Cubs Pondering a Number of Moves

The Cubs are obviously sellers as the non-waiver trade deadline nears, but could the Cubs be buyers as well? Reports on Tuesday afternoon suggested the Diamondbacks were trying to trade Ian Kennedy to free up space on their payroll to acquire Jake Peavy from the White Sox. Well, that deal obviously did not happen because Jake Peavy was dealt to the Red Sox in a three-team trade that included the Tigers on Tuesday night. But the Cubs being mentioned as a possible destination for Ian Kennedy was very interesting to say the least.

Ian Kennedy is making $4.265 million this year in his first year of arbitration. Kennedy does not become a free agent until after the 2015 season, which would give the team that acquires him two years of control. Kennedy has not been very good over the past two years after his breakout season of 2011.

Ian Kennedy would fit the Cubs’ criteria of the type of players they’ve added to the roster via trades … a cost-effective player that would still be under team control beyond this season and is not performing to expectations that would allow the Cubs to buy low on. Where the Cubs would fit with the Diamondbacks in terms of a trade is unclear at this point. And it would not be in a deal for Jeff Samardzija, unless there were other players, like Tyler Skaggs and Archie Bradley, included in a trade with Ian Kennedy.

While the Cubs did not make any moves on Tuesday, David Kaplan is hearing that David DeJesus, Nate Schierholtz, Kevin Gregg and James Russell are all in play. Patrick Mooney added Dioner Navarro to the list of players that could be dealt prior to Wednesday’s deadline (3:00pm CDT).

Nate Schierholtz

According to Bruce Levine, it was a sore shoulder that slowed down Nate Schierholtz for the three weeks leading up to the All-Star break. The Pirates are still interested in Schierholtz and has had scouts watching him for the last 30 days.

The Cubs held Schierholtz out of the second game of the doubleheader to give him a breather.

Buster Olney reported on Tuesday afternoon that the Cubs were receiving “solid interest on Nate Schierholtz.”

James Russell

According to Bruce Levine, the Cubs almost traded James Russell to the Braves last week. Levine did not say what kept the deal from happening. The Braves acquired Scott Downs on Monday which likely takes them out of the mix for Russell.

Bruce Levine reported the Reds have inquired about James Russell.

News, Notes and More Rumors

Carlos Villanueva has not been mentioned in many trade rumors over the last couple of weeks … and ESPN Chicago wonders why. And according to the Sun-Times, Villanueva is not expected to be traded before the deadline.

According to Bruce Miles, Kevin Gregg and Nate Schierholtz are the “two most talked-about Cubs in trade scenarios.”

The Cubs do not plan on rushing Scott Baker and inserting him into the rotation before he is ready.

Junior Lake is an outfielder, for now, according to a report from ESPN Chicago. Dale Sveum did not rule out playing him at third base this season. The Cubs would like to see Lake receive more playing time in the outfield during Winter Ball.

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  • Dorasaga

    I said this before, while the news report proved these points, a few on CCO opposed my idea, but that’s the way it is. In simple terms here,

    1. Sustainable pitching needs to be found outside the system, and hard. Having a good farm system, loaded with pitching talent, doesn’t mean any of them will be able to log 200 IP every season. The Cubs had sucked at this for a while already.

    2. In order to contend at 2015, Hoyer & Co. must make incremental moves, starting now. Chances are, more teams will IMITATE the late success of the O’s and the Pirates, and be willing to part with their “name player” now to retool or rebuild. Or maybe those teams wanted it, but awaiting the owner and his approval via a marketing decision–how things could be done. That doesn’t mean it’s the only way to be done.

    • 07GreyDigger

      I think the way the farm system is (heavy on position players) lends to your #1. Although we all get excited by names like Soler, Baez and Alcantara, it remains to be seen which of these will be on the big club and which will be traded for young pitching talent.

