Cubs Shutout in San Diego – Cubs 0, Padres 2

Game One Hundred Seven – Cubs 0, Padres 2
WP – Eric Stults (2-2) LP – Travis Wood (4-8) Save – Huston Street (19)

The Cubs’ skid reached six games Monday night in San Diego. Travis Wood kept his team in the game but the offense was non-existent for the third time in the first four games on the road trip. The Cubs have scored eight runs (six on Sunday) over the last four games.

The Cubs managed only five hits, two walks and put two runners on base at the same time twice (first and sixth innings) on the night. Welington Castillo (2-for-4) and Alfonso Soriano (1-for-3 with a walk and a stolen base) reached base twice but the “kids” had a rough night. Anthony Rizzo (0-for-4), Josh Vitters (0-for-4 with four left on base) and Brett Jackson (0-for-4 with four strikeouts) went hitless while Starlin Castro (0-for-3 with a walk and a stolen base) continued his slump. Jackson earned his first golden sombrero but did see 24 pitches in his four at bats.

The Cubs had a chance to tie the game in the sixth. After Alfonso Soriano singled, Starlin Castro walked and a double steal put runners on second and third with two down, Josh Vitters grounded out to second to end the inning. The Cubs did not put a runner on base after the sixth inning and finished the game 0-for-4 with runners in scoring position and left seven runners on base.

Travis Wood notched a quality start despite struggling with his command early in the game. The Cubs’ defense picked him up several times with the two runs he allowed scoring on four hits (two doubles) in the fourth inning. Wood allowed two runs on five hits with three walks and three strikeouts in six innings. Wood threw 96 pitches, only 52 for strikes, and lost his fifth straight start.

Manny Corpas tossed a scoreless seventh and Carlos Marmol put together a perfect eighth. Marmol needed only 10 pitches to record three outs.

While the “kids” did not hit, they were solid in the field. Josh Vitters made an excellent diving stop to take away extra bases from Cameron Maybin in the sixth.

With Monday’s loss, the Cubs dropped to 43-64 on the season …

Brett Jackson struck out swinging (2-2 count, seventh pitch) to start the game. Darwin Barney fell behind 0-2 then pulled a 3-2 pitch off the base of the wall in left. Barney ended up at second with a one-out double. Anthony Rizzo grounded out to second (0-2 pitch). Alfonso Soriano walked and runners were on first and third with two down for Starlin Castro. Castro struck out swinging (1-2 pitch) to end the inning. Eric Stults threw 28 pitches in the first, 18 for strikes.

The Cubs defense helped bail Travis Wood out of a shaky first inning. Wood threw 16 pitches in the opening frame, only six in the strike zone. Wood walked Chris Denorfia to begin his outing then fell behind Logan Forsythe 2-0. Forsythe hit a liner to the left of Castro. Castro snared and threw to Rizzo to double off Denorfia. Chase Headley pulled a 2-0 pitch past a diving Josh Vitters into left. Wood’s first pitch to Carlos Quentin got away from Welington Castillo. Headley advanced to second but was stranded when Quentin smashed a 2-0 pitch toward Barney in the shift. Darwin Barney knocked the ball down and threw out Quentin to end the inning.

Welington Castillo ripped a 1-1 pitch into left to start the second. Josh Vitters struck out swinging (1-2 pitch) and Joe Mather flied out to left center. Travis Wood fouled out to Yonder Alonso for the third out. Stults needed 41 pitches, 28 strikes, to get through two innings.

Travis Wood set down the side in order in the second. Wood threw 30 pitches in the first two innings, 13 for strikes.

Brett Jackson struck out swinging (3-2 count, seventh pitch) to begin the third. Stults needed only nine pitches to record three outs in the third after Barney flied out to right center on the first pitch and Anthony Rizzo flied out to deep center on the first pitch to end the frame … 50 pitches for Stults after three, 34 for strikes.

