so he can go to minors, which he agreed to. Needs to pitch

    This was expected. The Cubs only send more money if he pitches in the minors, does not show any improvement, and they outright release him.

  • triple

    I really like the comments that Shark made about his teammates that got traded. Stood up for their professionalism without lashing out at management. And then to turn the subject to his new teammates coming over via trade and say “Just hope the guys they get in return are comparable and bring the same attitude to the field every day that those guys brought.” I just shows what a great teammate he is and that he expects anyone who is playing on his team to bring his best. It’s refreshing to hear someone make their point so clearly in this day and age when it’s all about “me” and not so much emphasis on the team aspect of the game. Shark is gonna bring his best and demands that the guys he plays with will do the same.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      He seems like a good enough guy, but if he didn’t have the long hair, football background, and goofy “Shark” nickname, I am not sure how a guy that has never won 10 games at the MLB level is attributed to having such gravitas.
      Produce, win consistently, and then feel free to voice your opinion.
      At this point, he still hasn’t even touched Mark Prior’s career Cubs numbers, and that was a short career.

      • triple

        And another thing about your comment… I guess nobody on the Cubs has the right to speak up or hold their teammates to a high level of excellence? They are all losers so they better just sit their pathetically accepting their losing ways? How does that build confidence and help change their attitude/perspective of the game? What does that say about you that you root for a team and that’s what you think about them? At least JEFF SAMARDJZIA is a guy who wants to play with the best and be the best! That obviously doesn’t sit well with you. What were your dreams when you were a kid? I hope you’ve achieved them with your attitude, since you’re obviously deserving to speak up on the matter of “he’s not a proven winner, so he doesn’t deserve an opinion.”

        As far as Mark Prior, did you think he should have lipped of to Barry Bonds when they were staring each other down in a particular at bat in ’03? I hope you scolded him for that since he was so young, and at that time had no more than a couple months on his major league resume.

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          My dreams as a kid?
          Mostly lazy days on a beach…profane amounts of disposable income…that type of thing. Still working on that.
          My latest dream has been trying to find a recording of “Leaguebusters” the Cubs spin on “Ghostbusters” song. Still working on that, too.
          Thanks for asking!

      • paulcatanese

        Just the fact that he wears the uniform of a major leaguer means he has produced where thousands have not.
        Have you any idea what the odds were for him to play div 1 football, and then become a major league baseball player are. Think about it, he has every right to voice his opinion, as do you, myself and anyone else. I just happen to agree with what he said.

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          I prefer to save my idol worshipping for those whose body of work merits it, in my opinion…like Maddux.

          I never said you, or anyone else, can’t have an opinion that differs. I just voiced mine and gave my reasons for it.
          Go enjoy the 4th…

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      That wasn’t a criticism of your comments, as I agree he came off professional and just wants to win. I am just a bit tired of all the “Shark Love” for a guy that really hasn’t put a whole season together yet.

      • triple

        I guess if you’re gonna chalk it up to “shark love” then you’re twisting this a negative way? Never mind the name of the player or the stupid nickname (I don’t like it, but it’s easier than spelling his name), but I want guys on my team who want to play with guys who do their work and play the game the right way and most importantly, win. That comment could have came from Luis Valbuena and I would have praised him just the same. Honestly, if it came from Castro, I’d think it was a little bit more cliched.

        Sorry that people are a fan of Jeff Samardjzia and you don’t like him as much as others, even though he’s managed 26 big league wins on a team that jerked him around between starter reliever for years, and now that he’s a full-time starter, could stand to benefit from more run support and a better bullpen behind him.

        Won/loss record is an attribute the whole team, not the individual. So when I see a guy who in his first 2.5 years playing full-time on a major league team can have an ERA of 3.47 and WHIP of 1.23 over 376 innings (that’s 88IP in relief in ’11 and 288 IP as a starter over the last year and a half – also remember that management shut him down last year or he would have another 20+ innings), I see a guy who has staying power in the major leagues and is proving that he does his work on the side and come game day, brings his best, and manages to still be competitive even when it’s not his best day.

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          I won’t try to have a rational discussion where man-love is so entrenched.
          Let’s just agree to disagree that the “Shark” has proven anything yet.