    • cubtex

      In order to contend by 2015 they need to find at least 1 top of the rotation starter. Do they have any in the minors who project to be able to lead a staff by then? Vizcaino? I really don’t think he could handle the workload as an ace. CJ Edwards is farther away than that. Pierce Johnson could be a possibility but more than likely he will be a mid season callup in 2015.They will need to trade one of their top positional prospects for another teams top starting pitching prospect. There will be no quality FA starting pitchers available.
      I agree with alot of what you are saying.

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Ken Rosenthal:

    Source: Cubs expect to move either DeJesus or Schierholtz. DeJesus might be more likely; Schierholtz fits vs. RHPs in ’14. Pirates on both

    • CubbyDenCritic

      Do we still keep Kim DeJesus if David gets traded?

    • cubtex

      Move them both.

      • J Daniel

        especially since you are not getting any of that!

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Think of the players Theo got since he been here…Rizzo, Bryant, Almora, Soler, Olt…..all power hitters…..with Baez & Vogelbach, it seems Cubs are going for an all power line up, not going with pitching…….maybe Theo & Jed will take care of that in the F/A area.

    • 07GreyDigger

      But you can’t count on all those players to hit and fit in the lineup somewhere. Some of them will be flipped for pitching.

  • Tony_Hall

    Good info on Samardzija and real estimates of extension numbers for him this off season.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-wont-trade-samardzija.html

    • cubtex

      I get the feeling that Shark will not want to give the team a home town discount. He was an elite WR in college. He has an ego and wants to be viewed as an ace and I can see him rolling the dice in FA if they Cubs don’t give him what he wants.

      • Tony_Hall

        That’s fine, as he will be traded in the next year if he doesn’t sign an extension.

        • cubtex

          Don’t you feel that way?

          • Tony_Hall

            I believe he will be given an offer and when he says no, he will have a new home next winter. Unless, he truly wants to stay,then he will say yes.

          • cubtex

            thank you captain obvious :)))

          • Tony_Hall

            I can state the obvious just as much as you :)

          • Ripsnorter1

            He could pull a Tim Lincecum, reject the offer, start pitching like
            a skunk, and learn to regret the whole thing.

            And that guy had an ego, too.

          • Tony_Hall

            Now, that’s funny!

            Of course ole Timmy has more then enough money already.

        • 07GreyDigger

          I’m not a fan of his lately. He’s got a lot to say all the time.

          • J Daniel

            Fan of who, Timmy or Smarj? I assume you mean Smarj? The new leader in the clubhouse?

          • 07GreyDigger

            I meant smarj. He’s always critical and has something to say about everything. I get he doesn’t like all the trades, but it’s part of the game.

          • J Daniel

            That is what I thought. He will be moved, IMO, just a matter of when. Players can’t see the big picture which I fully understand. They are in the day to day bubble which is where they should and need to be. Not sure if he is a leader or not?

      • J Daniel

        He will not give them a discount. Remember, when Theo came in, they actually reduced his contract. IMO he will not forget that.

        • John_CC

          Good point, I’d forgotten that. But it was reduced to reflect his value, which at the time was of a middling middle reliever.

          If they think they can shoot for the contracts Hernandez and Verlander got in 2010 then Shark is egomanical idiot. Hernandez had been an Ace since he was 22 and Verlander, pff…

          • J Daniel

            If we could reduce all of their contracts to reflect value the game would become much healthier. Problem is it can’t/won’t be done. Smarj will not forget and will make them pay.

            Deal him when he is at his highest value which is tough to determine.

          • cubtex

            I imagine they will deal him by next years trade deadline.

          • J Daniel

            I do agree unless they are blown away no. I believe it will be next year when he is still controllable and is the hot commodity of the deadline deals like Garza was this year.

        • cubtex

          agree 100%

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Arizona feels they are still in play for Samardzija…….lets say they offer us Skaggs, Bradley & Kennedy….I suspect a trade can happen, but we need to kick in a top prospect with Shark.

    • cubtex

      I can’t see why Arizona would ever do that.

      • Tony_Hall

        They wouldn’t and I don’t this rumor anywhere. Arizona was trying to get Samardzija for a deal based around Kennedy, which the Cubs would never do. They have no intention of trading Bradley and Skaggs for anyone.

