Cubs Reportedly Talking with Teams about Possible Trades

According to Buster Olney, the Cubs have started the process of exchanging names with other teams on some of their players. With the draft in the rearview mirror and the trading deadline around seven weeks away, Olney’s report should not come as a surprise. The Cubs are open for business and have several players teams could have interest in. If the front office can make the right deals, it will help add inventory to an already improving system.

As both Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer have said, look for the deals the Cubs make to include as much pitching as possible.

So which players will be dealt? And which ones will be kept?

Matt Garza

Matt Garza improved his stock with Friday’s outing against the Astros. While the line does not look as good, Garza threw the ball much better against Houston than he did last Sunday in New York. Garza followed up the worst statistical start of his career with seven shutout innings against the Mets and eight dominant innings on Friday. Garza has allowed one run on seven hits with four walks and 13 strikeouts over his last 15-plus innings (0.60 ERA, 0.80 WHIP).

Buster Olney reported the Orioles are one of the teams believed to be interested in Garza. According to Jim Bowden, Garza makes sense for the Orioles, Rangers, Indians, Rockies and Giants. There have been rumblings over the last few weeks of the Giants possible interest in Garza.

Scott Feldman

Scott Feldman did not help himself or the Cubs with his last outing on Thursday in St. Louis. But while the line was not that good, he threw the ball well and had good command.

The Giants seem to be one of the teams that would be interested in trading for Feldman according to the San Francisco Chronicle’s Hank Schulman. Feldman seems to be a better fit with a NL club based on the improvement he has shown this season under Chris Bosio.

Good outings for Feldman in Milwaukee and in Oakland would up his value.

Kevin Gregg

Kevin Gregg is going to be moved, the question is not if but when. According to Buster Olney, the Cubs encouraged “at least one team” to review tape of Gregg’s outings to see the improvement he has made this year.

James Russell

Buster Olney speculated that James Russell could be available and correctly pointed out that Russell is under team control for two more seasons. Russell is in his first arbitration season, is extremely affordable ($1.075 million) and in turn, should be very expensive to any team interested in trading for him.

It is not a secret that the Cubs lack left-handed pitching in the system, especially near big league ready, and the front office is finding out this season how important it is for the psyche of a young team to be able to close out wins. The front must do what is right for the long-term success of the team but at the same time, they cannot give Russell away and should be asking for the same return to the one they received the last time they traded a very good left-handed reliever.

Nate Schierholtz

Buster Olney speculated that Schierholtz would be a fit for the Royals and the Pirates. Olney pointed out the history of trades between Theo Epstein, Jed Hoyer and Neal Huntington could help the Pirates fill a need.

Of the position players, Nate Schierholtz could be the one the front office keeps. Schierholtz is under control for one more season and he would provide a cost effective option for 2014 while players gain experience down on the farm.

Alfonso Soriano

Alfonso Soriano seems to be ready to waive his no-trade clause, especially after his outburst in the clubhouse last Sunday in New York and the comments he made about Carlos Marmol. The problem the Cubs have now is trying to find a team that would be interested considering he is not hitting.

The Yankees have been rumored as a possible destination. Soriano recently said he would not mind finishing his career in New York. The Cubs willingness to pay a majority of his remaining contract will help but the front office would want an actual prospect or two in return and the Yankees system is rather thin.

According to Buster Olney, the Cubs have outfielders in the minors they would like to promote, including Brian Bogusevic, who is having a good year with the I-Cubs. Bogusevic’s tenth homer of the season on Friday was of the inside-the-park variety and he is hitting .325/.425/.518/.943 with 14 doubles, two triples and 10 home runs in 75 games.

This is just the beginning … stay tuned it should be an interesting seven weeks.

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  • BosephHeyden

    Anyone else find it odd (and a good thing) that we can talk about the Royals as “buyers”?

    • GaryLeeT

      It only took them 25 years to figure out that they can’t build a winner almost exclusively through the farm system.

      • Bryan

        And what’s our excuse after 100+ years?

  • GaryLeeT

    Why would the Cubs trade Russell, and thin out what is already the worst pen in baseball?

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      Because we need arms in the farm system more tham we need an arm now. This season is lost.

    • Ray Ray

      Because you try and sell high. He is a LOOGY. He can’t get righties out consistently and he probably won’t have any higher value than he does now.

