From the Wire … Reported Deal Between Cubs and Angels for Marmol and Haren is Off

Updated 9:41pm CDTAccording to multiple reports, the deal that would have sent Carlos Marmol to the Angels for Dan Haren is now off. Several reports have indicated that the deal might not be 100 percent dead but it is highly unlikely at this point the trade will go through.

According to Bruce Levine, Carlos Marmol waived his no-trade clause and thought he had been traded. The Cubs pulled the deal off the table according to Ken Rosenthal.
Updated 9:41pm CDT – David Kaplan reported that there were too many hangups between the two teams to get a deal done.
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Original report
According to multiple reports, the Cubs have traded Carlos Marmol to the Los Angeles Angels for Dan Haren.

The Chicago media and the media in Los Angeles are reporting the deal is all but official. Neither team has confirmed the deal, the money involved or if other players are included in the deal.

Updated 7:10pm CDTAccording to David Kaplan, the deal between the Cubs and Angels is not done. Discussions are progressing and financials are being worked out.

Updated 8:36pm CDT - According to reports from Ken Rosenthal and David Kaplan, the deal between the Cubs and Angels is not done. The Angels continue to talk to other teams. The Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade clause and whether he would agree to a trade to the Angels according to Ken Rosenthal. The deal is still possible but Marmol appears to have leaked the trade before it was done. Kaplan is reporting that financials and medicals are being looked at.

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the deal could be in Marmol’s hands at this point. If Carlos Marmol agrees to be traded to the Angels that Dan Haren will go to the Cubs.

Dan Haren is owed $15.5 million on the final year of the four-year, $44.75 million deal that included a club option that he signed in 2008. The final year of the contract is a club option that includes a $3.5 million buyout. Multiple reports indicated that Haren would be traded prior to the Angels deadline of 5:00pm PT to pick-up his option.

Carlos Marmol has confirmed the trade in the Dominican Republic. Marmol is on the final year of the three-year, $20 million contract he signed in February of 2011. Marmol is owed $9.8 million for the 2013 season.

According to one report, Carlos Marmol had to waive his no-trade clause in order for this deal to go through.

Stay Tuned … Will update once the deal is official.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trevor-Petersma/565104388 Trevor Petersma

    I like it. So who closes now?

  • Ripken Boy

    Wow, great trade. Rotation is pretty good now. Wonder who closes now???

  • Gary J

    There’s one SP… 2 to go. Love this deal.

    • Tony_Hall

      I love this trade. Especially if the Angels are sending $3.5M to Chicago since that was what they would have paid to release Haren.

  • clyder

    Neither player figures to be with the Cubs when they are serious contenders in 2015. Haren will bring nice prospect(s) at the trade deadline. I like Carlos and will miss him but this is a very good deal! :)

  • Tony_Hall

    There sure are a lot of relief pitchers to sort through, but I have to believe that Theo and Jed already have a list of guys they think they can get for less than closer money, and give them their opportunity to close. It could also be a former closer looking to close again.

  • Brp921

    Kind of a risky deal. Haren is not so young anymore and coming off a year where he couldn’t log as many innings as he’s been accustomed to. Marmol hasn’t been as consistent as we’d like but I’ll bet he’s got a lot more left in his tank than Haren does. I guess I wouldn’t call the trade all that bad. I just don’t see where it helps the Cubs that much. We need starters for sure, but we need starters who can remain healthy. I hope I’m wrong but I see a guy on the DL most of the year next year in Haren.

    • Tony_Hall

      He has been a workhorse for years.

      2012 – 176 IP His lowest since 2004 – 30 Starts
      2011 – 238 IP
      2010 – 235 IP
      2009 – 229 IP
      2008 – 216 IP
      2007 – 222 IP
      2006 – 223 IP
      2005 – 217 IP

      Pitching in the NL should help extend his career a little longer.

      • Brp921

        He has been a workhorse for sure. If he can be what he has been or close he will definately help. I just am not confident that he can keep it up. He’s getting some years on him and coming off a year where he had back issues. Marmol is not a part of the future of the Cubs though, so it is not a monumental mistake if it doesn’t work out, and if Haren returns to his old form it’s a definate win for the Cubs.