        • J Daniel

          CubbyDen makes up some of these rumors … sources please?

  • cubtex

    30-28. Just like that the Cubs are 10 games under .500 and the Brewers on the Cubs tail for the run at last place in the division.
    The issue with this team all year has been htting with RISP. They do not have anyone who can drive in runs. This is the discussion that I have had on this site. OBP does not mean as much for middle of the order bats. You need hitters to drive in runs. Luis Valbuena cannot hit. He takes walks and has a decent OBP. Like it or not….Rizzo is not a good hitter yet at this point of his career. You can see his hitting approach with RISP. Many times he is more than happy to take a walk. Who has confidence in Rizzo coming through in a key situation? Castro is not a middle of the order bat. Schierholtz is not. DeJesus? We will see how the young kids develop. It looks like they have several in the minors who can fill that void, but until they have a 3,4,5 hitter….this team will struggle scoring runs.

    • Tony_Hall

      23 of their 58 losses have been by 1 run….once again not as bad as you would make them out to be.

      And of course 3,4,5 need to be power hitters who drive in runs, but the better power hitters maintain a high obp because pitchers are more careful with them and the better hitters don’t expand the zone.

      • cubtex

        Exactly. That stat proves my point. The starting pitching has been decent. They need to score more runs.

        • Tony_Hall

          No one has been saying that Valbuena tyes are middle of the order bats. Castro and Rizzo could be 6th/7th Ina few years as our system is loaded with middle of the order bats.

          • cubtex

            That goes back to this WAR talk. Hahaha. My favorite subject. If you replace a Soriano with a DeJesus type hitter. They might have the same WAR but can DeJesus do the same things offensively as Soriano? Valbuena is at a corner infield spot where you usually have a middle of the order bat and run producer. His WAR might be the same as a Mike Moustakas(for example) but who would help the Cubs more? Rizzo is killing this team batting where he is in the lineup. I know this lineup will change. I know Valbuena will not be starting next year. But……having a current infield of Valbuena at 3rd with Barney at 2B is a huge liability. At least when Sandberg was at 2nd you got power from that position even if you didn’t have it at 3rd. I just would rather bite the bullet next year by putting Olt at 3rd, let Lake play everyday in the OF. Give Alcantara the starting 2B job. They will not be good next year so lets shoot for 2015.

          • Tony_Hall

            I agree with you. Olt will be uip soon and Lake is going to be given a chance to play. They do need to give him days off against some eighties as that will be his weakness.

          • cubtex

            Yea. Lake might prove that he is not a starting player in this league but they should see if that is the case. I just looked up Moustakas’ numbers…ouch. That is a bad example but I meant a lower OBP guy with power at 3rd.

          • Tony_Hall

            I really don’t believe anyone thinks Lake will be an everyday starter. He is more of a super utility type with his ability to play infield.

          • J Daniel

            Lake looks a lot better than Vitters or BJax did when they came up. He might not be an everyday player but certainly looks to be a really good super sub.

          • 07GreyDigger

            Does Lake really look better? He’s been pretty awful since his two hit game on the 24th batting just .133/.161/.133. I know its just 7 games, but how he battles back will determine what they have in him.

          • J Daniel

            I think so. He has hit some balls pretty hard that made outs. Obviously time will tell but those two guys looked absolutely horrible and overmatched.

          • cubtex

            Vitters was never given an opportunity. He played one game and sat for 4. Pinch hit every game against the other teams top closer. He was handled just like Julio Borbon. Borbon was a career .280 hitter until he came to Cubs.

          • 07GreyDigger

            That was beyond frustrating. They should have given the guy a chance and not trotted Luis Valbuena out there.

          • Tony_Hall

            WAR is best used when comparing similar players/positions,, IMO, or talking about who is the best.

        • Tony_Hall

          When you state the obvious, stats will usually back you up.

    • Jim_Schwartz_Gramps

      I don’t care for the overall hitting strategy most of them use. Their plate discipline is terrible. Most of them are swinging from the heels in counts where they should just be trying to make solid contact. How many runners have been left at 3rd base when even a ground ball could have brought them home? Take the home run swing when you have counts like 2-0, 3-1, etc. and when you have two strikes make sure you make contact.

