Cubs Discussing Garza with Multiple Teams

According to a report from Buster Olney, the Cubs are making progress on talks with multiple teams for Matt Garza. Olney reported the Cubs have discussed Garza with the Rangers, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Indians, Dodgers and a couple of unnamed teams in the NL West. The Giants and Padres have been connected to Garza as well as the Diamondbacks in recent weeks.

Buster Olney called Matt Garza “the belle of the ball” in the trade market.

According to a report from Hardball Talk citing the Baltimore Sun as the source, the Cubs and Orioles discussed a deal for Matt Garza. The Cubs asked for a package that would have included Jonathan Schoop and left-handed pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez in return. The Orioles and Cubs worked out a deal for Scott Feldman instead but if the report is accurate it gives a good indication of what the Cubs are looking for in return for Matt Garza.

Jed Hoyer

Jed Hoyer joined David Kaplan during his new show on 720 WGN on Friday night and discussed a variety of topics. Here are a few of the highlights:

On Starlin Castro’s performance in Friday’s game: Hoyer does not think Castro will be showing a tape of Friday’s game to his grandchildren. Some of Castro’s issues can get tiresome. The Cubs expect improvement from him. Hoyer feels as strong today about Castro as he did when he arrived in Chicago. The Cubs feel he has a great future ahead of him. Castro has to get rid of the mental mistakes and has to get rid of the type of games like he had on Friday. The Cubs have had a lot of conversations with Castro. Hoyer thinks Castro knows they expect him to play at a certain level. Castro has to fix the issues in the field. Hoyer mentioned great players do struggle at times but this has been a frustrating year with Castro.

On the trades and moves the Cubs made this past week: Hoyer admitted it was hard to trade Scott Feldman. Hoyer hopes very soon the Cubs can get past trading players at mid-season. Tuesday was not a day that Hoyer feels good about but the organization is not in a position to not cash in on a player having a good season on a one-year deal. The Cubs goal has been to flood the system with as much talent as possible. Every trade they’ve made is trying to get as much young talent as possible. The limits in the draft now have made it where you have to find ways to make improvements. Hoyer said they found a way on the International market to add talent. The Cubs are trying to find as many ways as possible to build an organization with sustained success. Hoyer stood by his stance that a team always wants to be on the other side of trading.

On “untouchable” players: Hoyer said the word untouchable is dangerous. Realistically the Cubs have a lot of players that could be on the Cubs when the team is good. Hoyer said cannot say untouchable because the team is not winning and not to the point of winning consistently. Hoyer stressed there are a lot of players on the team they are looking to build around. Hoyer explained that teams now the players the Cubs value the most and will not ask about them because the cost would be prohibitive.

On Jeff Samardzija’s comments after Scott Feldman trade: Hoyer said they should have 25 guys that are disappointed the Cubs traded away Feldman like Samardzija was. Hoyer has not talked to Samardzija yet about what he said but is looking to over the next few days. Hoyer thinks Samardzija knows what the Cubs long term goal is and they want him to be a part of it.

On Kris Bryant: Hoyer did not discuss the progress of the negotiations with Bryant. Hoyer said they will treat him fairly in the process. Hoyer said if Bryant wants to be a professional ballplayer then he will sign with the Cubs. Hoyer is confident they will get him signed before the deadline next Friday.

Jed Hoyer was very transparent during his interview. Hoyer and Theo Epstein have been consistent with how they plan to build the organization. And while they do not like losing or the way the big league team has played, the Cubs have a plan and they are going to stick to it and build the organization from the ground up.

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  • Ripsnorter1

    I have felt for two years that Team Theo wants to deal Castro. My gut instinct says that he won’t be a Chicago Cub in ST next year.

    • GaryLeeT

      I agree. Castro’s physical skills may improve over time, but there is no fixing stupid.

      • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

        Agreed, he’s become expendable to say the least. But they will wait until his value is high. They always maximize a players value. Baez, Torres and others could be better than Castro. They can wait to see how they continue to develop and for Castro’s value to increase again. As of now he would be considered a project similiar to Olt but with big league experience

        • JasonOfTheBurbs

          This is maddening to me. Castro is the same player now as he was last year, and yet he couldn’t be moved for Justin Upton?

          If they wind up trading him for a bucket of balls, it will have been a real missed oppty to get a young corner OF under contract. I would have liked to have seen a lineup with Upton, Rizzo, and Soriano packed together.

          • Ray Ray

            He is still young and under control for many more years. I would gamble that this will be his worst year in his promising career. No rush to deal him. Hopefully they can bring in a new manager next year who will be a better mentor for Castro,Rizzo,Castillo and other younger players. If the other young players were thriving under Sveum and only Castro was re-gressing then you can say it is all on Castro…..but ALL the young guys are struggling.