      • 07GreyDigger

        What were the last two seasons then? I just wonder what you mean by “full season.” I mean in 2011 he pitched in 75 games and last year he started 28 games.

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          I meant what I said. The guy hasn’t even won 10 games as a starter. Maybe he will do that this year.

          Matt Clement was better than he has ever been. So was Zambrano, Wood, Prior, Bielecki, Maddux, Lieber, Morgan, Marquis, Lily, Dempster…even friggin Randy Wells has managed to win more games.
          So I am gonna put the order for the bronze Shark statue outside of Wrigley on hold for now…but that’s just my opinion.

          • Tony_Hall

            Sometimes you have to watch a player and not look at the stats to see their true ability

            Samardzija has a long way to go before being a true TOR pitcher but the stuff and the intangibles are their especially compared to many on your list

          • 07GreyDigger

            Not to be a pain, but technically he has won 10 games as a starter, 14 to be exact. But no, he hasn’t won 10 games in a consecutive season.

            But wins are not a good stat to measure worth. Jason Marquis is better than Samardzija? Or Randy Wells? Granted Samardzija doesn’t have a large resume, I hope you’re not serious in either assessment.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            Jason Marquis has started over 300 games, has won more than he has lost, and has 6 seasons with over 10 wins. Barring catastrophic breakdown, this should be his 7th season. So, yeah, his body of work is more impressive than the Shark’s at this point. But, in fairness, we have to wait a few years to truly compare the two.

            Shark is better than Randy Wells is now…but Shark has never had a good a season as Randy did in 2009. Again, he still has plenty of time to show he can do better than Wells did, but he just hasn’t yet.

          • Tony_Hall

            So you would rather have Marquis than Samardzija????

          • 07GreyDigger

            I’d take Marquis as a hitter over Samardzija. But that’s about it.

          • Tony_Hall

            I agree but not by much

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            I would take Marquis best 5-year stretch over what the Shark “might” do. Absolutely.

          • Tony_Hall

            You would take a career #4/#5 SP who is just above league average in his best seasons. (CAREER WAR 5.6) over Samardzija who already has a career WAR of 3.9 of which he has been 4.6 over the last 3 years alone. I got to be honest, I at least understand where most people are coming from, that doesn’t mean I agree, but at least I can get what their point is….I have no clue why you are defending this point.

            http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marquja01.shtml

            http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/samarje01.shtml

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            Marquis has a 6 yr stretch of 80 wins from 2004 thru 2009 seasons. In 3 of those seasons, his WAR was 2.5, 2.5, and 3.5.

            Each of those is better than any single-season WAR the Shark has posted to date.

            So, again, if you told me I could choose between the guaranteed production of the 6 years of Marquis vs the “potential” of the Shark…I would take Marquis.

            Marquis also had (3) seasons of 13 wins or more, before he turned 28…which is how old Shark is now.

          • Tony_Hall

            And in the middle of those good years he had negative WARS. That is why his CAREER WAR is so low. He is just a #4 at best, #5 SP.

            WINS for a SP is just not a good way to compare SP’s. TEAM wins yes, pitchers wins NO.

            So let’s compare WHIP

            Marquis 1.438 Best 1.302

            Samardzija 1.32 Best 1.219 (full season) this year might be better.

            Samardzija xFIP 3.86
            Marquis xFIP 4.58

            Samardzija is only going to get better, but his numbers are already far superior to Marquis.

            Anyone who has watched both guys pitch, should be able to see it as well.

            Like I said, this has to be the most obvious case of comparisons I have ever seen on the CCO, in which 99+% of people would get.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            The WAR comparisons kind of worked against you, and now you have to grasp at straws with other stats.
            I will go ahead and be the 1%er here, then. You can be right, and I will be rich.
            I hope Shark earns the faith you have put into him…at least while he pitches for the Cubs.

          • Tony_Hall

            How did the WAR comparison work against me….Marquis has averaged 0.4/year and Samardzija, even with his bullpen years has averaged 0.65 and in his 2 years as a starter he has 1.8 and already for this year is up to 1.8, which will just keep getting higher. You don’t get more advanced stats very well.