      • cubtex

        Exactly Gramps.

      • Tony_Hall

        I am sure you will like the hitters that come up soon, they will have better approaches at the plate.

        • cubtex

          How can you make a statement like that?

          • Tony_Hall

            The ones that have been brought up and through the Cubs Way, that make majors will fit the mold of what they are looking for in a hitter.

            Alcantara will be a great example of a player making the adjustments to do this.

          • cubtex

            Junior Lake was taught the “Cubs Way” Javier Baez etc. This “Cubs Way” is more fluff than substance. Rizzo was drilled that way in the minors in Boston. If you can hit…..you can hit. Each hitter is an individual. You need to work on what they do well and get better at that. To make a statement that this “Cubs Way” will help all the young players drive in a run from 3rd with less than 2 outs is just not true.

          • Tony_Hall

            I never said ALL.

            You think anyone could change Lakes style?

            Javy Baez has increased his BB%%.

            They can’t change the players that were here like Lake, but the younger ones and the new players they have brought fit this style.

            But not ALL players will fit what they are doing. There is no All in anything.

          • daverj

            We have no idea what kind of example Alcantara will be as a hitter in the major leagues. Or any of the other prospects in the Cubs system.

            I like where the organization is headed, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Imbibe lots and lots of Blue Kool-Aid.

        • Jim_Schwartz_Gramps

          Tony, I think approach can be taught at the major league level also. What ever happened to “Do it the right way or you are on the bench!”. What does the hitting coach teach? Someone has to be responsible when they continually fail to bring runners in from 3rd and flail away instead of making contact. But I guess that discipline and responsibility have gone away in this “modern game”.

      • mutantbeast

        Look at Cards. Does anyone really believe Alan Craig has Pujols-like offensive numbers, yet has only 9 Hrs? Its because he hits in the mid 400s with RISP. Same with Molina-not a lot of power, but he makes his hits count.

      • K_Gripp

        Something has concerned me about Lake over the last week. I have seen him swing through a lot of fastballs above his belt. The pitchers have been able to blow him away. The more concerning thing is that many of those time it was with two strikes.

    • J Daniel

      Not to mention 22 blown saves I believe?

  • Ripsnorter1

    Not expecting James Russell to go anywhere….he’s stunk up the joint in June and July.
    June WHIP: 1.853
    July WHIP: 2.000

    June BAA: .362
    July BAA: .304

    June Slug: .617
    July Slug: .652

    June ERA: 5.56
    July ERA: 6.00

    Post All-Star Stats:
    .400 BAA’.
    .571 OBP
    .900 Slug
    0 strikeouts
    4 BB
    1.471 OPS against him!

    He’s given up 3 taters in his last 17 IP. In July he fanned only 2 batters, walked 5.

    He’s getting shelled for two months now. And someone said Atlanta wanted him?
    Naw.

    Too much Kool-Aid.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    If Theo got a Buyer for Marmol….I think he can find Buyers for Gregg & Russell.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Side baseball note…reason why Tino Martinez resign as batting coach in Miami is that he grabbed a players jersey after he saw players on the team walking off the field and did not want to pick up the baseballs after bating practice….seems that several Marlin players thought picking up baseballs was beneath them…….Martinez told them, if Jeter and other star players could do it, they should do it also……seems that certain Marlin players have “attitudes” and did not like Martinez yelling at them.

    • 07GreyDigger

      I didn’t even know Tino Martinez was a coach.

      • cubtex

        I played against him in college several times when he as at Tampa. Good guy. I heard Mike Redmond talking about how difficult and adjustment it is to coach at the big league level and that he thinks most should start in the minors just to learn how to deal with the players of today. Great points.

        • J Daniel

          New generation of players … every level every sport … things are changing … and IMO not for the better.