          • triple

            I agree Ray… too early to be deciding to trade Castro at this point. As far as Sveum, I can be patient for another year and see what he does if they give him a better roster for next year. At the same time, I can’t help but think about how Darwin Barney credits Ryno for his play in the field, and wonder what it would be like if Sandberg was our coach! I’d love to see Ryno as our coach someday, but it doesn’t seem likely at this point.

      • KingKongKingman

        somehow he hit .300 with JH and Quade around.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Amazing feat, I mean, with Quade around. Totally amazing.

    • KingKongKingman

      i don’t know many .240 hitting SS who make “stupid” plays on the field with 61M contracts that get traded unless the cubs throw in a whole lot of money; which if I’m Ricketts i’m asking why was he signed then. unless he hits alot and gets his avg to .280 by year end; he’ll be back. the question is; deer and rowson need to go; they’ve ruined the kid.

      • paulcatanese

        Correct, the Cubs will play out the string with Castro as he was the first one they extended.

        Having said that, I would offer in my humble opinion what I think is wrong with him.

        I believe he is nursing a tender hamstring that he pulled earlier and is not running well.

        I also believe he “tweaked his arm, on a sideways throw.

        • Ray Ray

          I think a good manager really understands how each player ticks. Some need a kick in the ass, some need a pat on the back etc. I don’t think Sveum is very good at this. Say what you want about Quade but Castro played much better under him than Sveum. He has the tools, he needs a mentor to have him understand what it takes to be a mlb all star shortstop.

          • paulcatanese

            If anything, Sveum seems like a laid back guy, willing to let things happen, why else would Castro remain at the top of the order and Rizzo returned to the 3 spot?

        • Denver Mike

          I had forgotten about the shoulder until you mentioned it, but i was watching a game back in May when he made the throw I think you are referring to. He rifled it to first and immediately grabbed the shoulder and began moving his arm around like he had strained it. I didn’t think any more of it after that day because he never missed a game, but wouldn’t be shocked to find out he is hiding an injury. That doesn’t make up for the fact he is a mental-midget on the field, but could be affecting him at the plate.

        • Dorasaga

          Do you think–and I know you had experience with your kids on injury issues, across multiple sports–that Castro is hurt? Hence, his tweaked throwing mechanics and the extra hop or two??

        • Ripsnorter1

          It’s his big toe. Shawn Camp, with his injured toe, was playing footsie with Castro, and now, Castro caught the disease.

      • triple

        I think you hit the deer/rowson thing right on the bullseye… Castro wasn’t having any problems when Rudy was his hitting coach.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Michael Bowden is pitching well in AAA Iowa. 0.960 WHIP and 3 BB, 24 K in 16.2 IP.

    • mutantbeast

      Let him stay there. Bowden cant pitch under pressure in MLB situations, he always nibbles when hes in a tight spot.

  • GaryLeeT

    “Hoyer said they should have 25 guys that are disappointed the Cubs traded away Feldman like Samardzija was.”

    The difference in play since the FO signaled to the players with the Feldman trade, that their season was over, has been obvious.

    • Tony_Hall

      Do you really think the players thought they were still in the Wild Card hunt?

      Feldman out Villanueva in the rotation. This was expected from the beginning and why they have so much SP depth.

      As Hoyer says, no team wants to be trading major league players for prospects and would rather be in the position of adding to the major league roster for a run at the playoffs and World Series. But I am confident that all involved in the Cubs knows how to read the standings.

      • GaryLeeT

        No, the players thought the team would start to keep building blocks. Now they know that next year will be yet another 90+ loss season. I mean, why else would the players be disappointed, or upset that Feldman left?

        • Tony_Hall

          Feldman was not a building block, but a 30 year old player on a 1 year deal, brought in to fill a spot in the rotation and be traded by the deadline. He exceeded expectations and due to a really good BABIP of 257.

          His xFIP was 3.78 in line with his last 2 seasons. For only spending $3M dollars the Cubs made a very FA signing and turned it into a nice return.

          • GaryLeeT

            You are great at stating the obvious, but did not answer my question.

          • Tony_Hall

            I know that advanced stats have become obvious. Just the other day I over heard a couple of senior ladies discussing xFIP’s and the pitchers BABIP. I was amazed at their knowledge.

            You want me to answer why the players would be disappointed that Feldman left? Did you watch him pitch, he was effective and players never want to see a player in their clubhouse (not named Milton or Big Z) to be traded, especially one that has been playing well.