Travis Wood jumped ahead of Eddy Rodriguez 1-2 but lost him and issued his second free pass of the night to start the third. Eric Stults bunted Wood’s first offering up the third baseline. Josh Vitters made an ill-advised play. Vitters had plenty of time but still picked the ball up with his barehand. Vitters got the out and that’s all that matters. Denorfia grounded out to second; Rodriguez advanced to third but was stranded when Forsythe flied out to right. Wood threw 48 pitches, 24 for strikes, in three innings of work.

Alfonso Soriano (flyout to center) and Starlin Castro (pop out to shallow right) made two quick, routine outs to begin the fourth. Welington Castillo ripped a 0-2 pitch into center for a two-out single but Josh Vitters flied out to right (1-0 pitch) to end the inning. Stults threw 60 pitches, 41 for strikes, over four innings.

The Padres finally got to Wood in the fourth. Wood continued struggling and the Padres teed off the second time through the lineup. Chase Headley grounded out to short (0-2 pitch) to begin the fourth. Carlos Quentin drove a 1-0 pitch to deep right center. Quentin ended up a second with a one-out double. Yonder Alonso ripped Wood’s first pitch into center. Brett Jackson charged the ball and made a strong throw toward the plate. Rizzo cut the ball off and Quentin scored the first run of the game. Wood jumped ahead of Cameron Maybin 0-2 but could not put him away. Maybin launched a 3-2 pitch to the corner in left. Alonso held at third on Maybin’s one-out double.

With runners on second and third and only one out, Sveum brought his infield in. Everth Cabrera hit a 1-1 pitch back up the middle just out of the reach Wood and a diving Darwin Barney. Alonso scored, 2-0 Padres. Wood struck out Eddy Rodriquez swinging for the second out. With runners on first and third with two outs, Eric Stults popped out to third to end the inning. The Padres scored two runs on four hits in the fourth … and Travis Wood threw 75 pitches, 45 for strikes, over the first four innings.

Travis Wood reached on a one-out single to center in the fifth. After Brett Jackson struck out swinging on three pitches, Darwin Barney lined out to third on Stults’ 69th pitch of the night (49 for strikes) to end the inning.

Travis Wood retired the side in order in the fifth … 85 pitches for Wood after five, 49 for strikes.

After five, the Cubs trailed 2-0.

Anthony Rizzo grounded out to first (1-2 pitch) to begin the sixth. Alfonso Soriano hit a sinking liner into right on Stults’ first pitch. The ball fell in front of Denorfia for the Cubs’ fifth hit. Eric Stults’ 1-0 offering to Castro was in the dirt. Soriano read the play perfectly and advanced to second on the wild pitch. Castro took ball four and Bud Black went to his pen for right-hander Brad Brach.

With runners on first and second and one down, Welington Castillo popped out to Logan Forsythe in shallow right for the second out. Alfonso Soriano and Starlin Castro pulled off a double steal on a 2-0 offering to Vitters. Brach missed and Vitters was ahead 3-0. With the tying runs in scoring position, Josh Vitters grounded out to second (3-2 pitch) to end the inning.

Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters made the plays behind Travis Wood in the sixth. Wood issued a four-pitch walk to Carlos Quentin to start the sixth. Yonder Alonso hit a deep fly to center that Jackson hauled in for the first out. Wood fell behind Maybin 2-0 before the Padres’ centerfielder hit a chopper down the third baseline. Josh Vitters dove toward the line, caught the ball, got to his feet quickly and made a strong throw to Rizzo just ahead of the speedy Maybin. Everth Cabrera flied out to Jackson in center for the third out.

The Cubs did nothing against Dale Thayer in the seventh … Brett Jackson struck out swinging on the seventh pitch of the at bat (3-2 pitch) to end the inning.

Manny Corpas caught Eddy Rodriguez looking for the first out of the seventh inning. Alexi Amarista hit for Thayer and launched a 0-1 pitch over Jackson’s head in center. The ball hit on the track and hopped over the wall for a ground rule double. Denorfia grounded out to first, Amarista advanced to third but Forsythe flied out to deep left center for the third out.

The Cubs did nothing against Luke Gregerson in the eighth.

