Weekend Update … The Week That Was and Other Cubs News, Notes and Rumors

It was a busy week for the Chicago Cubs as Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer continued working on the big league roster as well as making additions to minor league system.

The Cubs reportedly agreed to terms with two pitchers that will add depth to the big league staff. The deals for Edwin Jackson and Carlos Villanueva are not official yet and might not be announced until after the holidays but both players should officially become Cubs in the coming days.

The front office still has to clear a spot on the roster to add both pitchers … the Cubs’ 40-man officially stands at 39 players.

The signing of Cody Ross by the Diamondbacks to a three-year deal could open a spot for the Cubs to trade Alfonso Soriano. Jason Kubel is rumored to be on the block with Ross now in Arizona but the Phillies are looking to add a right-handed hitting corner outfielder, not another lefty. The Rangers, Yankees and Orioles have also been connected to the Cubs and Soriano in recent days.

News also surfaced over the last seven days about several minor league signings and the Cubs gambled and lost a reliever on the waiver wire …

Alfonso Soriano

The contracts being handed out to free agent outfielders this off-season could actually end up benefitting the Cubs, that is, if they can find the right trade for Alfonso Soriano and if he waives his no-trade clause.

Soriano is coming off a .262/.322/.499/.821 season with 33 doubles and 32 home runs and on a bad team he set a career-high in RBI (108). Soriano is owed $36 million over the final two years of his contract ($18 million per season). Soriano will play next season at 37 years old (January 7, 1976) which could be an issue. But when teams are signing players like Melky Cabrera (two years, $16 million), Jonny Gomes (two years, $10 million), Angel Pagan (four years, $40 million), Cody Ross (three years, $26 million) and Shane Victorino (three years, $39 million) for big money, the Cubs should receive a couple of very good prospects in return for Soriano if the reports are correct and they are willing to pay all but $10 million left owed to Soriano.

The Phillies losing out on Cody Ross could force Ruben Amaro Jr. to rekindle the talks with the Cubs over Soriano. The teams reportedly discussed two different deals for Soriano … one included Domonic Brown and the other centered on the Cubs receiving pitching back in return, but one of those arms reportedly went to the Twins in the Ben Revere deal.

Cubs Back with StubHub

The Cubs renewed their agreement with StubHub on Friday. The Cubs were reportedly one of three teams that opted out of Major League Baseball’s agreement with the ticket seller. The timeframe fans can buy tickets through Stub Hub has changed. Previously, fans could purchase tickets for that day’s game up to two hours before first pitch. Under the new agreement, fans must purchase their tickets through StubHub six hours prior to first pitch.

Minor League Moves

According to Baseball America, the Cubs released three minor league players over the last week … RHP Pete Levitt, RHP Bryce Shafer and LHP Willengton Cruz.

The Cubs selected Pete Levitt in the 32 round of the 2011 draft and he was a combined 1-3 in 24 relief appearances for the Hawks and Chiefs last season with a 4.46 ERA and a 1.62 WHIP. Bryce Shafer was selected in the 49th round of the 2010 draft out of Valparaiso. The 24-year old right-hander was 2-3 in 33 games out of the pen for Boise and Peoria last season (3.66 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP). Willengton Cruz posted a combined 3-8 record in 24 games, eight starts, for Boise and Peoria last season. The 22-year old lefty struggled throwing strikes and finished the year with a 6.62 ERA and a 1.68 WHIP.

Several former Cubs signed minor league contracts with new teams:  Jeff Gray (White Sox), Justin Berg (Rockies), Mark Reed (Diamondbacks), Xavier Nady (Royals) and Dave Bush (Blue Jays)

Week in Review

It was a busy seven days and in case you missed any of the news, rumors and roster moves, here is a quick rundown with links to all of the reports.

Cubs Ink Jensen Lewis to Minor League Contract – The Cubs added a reliever to the mix on a minor league deal that includes an invite to big league camp. Lewis’ pitching coach from Vanderbilt, Derek Johnson, is now the Cubs Minor League Pitching Coordinator

Cubs Sign Chang-Yong Lim to Minor League Contract – The Cubs announced the two-year, minor league contract with Korean reliever Chang-Yong Lim. The Cubs paid him a $100,000 signing bonus and once he is ready to pitch in the majors in late 2013/2014, Lim will get a raise and hopefully help the backend of the pen.