        • CubbyDenCritic

          The problem is not Tino Martinez…the problem is the atmosphere of players in Miami……many people who know Martinez, say this is not the Martinez that is being reported…….I just think that Martinez was so fed up on these Marlins players attitudes, that he just lost his cool……..Batting coaches are suppose to have a calm nature to them to deal with players, who all have various approaches in hitting and taking critiscim……….I just think Martinez saw a group of players who showed no respect to the game or to the coach who had an excellent career of hitting…….the South Beach mentality does go around in all the sports in Miami.

          • cubtex

            I think that attitude is everywhere…..not just Miami. Tino is old school and played the game hard and wasn’t cocky one bit. He grew up in that area as well. He just couldn’t put up with these prima donas of today.

          • J Daniel

            It is getting WORSE!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Peter Gammons: anyone wanting Schierholz has to pay the price for a guy w/ 2d best OPS of any RF in baseball

    • daverj

      If that is the Cubs asking price, then Nate will still be a Cub tomorrow. That’s ok with me. I’ll take another 1.5 years of Schierholtz in right.

      • J Daniel

        They are doing what they should and if they offer is good they will take, if not he stays. Great approach and they are not giving anyone away.

      • John_CC

        Exactly. Personally, I love how the Epstein/Hoyer FO approach these trades. They took the gamble on Schierholz and it has paid off, he has player well beyond expectations for more than half of the season and they get to make the demands to team that want him. What I like best is that they don’t act like the “loser” team that will bend and bow and take what they can get because they just need something. Nope, they are sons a bitches in the negotiations because they know they have little to nothing to lose. Either they get a return that last year no one would believe possible for a Nate Schierholz, or they just keep him and his production that is above what they pay him.

        Win/Win.

        I hope all the Epstein bashers are now clearly seeing how the plan works. It just takes a little time for it to come together. And since we hear very little trashing of the FO plan and implementation of it from some of the most vocal from last year, I trust that you have.

        • J Daniel

          100% agree. There were a LOT of BASHERS when he was hired! He was the BEST hire for THIS job … maybe not others … but for the CUBS. Been through the same situation in Boston which has TREMENDOUS value because of the experience.

        • cubtex

          Or they turn down a reasonable offer for him and keep him for next year. He has an awful year next year and his value drops and you now can’t get anything for him. It works both ways.

          • daverj

            I suppose it depends on how one defines “reasonable offer”. Right now I think the best the Cubs could do for Nate is a C+ type prospect with a future upside of middle reliever, #5 starter or 4th OF type. If I’m right, then I’d rather keep Nate. If a “reasonable offer” means a B level prospect who has the upside of a #3ish starter or an above average hitter, then I think the Cubs should make the deal.

          • cubtex

            totally agree but to make a blanket statement like it is a win/win. It is not a win/win. If you decide to turn down an offer that is fair for a prospect that could help you in the future by holding out for one that never happens. IF Schierholtz gets hurt next year(see Garza) or IF he re-gresses and/or there are better bats available next year at the trade deadline which lowers the value of a Schierholtz….then you lost out on a trade chip. Do you see what I am saying? I

          • daverj

            Completely agree with you. I didn’t make the Win/Win statement … agree with you on that too.

          • John_CC

            You are so nit-picky, and the other day you got so upset when I said you put words into people’s mouths, but you do. I never in my post got specific about what player he is worth or what the offers are that the Cubs are rejecting etc. because I do not engage in those conversations because they are 100% pointless because no one knows what any of the offers are – how bad or how good they are.

            Quite simply, the point is, and I am sticking to it, I have come to trust the judgement and decision making process of the Cubs FO led by Epstein and Hoyer. If they do not deem a trade offer enough for Schierholz (or anyone) then I am giving them the benefit of doubt because they have more than proven to be far more prudent than any of the posters on this site.

            That is the point. And now I guess it’s your turn to try to spin this into something that supports your argument. But my point is simple. And I know it must really pain you to have to admit that the new Cubs regime has been very consistent, deliberate, and so far quite successful with the overall project.