          • GaryLeeT

            That makes no sense. Why would they care if an effective player left if he provides building blocks for the future? I mean, they know they are not in a Wild Card hunt, right?

          • Tony_Hall

            Maybe this is why I need to state the obvious….

          • GaryLeeT

            …..and obsess over getting in the last word.

          • Tony_Hall

            You did ask another question…..

            Go ahead make a reply and regardless if it is open ended or asks a question back I will just let it be the last word.

          • GaryLeeT

            :-)

          • Tony_Hall

            Nice edit!

          • GaryLeeT

            It’s a shame I had to do that for you.

          • Tony_Hall

            So let me state the obvious.

            Players like the players in their clubhouse. They play in the now, not the future. The players don’t want to see a very capable SP leave their clubhouse. They really don’t care about getting building blocks for the future, when many of them are not in the future plans.

          • GaryLeeT

            Surprise surprise, I disagree with you in that players were upset at losing a good 5th starter. Those are a dime a dozen.
            I think the other players personally liked the guy a lot. When cameras panned to Feldman in the dugout, he was always engaged in a conversation with somebody. Team chemistry is very underrated.

          • Dorasaga

            I’m impressed that you listened to senior ladies about baseball. Good man, my friend B-)

          • Ripsnorter1

            Those two old ladies were Cardinal fans……

          • Tony_Hall

            Are you trying to say the casual Cubs fans is not nearly as intelligent as the average Cardinal fan??

          • mutantbeast

            Feldman is who he is, a decent BOR pitcher. Hes not who you want starting a key playoff game. Id prefer someone more like a Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee, which this orginaztion doesn’t have currently. Feldman is really not that big a loss.

          • Tony_Hall

            I agree.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            I am a bit confused on the return for Feldman now. I have no problem with them trading him, but much was made about getting the Intl slot money.
            At first this made sense, as I figured there was a hard cap/ceiling on Intl spending.
            But now we now the Cubs will pay a penalty, and apparently have no problem doing so, for spending over their Intl “limit”.
            If reports are accurate, they may not even be done signing Intl players this year…so they are willing to keep incurring the penalties.
            If this is all true, then you traded Feldman away, largely for a couple hundred thousand bucks, and a couple throwaway prospects?
            I would rather they just got 1 better-than-average prospect…a C might have been nice.

          • Tony_Hall

            I think you need to relook at who they got back, they are not throw away prospects.

            “The Cubs, though, have to be thrilled with how this worked out. For the $3 million of Feldman’s 2013 salary that they ended up paying out, they got a half season of quality pitching, then turned that into an interesting young pitching prospect and nearly $400,000 in cash that they can use to sign a premium 16-year-old that could turn into a future franchise player. They bought a couple of lottery tickets who may never pan out, but turning a mid-level free agent into this kind of upside in just a few months time is how good organizations get rebuilt. Theo Epstein, Jed Hoyer, and the rest of their front office are doing things the right way.”

            http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/orioles-upgrade-with-scott-feldman-cubs-continue-stocking-up/

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            agree to disagree…that quote is merely someone else’s opinion…doesn’t change the fact that it turns out the Cubs didn’t need the slot money, as they are willing to pay penalties regardless.
            I maintain if slot money was kept out of the deal, you still get the same Intl players, and you perhaps get a higher quality prospect in return for Feldman.

          • Tony_Hall

            I don’t believe it changes the players they would have gotten back. Just made it easier to say yes, as they continue to try and stay under the cap, if possible.

          • Ray Ray

            The bottom line is that Feldman didn’t have much value.

          • Dorasaga

            I just replied Jason above, and wonder what’s your thought of the Cubs being first movers?

          • Tony_Hall

            I think it makes sense. All trades will be based off of the trades that are already made, and the best chance to get an over pay is early or late.

          • Dorasaga

            The Cubs are not the Dodgers nor the Yanks. They don’t have a great broadcast deal. They’ve been losing big markets for a while due to the changing demographics (includes international connections). They can’t overpay and be fined all the time as the Yanks and LA-D can.

            What the Cubs can do, for the time being, playing by the rule. And they are; being the first traders and takers of the slot money. It’s also important to understand, in business, the “first mover advantage.” By stepping into the trade market before everyone else, not only are the Cubs learning first hand what their counterparts are expecting, they can also set the table and push the market to where they want.

          • J Daniel

            That quote is someone’s opinion just like everyone’s on here. I would agree with Tony as you need to see the big picture. Can you remember the last few years under JH?

          • Tom U

            Jason, as far as the penalty goes, I’m going to go outside of baseball for an analogy.

