Cubs Down on the Farm Report – 08/13/12

The spotlight moved to the lower levels of the Cubs minor league at the end of the week, as most of the affiliates were on the uptick. Boise put together a four-game winning streak thanks to Dan Vogelbach’s five home runs and outfielder Izaac Garsez. Jorge Soler moved from the rookie league to Peoria and was a big hit, literally, with a grand slam.

Excellent pitching efforts by Nick Struck and Dae-Eun Rhee were backed by the offense of Jae-Hoon Ha for Tennessee, while struggling remained the key word in Daytona and Iowa.

Note: Monday’s report will cover games from Wednesday to Saturday. Thursday’s report covers games Sunday through Tuesday.

Short Season-A – Boise Hawks (26-30)
Once again, the Hawks had some late innings concerns on Wednesday but were able to weather the storm as they defeated Everett 8-6. Boise took the lead early, taking advantage of two hit batsmen and an error, as Jeimer Candelario (1-for-4) drove in Gioskar Amaya (1-for-3, double, stolen base, three runs scored) with a single. Candelario was on board in the third when Dan Vogelbach (1-for-5) launched his fourth home run. Getting a look in left field, Rock Shoulders (1-for-5) blasted a grand slam in the fifth inning for his seventh home run. Willson Contreras also contributed with a 2-for-4 performance that included a double.

Jose Arias had what is becoming a typical performance. Arias struck out six but allowed three earned runs in five innings. It was also feast-or-famine with Hayden Simpson. Simpson recorded four strikeouts but also gave up three earned runs in three innings. Eduardo Orozco is emerging as a closer to the Hawks. Orozco picked up his third save with a scoreless ninth.

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It was bombs away for Boise on Thursday as two home runs were the difference in a 3-2 victory over Everett. Dan Vogelbach tied the games twice with two solo home runs, and, according to play-by-play announcer Mike Safford “they weren’t cheap!” Vogelbach was 2-for-4 for the evening. Vogelbach’s fourth and fifth longballs in a four-game span. The go ahead run came in the eighth as Izaac Garsez (1-for-3) tripled and touched home on a sacrifice fly by Gioskar Amaya.

Tayler Scott was not as dominant as he had been, but got the job done with six strikeouts and two earned runs allowed in five innings. Matt Iannazzo kept the Hawks in the game with two scoreless innings that included two strikeouts. Tyler Bremer went the rest of the way, shutting out the Aqua Sox for two innings. Bremer struck out the side in the ninth for his first save.

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Both Dan Vogelbach and Boise was sad to leave Everett, as the Hawks took four out of five from the Aqua Sox with Friday’s 11-8 victory. For the second consecutive night, Dan Vogelbach blasted two home runs. Vogelbach went 3-for-4 on the night with five RBI. Jeimer Candelario set the table with a 4-for-5 effort that included two doubles, two RBI, and three runs scored. A resurgent Marco Hernandez joined Vogelbach in the home run department. Hernandez went deep with a solo homer and finished the game 2-for-5 with two runs driven in. Steady Stephen Bruno (2-for-4) also plated a run.

Starter Ian Dickson piddled away a six run lead, allowing six earned runs, but striking out five, in three innings. After a rough outing his last time out, Hunter Ackerman showed improvement. Ackerman gave up an earned run and struck out three in two innings. Rafael Diplan followed with nearly the same line, one earned run and a strikeout in two innings. Manager Mark Johnson now seems to have the back end of his bullpen figured out, with Nathan Dorris emerging as his left-handed closer. Dorris earned his second save by striking out two in two scoreless innings.

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It was another debut for another member of the 2012 draft class on Saturday as a poised Boise squad defeated Salem-Keizer 4-1. Just up from the rookie league, first round draft pick Pierce Johnson was scheduled to pitch the first two innings. Johnson did okay in his Boise debut. Johnson allowed an earned run and struck out two batters. Regularly scheduled starter Felix Pena then stepped in, struck out four and blanked the Volcanoes over five innings. Eduardo Orozco continued the trend, and picked up a long save with two scoreless innings.