          • cubtex

            hahahaha. You get so upset my man. This site is to debate opinions. You think that the current FO walks on water and parts the Red Sea. That is perfectly OK…I am happy for you. I just pointed out that this is not a win/win.There is injury risks,re-gression risks,supply and demand risks, etc. It is impossible for Theo or any other GM to know 100% for sure when the player is at his highest sell high point ( I know this might disappoint you) but it is true. Theo,Hendry,Duquette,Huntington etc are all in the same boat. It is an educated guess. It is a gamble.

          • John_CC

            There you go again, “my man.”

            Completely misconstruing and exaggerating my comments, and being condescending to boot!

            Congrats. I’m done.

          • cubtex

            I apologize if I upset you. That is the way I talk. If I offended you with the “my man” please accept my apologies. It was not meant in any way but as a friendly manner on the response. I really don’t know why you get so upset John. Have a great day and remember….it is only a game. there are way more important things in life.

          • John_CC

            OK. Seriously:
            1) apology accepted, thank you. But, 2) i am not upset, and was never upset. i guess it’s how you read it, but believe me 3) i understand the insignificance of baseball in the big picture. don’t worry, I come to this site for that very reason, to escape from the “important things in life” once in awhile.

            And every reason you gave for it possibly being a negative to not trading Scheirholz is also positive reason for not accepting an offer for a propsect that may never even sniff a cup of coffee. That is all I am saying. None of it is absolute. I do not believe anyone has ever walked on water or ever will. Nothing is 100% but some people make better decisions than others, and earn level of respect.

          • cubtex

            Again….sorry. I did not intend anything from the comment. I respect your posts. We don’t agree too often but I can understand where you are coming from and enjoy reading what you have to say.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Who do you think had a better return in prospect players….the Sox with Peavy?….or the Cubs with Garza?

    • daverj

      Cubs by far. I like Garcia a bit more than Olt, but Edwards, Grimm and potentially Ramirez are far better than the other guys the Sox received.

      • cubtex

        Do you know the timeframe that they have to choose the PTBNL? I wonder if it will be before the end of August. I hope it is because if it is Ramirez they could give him some innings in September with the big club.

        • daverj

          I don’t know the timeframe. I would guess (without any inside info) that the Cubs have until sometime after the end of this season so they can see how Ramirez’ shoulder holds up.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    MLB Trade Rumors has Samardzija resigning for $55 million when his contract is up…are they kidding?……with what Garza would ask for, and what other pitchers signed for, and lack of pitching on the market, Samardzija will ask $155 million range…….there won’t be no hometown discount….it is all about the money……$55 million is Edwin Jackson contract…..come on, Shark and his agent are not stupid……..Shark will be 30 when his contract ends, and he will look for a long term deal.

    • 07GreyDigger

      They didn’t say he would resign for that amount, they used another deal as a baseline. That’s how agents and teams work. I’m guessing he asks somewhere between 55-120.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Some say the Alfonso Soraino was the worst contract ever……..anyone want to say now it is the Albert Pujols contract with the Angels!

    • cubtex

      did you forget ARod? Soriano’s contract wasn’t even close to be the worst. According to WAR….lmao…he was paid exactly where he should have been

      • CubbyDenCritic

        A-Rod is up there, but the Yankees might have a narrow way of getting out of it if A-Rod is banned from MLB.

    • daverj

      Who said Soriano’s contact is the worst ever? I’ve never heard that one before. The Zito, Wells, and Hampton deals come to mind immediately and I’m sure there are others.

      • BosephHeyden

        Much agreed. If he didn’t get that contract from us, he would have gotten it from someone else. And, while he was paid as a 40/40 guy, his numbers weren’t bad. When he was hot he was really hot and could win a game by himself. There are plenty of guys that have been signed for more that have performed worse.

        • CubbyDenCritic

          Highest offer other than the Cubs was from the Mets at $82 million…..the contract was given out by Sam Zell to improve the marketing of a Cubs sale.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Ken Rosenthal:

    Remember yesterday when Jon Paul Morosi and I said that virtually all of the Rangers were in play? List includes the newly acquired Matt Garza.