Carlos Marmol set down the side in order in the eighth on 10 pitches, six for strikes.

The Cubs did nothing against Huston Street in the ninth … and allowed the Padres’ closer to throw only nine pitches to close out the game.

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Brooks Raley is scheduled to make his big league debut against Ross Ohlendorf on Tuesday night.

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  • Tony_Hall

    Seeing the talk about Lendy Castillo’s AA outing. Expect to see him in the bullpen after 1 more start, or you never know in the rotation if starters keep going down. He started his rehab on July 11th, and pitching rehabs can only go 30 days.

    • Aaron

      I hope he’s in the rotation, because that’s where he was last year in the Phillies’ system, and had good results, as well as a few starts this year on his rehab assignment. With Marmol, Russell, Beliveau, Maine (who likely punched his ticket to Iowa with his wildness), Camp, Cabrera, and Corpas, there doesn’t appear to be any room for him….and you even have Dolis at AAA and Parker on rehab assignment as well. Someone needs to be traded, and I hope it’s Camp or Corpas, and they get whatever they can for those guys before they show their warts even more where both have struggled a lot of late.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Camp and Corpas….yeah, the warts are showing. They have been lucky before the warts pepped out. I was watching Corpas pitch to Konerko. Konerko was still sporting a black eye via Samardzija’s wildness. Corpas threw him a hanging slider–a real cookie–right down the middle of the plate, and Konerko fouled it off. Hawk said, “He missed that cookie! How did he do that? Corpas got lucky.”

        Lately, the luck has run out.

      • paulcatanese

        Trying to find something positive, Old Man River just keeps rolling along. Another stolen base last night, he may catch Campana, Soriono just continues to amaze.
        And Rizzo will pass LaHair in home runs, even with a late start.
        Pitching was not all that bad, 2 runs should be enough to win a
        game.

    • BosephHeyden

      I’d like to see Castillo come back up as a starter for the sole reason that I’m sick of seeing the Cubs convert starter prospects into pen guys.

  • cubtex

    Lets compare Matt Garza to Zach Greinke. Greinke is a free agent next year while Garza is in 2013. Greinke is talked about as this stud #1. I don’t believe he is anymore just like I don’t think Garza is either…but both are very good #2′s. Greinke had 1 great year and some solid ones.

    2012

    Greinke 137 IP 137 Hits 134 K’s 3.61 ERA and a 1.226 WHIP

    Garza 103 IP 90 Hits 96 K’s 3.91 ERA and a 1.177 WHIP

    2011

    Greinke had a 3.83 ERA

    Garza had a 3.32 ERA

    You have to look at the sorry a## team that Garza is pitching for. He is a solid top of the rotation starter. I was for trading him for the right mix of prospects but now with his stress reaction he probably won’t be dealt this offseason…. lock him up now. Where else is this team going to get a pitcher who puts up these type of numbers and is as competitive? So what he is not an ace. If someone has an idea on how they will find better pitching than Garza for the next couple of years…..I would like to hear it.

  • paulcatanese

    Kind of like to know what is happening with the Cubs pitchers, including from the minors up to the Cubs.
    I just cant understand the constant physical problems they have.
    Is it mechanics are not being taught properly? Or is it just that the Cubs make poor choices on who they bring in. At any rate, it seems that they are having more problems keeping any kind of staff healthy for any length of time.
    And this is not an overnight happening, it goes back a few years.
    Aaron explained the age process and the years pitchers are at their best, and I agree with that, but something else must be happening to cause the injuries that are occurring on a regular basis.
    Also, is this happening to just the Cubs at the rate it is, or is it overall?

  • daverj

    Valbuena starting over Vitters makes no sense. Vitters should either be at AAA or in the major league line-up everyday.

    • cubtex

      Exactly! WTF is Sveum doing? Let the kid play a couple of games in a row.

      • Aaron

        Furthermore, if they really want to do a platoon at 3B with Vitters only going against lefties, I’d much rather see Cardenas—whom Rizzo called the best hitter on the Iowa roster—at 3B instead of Valbuena.