      • Tony_Hall

        Are you telling me you are starting to understand the the Buy LO and Sell High process? Because I would have thought you would want to extend Russell and keep him around.

        • Ray Ray

          I have always understood that. I wanted them to trade Marmol 2 years ago. I wanted LaHair traded early last year. I want Russell traded. I wanted Barney moved. I think Wood should be considered to see his value. Feldman should definately be moved. Unfortunately too many people get caught up in small sample size and think they will do it their entire career. And…..selling high is also selling your prospects high. Chris Archer, Hak Ju Lee etc.

          • J Daniel

            The great Hak Ju Lee a lot were upset about.

          • Tony_Hall

            The great Hak Ju Lee who is still just 22 years old, was in AAA and off to a great start (422/536/600 in 15 games) before season ending injury cut his season short. He finished up AA at 261/336/360 which is more in line with what anyone should expect from him offensively.

          • Tony_Hall

            I think you finally have a registered log-in, but posting under 2 names is just wrong…guy.

          • TheWrongGuy

            I am not Ray Ray.

            I will hold my 2 cents to pay for Garza’s contract.

          • Tony_Hall

            Now, how did you ever figure out I was talking about you, it’s not like your posts are just the Cub fan from Texas.

          • Ray Ray

            What? I am not posting under 2 names.

          • TheWrongGuy

            me either.

          • Tony_Hall

            Man, you both responded so quickly to one another, it’s like you are on the same wavelength.

          • TheWrongGuy

            I have been watching. Trying to figure out who it is your talking about.

          • Tony_Hall

            Really?? You responded immediately, “I am not Ray Ray”

          • Ray Ray

            Believe it or not….there are many more people who think the same way.

          • Tony_Hall

            Same with me, buddy. Have fun on the errands. Talk to you later.

      • J Daniel

        Exactly – just like Marshall except he was making more. That trade sure looks good now.

        • Tony_Hall

          That trade was a great trade.

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    Reading the Francona book I justt read about the beginnings of Theo’s problems with Lucchino, around the time he “resigned,” for three months. A big reason for these digferences was Theo’s desire to build a system that was a “player building and development machine,” and the Red Sox weren’t willing to give up on a year while he sold off the assets for prospects to begin it.

    After reading more in the book about Theo, and how to the point I’m at he has made so many moves crucial to their success, I am truly grateful that Ricketts was willing to give him a few down years to build that machine. It sucks now, but all the baseball people in Boston believed in Theo and I do too. I think we have the brightest mond in the game and pretty soon we will be the model for the rest of the MLB.

    I’m telling you guys, get this book. If you like or don’t like Theo it may give you more confidence in him. He pressed all the right buttons for them. Most o the big signings they made that failed were pushed on him from the front office. When you learn more about him it’s clear that signing big dollar free agents such as Lackey and Crawford would never be his style. I’m not to the Dice-K part yet but when I get there I’ll let you know what his part was. I have a feeling he did push or that, but nobody is perfect.

    Anyway, read the book.

  • raymondrobertkoenig

    I realize Gregg is only the closer for the short-term, but who closes if he’s traded?

    • Ray Ray

      Let one of the young kids try. Frank Batista, Blake Parker,Tony Zych etc.

    • BosephHeyden

      The answer is “Not Marmol”.

  • Ray Ray

    Garza is still a young quality starter. I would have loved to have locked him up(instead of using that money on EJAX) but that didn’t happen. He is only a rent a player now so I imagine we will only get back 2 top prospects for him. One of the prospects absolutely needs to be a starting pitching prospect who is near MLB ready. Patrick Corbin was part of the Dan Haren deal. Jeff Locke was part of a trade. They need to hit a HR on that deal.

    • Tony_Hall

      Why do you continue to say that the Cubs can’t extend Garza because they signed EJAX? This has been reported by nobody except you.

      Jackson’s contract is not a hinderous on signing anyone, as a SP that makes $11M/year is not a big contract.

      • BosephHeyden

        I get what he’s been saying. Even before this mess with Jackson, everyone viewed Garza as a better pitcher than Jackson. And the Cubs have made it no secret they view him as, at the very least, their number 2 guy if not the ace of their staff. If the Cubs are paying Jackson $11 million per year, then all the momentum in negotiation belongs to Garza. Locking him up is at least going to cost the Cubs twice as much per year as they’re paying Jackson.