    • cubtex

      that would be a shocker!

  • cubtex

    Neil…I asked Daverj this as well. Do you know when the Cubs have to decide on the PTBNL from the Garza deal?

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      A transaction including a player to be named later must be completed within six months. The player may not be an active Major League player during the interval between the trade and the date the player is named.

      The way I understand it, they agreed to finalize the trade right after the season is over. I have not seen a firm date.

      • cubtex

        Thanks Neil!

  • cubtex

    Ian Kennedy is a much better fit in SD than Arizona or even the Cubs. He is a fly ball pitcher who gives up a ton of HR’s. 28 last year and he has given up 18 already this year. He will be better suited for a spacious ballpark like SD.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Jeff Passan:

    Ian Kennedy goes to Padres for reliever Joe Thatcher, relief prospect Matt Stites and a draft pick between the second and third rounds.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Sun-Times:

    As Cards look at possible DL move for Molina (knee), hearing Navarro would be in play. Trading-within-division thing not an issue.

    • 07GreyDigger

      Navarro doesn’t seem to have the defensive ability that the Cardinals would desire.

      • CubbyDenCritic

        I look at Navarro more for A.L. team…..Cleveland or Boston.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    When I heard Rangers Nathan was on the market, made me wonder if the Texas GM had second guessed himself on that Garza trade.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Sun-Times:

    Cubs efforts in final stretch to deadline could be damaged big-time by sellers coming late to market.

    • CubbyDenCritic

      ….so, no one will want Gregg?…..maybe we can make a few bucks after the deadline on a waiver deal !

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Nick Cafardo:

    Looks like Nate Schierholz staying put with Cubs

    • CubbyDenCritic

      No problem with that…..best bat on the market, and teams did not want to pay the price……always next year.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    If DeJesus is staying, it might mean the end of BJax……too many outfielders right now, and BJax needs more time than after Sept 1st to prove himself……maybe a off season trade of BJax might happen.

    • cubtex

      agreed. they need to trade either DeJesus or Schierholtz. You cannot have an outfield next year with Lake,DeJesus,Schierholtz,Sweeney,Gillespie

      • CubbyDenCritic

        don’t forget Borbon & Burgoneise,

        • cubtex

          borbon will be gone.

      • Shawon O’Meter

        Why can’t we have an OF of De Jesus, Schierholtz, Lake and a free agent?

        • cubtex

          Have you seen the free agent OF? Ellsbury and Choo are the headliners and both hit lefthanded. Ellsbury has 5 HR this year and Choo will probably be too rich for the Cubs.

    • 07GreyDigger

      BJax got assigned to Double A. If anything, he’ll get another chance at Triple A next year and might be trade bait then.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    Yankees deal with Young looks like it fell apart with the Phillies……Valbuena might be an option for the Yankees.

    • cubtex

      I will help him pack.

      • 07GreyDigger

        Me too.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    1/2 hour left in the trade deadline…lets see if Theo & Jed can work some more magic to improve this team……Panic Hour is here for some playoff teams.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Ken Rosenthal:

    Told STLCards’ pursuit of Cubs’ Navarro has slowed. Teams unable to agree on price. Deal appears doubtful.

    • cubtex

      sounds like they are done. they did OK though. I really like the Garza deal. They got 2 power arms for Feldman. I would say a more productive year this year than last years trade deadline.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Jon Heyman:

    cardinals won’t be getting dioner navarro. wouldnt give up anything of value. cubs

    • CubbyDenCritic

      The Braves will wipe the Cardinals out in the playoffs.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    There are reports that the Cubs will not make any trade announcements this afternoon

    3:03pm CDT

    • CubbyDenCritic

      Carrie Muskat has verified this report from the Cubs.

  • cubtex

    I can’t believe the lack of trades today. Pirates have an opportunity to do something that they haven’t done for decades and they sit pat? They are in 1st place and need a bat. They have a top farm system. I am not just talking about Schierholtz but get somebody. You cannot predict what will happen next year. When that window cracks open…..you need to capitalize.