Cubs Sign RHP Cory Wade to Minor League Contract – The third minor league signing of the week … and the third reliever. Wade received a non-roster invite to Spring Training and gives the Cubs another option arm in the pen.

The Cubs agreed to terms with Carlos Villanueva and Edwin Jackson. The Cubs appear to have added Villanueva on a two-year, $10 million contract and he will give the Cubs insurance in the rotation and depth in the pen. Edwin Jackson agreed to a four-year, $52 million contract and provides some much-needed depth to the rotation. Jackson’s deal includes an $8 million signing bonus and it appears Jackson will be paid $11 million per season (Keith Law reported the terms on Friday and Bruce Levine confirmed them during his show on Saturday).

The Rangers claimed Jeff Beliveau off waivers and the Giants claimed Sandy Rosario off waivers. The Cubs designated Beliveau for assignment on December 13 to make room on the roster for Ian Stewart. The Cubs have paid a lot for Stewart, in terms of players, and it is beyond time for him to play up to expectations. Sandy Rosario was claimed off waivers from the Red Sox on December 12 and is on his fifth different team of the off-season.

The Cubs finally announced the one-year contract with Nate Schierholtz and outrighted Gerardo Concepcion off the 40-man roster and assigned him to the Kane County Cougars. The three roster moves the Cubs made on Friday opened up a spot on the roster for either Carlos Villanueva or Edwin Jackson.

The Cubs 40-man roster officially stands at 39 players with two contracts pending. Click here for the CCO’s 40-man roster that includes service time, contract information and minor league options.

Darwin Barney discussed the Cubs off-season, his Gold Glove and teammates Alfonso Soriano and Starlin Castro on MLB Network Radio.

The Cubs added Brad Nelson on a minor league contract. Nelson figures to man first base in Iowa next season … and on a side note, it will be interesting to see if Greg Rohan receives a non-roster invite to big league camp.

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  • Tony_Hall

    Right now the pitching staff is set between contracts and players with no options, the bullpen and rotation have 1 too many. Of course with Baker expected to be on the DL to start the year, that means it is full.

    Baker DL and assuming Garza will be ready to go.

    1 Garza
    2 Samardzija
    3 E Jackson
    4 Feldman
    5 Villanueva

    1 Marmol
    2 Fujikawa
    3 Russell
    4 Camp
    5 Bowden (out of options)
    6 Rondon (Rule 5 pick)
    7 T Wood (loser of rotation battle)

    That would leave SP depth on the 40 man

    1 Rusin
    2 Raley
    3 Vizcaino (mid-to-late season call up)
    4 Cabrera

    Bullpen depth on the 40 man
    1 Dolis
    2 McNutt

    Seems a little early to be this set…

    • Brp921

      I’m sure that there will be changes in the roster before Vizcaino is ready to go, but if they could find some success with the starting five you mentioned, then a bull pen with Vizcaino, Rondon, Marmol and Fujikawa at the back end could be pretty formidable. That would be, of course, if Fujikawa fullfilled expectations and Marmol doesn’t revert back to the way he was pitching for awhile. I do hope Vizcaino can be durable enouph down the road to be a successful starter but a half a year as a short reliever might help in his recovery.

      • Tony_Hall

        There will be plenty of changes before Vizcaino comes up mid-late season, that is for sure.

        It will be interesting to see how they handle Vizcaino, as you know they would love for him to be a starter, but worse case he will be a 8th/9th inning bullpen arm.

        • paulcatanese

          Interesting? Thats putting it mild. I am getting acustomed to the way of the Cubs. Never a dull moment trying to “catch lightning in a bottle”.
          Roster changes almost daily, and signings of guys I have never heard of before..
          It’s the kind of stuff that makes one come back to the CCO everyday. As I continue to say, “it is what it is”, and not knocking it or condoning it, just reading it every day.

          • Tony_Hall

            Scott Baker
            Scott Feldman
            Kyuji Fujikawa
            Edwin Jackson
            Carlos Villanueva
            Dioner Navarro
            Nate Schierholtz

            Not sure this list is trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Most are who we think they are going to be. I am assuming you are talking about all of the waiver wire pickups they have made since they took over. In case you haven’t noticed, but very few of those waiver wire pick ups are still around. They were trying to catch lightning in a bottle on those pick ups and trying to ever so slightly improve the 40 man roster. They were also buying time and evaluating the organization. But in 13 months or so, they have improved the 40 man roster, and I would say quite a bit. I expect them to continue to improve the 40 man roster every chance they get, whether it is via a trade, FA signing or waiver pick-up.