        Had the Cubs made the move to extend Garza, it was feasible that maybe they could lock him up for $15-$18 million a year, which would be about where his value is. Now, the precedent has been set. And Garza is most definitely not worth $22 million a year.

        • Ray Ray

          Exactly. Just basically said the same thing before I read your post.

        • Tony_Hall

          It just doesn’t work that way, no one is going pay GArza $22M and EJAX contract did NOT change the pitching marketplace.

          Did anyone, EVER think that Garza would sign for less than $11M per year if he wasn’t injured? NOBODY DID

          If he finishes the year healthy and goes to FA, he will get between $15-$17M/year for 3-4 years.

          • Ray Ray

            All it takes is one team. Just like the Cubs with EJax. Who thought EJax would get a 4 year 52 mil contract?

      • Ray Ray

        Because I feel that contract is a leverage tool for Garza now and I don’t think Theo will pay Garza what he can get on the open market. You keep saying that he makes 11 mil per year. OK…if you use that argument, he is making 19 mil this year. 52 mil for 4 years is 52 mil.

        • Tony_Hall

          On the books he is owed 3 years and $33M after this season. Simple fact.

          Even with a payroll around $100M, that is not a lot of money.

          The only way Theo pays him what he can get on the open market is if we sign him in the off-season. Why would any team pay full FA value before they have to do it.

          • Ray Ray

            I guess the Cubs are SOL then on that 19 mil this year. Genius contract. So smart for the Cubs to eat that 8 mil upfront so that they could trade him to another team for 11 mil per.

          • Tony_Hall

            No it means it was front-loaded versus back-loaded.

            Please tell me which way works best JH’s back-loaded way, ala Soriano, or Theo’s way of front-loading where the burden is paid at time of signing.

          • Ray Ray

            If a team has a high payroll….backloaded contracts sometimes are necessary. Do you think Theo did all backloaded contracts in Boston? Please!

          • Ray Ray

            I meant frontloaded in Boston

          • Tony_Hall

            No teams do what they can at the time. Last off-season, it was easier to pay the FA market price by giving a signing bonus, which makes his contract look better after one season and easier to stomach, and easier to trade.

          • Ray Ray

            hard to stomach that 19 mil for this year if you ask me. Take a look at his stats this year. Enough to make you sick.

          • Tony_Hall

            No one player is worth $19M in any season….it is hard to stomach how much these guys make to play a game….but that is the sport.

          • Ray Ray

            But my point is that if you say that EJAX only makes 11 mil per after this year….the Cubs still had to pay 19 mil for this year. Is that a win?????

          • Tony_Hall

            No, it is money down the drain. It was the cost to sign EJAX instead of an extra team, $8M extra, one time at signing. After losing out on overpaying Sanchez, they chose to overpay EJAZ.

            That is what FA is all about, the right to overpay players, by outbidding every other team.

          • Ray Ray

            I can’t imagine there was another team willing to go 4 years at 52 mil for EJax.

          • Tony_Hall

            No more like 4-44 and teams pushing to do a signing bonus of X million. The Cubs won by going to 8.

            I guarantee you no other team was willing to go 4-52, that is why the Cubs signed him.

            Almost every FA signing is overpaying what the next team would do, the question, that can almost never be answered is…how much?

          • Ray Ray

            Glad we won that bidding war. lol. there was a reason noone ever was willing to give him a multi year before

          • Tony_Hall

            He is starting to settle down. We can both only imagine what is like to sign a contract like that and have the expectations so high. He is nothing more than a back of the rotation SP, but buying on the FA market is the worst way to do it.

            Yet you and others wish they had gone out and would have “won” more bidding wars to make this team, just a little better. That is what I don’t get. You don’t go from 65-70 wins to 85-90 wins by adding a FA or two.

          • Ray Ray

            so you admit that this was a bad sign. cmon Tony. I know you have it in you. Let me hear you say that Theo made a mistake signing Ejax to this contract.

          • TheWrongGuy

            I do agree it was a bad signing for the money involved.
            But for what they signed him for role wise is still over-priced.
            I think they signed him to be an innings eater, for a few years till they can get the system rolling out prospects.

          • Tony_Hall

            He wasn’t on my list of players I wanted. It is not a mistake as much as they wanted to bring in a SP, because the system is so bare at the top ranks and will be a few years before producing SP’s.

            The FA market is what it is, if you shop there you will overpay.