            It is similar to the Bears trading future draft picks for Jay Cutler. The front office looked at what talent might be available next year, and figured using them money now would be better.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            Tom,
            Agreed…I get the penalty, and have absolutely no problem with them taking the approach.
            The issue is the slot money. This is a big-market team charging fans big-market dollars.
            If they have no problem (and can afford) paying the penalties, why did they even bother asking for slot money in the trade?
            My point is…the Cubs have cash. They apparently have enough to pay penalties too.
            So why not just get the best possible prospects for Feldman, rather than getting cash and perhaps a watered-down prospect.
            If there was no intl money in the trade for Feldman, it stands to reason they could have gotten a higher-quality prospect…that was my only point.
            I just get a bit defensive when the Cubs cry poor or “need money”. At first I thought there was a hard cap on Intl spending, so I totally agreed with the trade for slot money. Now that I know there is no cap, I feel they got a little less back for Feldman than they should of.
            by the way…your farm articles are awesome…don’t know how you and Neil find the time, but it is appreciated!

          • Tony_Hall

            They haven’t given up on staying under the cap, so they are getting Int’l dollars back to try and stay under. I don’t believe it really changed who they got back as much as sweetened the pot with something the Orioles were not going to use anyway.

            And show me any article, blog posting, etc, that isn’t “just” somebodies opinion.

          • Tom U

            Thank you and here is something else to chew on. From what I understand, the penalty doesn’t mean that they can’t sign international players next year, but they are limited in what they can offer.

            This can create a reverse scenario in which the Cubs trade slot money for players next year.

          • TheWrongGuy

            This is ONLY my opinion/observation. Read this and look at money for school…

            http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2013/07/report-cubs-agree-to-a-deal-with-dominican-of-eloy-jimenez.php#.Udg9nTtJPko

            Supposedly the CUBS FO has found a loop-hole. Now -$250k for school

            E. Jimez $2.8 ($250k for school)
            G. Torres $1.7 (IF -$250k for school $1.45)
            J. Mejia $850k (IF -$250k for school $600)
            E. Moreno $800k (IF -$250k for school $550k)
            Y. Matos $270k (IF -$250k for school $20k)

            2.8+1.45+600k+550k+20k= $5,420,000 – $5,520,300 = $100,300 UNDER the $5,520,300 of bonus pool money we have to spend.

            THATS MY 2 cents!

          • GaryLeeT

            It’s my understanding that the Jimenez signing is not official so they are technically not in penalty situation yet. My guess is that all future pre deadline trades will almost certainly include international signing money.

          • Bredstik

            I get what you’re saying. When the trade was made, we were thinking that the Cubs were obtaining the international slot money so as to stay under the max penalty. It sounds right now like they’re willing to just pay the max penalty. If that’s the case, I’m not sure how much help the additional slot money they traded for is giving them.

            Let’s see what happens from here though. There could always be more slot money coming their way in another deal or two.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            exactly…thanks for understanding my point.

          • Ray Ray

            Good points. As I said it was a great deal for the O’s. They basically gave away 2 players who had worn out their welcome and didn’t trade away any prospects. Goes to show you that Feldman really didn’t have much value.

          • RynoTiger

            I’d just like to throw into this long string conversation that I’d like some French toast for breakfast this morning. Thank you. I return everyone to the conversation.

          • JasonOfTheBurbs

            not sure if it shows whether Feldman had value or if the Cubs just didn’t get enough back. Time will tell.

          • Ray Ray

            As I said if you are the O’s you have to be thrilled by what you gave up in this deal. Didn’t trade any prospects and the players you gave up were basically 2 guys you didn’t want anymore. Arrieta could be a BOR starter if he gains some sort of command. He and Strop have been terrible this year.

          • KingKongKingman

            nice return?????
            strop is no different from marmol (no where near the mlb success at one point by marmol), ed sanchez or h-rod; all waiver pick-ups. and he’s 28. not a prosepect; more of a inconsistent waiver wire mlb player.
            arrieta cannot hit the broad sign of a barn. is 27 and most likely will be a power arm in the pen; he could be a closer if he can figure out how to get his 97 mph heater over the plate for 1 inning; but not a prospect.
            this trade was all for the int’l money. “rolling the dice ” on 16 yr olds ;which is the main return on this trade; is not a “nice return”. (at least is was not an injured “prospect’ like the maholm/Johnson trade non-netted us.

          • Tony_Hall

            Not sure what you expected for Feldmanbut yes this was a nice return. You probably didn’t like the return for Marshall either.

        • J Daniel

          They can be disappointed but my answer would be to play better. Fact is, most are not capable.