          • Ripsnorter1

            Let’s see….Team Theo takes over, and the team goes from an 91 loss season to a 101 loss season. Kool-Aid and all, I still think this is a step backwards.

          • Tony_Hall

            So you think the 40 man roster is not as good today, as it was when they took over? You think it has gone backwards?

          • J Daniel

            Come on Rip! The 40 man is much better! Are they going to contend this year? NO! Are they better? YES!

          • Tony_Hall

            And you can’t possibly be saying the minor league system is not better today than when they took over?

            So if the 40 man is better today and the minor league system is better today, then what kool-aid is needed to say we are better off today, then when they took over.

          • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

            It’s not so black and white as to judge simply by more losses. There is a plan and it wasn’t oriented on last year. So many keep judging Theo witjout taking into account the plan. Judge on losses after 2014 at the earliest. If you do otherwise you just don’t get it.

          • Brp921

            I agree with not judging them on wins and losses until after 2014, but I would have been very disappointed if they would not have spent some of the money they had available this year to improve the team and just tanked the season again for draft choices. Last season coudn’t be helped. They didn’t have the payroll and they needed to evaluate the organization, but this year there was no excuse not to. I think they did a real good job. They have made the team better without deviating from their plan.

          • paulcatanese

            Well Rip, Aaron Miles and Zambrano are still available:):):)

      • John_CC

        What about some sort of three way swap that landed Kubel back to the Cubs? I’d rahter a LH slugger for a one year OF than another prospect in D Brown.

        With Soler, Almora, Jackson, Szczur, maybe Lake … the Cubs have quite a stockpile of OF like Brown.

        Kubel’s contract is only through this coming season and his bat would be an upgrade over Soriano’s. Could also be a great flip at the deadline.

        Soriano and $$ to the Phillies, the D-Backs would have to work out who they want from Philly and Kubel to the Cubs.


        • daverj

          In that scenario, why wouldn’t the Phillies just acquire Kubel from the DBacks themselves? Kubel would be better for the Phills than Soriano.

          • Tony_Hall

            They want a RH bat.

          • John_CC

            What Tony said. It’s the reason Soriano is in the discussion to begin with.

          • daverj

            I could be wrong, but I’d guess that while Philly would prefer a right handed power hitter, they would still prefer the left handed Kubel to the right handed Soriano.

          • John_CC

            Well, since I haven’t been involved in any of the discussions with the Philly FO, I’ll just go with what every report and source has said, that the Phillies want a RH, middle of the order bat.

        • TheWrongGuy

          The reason Dominic Brown is a possible target is for several reasons. But first I want to agree with you about the possible trade to the Phil’s. You are correct. Let me break it down to you if I may. Dominic Brown is a player that has a lot of upside. Sori everyone knows exactly what they get from him, as far as production, and we ALL know his contract sucks. Dominic Brown is arbitration eligible 2015 and our future prospect are not even playing full season ball YET. Can Dominic Brown fill in till our prospects come up? … YES… Also I can see a platoon system this year with Campana, Sappelt, DeJesus.

          Thats my 2 cents!!!

    • Shawon O’Meter

      Tony correct me if I’m wrong but I thought from everything I’ve read Anything we get from Fujikawa this year is a plus and he won’t be pitching early. I think we could still use one more arm in the pen or at least have some nice competition for an open spot.

      • Tony_Hall

        You are thinking of Lim.

        There will be competition, as they can always cut someone.

        • Shawon O’Meter

          You’re right. My bad. Thanks Tony!

    • Ripsnorter1

      I’m not sure Travis Wood makes the 25 man out of ST. I bet he’s in Iowa working on his stuff as the season begins, waiting for an injury. He still made 25 starts last year.

      And where is Lenny Castillo? He didn’t even make your bullpen depth chart. Wasted pick?

      I have no confidence in Dolis, and very little in Cabrera. I’d say Dolis has no chance with just one pitch, a sinking fastball.

      • Tony_Hall

        Wood is out of options, so I don’t think he will clear waivers to end up in Iowa.

        Castillo is most likely in AA, and needs to spend more time in the minors. He has 3 option years left, so he can be given the time to develop at the proper level. Not sure how that is a wasted pick, it actually seems pretty smart.