            You like to think that every decision is black and white, right or wrong, a great signing or a mistake. But it just doesn’t work that way. He will eat up innings and do what he has done his entire career, be a little above league average at most. He will not finish this contract with the Cubs, but was not brought in to be traded in 2013. 2014 not likely, but 2015 for sure.

            Call it more grey…

          • Ray Ray

            I disagree. I think he will finish the contract with the Cubs or they will have to eat a lot of it to move him….even paying him 19 mil this year.

          • Tony_Hall

            Not likely, but time will tell.

            $11M for a SP is just not that much. in 2015 or 2016 when the Cubs are having SP’s coming up to take over the rotation, they will trade him away no problem.

          • Ray Ray

            One last point and I got some erands to run. If it is OK to frontload a contract for EJAX….Why not do that for a position player like Michael Bourn? He got 4 years for 48. So if the Cubs would have paid him 18 mil for this year….he would only be making 10 mil for the last 3. Pretty team friendly huh??? If you are OK paying EJAX 19 mil for this year….I sure as hell would have liked to see Michael Bourn in CF for 18 mil this year.

          • Tony_Hall

            If they wanted to bring him in, that would have been how. They didn’t want to bring in a player whose entire game is based on his legs. We have beaten that horse to death so many times before though, don’t believe we need to again.

            Plus we would have had to outbid the Indians, so you have to go above 4/48.

          • triple

            Player A: 217PA, 32R, 52H, 15 2b, 2 3b, 6HR, 21RBI, 3SB, 0CS, 15BB, 35K, .260BA, .318OBP, .445SLG, .763 OPS, 107 OPS+

            Player B: 209PA, 28R, 57H, 11 2b, 1 3b, 2HR, 11RBI, 11SB, 4 CS, 14BB, 50K, .294BA, .344OBP, .392SLG, .736 OPS, 110 OPS+

            One of these players is tied up for 4 years/$48 million, while the other is making $4.25mil this year with a $6.5mil team option for next year or $1.5mil buyout. Scheirholtz is holding his own in RF, and you know Soriano will be in LF, so these are your 2 choices for CF.

            Ray, pretty please, with sugar on top… please justify how one of these players is really worth $9.25 mil more than the other! Because if that $9mil for the 8 extra stolen bases and 5 extra singles is all that’s keeping the Cubs from being competitive, you would be right!

          • Tony_Hall

            He will never answer this as he HATES DeJesus and loves Bourne. Even mentioning the comparison will make him upset.

          • triple

            I know! He also wanted Placido Polanco signed to play 3rd base! Luis Valbuena presently is a much better ball player than Polanco, and at a fraction of the cost.

          • Ray Ray

            Another player I hate. You can have Valbuena and his bat flip. He will be under .220 by the end of the year and I will come back and gloat about that to you as well!

          • Ray Ray

            Yea that 2.75 mil for Polanco would have been hard to stomach(Ian Stewart) I will make you a little bet Triple. I will bet you Polanco will have a higher average at the end of the year than Valbuena. Will you take that?

          • Ray Ray

            Hahahaha. You got that right.Not a DeJesus fan one bit. As I said…I could outrun him.

          • Tony_Hall

            I can outrun most of them, doesn’t make me a better baseball player. Dejesus is having the same year as $48m Bourne. For far, far less money and less commitment.

          • Ray Ray

            He is out 30 days. DeJesus is a platoon player. How is that a comparison. I can compare Schierholtz to Jason Heyward at this time of the year but who would you rather have? I am not a huge Heyward fan but the talent level between the 2 is significant…as is Bourn and DeJesus

          • Tony_Hall

            A platoon player with the same AB’s.

            Hey ward isn’t the best example. He is so up and down, oh and is well under 30 unlike Bourne

          • Ray Ray

            OK lets compare what Jason Marquis is doing with SD at 4 mil compared to what our 19 mil per year player EJAX is doing. That is the same thing you are saying.

          • Tony_Hall

            Not exactly. You want the Cubs to do more in free agency, not shop for bargains. Find someone who was higher ranked in free agency then who we signed and compare them with the extra money we would have had to committee.

          • Ray Ray

            It was comparing a RF to Schierholtz as that example.

            Eye test. It is easy to see if you watch the game instead of looking at a computer. To compare Bourn to DeJesus is like comparing Schierholtz to a more talented player just because Schierholtz has better stats on the 3rd week of June

          • Tony_Hall

            Awful defensive when we knock your guy Bourne.