      • paulcatanese

        Agree for the most part, but the players may have on their minds on what could have been had if they were with a decent relief core, 13 or 14 more victories and they would have been in the wild card race.
        Not probable, but players that are hoping to stick around have hopes of what could have been.
        Who knows what’s in the minds of players that are on the bubble, and don’t figure in the future of the team?

      • KingKongKingman

        you really think the players like all this losing. year 4 and rickets is going to have another 95 loss team. next yr won’t be better; way too many holes and they have not made any attempts to add core pieces on the mlb roster. and they ruined castro with deer and rowson horrid hitting combo coaches.

        smardz won’t sign with this team; he’ll want a winner; which this team won’t be till 2016 at the earliest. I fear how bad the Garza trade will be; prob no pieces to the mlb roster again and worried about int’l signing money too that they blew their budget on high school sophomores.
        by 2016; if castro and Rizzo are around; castro will have 6 losing seasons and Rizzo 4. not good.
        I can’t blame smardz. every corporation has the “tone’ set at the top; the cubs “tone” is we are losing on purpose; so hard to blame the players if they are pissed. watch the next 3 months; the “effort” is gonna slowly disappear.

        • Tony_Hall

          You have taken too many negative downer pills for me.

          • KingKongKingman

            seems you have too many uppers!

          • Tony_Hall

            No, just don’t get why so many people want to go through life seeing the negative in everything. There is always something good to take out of most situations, but it always easier to pick apart and point out the negatives.

            Surprised you are still posting under this name, soon you will have to choose 1.

  • Tom U

    Daytona Cubs notes:

    It appears that 2B Stephen Bruno will be out indefinitely, as he Tweeted that he was having Tommy John surgery.

    The injury news on RHP Ryan Searle appears to be better. He direct Tweeted (see TheCCO-TheMinors feed) that he is recovering slowly and hopes to be back in games soon.

    The battle to replace Javier Baez at shortstop will be waged between Wes Darvill and Tim Saunders. Darvill is an organization favorite and impressed by being a “good soldier” last season by playing out of position at third base. Saunders is a better athlete and better defender, but it looks as though the Cubs are interested in developing him as a right handed Logan Watkins.

    With the promotion of Baez, the D-Cubs are now thin in the infield. The most likely scenario is that Brad Zapenas, who was recently promoted to Tennessee, will be demoted. However, don’t be too surprised if either draftees Zak Blair or Giuseppe Papaccio end up there.

    The reports that OF’s Zeke DeVoss and Taiwan Easterling are on thin ice are growing. It seems that officials were upset with DeVoss for his poor defense that ended up costing them the game on Wednesday. Pin-Chieh Chen has moved past Easterling in playing time. The orgainzation might end up demoting DeVoss while looking at OF’s Kevin Encarnacion, Jacob Hannemann, and possibly Albert Almora.

    • Tony_Hall

      Doesn’t this show how you have to keep bringing in talent. We are loaded at young SS and middle infielders, yet after moving one up, we seem to have a hole now.

      Keep signing talent, regardless of position. If the player has talent bring them in, the rest will sort itself out as they progress through the system.

      • Tom U

        Tony, I don’t think that there is a “hole” at shortstop for Daytona, but I am intrigued on how they will fill the position.

        It seems that both the organization and Baez seem to get a little “sensitive” when competition gets near. They have already moved Arismendy Alcantara, who is a better shortstop, over to second (however, I have been on record that I believe second is Alcantara’s best position), and there were rumors about Tim Saunders.

        One wonders what will happen if any (or all) of them improve and Baez struggles.

    • Dorasaga

      I saw Searle pitch for his WBC Australian team. Wasn’t impressed. He doesn’t have that competitive nature (adrenaline high) that RPs need.

  • Tom U

    With an upcoming road trip to Vancouver, the Boise Hawks will have to make five roster moves due to visa issues.

    The Hawks have not announce them yet, but it appears that Cubans Yasiel Balaguert and Carlos Martinez-Pumarino, Dominicans Loiger Padron and Orbandy Rodriguez, and Venezuelan Carlos Penalver are the likely suspects.

    They will be replaced by “5 day wonders” from the AZL Cubs, who will return there once the trip is over.

    No word on whether Canadians Ethan Elias, Jasvir Rakkar, Justin Marra,and Trevor Gretzky (dual citizenship) will have trouble crossing the border.

    • Tom U

      Hawks add second round pick LHP Rob Zastryzny (the fifth Canadian), tenth round pick RHP Zack Godley, and rehabbing RHP Dae-Eun Rhee. Boise has placed RHP Carlos Martinez-Pumarino and OF Jacpb Hannemann on the 7-day DL with undisclosed injuries.