The Hawks were consistent on offense, with everyone but Rock Shoulders hitting safely. Willson Contreras (3-for-4) scored half of the runs, while Gioskar Amaya went 2-for-5. Izaac Garsez smacked his first homer of the season. Garsez was 1-for-3 with two RBI, and fellow outfielder Trey Martin (2-for-3) drove in a run. Dan Vogelbach (1-for-4) raised his RBI total to 21 but did not hit a home run.

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Low Class-A – Peoria Chiefs (52-63)
Relief pitching marred another outstanding performance by a starter as Peoria lost to Burlington on Wednesday 9-8 in 14 innings. One the heels of Starling Peralta’s 14 strikeout performance, Yao-Lin Wang was almost his equal as he had ten whiffs while giving up only one earned run in six innings. Wang was given a comfortable lead thanks to home runs by Paul Hoilman (2-for-6, two RBI) and Tim Saunders (2-for-5, three RBI, two stolen bases). A Dustin Geiger (2-for-7, three RBI) double plated Zeke DeVoss (3-for-7, stolen base) and Pin-Chieh Chen in the top of the eighth and pushed the lead to 6-1. However, Luis Liria continued his adventures on the mound. Liria let in three earned runs in 1.1 innings. Austin Reed then allowed two runs (one earned) in 1.2 innings as the Bees tied the game. Sheldon McDonald did his part as he tossed three scoreless innings. But after the Chiefs posted two runs in the top of the 14th, Pete Levitt committed two errors on pickoff attempts that led to three runs (one earned) and gave the victory to Burlington.

Peoria got a measure of revenge Thursday after letting one slip away the previous night, edging Burlington 5-4. The see-saw affair saw seven lead changes, with Zeke DeVoss coming out of a prolonged offensive funk. DeVoss went 2-for-3 with a home run, two RBI, and a stolen base. Pin-Chieh Chen (1-for-5) also drove in two, while Dustin Geiger was 2-for-4 with two doubles.

Joe Zeller had trouble finding the zone again, as four hits and two walks led to four runs (three earned) in four innings. Jeffry Antigua came to the rescue by stopping the Bees’ attack with three strikeouts in 2.1 scoreless innings. Larry Suarez finished things out, as he slammed the door over the last 1.2 innings.

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It was decent opening night for Jorge Soler, but it was a shame he couldn’t pitch as Peoria lost to Burlington 10-5. The newest organizational bonus baby was 1-for-4 with two RBI in his debut for the Chiefs, but the real story on Friday was pitching, or the lack of it. Michael Jensen had his worst outing of the season. Jensen allowed six earned runs in five innings. Justin Berg remains an accident waiting to happen. Berg tossed two innings and gave up four runs (one earned), as errors by Zeke DeVoss, Chadd Krist, and Wes Darvill didn’t help. Bryce Shafer mopped up with a scoreless inning. Chadd Krist tried to balance things by going 2-for-4 with two doubles and three RBI. Yaniel Cabezas was 2-for-3.

The Chiefs slammed their way to a win on Saturday, as a grand slam by Jorge Soler was the difference in a 5-3 victory over Beloit. The big fly in the third inning was set up by Snapper infielders Tyler Grimes and Miguel Sano, who had issues with their fielding. Two errors and a wild pitch put Pin-Chieh Chen (1-for-5), Dustin Geiger (1-for-5, double) and Paul Hoilman (1-for-4) on board for Soler (1-for-4), who delivered his first homer for Peoria in grand style. A resurgent Wes Darvill was also 3-for-4 with a double and an RBI for the evening.

Starter Zach Cates continues to get pounded. Castes allowed three earned runs and struck out three through 4.1 innings. Luis Liria ended his free fall, as he shut down Beloit over 2.1 innings, striking out three batters. Sheldon McDonald struck out two in two scoreless innings, but had to be bailed out by Larry Suarez in the ninth. Suarez was able to get the last out for his second save.

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High Class-A – Daytona Cubs (52-63)
A postponement of Wednesday’s game due to weather conditions led to a doubleheader on Thursday, with Daytona taking the opener 8-4 over Lakeland. Robert Whitenack continues the long road back from Tommy John surgery. Whitenack was touched for four earned runs in four innings. However, Ryan Searle stopped the Flying Tigers in their tracks, striking out three in 2.2 scoreless innings. Jeffrey Lorick went the rest of the way. Lorick struck out two and slammed the door shut with 1.1 scoreless innings to get the win. Ronald Torreyes (1-for-3) drove in two runs, while Rafael Lopez (1-for-2) added an RBI.