          • Ray Ray

            It is not just Bourn but adding better players. I cannot understand(and you know this) a big market team can justify the players they are putting out there during this rebuild. Adding a good player like Michael Bourn would not have hurt this rebuild one bit. I would rather see him or any other legit major leaguer leadoff than Barney,Valbuena,DeJesus,etc

          • Tony_Hall

            It is just so much more complicated than that. Would signing Bourne add any surplus value (war*cost per war in comparison to actual extra cost to sign Bourne versus who we already have). I will find the article that broke this down for you. It was in the off season and showed how signing Bourne would not benefit the cubs. If they were a cf away from competing in 2013, then yes he is the answer to the question.

          • Ray Ray

            Are you serious? You are comparing a guy who is one of the best defensive CF in baseball, who has a “sustained” I know you like that word. lol…. track record of being one of the games best leadoff hitters for several years and will continue to be to a guy who platoons and hits .150 against LHP and couldn’t outrun me? A guy who could be the leadoff hitter for the Cubs for the next 2 or 3 years after this year instead of Gag…Cough….Gag…..seeing Darwin Barney or Luis Valbuena leadoff. Is that what you are saying??? Please Please tell me how you would not rather see a good player and legit leadoff hitter on a BIG MARKET team instead of the players I mentioned above. Let me know with a Cherry on top.

          • triple

            Yes Ray, I would rather see a good player/legit leadoff hitter on this team, but not while we are this bad of a team… You are acting like Bourn would turn us into an immediate contender if we had the benefit of his 5 less runs, 5 more singles, 4 less doubles, 1 less triple, 4 less homers, 10 less RBI’s, 8 more stolen bases, and 4 more outs made trying to steal bases. And you actually said you’d be happy paying him $18mil this year? You are actually okay with giving Bourn Soriano money and signed to a 4 year contract? This all blows my mind! Wouldn’t you agree that the Cubs could have been in better position to rebuild if we weren’t weighted down with Sori’s contract over the last 4 years? If we have to compare Sori’s contract with Bourn’s $18mil that you think would be money better spent, that just makes your case even worse.

          • Ray Ray

            You are not reading properly. I compared EJAX contract as an example with Bourn. Actually Bourn is making 7 mil this year if you look at his contract. I said what is the difference if you pay Bourn 18 mil this year if it is OK to pay EJAX 19 mil this year. What is the difference Triple? Will EJAX turn us into a contender? No,of course not. But like I said….if you add better players you get better returns when you look to trade them. If you look at Bourn’s splits…he is hitting over .290 this year against RHP and over .280 against LHP. So instead of carrying 2 players on the team since DeJesus is a platoon, you now carry 1. Bourn’s contract is less than EJAX and he is a much better player and would get back a better return. Think Big Market.

      • TheWrongGuy

        EJAX’s contract and signing means the CUBS won’t resign Garza. The CUBS were looking to re-sign him at one point I believe. But only at their price and a team friendly contract. Now though with EJAX. The leverage as posted already the negotiations leverage belongs to Garza. Team friendly contract not possible. Yet I do think it is a possible trader leverage for the CUBS (think like the R.A. Dickey trade where the Blue Jays negotiated a contract with Dickey before the trade was final), in an effort to lobby for more prospects in return. This I think is a great reason reason to open the doors for trading early. If we can’t sign him maybe another team can.

        That’s my 2 cents.

        • Tony_Hall

          Add up all your 2 cents and we may be able to afford Garza….

          Sorry we just don’t agree that signing EJAX means the Cubs would not be able to extend Garza.

        • triple

          I find it hard to believe that a couple guys who have been involved in MLB baseball since graduating college, and one who has 10 years experience as a MLB GM would fail to realize that signing a guy like Jackson for the money they paid would put him completely out of funds to resign a guy like Garza to a contract in the following season. You obviously understand all the cards that the FO/Ricketts hold way better than those guys do. I’m sure if you just call ‘em up and let ‘em know about the mistake they’ve made, that they would hire you as a consultant so this would not happen again… I mean people do not become that successful by not thinking about the short-term and long-term future before pulling the trigger on a deal.

          I’m sure though that IF Garza does not get traded, the Cubs will find enough money to keep him in Chicago if they feel he is worth it.