            You can be right in your own head, but there isn’t even 1% that would take Jason Marquis over Jeff Samardzija.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            I said Marquis best years. You are taking career averages. This is why your understanding of stats leaves much to be desired, despite your unjustifiably lofty opinion of your ability to crunch numbers.
            Go troll someone who cares what you think.
            Hopefully Shark pitches from age 28-33 as Marquis did when he was 25-30. Time will tell.
            Again…if he is pitching for the Cubs, I will be rooting for him, despite his stupid nickname and horrible mullet.

          • Tony_Hall

            OK – In his BEST 6 year stretch you mention he averaged 1.47 WAR per year, below Samardzija’s last 2 years were he has started.

            Dude you got stuck defending a bad statement. Don’t take it out on me.

            Teams don’t make the playoffs, win in the playoffs, or win a World Series with the Jason Marquis’s of the world, but they do with Jeff Samardzija’s.

            Stop replying to me (maybe you are, as you say “trolling me”, if you don’t want to keep discussing something. FYI – I am done replying to your ridiculous posts on this topic. Jason Marquis…that is hilarious.

          • SuzyS

            Marquis is, was, and always will be a very,very good fifth starter.

            Samardzija has the upside of a number 2 on a bad team…or a # 3 on a good team.

            Randy Wells was always a so so # 5.
            All of this statement is IMHO as a mlb fan for over fifty years.

          • Suzy S

            JasonOf The Burbs…I don’t think anybody here has really said Samardzjia is a great pitcher yet.
            Every one of the pitchers you mentioned had better teams and bullpens behind them…(Not hard to do considering how bad our current Cubs are).
            The thing is….Shark has survived on a very bad team…in addition, he has kept his head on his shoulders during the yoyo years when Hendry and company had no idea how to develop him.
            For that reason…I like Shark.
            Do I worship him or compare him to Fergie/Reuschel/Prior/Maddux??? No. Because he’s not close to them…Not yet…maybe never.
            But why be bitter about it?

    • paulcatanese

      Totally agree, those remarks from him tells me he is a true pro, and knows what teamwork is.
      Very few guys like that on a major league roster.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Jerry Crasnick:

    Consensus is that Theo & Jed might have also helped increase Garza’s value by moving Feldman so early.

    • JasonOfTheBurbs

      If true, that is interesting…they were their own competition. Let the spotlight shine brightly on Garza now, and let’s see what that hauls brings in!
      (I am hoping for a 3B, a 2B, or a CF…or a SP…or a reliever…lol)

    • Tony_Hall

      They also may be increasing Villanueva”s as well as if he has a good run of starts before the deadline someone may be willing to pay the deadline price for him

      • 07GreyDigger

        When I read this, I thought Valbuena. But sadly I think my hopes of them trading Valbuena and giving Lake a try are just that. Hopes.

        • Tony_Hall

          Valbuena is not going anywhere as I dont think we would get much back of value as he is best suited as a utility infielder

          I believe Lake will be up this year but not sure if third base is his likely destination

  • WidespreadHisPanic

    Stoked bout the moves and money freed for these int’l signings and the solid reports on the players they signed!

    Thanks for the excellent read on Super Tuesday idk where else I’d go for such comprehensive reporting about the club!

  • Tony_Hall

    And the roster adjustments keep coming

    Camp DFA

    • Suzy S

      No surprise there.

  • cloycub13

    Not that video games have any relevance to reality, but I will say as a fake GM in a fake world relatively based on real stats……..I have made the trade the Cubs just made with the Orioles. The exact same trade. Funny thing is I also traded for Arodis Vizcaino. I am just saying that in the game of realizing what you have, and what you gained by buying low, and now selling high, you are building something!!!
    With The recent additions through the draft (and just like with Blackburn), don’t forget the guys they drafted after Bryant. PITCHERS. And the recent additions through international free agency. Ladies and gentleman, like others have said before, the Chicago Cubs no longer have a bare cupboard.
    I said not too long ago that the pitchers of note are not here right now and will be acquired one way or another. Arrieta and Strop are a really good return for a flip pickup. Younger, cheaper, higher upside and they both have big arms, just unproven and maybe need a change of scenery, and maybe get flipped again as part of a package.
    The story that began a few years ago has now moved into chapter 2, the build.
    As always Go Cubs Go! And Neil, amazing job covering all of the goings on. Number one Cubs site in the land!

    • Suzy S

      It IS exciting…isn’t it?