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Game two was no contest, as Lakeland ran away with things, defeating Daytona 7-1. Kyle Hendricks was given the start and performed fairly well, striking out three and serving up a solo home run in three innings. Kyler Burke followed and had trouble. Burke allowed four earned runs in 2.2 innings. Hunter Cervenka wasn’t much better, giving up two earned runs to go along with two strikeouts in 1.1 innings. Elieser Bonne was the only bright spot for the D-Cubs’ offense. Bonne was 2-for-5 with a double and scored the only run. Taylor Davis (1-for-3) doubled in Bonne.

With their best starter on the mound and a four run lead, things looked good for Daytona on Friday. However, their pitching soon fell apart and they lost 8-5 to Dunedin. Matt Loosen was cruising along until the fifth inning, when he gave up four earned runs while recording only one out. Eduardo Figueroa was able to keep the score at 5-5 with 2.2 scoreless innings that included two strikeouts. But Scott Weismann served up a two-run homer in the eighth. The bottom of the order did the damage for the D-Cubs. Elieser Bonne (1-for-4) drove in two. Rafael Lopez and Micah Gibbs were each 2-for-4 with Lopez driving in one run while Gibbs ended up with two RBI.

Double-A – Tennessee Smokies (55-62)
The Smokies bowed out of Wednesday’s game with Huntsville early, losing 7-2. Dallas Beeler did not have his best stuff, as he allowed six runs (five earned) in three innings. Casey Harman was the long man and ate three innings while giving up an earned run. Casey Weathers, Tony Zych, and Frank Batista each provided a scoreless inning, but the damage had already been done. Tennessee couldn’t solve the Stars’ pitching, as Junior Lake, now batting in the five-hole, was 2-for-4 with a double and an RBI. Matt Szczur also drove in a run as he went 1-for-5 with a triple.

The cardiac kids survived another scare on Thursday, as Tennessee sweated out a 5-3 victory over Huntsville. In his second appearance with the club, rehabbing pitcher Lendy Castillo was able to work through two hits and a walk without allowing any runs. Scheduled starter Nick Struck handled the delay better than Dae-Eun Rhee. Struck allowed an earned run while striking out seven batters in seven innings of work. But Frank Batista had a rare bad outing and allowed things to get interesting with two earned runs in 0.2 innings. Brian Schlitter recorded the final out and picked up his third save.

Matt Szczur put the Smokies out in front early with a leadoff home run, as he was 1-for-3 with two walks and a stolen base. Jae-Hoon Ha seemed to be back in form after a stint on the DL. Ha was 1-for-1 with a double and four walks. And if runs were involved then Justin Bour (1-for-5) has to be in the thick of it as he drove in two. Logan Watkins also joined in the fun with a 1-for-2 performance that included a RBI and a stolen base.

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It was too little, too late for Tennessee on Friday as they bowed to Huntsville 4-3. The Smokies’ offense couldn’t muster any runs until the last three innings. Matt Szczur is beginning to heat up as he was 2-for-4 with a triple and an RBI. Logan Watkins remained dependable, also driving in a run and going 2-for-4 with a double. Nelson Perez was also 2-for-4 with a double. Eric Jokisch had another quality effort, striking out six and allowing an earned run in five innings. Trey McNutt had his best outing in quite a while, as he was touched for an unearned run in two innings. But Kevin Rhoderick continues to scuffle. Rhoderick gave up two earned runs in the ninth to hand the ballgame to the Stars.

A classic pitcher’s duel was on tap Saturday, as Tennessee’s Dae-Eun Rhee came out on top in a 2-0 victory over Huntsville. Rhee flirted with trouble all evening. Rhee allowed six hits and struck out three while not walking a batter over six scoreless innings. Tony Zych picked up where Rhee left off. Zych struck out three over two perfect innings. Brian Schlitter brought it home. Schlitter completed the shutout and earned his fourth save.

While Matt Szczur was 2-for-3, Jae-Hoon Ha (1-for-4) was the real hero as his single brought in pinch-runner Nick Struck with the go-ahead run in the sixth. Struck came in for Elliot Soto, who singled in place of Rhee. Matt Cerda (1-for-3) doubled and scored in the seventh on a Michael Brenly (1-for-3) single for the winning margin.