        At least Cardenas makes good contact, which is something that can’t be said for Valbuena.

        • cubtex

          They are facing Ohlendorf tonight. It is not like he is this dominant righthander. His last start on 8/2 he only lasted 1.2 and gave up 6 runs. This is the type of pitcher that Vitters can gain some confidence from.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Accuscore says the Cubs have a 52% chance to win tonight, even though an untested rookie is starting the game. Olheldorf is just not that good! LOL

          There’s nothing like a pitcher with a 6.27 ERA to help ignite an offense hitting .173 in its last 7 games.

    • paulcatanese

      You wont get an argument from me on that one.They need to play, every day. Nothing but bad things happen when sitting on the bench for any length of time. especially confidence.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Matt Garza and Yu Darvish…..

    Not much in common. Except that Garza wants the big pile of dough similar to that Yu Darvish got from Texas: $100 million.

    For that $100 million Texas is receiving a #5 starting pitcher. HE got lit up last night for 8 doubles in 6.2 IP, along with 4 BB and 3 singles. Left handed batters are pounding his fastball. When the last pitch of an AB vs LHB is a fastball, the slash line looks like this: .376 BA/.496 OBP/.613 slugging. RHB are doing okay, too: .275 BA/.404 OBP/.488 slugging.

    As a result, Yu has now become a nibbler, and is walking a whole lot more batters. He has walked 4 or more in 10 of 21 starts, and is #3 in MLB with 74 BB allowed. His 1.46 WHIP tells you that he’s not pitching like a #1 or even a #4 starter.

    Meanwhile Garza’s elbow is hurting. Last year he hurt his elbow and went on the DL after changing his pitching style from throw 30% breaking pitches to 60% breaking pitches. If lowered his HRs allowed, but stressed the elbow. This year he has returned to the 30% breaking pitch ratio, and his HRs allowed has returned to his previous levels. Last year he allowed just 14 HRs all year (31 starts). This year he has given up 15 taters in just over half a season (18 starts). This is on a par with his career averages.

    Here’s wishing for his speedy recovery to health and effectiveness.

  • Tony_Hall

    I am still in the extend Garza camp, if no team will overpay for him, and so far no team has been willing to overpay…that’s why he is still here. If our farm system was loaded with pitchers and needed hitters, then trade him for the best offer, but since we need arms, I still say extend him.

  • GaryLeeT

    I am with you on the Garza, bot not on your Darvish take. He’s a rookie who didn’t pitch in the MLB system until this year, just turned 26, and still has way more KO’s than innings pitched. I would have had no problem with the Cubs if they had ponied up the money for him, even knowing he might struggle a little at first. When is that kind of potential going to come along once, let alone the three times the Cubs need it to happen?

  • Aaron

    I would’ve bid on Darvish if the total agreement (including posting) was around $15 million/year, but at nearly $20 million/year it’s pretty outrageous.

    I think you hit it on the nose below when you said the starting every 5th day (4 day’s rest) has had a negative effect on him

  • Ripsnorter1

    I completely agree with you.

    Let’s just don’t pay $100 million for him. :)

  • GaryLeeT

    Agreed. He’s just sitting around the house doing nothing anyway. It’s the perfect time to use his injury as leverage, and hammer out an extension.

  • Tony_Hall

    We need to stop agreeing on things so often…

  • Ripsnorter1

    Everything I write in the post is meant to be in a most friendly manner.

    Darvish does have more K’s (154) than IP (134). That’s excellent.

    I didn’t throw this in on Darvish…let’s see if it changes your mind any or not at all…. :) ……

    Texas paid $57 million for the bidding rights, and then $60 million to sign him. That’s $20 million per to have him around. Hmmmm. That would buy a sure thing ML pitcher, say…Doc Halladay or some big gun…maybe three lesser lights…or for me, an entire rotation. YES! I could buy a playoff winning 5 man pitching staff for that kind of dough.