        • cubs1967

          dempster with an ERA below 2 got us a fringe P prospect at best and a 3b, small in stature better suited for 2b, which per jed is a loaded position with GG barney, MILB POY watkins, bruno, torreyes(??), and devoss(JH) when we already have baez and lake and haren is gonna get us what? assuming he rebounds from his worst year in xFIP, homers, H per IP, ERA, WAR(more than half of any other full year) and back & shoulder issues so he pitched less than 200 IP………….and we already have to worry about garza being healthy and now the by far worst pen in baseball……..by miles. (and no madson or soriano or soria aren’t gonna come to wrigley when the reds-tigers-to name a few contenders are gonna need closers).
          WOW…….in the tradition of marshall-stewart-demp, team theo keeps getting trades wrong plus haren will cost 5.5M more than marmol.(but hey tommyboy can proclaim the payroll will reach 100M again………or at least till july 31st).

          104 yrs and counting…….

          • RynoTiger

            i think you’re putting too much vinegar on your Subway sandwiches.

          • cubs1967

            the facts suck don’t they.
            105 yrs and counting….

          • cubs1967

            whoops–gotta love the internet connection AT&T provides; this was entered only once.
            sorry about the multiple hits, but the facts are the facts. we are better off with marmol; bosio had him in a good rhythm, hopefully will carry over in ST and he can be moved at deadline.

          • cubs1967

            the facts suck don’t they.
            105 yrs and counting….

          • Ripsnorter1

            Dan Haren did not have a great 2012. Maybe next year will be better….

            RHB hit .320 off of him….and he’s a RHP, too.They slugged an All-Star-like .482 and the OPS was a nice .825, with a .343 OBP.
            Okay, he struggled mightily vs RHB.

            LHB was better: .234 BA, .446 slug, and .734 OBP.

            He can bounce back…maybe. Certainly Marmol was not loved by Team Theo. I think Marmol will shine elsewhere. Probably he needs to go to the Yanks.

          • cubs1967

            the facts suck don’t they.
            105 yrs and counting….

          • Cubtex

            Be careful 1967. The Blind followers will complain to Neil and he will block you from this site like he did to me. Go somewhere else. cco……can’t criticize organization

          • RynoTiger

            Be careful Cubtex, some bitter followers expect Theo to be God and Jed to be Jesus

          • cubs1967

            gotta love you defending a team with 101 losses.
            i bet you think OJ, George Ryan and Blago are all innocent too.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Why does working in the NL mean that will extend his career? Do you mean to imply that he’ll be lifted for a pinch hitter sooner?

        • Tony_Hall

          Most AL pitchers moving to the NL have a “resurgence” to their careers. But getting lifted for a pinch hitter also reduces innings and pitch counts in games, which can also help extend their career.

          And by career I mean, good years being extended. He could pitch for many more years at the back of a rotation even with lesser stuff than he had in his prime years.

  • Aaron

    lol………pure Cubbery. This is why I couldn’t stand Hendry with all these unnecessary trade clauses. If playing for the Cubs is a dream come true for so many guys like Dempster, ARAM, Lee and now Marmol…why’d they need the NTC? (the former 3 all blocked favorable deals for the team….hmmmmmm

    • Tony_Hall

      I don’t think anyone is blocking the trade with a NTC, but sounds like Marmol spoke that he was traded when the trade wasn’t finalized.

    • J Daniel

      Aaron, you are correct, sir! Quite comical. Deal would be done before players leak the info?

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        The Angels declined the option on Dan Haren.

      • Aaron

        You hit it on the nose. If NTC weren’t involved in either Dempster or Marmol’s cases (Marmol’s I didn’t even know about until tonight anyway), we’d have Delgado and Haren in the fold already. We would have received more for Lee, and certainly would have received good players for ARAM, but alas, the prior regime was handcuffed by its own doing, and we are extremely lucky they are gone.

        • J Daniel

          These are additional reasons the whole system is/was a disaster needing a major overhaul. Regardless of what people think of Team Theo, it has hampered or delayed the overhaul.