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          For what it is worth, that is not the way I understand from information I have gathered. The hiccup with them extending Garza had more to do with him wanting a no-trade clause than anything. Once they could not agree, the plan shifted to trading him. After dealing with injuries for 10 months, he might have relaxed his stance on the no-trade clause.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil
  • 07GreyDigger

    They don’t have the most tradable pieces, but they are useful and more pieces than last year I’d say. Can’t wait for the trade dealine, win or lose the best time in all of baseball!

  • matthew8510

    what did sori say about marmol i missed it

  • Bryan

    What a sad state of affairs….with one of the highest ticket prices in all of baseball, we continue to be “sellers”, ready to gut what is already a miserable major league representation. Everyone’s hoping that the genius FO has all this figured out, while in the meantime “sticking” it to the fanbase with outrageous costs. You know folks, at the end of the day we have a cheap owner. All this talk of new scoreboards, new advertising and the like…did Ricketts not know what he was purchasing when he bought this franchise? Crappy product on the field, crappy manager, crappy team announcers….but yet high prices to watch all this. Yep, all good on the north side!

    • RynoTiger

      fixin’ crap ain’t cheap!
      if it was, I would have offered to buy the Cubs.

      • TheWrongGuy

        Nor is it cheap to fix an out date ballpark, or sign players to play in said ballpark.

        Or build training facilities in the DR.

        Or build a new Spring Training/rehab facility.

        • Tony_Hall

          Correct, in 5 years we will look back and be amazed at how much the Ricketts did to build this organization the right way.

          • Ray Ray

            Now it is 5 more years?

          • Tony_Hall

            I knew no matter how I stated that you would say that. In 5 years this organization will be in great shape, because of what they are doing today.

            Wrigley will be rebuilt.

            New ST facility, will be…not new anymore.

            DR facility will be fully up and running.

            The minor leagues will be a perenial Top 5 system.

            The major league team will be in the middle of a very long run of making the playoffs every year.

            And we will all be celebrating a World Series Chamionship…….

        • Bryan

          Hmm…that’s part of “due diligence” in buying a franchise. He knew all that going in…so again, the fanbase shouldn’t take it on the chin.

          • Tony_Hall

            The fact that he is addressing all of these areas in the early years, shows that he did his due diligence. Trying to say that he didn’t is just ignorant.

          • TheWrongGuy

            Well it’s more along the line that the Rickett’s are looking to gain even more money in also building their own Hotel near the ballpark. Remember he did say he was a business man, and will run the organization as a business. All businessmen are ALWAYS looking for the next way to make more money.

    • Tony_Hall

      Actually, by the way he is trying to rebuild things, I believe he very well knew the sad state of affairs at Clark and Addison. What is hard to understand is why so many diehard fans on this site think a quick fix would have worked when we all know how much of a mess this entire organization was in after going for it for so many years.

      • Bryan

        We’ve heard the same chorus under the Dallas Green regime, then McPhail, now Theo. Cubs fans are just notorious for drinking the kool-aid. As many here have said, you can rebuild yet still maintain a respectable major league presence. That just doesn’t apply here. I don’t see Rickett’s lowering prices while Theo & team admit that the roster status issue are theirs. So the attitude is “hang in there fans, we “think” we have a better solution, but while we’re working this long process we want you to keep paying outrageous prices to watch our dismal product.” Nice!

        • Tony_Hall

          Please tell me which players they should have signed that would have made them better and not completely hand-cuff the team financially. And don’t list players that are producing way above what was expected, as those are the same type signings that the Cubs did and some work, and some don’t.

          If only they had splurged and signed Pujols and Hamilton we could be doing as good as the Angels….

          If only they had traded for some great players in AGON and Hanley we could be doing as good as the Dodgers…..

          If only we took the time to rebuild our organization we could be doing as good as the CARDINALS and BRAVES….oh wait a minute that is what we are trying to do.

          • Bryan

            Tony…are you sure you aren’t on the club’s marketing payroll? Anybody who comments on anything contrary to your thinking you just thrive on debating with. So, let’s have it….send off the next message about how awful some of us are for saying anything negative about our dear franchise, or questioning the “brilliance” of the current FO.

          • Tony_Hall

            You never say anything positive, everything is soooo negative.

            If you don’t like the ticket prices….don’t pay them.

            If you don’t like the price of concessions…don’t buy them.

            If you don’t like the Cubs….why do you follow them.

            If you don’t like my posts….don’t read them.