    In Japan, Darvish started once a week or less. That’s six days’ rest between starts. But here, he’s going every fifth day–four days’ rest. He got 28 starts in Japan and walked only 36 in 2011, 232 IP with–get this—0.828 WHIP. Now, with less rest for the first time in his career, his WHIP is a most lovely 1.46. 74 walks in 134 IP. ERA stinks; 4.57.

    And again, he’s gone to nibbling since ML hitters are lighting up his fastball.

    I don’t want him for that kind of money. I don’t want DiceK. Ole’ DiceK had one–read: ONE–good year. He went 18-3 with a 2.90 for Boston in 2008. Here’s the rest of the story…

    2007…15-12..4.40 ERA What’s so great about that? Paul Maholm could do that for less dough.

    2008…18-3…2.90 excellent year. No question about it.

    2009…4-6…5.76 Awful.

    2010..9-6…4.69 That’s Travis Wood at his best.

    2011…3-3…5.30….awful.

    2012….0-3 …6.65…this is Casey Coleman.

    It cost $51.12 Million just for the bidding rights for this loser. Then Boras netted him $52 million to play. $103 million for 6 yrs.

    Nope.

    By the way, who signed DiceK? Some guy named Theo Epstein.

    Yu Darvish will follow the same career path, I think. MLB hitters will adjust, and they’ll tatoo his hide…..you watch…. : )

  • Aaron

    Agreed, but it’ll never happen, unfortunately, because he’s arbitration eligible. The Cubs would likely try to sign him for 5 yrs, $55-60 million, while both he and his agent are seeking 5 yrs, $75-90 million, depending on if you believe the reports.

    What a lot of fans don’t realize is that the optimum age to have a pitcher is from about 25-29, and 31-35. Why? Typically a pitcher will have TJ surgery prior to age 25 in some cases, and if not, you’ll see a few veterans have it around 28-30. I am going to try to find the URL where I got that original information a few years ago, and will post later today if I find it.

    But the reason why you have those targets, is pitchers typically will reach the big leagues at 25 years old…or if they reach it earlier, they have an adjustment period anyhow, so that’s where the 25 comes into play. I could be off plus or minus 1 year or so, but I believe those were the ages I remember. Then, a team will have a pitcher under control for about 5-6 years, hence the 25-29. At that point, they start getting expensive in arbitration, so you have to figure out if they’re in your long-term plans.

    And even if you do place them in your long-term plans, you need to understand that arm problems and other pulled muscles start creeping in from 29-31 if you look at it from a historical perspective…then mostly power pitchers in this case will figure out how to get by on less velocity, etc., until more physical issues start creeping in after age 35.

    If a pitcher starts coming into his own at 25 years old, then he’s likely pushing 200 IP/year. Do you really want that type of mileage on a 29-30 year old when he’s set to hit free agency? I would rather bid on a pitcher in the 28-30 years old range that had elbow issues early on in his career (along with very minor shoulder issues, as long as scans show up well) and never reached 200 IP consistently, than a player that consistently reaches 200 IP.

    In other words, I would rather bid on Liriano, A. Sanchez, and McCarthy versus Garza. All 3 have POTENTIALLY (notice, I have that disclaimer) gotten their elbow/shoulder issues out of the way, and all 3 haven’t consistently pitched at or near 200 IP per year, which means they have plenty of mileage left in their arms….at least in my opinion.

    Garza’s IP totals are:
    50
    83
    184
    203
    204
    198
    103 (and was on track for about 200 this year)

    Would you rather have a guy that typically pitches in the 3.84 ERA range and above and 200 IP, or a guy like Anibal Sanchez that pitches around 3.76 ERA and below 200 IP

    I wished they would’ve seen all of the guys hitting free agency with less miles on their arm, and just cut ties with Garza, letting him go to the highest bidder, but now what we’re looking at is this:

    -Garza likely to miss rest of the season
    -Garza likely to get a slight raise to about $10-11 million in arbitration
    -if Garza is traded in the offseason, a team has chance to receive draft pick if he leaves in FA
    -potential acquiring teams will be looking at two things:
    1) will he pitch the rest of the year, and if so, how effectively?
    2) will he pitch in Spring Training, and how effectively?
    ***both questions will have a bearing on what the Cubs might receive in a trade
    -If the Jays, Braves, Tigers, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, etc. were offering a decent package to begin with, then he would’ve already been traded. Given that, it’s hard to imagine the same teams being willing to part with the same or better package after this injury news.