    • 07GreyDigger

      That’s the Pirates way. Do nothing. They haven’t done anything at the deadline is the past two years. At least Pittsburgh has the Steelers and the Penguins.

  • CubbyDenCritic

    So happy that Mrs DeJesus will be with us for another year……and David too!

  • CubbyDenCritic

    I wonder what was the best offer Theo had on Gregg?……do that Gregg was picked up this year for nothing by the Cubs, that other teams refuse to trade for him even for a low level prospect and willing to wait for Gregg when he shows up on the waiver wire.

    • 07GreyDigger

      The low level prospect in question may have been the kicker. Teams may not have wanted to give up any value at all. So why trade him?

  • cubtex

    I am sure everyone know this already but IF the Cubs go into next year with DeJesus and Schierholtz starting in CF and RF…..I will not be a happy Cubs fan :))))

    • Suzy S

      cubtex, relax…there is a long, long time between now and opening day 2014.
      Besides…it could be worse….it could be Vitters and BJAX!!! :-)

      • 07GreyDigger

        What’s with all the Vitters hate?

        • Suzy S

          GreyDigger, I don’t hate Vitters…I’d really like to see him do well…but the guy hasn’t approached any of his initial hype….over five years of watching him and I personally don’t think he’ll make it…except as a sub.
          Also, when the Cubs traded for Olt…Vitters welcomed him and said he was confident that he’d (Vitters) would be the starting 3rd baseman for years to come.
          Seems like he’s not grounded in reality.

          • Brp921

            I hear what your saying about Vitters and not being grounded in reality Suzy, but would you really like him to say he doesn’t think he can be the third baseman of the future? His confidence has to be very shaken as it is at this point.

          • Suzy S

            Brp921…I actually feel bad for Vitters…but the statement he made was silly…he should have just welcomed Olt and not made comment on his own situation.

            Prior to Theo/Jed…it appeared he had an attitude of entitlement…and on the very day Theo schedules his initial address to the team…Vitters is half an hour late.

            Had Vitters just been given the opportunity that Valbuena has had…he’d probably be a serviceable 3rd baseman by now…not great …but serviceable.

            He seems to be one of those guys that is just slow to adjust to a new surrounding…and must be given a year to acclimate…Unfortunately for Vitters…it does not appear the Cubs will give him that much time to get comfortable.

          • Brp921

            Agreed, he should have just welcomed him.

      • cubtex

        LOL! I know. I was just thinking about all those outfielders the Cubs have. Sweeney,Bogie,DeJesus,Schierholtz,Lake. Hopefully a ton of changes before opening day. I am surprised at how few trades were made today.

        • Suzy S

          Actually, I’m not that surprised.
          The effort it must have taken to get Soriano actually moved must have been huge.
          None of the other guys were going to bring huge returns…(except for Shark…and he’s not going anywhere during this season.
          (There’s only so many spots for single A pitchers…and nothing is critical).
          There still might be a waiver deal or two.

          • cubtex

            I agree. Probably be a waiver deal or 2.

    • Tony_Hall

      So no different then any other day :)

      • cubtex

        hahahaha. You know how much I love the Dejesus/Valbuena types

        • 07GreyDigger

          Give DeJesus credit. He may be a platoon player, but at least he can hit. Valbuena can’t do that. Don’t insult DeJesus by putting him on the same plane as Valbuena.

          • cubtex

            ok. he hits a little better than Valbuena but not the type of production you want for an everyday outfielder

          • 07GreyDigger

            A little better huh? I say 40 to 50 points is a lot better. :)

          • cubtex

            This is what I am talking about with the DeJesus types. I can’t compare him to Valbuena the last 3 years because Valbuena didn’t play full time but lets compare DeJesus to Castro on hits. Just plain old hits.
            Dejesus hits per year
            2011 106 hits
            2012 133 hits
            2013 61 hits so far.

            Castro hits per year
            2011 207 hits
            2012 183 hits
            2013 109 hits so far

            That is my issue with DeJesus. He is not a good hitter. He is a decent OBP guy who cannot run or hit with power.