        I am sure glad you don’t make the decisions on these young guys. Come up, as soon as they struggle, you would cut them all.

        • Ripsnorter1

          If they cannot do it at the AAA level, they cannot do it at the ML level. It’s that simple.

          If you have a guy with a 2.00 WHIP in AAA, he’s not going to succeed at the ML level.

          SO yes, I cut ’em when they cannot succeed at the ML level after they have proved that Team Theo shouldn’t have called them up in the first place.

          • Tony_Hall

            Who has a 2.00 WHIP at AAA?

            Castillo has a minor league WHIP of 1.12. He is a young raw arm. He is a converted IF, who only has 3 years of experience pitching. 3 more years with options, could do a lot of good.

          • Ripsnorter1

            I was using that for illustration purposes only. You said I have no patience, and I’d “just cut ’em.” My reponse is that they are not going to supercede their MiL stats.

            Dolis, for example, has 1.465 career WHIP. That’s not ML capable. And he proved it.

            Scott Maine. Raw stuff is great, but control does not exist. WHIP is 1.380 career, and he is too wild to survive in MLB.

            The Cubs frequently bring up MiL pitchers who did not get it done at the AAA level, and then fail at the ML level.

          • Tony_Hall

            Sometimes they can supercede their minor league stats. Sometimes stats are deceiving. Sometimes players “figure it out” and that changes how they move forward. I don’t know if Cabrera will make it as a starter or if Dolis will ever be able to stay in the majors, but I am not writing either off yet, as they have good “stuff” and if they learn how to pitch they can have long productive major league careers.

            As far as the Cubs frequently bringing up Mil pitchers who did not get it done, even at the AAA level, that is a sign of the failures of the development system that was in place. I believe in a few years, when all of the players coming up will have had a few years in the current FO’s player development system, that we will see players more prepared and ready to play at the major league level.

      • SuzyS

        Wood also has a card up his sleeve as the only lefty candidate for the rotation.
        (as of today :) ).

  • SuzyS

    With Lake getting a lot of work at 3rd and OF this winter…and doing well…what are the chances he breaks camp with the parent club out of ST?

    • Tony_Hall

      Near zero. He hasn’t even played at Iowa, and the new regime is going to want him to do that and most likely for 500 AB’s.

  • J Daniel

    Really would like thoughts on what people think the difference is between Dempster and Edwin Jackson? Who has better stuff?

    • Tony_Hall

      Stuff – EJAX

      Who knows how to use their stuff better? – Dempster

      Who would I rather have for the next 4 years?
      E JAX

      • J Daniel

        Agreed, Tony. In my opinion, and it is why I asked the question, EJAX has better stuff and is younger than Dempster. Demp just signed 2 years at 26.5 I believe. EJAX at 4 years, 52. That looks like a pretty good deal and if he finally breaks out then it will be a great deal. Not sure if he will break out but sometimes pitchers “get it” late. We will find out.

    • Brp921

      Jackson has really never had a “career year” and with his stuff you would think he should have a couple of years where he would win 15 to 18 games or more. He’s never been with one team to long either. Maybe with getting some continuity going he can have a couple of good seasons back to back. That’s my hope in signing him anyway. I would agree with Tony’s comment below on the difference between Dempster and him. Dempster’s taken more advantage of his talent than EJ has but I would rather have Jackson over the next four years.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Tony, et al…

    Are the Indians crazy to buy Nick Swisher? How is this going to impact the Cubs?

    • Tony_Hall

      Don’t you have to be to deal with Swisher?

    • Tony_Hall

      4 years $56M…sure makes the deals we have handed out this off-season seem even better.

      Yet , this is the biggest FA contract the Indians have every given out…and it is to Nick Swisher.

      • J Daniel


  • Ripsnorter1

    At least we have–as Bruce Levine called it–five mediocre starters. You can be competitive with that in the NL Central.

    It would be nice to have a real stopper, but that’s not in the cards for now. We need Garza & Baker to come back healthy. We need Samardzija to pitch at least as well as he did in 2012. And with some offense, maybe we could look like this from the rotation:

    Garza–11 wins

    Samardzija–13 wins

    Baker–11 wins

    Jackson–10 wins
    Feldman/Villanueva–10 wins between them (as a starter).