          • Ray Ray

            Fans can be disappointed in the team and be the biggest diehard fans as anyone. You were very critical of the JH regime. Now you are thrilled with boy wonder. Just take each people’s views as that. Passionate fans who want the best for the city of Chicago. You are not going to change others opinions and noone is going to change yours. Take it as that

          • Tony_Hall

            Totally agree. But with JH, it was time for him to leave. He was into this season only, and no care of the minors league system, the draft, or next season. The cat chasing his own tail.

            Theo does not need to leave and he isn’t going anywhere. So why bash the rebuilding process and how messy it is getting, when he told you on day 1 how it would be.

          • Ray Ray

            You know my thoughts Tony. We have gone back and forth for a long time. LOL. With the 2 wildcards I believe you can try and compete at the same time. You don’t. I am totally for rebuilding the farm system and building thru the draft but I don’t think you need to waste 2 years of intentionally losing. That is our biggest disagreement imo.

          • Tony_Hall

            Looking at the draft money might make you think differently, as the mid-level teams might have wished to have the draft money the Cubs had this year. You can’t just overspend because you have the money anymore. You have to be given your rationing from Uncle Bud. And that only works if you are near the top of the draft.

          • JasonPen

            Exactly. You can’t just draft a guy who has signability problems and overpay to get him anymore. To get top tier players, you have to be picking at the top

          • Ray Ray

            You might want to let the Cardinals know your little secret.

          • JasonPen

            Time will tell. The new CBA hasn’t been around long enough. I like the Cubs’ picks better than the Cardinal’s picks in the drafts since the new agreement.

            The point remains. You can’t just spend more to get a better draft. It’s not allowed.

          • Bryan

            Ray…I agree 100%. And it’s not just the current/recent 2 years…it’s probably 1-2 more to come, in a perfect world assuming our player development goes as planned.

          • Tony_Hall

            Very well could be, but next year should be the start of the system starting to produce players. And then starting in 2015, the organization will be producing players every year moving forward, either by developing players to play for us, or developing players to trade to fill holes.

          • Bryan

            Ray…thank goodness there’s still a few more days of hockey left.

          • Ray Ray

            Go Hawks!

          • Bryan

            Tony…as a loyal Cub fan since the early 60,s I’ll be the first to commend, applaud and celebrate our Cubs team (and their management) when merited. And that doesn’t mean having to win a world series. It means professionally managing a franchise, and treating your fan base with fairness.

          • Tony_Hall

            Then why are you not applauding the rebuilding of this team to have an organization that is build the proper way?

            People have said it for years, that this team needed to be rebuilt….this is rebuilding.

        • Henry

          Dallas Green actually did rebuild on the fly. If the Tribune had given him more time we would not be in the sorry state we are in!

          • JasonPen

            It was a different game back then.

          • Henry

            I agree it is. However Bryan is implying that That the Dallas Green Era was spouting the same crap that McFAIL was trying to sell us. I am just setting the record straight. had Green not be the victim of a power struggle we would have seen a plan and a better product on the field. The new hire was Jim Frey. His first move was to ship Lee Smith off to Boston for Al Nipper and Calvin Shiraldi. Just about every trade he made from that point on was trying to make up for that. Dallas Green was a good baseball man who was in the midst of building something good. He should not be grouped with the Front Office personal that followed him.

        • JasonPen

          So don’t pay the prices. Simple.
          You’re welcome.

    • JasonPen

      Please come back in 3 or 4 years when we have a consistent winner. You can bash Theo all you want then. I like what he is doing. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    There was a question raised about someone possibly posting above under two different names. I can assure everyone that is not the case.

    • Tony_Hall

      Sorry, Neil, it was a joke. Just 2 people saying basically the same thing sometimes seconds apart. Plus throwing an elbow about changing screen names.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        No worries man. With that happening in the past, I wanted to make sure everyone knew that was not the case today.

        • TheWrongGuy

          Thanks Neil

  • paulcatanese

    “Wake me when the war is over”:)

  • Mike Cub

    Dallas Green was able to rebuild the farm system AND have a winner on the Major League level within three years. The team Green inherited makes the group bequeathed to Epstein look like the 1927 Yankees. Too bad management lost its nerve and fired Green just as the farm system was beginning to bear fruit (Maddux, Moyer, Grace, Palmiero, Dunston, Girardi, Berryhill, Walton et al).