    …..which is why you saw Hoyer come out and basically admit that Garza will be with the team the rest of the year.

    Now, instead of requiring 2-3 top prospects, the best return Hoyer and Epstein can look toward is what the Marlins received for Anibal Sanchez AND Omar Infante with their top catching prospect Brantly, top pitching prospect Turner, and a mid-level prospect.

    In other words, what the Cubs would have to do is include someone like Barney just to get a similar return. It’s also important to keep in mind that the top prospect designations are all relative to the strength of a team’s farm system to begin with. Brantly and Turner might be considered mid-level prospects in a strong Ranger’s system. Guys like Syndergaard, D’Arnaud, Aaron Sanchez, etc. are now likely out of play.

    If a Barney/Garza package could only net a Tuner/Brantly return, then I’d rather just hang onto him and receive a draft pick, and attempt to deal Barney by himself to see if you can get a decent return.

  • Scott

    I’m not disagreeing with you, but how could you buy a playoff winning 5 man starting staff for 20 million? To actually guy them, you have to have people that will be, or have been, free agents. It would be great to just say, look, Vogelsong (5M), Jordan Zimmerman (2.3M), David Price (4.3M), Chris Sale (500K) and R.A. Dickey (4.25M) are only 16.35M! But it just doesn’t work that way. Show me how you can actually buy a playoff winning staff for 20M. Just curious.

  • Baron_S

    Keep in Mind Rip,

    These ERA Stats can be misleading. The NL Central is like a AAA hitting league compared to the AL East.

    AJ Burnett went from universal BUM in NY to CY Young candidate in less than a year for Pittsburgh.
    CC Sabathia who had an ERA in the 1s for Milwaukee has been in the mid 3s for the Yanks for most of his time there.

  • GaryLeeT

    You said, “Everything I write in the post is meant to be in a most friendly manner.”

    I don’t understand. That wasn’t directed at me was it?

  • Ripsnorter1

    Maholm…$4.5 million…
    Edwin Jackson…$5 million
    Brandon McCarthy…$3.2 million
    Barto Colon…$2 million (makes a nice 5th starter for that).
    Ben Sheets..ML minimum

    Plus you’d have SOMEBODY on your staff…say a Jeff Samardzija, or Wood or someone.

    All you need to 3 10-13 game winners, and two 15-18 game winners, and you are there.

  • Ripsnorter1

    True. But Darvish’s WHIP of 1.46 isn’t misleading….or 74 BB in 134 IP….

  • cubtex

    RIP. Not to disagree with you…..but anyone can do that after the fact. I can say I could field an everyday lineup for 10 mil as well if you include Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Starlin Castro etc.

  • Scott

    Your salary information does not match what I was able to find for these 5. I found McCarthy at 4.275M, Maholm at 4.75M and Jackson at a whopping 11M. That would put the 5 guys at 22.475M, or over “budget”. And Colon and Sheets? Definitely using hindsight on those two (and Sheets has 5 starts, not much). You would definitely be hoping for a whole lot of luck if you hand picked these 5. And even if they got you to the playoffs, you said you would be winning with these 5. I can’t see that at all. Three have no playoff experience, Colon hasn’t pitched in the postseason since 2005 and Jackson hasn’t been any good in the postseason as a starter. None of the 5 would do well against other team’s best starters. This is not a winning playoff rotation.

  • Baron_S

    Even the WHIP stats dont tell the full tale.

    That league is just really hard to dominate in …. that being said — I agree — I don’t see Yu as a front-line AL starter … but I also think you’d seem him as a mid 3s era type guy in any NL division.