    That’s 55 wins by starters. If your bullpen (and spot starters for double headers, etc) can win 30 games, you have a .500+ ball club, and maybe enough hope for Team Theo to buy some help at the July 31 deadline. The Cubs’ bullpen–that horrible 2012 bullpen–won 18 games in 2012. And that is not counting any spot starters.

  • Ripsnorter1


    Tom Gorzelanny signed with the Brewers. He’s better than some of the pitchers we signed. And remember, we gave him away for nothing. Horrible trade by Jim Hendry.

  • Tony_Hall

    Do you really have nothing else to complain about that then JH trading Gorzelanny, who is now just a reliever?

    JH’s problem with trading Gorzelany was getting 3 prospects back instead of just 1 with more upside.

    But this is really old news.

  • Ray Ray

    13 wins by Shark and 10 wins by Baker are both a stretch.

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    Personally unless we are a legitimate world series contender I don’t want us signing players at the deadline. We should be unloading them for prospects. I’d like to be competitive but not at the expense of a veteran fire sale! We have to keep flipping for prospects. Not giving any up for a few more wins this year.

  • Brp921

    I wouldn’t call it a stretch for Samardziga to win 13 games next year, if he pitches the way he did closing out last year, he could even win more. He does have to proove he can pitch well consistently though.

  • Ray Ray

    He won 9 games last year. This is not a plus 80 win team. Highly unlikely he wins 13.

  • RynoTiger

    so it’s highly unlikely that he could win 4, just 4, more games?…not 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10…but just 4 more games? that’s highly unlikely?….just want to make sure we’re talking about the correct number here that is highly unlikely

  • Ripsnorter1

    Is the bullpen better this year than last?
    Samardzija was shut down early last year. Think they’ll do that again this year?

    Doesn’t look like Brett Jackson and Vitters are going to be up here hitting .116. Will that be an improvement?

    Lastly, I think Ricketts told Team Theo that he didn’t want another 101 loss diaster for 2013. Too hard to sell tickets–even for Cub fans.

  • Ray Ray

    Sure he could win 4 more. Garza could win 4 more. Feldman could win 4 more. Baker could win 4 more than his career high. Barney could hit 4 more homers than last year. Castro could hit 4 more triples than last year. Soriano could hit 4 more homer. Cubs could win 4 more games per month…. Hey, we are World Series bound next year! Thanks Rynocat

  • Cubs4ever

    Agreed. Just like the Sean Marshall trade. Instead of getting back 3 mediocre prospects they should have gotten back a better prospect. I am all about quality over quantity.

  • Ripsnorter1


    It’s real simple: you gave up a ML pitcher, in this case, even a ML starting pitcher, and received no ML players in return. This is a bad trade.

    You think Gorzelanny is a bad pitcher since he’s mainly in the bullpen now? Please consider these facts from 2012:

    1.33 ERA in 27 2nd half bullpen appearances.

    4-2…2.88 era,including his one start in 2012…

    He pitched 2 innings or more in 19 appearances…ie, not just a loogy.

    He has some value. Consider Sean Marshall…

  • daverj

    Do we know that JH had that option? I’m not sure the Nats would have offered 1 “better” prospect instead of the 3 offered. Same with the Marshall deal with the Reds.

  • Tony_Hall

    Sorry, but not the best example.

    Wood could be going down the same career path that Marshall did.

    Sappelt is looking to be a 4th OF.

    Plus they got a young prospect in Torreyes.

    2 of 3 already in the majors. Not quite the throw-ins that never make the majors.

  • John_CC

    Also really old news.

  • J Daniel

    Also, like people say…why do you need a closer on a bad team? Well, why would you need a set up man that is over paid? No problem with that trade at all. Love Marshall but …

  • Cubs4ever

    What? Sorry but you have one of the top lh setup guys in baseball and you are happy with a Travis Wood, a Brandon Guyer type and a 5’7 A ball 2nd baseman. Terrible trade! You needed a starting pitching prospect for Marshall not a bunch of drek!

  • Tony_Hall

    I agree. I didn’t want to lose Marshall. But, and I know this is a big IF, but IF, Wood turns into a good LH bullpen arm, then this return was very good.

  • Tony_Hall

    Name one team, that would or has given up a SP prospect, worth anything for a LH set-up guy.

    They netted a younger version of Marshall, a 4th OF type (major league caliber player, not a throw-in minor league player) and a very good 2B prospect.

    2 players who are already in the majors and a prospect, pretty good return for a LH set-up guy, even Marshall.