          You are correct to say the return that would have been brought in deals for Demp, Lee, Aram, and now Marmol would have helped build the overall quality of the club. They are almost out of all of the mess – with the exception they are now talent deficient. It is going to take several more GREAT drafts to get this thing rolling. And that is assuming they draft well.

          A deal for Haren may or may not be good but hopefully these NTC go away which allow the front office to make whatever trades possible.

          Soriano would have been dealt to the Giants as well . . .

          It is going to be an interesting hot stove. I do expect Marmol to be moved, just to bad he couldn’t have been moved at peak value, but they have to and will move him leaving only Sori left.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cesar.charles.16 Cesar Charles

    Deals dead……Cubs pulled out, even after marmol said he would be willing to waive his “no trade” clause

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    According to multiple reports, the deal between the Cubs and Angels is now off.

  • Dorasaga

    Haren has been a stud, but I’m suspecting his recent DL stint means a bigger injury risk from now on-wards.

  • Aaron

    I still think something is in the works…..Team Theo talked up Cashner, Colvin, Dempster, and even Soto before they were all dealt. And prior to Garza being injured, they were talking him up, as they were set to trade him as well. Right before this thing with Marmol almost went down, they were talking him up too. I highly doubt they go with him as closer next year. If you read between the lines with their comments, it’s quite clear they do not value him all that much, and they don’t see the point in paying a closer $10 million when the team is likely headed for another 100 loss season.

    I said the other day I could see why the Angels might want Marmol, but I didn’t see why the Cubs would want Haren over someone like Josh Johnson, where they incidentally could also use Marmol in a trade with them since they need a closer now after dealing the ineffective Bell away.

    I would rather take my chance with Haren on a lesser FA deal. (highly doubtful he signs on with a losing team though), and make a run at Johnson, because Johnson is younger, more effective, throws harder, and has a better potential of bringing in top prospects come the trade deadline.

    • SuzyS

      Aaron, It’s a pretty sure bet at this time of the year there is “something in the works”.
      We now know for sure that Marmol, as a trade chip, is in play. It would be interesting to see what the actual deal was supposed to be…and what the hang-ups were…ie salary going back and forth….medical info etc.
      I agree about Johnson…but it has been the Angels that have had interest in Marmol all along…It will be interesting to see if something else develops along those lines.

      We’ve now had 2 “deals” that were happening and seemed like sure things fall through at the last second. I hope this doesn’t become a pattern or m/o of the new regime…aka the Hendry m/o of projecting /targeting one specific FA without the flexibility to adjust on the fly.

      • Tony_Hall

        I am not sure if this is the MO of the new regime, as much as a result of the instant access to information. Players talk to the public, by just grabbing their phone and posting on twitter. They also call or text their friends and have reporters who they communicate with now so easily. That is a problem when players, FO staff, etc, talk before things are finalized. Of course none of this would be a problem, if you didn’t need to get a players permission to trade them and only told them when it was done.

      • Tony_Hall

        I am not sure if this is the MO of the new regime, as much as a result of the instant access to information. Players talk to the public, by just grabbing their phone and posting on twitter. They also call or text their friends and have reporters who they communicate with now so easily. That is a problem when players, FO staff, etc, talk before things are finalized. Of course none of this would be a problem, if you didn’t need to get a players permission to trade them and only told them when it was done.

        • J Daniel

          Tony,

          Posted that last night … no more NTC … deals will be announced when they are done … unless a dumb GM or asst. GM say something to someone before it is FINAL.

          The HOT STOVE season is very interesting.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Updated 8:36pm CDT – According to reports from Ken Rosenthal and David Kaplan, the deal between the Cubs and Angels is not done. The Angels continue to talk to other teams. The Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his
    no-trade clause and whether he would agree to a trade to the Angels according to Ken Rosenthal. The deal is still possible but Marmol appears to have leaked the trade before it was done. Kaplan is reporting that financials and medicals
    are being looked at.

    Rosenthal is reporting that the deal could be in Marmol’s
    hands at this point. If Marmol agrees to be traded to the Angels that Dan Haren will go to the Cubs.