    It takes a real special pitcher to dominate the AL.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Yup. No way these guys could win in the playoffs. CC Sabathia, now there’s a sure fire playoff winner. The Yanks have won 5 World Series in a row with that guy. These lower tier Free Agents have no capacity to win big games. Look at the Cards. They get washed out of every single playoff with their lower tier starters, like Jake Westbrook and Lohse and Jamie Garcia , Kyle McClelland and Carpenter. They’re just junk in comparison. When’s the last time the Cards won anything? [2011 World Series]. And when is the last time Jake Westbrook won a big game? [Game six 2011 World Series winner].

    It’s the Sabathia’s and the DiceK’s of the world, the Yu Darvishes–it’s the big, big, big Free Agent signings that get the job done in this world. Look at C.J. Wilson–why, he’s carrying the LA Angels all by himself with that 9-7 record. So what if Paul Maholm was 9-6 with the Cubs. Cliff Lee is much better at 2-6 3.78, and Doc Halladay at 5-6 4.02 is far better than Brandon McCarthy (6-3..2.54 era).

    You are 100% correct.

  • Scott

    You would seriously rather have Paul Maholm and Brandon McCarthy leading your rotation than Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee? Really?
    I love how you back pitchers with a LOSING career record, yet think that Halladay (193-98, 2 Cy Young awards), Cliff Lee (121-75, 1 Cy Young award), CC Sabathia (187-99, 1 Cy Young) and Chris Carpenter (144-92, 1 Cy Young) are nothing substantial. Heck, Maholm (62-80) and McCarthy (35-36) aren’t as good as Westbrook (96-92), Lohse (114-108), Jaime Garcia (30-20) and CJ Wilson (52-42) either if you want to just go by wins and losses (and probably most other statistics as well). Oh, and you left out that lightweight Wainwright, who is only 75-45.
    It’s not about how much these pitchers make. It’s about what kind of stuff they have. None of the guys you listed have great stuff (anymore) or don’t know how to use what they have. A team with the rotation you mentioned would be closer to fighting with the Astros for last than playing for anything in October.

  • Ripsnorter1

    In 2012, yes, I would.

    But my point is that one can build a competitive team without $20 million dollar starters.

    That’s the whole point. That’s all. The Cards won in 2011 without the big dollar pitchers. They might win in 2012, too.

  • Ripsnorter1

    I meant to say, “Nothing I say in this post is meant to be mean or offensive to anyone who posts on the CCO.”

  • cubtex

    You need at least one horse to win. That could be the Rangers downfall this year. Who will start the 1st game of the WS if they get there? Dempster???? LOL We know how he pitched in the playoffs with us.

  • Scott

    2011 St. Louis Cardinals top 6 starters = $45,278,903.
    2010 San Francisco Gians top 6 starters = $46,083,333.
    2009 New York Yankees top 6 starters = $43,718,289
    2008 Philadelphia Phillies top 6 starters = $27,186,666
    2007 Boston Red Sox top 6 starters = $33,734,000
    2006 St. Louis Cardinals top 6 starters = $30,617,500
    Average of the teams = $37,769,781.83
    Wow. Lots more than 20M.
    Maholm/McCarthy in 2012
    WHIP = 1.22
    H/9 = 8.6
    K/9 = 6.2
    BB/9 = 2.4
    K/BB = 2.6
    INN/AP = 6.04
    Lee/Halladay in 2012
    WHIP = 1.15
    H/9 = 8.7
    K/9 = 7.9
    BB/9 = 1.6
    K/BB = 4.9
    INN/AP = 6.75
    Lee/Halladay have been BETTER than Maholm/McCarthy in 2012.

  • Ripsnorter1

    I agree. It may be Les Lancaster. Marmol. Some hot hand.

    I also agree: NOT DEMPSTER!
    When the pressure’s on, he’s off.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Thank you for the excellent research. Very nice work. I didn’t realize that the Cards paid so much for their starters.

  • Scott

    I didn’t either until I looked it up. I thought it would be north of 20M, but I never thought it would be 45M. Scary.