  • Brp921

    I liked Sean Marshall a lot but I think it was a good trade. I think if it had been just Wood for Marshall even up I would still think it was an ok trade. When you look at Woods stats, he had a 4.27 ERA, gave up less hits than innings pitched while only walking about two guys per start for a 1.19 WHIP, and even though he seemed a little homerun prone, if you take away the several he gave up when the wind was blowing out a gale, he gave up less than one per start and his ERA dips down almost under four. With his prime years still ahead of him he should get more consistant and if he does I could see him in the middle of a starting rotation. That would make the Cubs the winner in an even swap of the two. when or if he is converted to relief if he has success then we’ve got the same guy five years younger with a fourth outfielder, if not better, and a decent prospect. I grant you Wood could still have a setback but until he does, let’s give him a chance.

  • Tony_Hall

    I didn’t say he was a bad pitcher, but jeeeeeez, this is old news.

  • Cubs4ever

    So you think Theo made a good trade for Marshall? Do you not understand the value of top lh setup men? What do you think the Giants could get for Aafeldt? What could the Tigers get for Phil Coke? Where would those 2 teams be without them?

  • Tony_Hall

    Let’s see what they get, if they get traded.

    I believe I do understand the value of a LH set-up guys, do you? Can you give an actual example of any team getting a good SP prospect, like you said, for a LH set-up guy?

  • John_CC

    Samadrzija Lost 7 games last year in which he went at least 5 innings and gave up 3 or less ER. He had another 6 no decisions in which he went at least 5 innings and gave up 2 or fewer ER.

    13 games that he kept his team in the game yet they either couldn’t score more than 2 or 3 runs, or the bullpen blew it. Thinking that an improved offense and bullpen, plus and improved personal performance from Shark can’t equal 4 more wins is stubborn.

  • Ray Ray

    I agree it is possible but unlikely. You can use your argument with almost every starter in baseball.

  • Brp921

    Wow. I hadn’t even considered those stats. Thinking of his season that way, with a couple of breaks last year, he could have been close, if not a fifteen game winner, on a hundred loss team in a short season. Let’s hope he can keep it up!

  • Cubs4ever

    The Giants don’t win the WS without Aafeldt. The Tigers do not get there without Coke. Dominant late inning LH are very rarely available via trade. If you think the Cubs maximized Marshall’s value so be it but I bet Theo would take that trade back if he could.

  • Tony_Hall

    They don’t win or get there without a lot of players.

    Trade value is trade value.

    I am going to take your inability to provide any examples as you can’t find any to provide examples.

    But I will you an example of one where a team traded a LH set-up guy, one that could be considered one of the best lefty set-up guys. The team received a young LH SP pitcher who had some success at the major league level and could always be converted to a bullpen arm, basically replacing the LH set-up guy they traded. But this team also received a young 2B prospect who hits for a very high average and a OF who can be a good 4th OF. So you see there is an example of a team trading a good LH set-up guy and receiving a SP prospect and 2 more players, one who is already in the majors and the other still a good 2B prospect. It was the Cubs deal.

  • Cubs4ever

    Haha! You are hilarious. One thing we can agree on is that we want the Cubs to win. The difference is that I think it could happen sooner IF better moves are made!

  • Tony_Hall

    IF you can’t even find a trade that has happened, what makes you think they could have gotten more. Trades are not done on a blog or versus yourself trying to make a “fair” deal. They are done through negotiations, where both sides want to give up as little as they can to get as much as they can in return. To think that they could have gotten more than they got, because you think LH set-up guys are more valuable, doesn’t mean that any team was offering more than the Reds…or they would have accepted that offer. They didn’t call up the Reds and just get the most they could from the Reds. They talked to every team to see who had interest in dealing for all of their players and proceeded from there.

    I think we could win a lot sooner if other teams would just give us their best players, but it just doesn’t work that way.

  • John_CC

    Yes, the bullpen is already better than last year.

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider


  • Tony_Hall

    Correct. The thing with the 3 prospects in the Gorzellany deal, was they wasn’t much upside with anyone but Burgess. And even that was slim.

  • John_CC

    No, not every starter in baseball. If you’d said very decent starter, i.e. middle rotation or better, then I would agree. So what’s your point? It is possible.

  • Brp921

    Oh, and I forgot to mention that he also averaged an even six innings per game, which tends to help a bullpen stay healthy.