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Triple-A – Iowa Cubs (44-76)
A Wednesday matinee saw the bullpen totally lose it as Iowa fell to Reno 5-1in ten innings. The game was actually close, as starter Ryan Rowland-Smith struck out four and allowed one earned run through six innings. Continuing his rehab stint, Blake Parker tossed a perfect inning in relief of Rowland-Smith. But Jay Jackson started the tenth and gave up four earned runs. Marcus Hatley recorded the last out in the tenth, but it was too little-too late. Rowland-Smith (1-for-2) scored the I-Cubs’ only run on a sacrifice fly by Greg Rohan.

An off day on Thursday did little to change the fortunes of the I-Cubs, as they lost 4-3 on Friday to Las Vegas. Chris Rusin gave what can be considered a pedestrian effort. Rusin allowed three earned runs and struck out two in 5.2 innings. Michael Bowden continues to test the concept of the AAAA player, as he provided 1.1 scoreless innings to lower his ERA to 2.76. Inconsistency has characterized Jaye Chapman’s tenure with the club. Jaye Chapman gave up the winning run in the bottom of the ninth. Iowa is still searching for an identity on offense, as Greg Rohan (1-for-4) continues to show he is a clutch performer by driving in two runs. Tony Campana was 2-for-4 with a double, but after leading off the game with a single was thrown out trying to steal second base.

News and Notes
The Chicago Cubs recalled RHP Lendy Castillo from the Tennessee Smokies; optioned LHP Scott Maine to the Iowa Cubs. The Tennessee Smokies placed RHP Jacob Brigham on the 7-Day disabled list; RHP Yoannis Negron was returned to the Tennessee Smokies from Olmecas de Tabasco; assigned IF Nate Samson to the Iowa Cubs. The Daytona Cubs assigned IF Elliot Soto to the Tennessee Smokies. The Peoria Chiefs placed IF Kenny Socorro on the 7-Day disabled list. The Boise Hawks placed OF Dong-Yub Kim on the 7-Day disabled list .The AZL Cubs assigned OF Jorge Soler to the Peoria Chiefs and assigned RHP Pierce Johnson to the Boise Hawks.

CCO’s Prospect Watch

  • Javier Baez (IF) – . 091, double, four RBI, stolen base (Daytona Cubs)
  • Jeimer Candelario (3B) – . 287, 11 doubles, five home runs, 33 RBI, two stolen bases (Boise Hawks)
  • Zeke DeVoss (2B) – .243, 23 doubles, five triples, five home runs, 31 RBI, 33 stolen bases (Peoria Chiefs)
  • Junior Lake (IF) – . 282, 19 doubles, two triples, eight home runs, 36 RBI, 17 stolen bases (Tennessee Smokies)
  • Dillon Maples (RHP) – 0-0, 1.93 ERA, 4.2 innings, five strikeouts, four walks, 1.50 WHIP (Arizona Cubs)
  • Matt Szczur (OF) – .230, three doubles, three triples, home run, four RBI, three stolen bases (Tennessee Smokies)
  • Ronald Torreyes (2B) – .268, 19 doubles, four triples, six home runs, 44 RBI, 13 stolen bases (Daytona Cubs)
  • Dan Vogelbach (1B) – . 373, five doubles, eight home runs, 21 RBI (Boise Hawks)
  • Robert Whitenack (RHP) – 1-5, 6.50 ERA, 44.1 innings, 28 strikeouts, 24 walks, 1.96 WHIP (Daytona Cubs)
  • Tony Zych (RHP) – 0-1, 5.87 ERA, 15.1 innings, 21 strikeouts, eight walks, 1.83 WHIP (Tennessee Smokies)

Note: Due to his promotion, Josh Vitters was removed from the CCO’s Prospect Watch

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  • Zonk

    It’s good to see Szczur have a good week after a rough start at Tennessee.

    One thing noticeable on him, this year he has hit for less power, but seems to be taking more walks and making more contact. Was this a result of specific coaching he was given to make that change? Everyone says he is coachable, so maybe that’s what happened.

    Just based on his ability to make contact, I have more faith in Szczur as a prospect than B-Jax.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    The Cubs optioned Brooks Raley to Triple-A Iowa, selected
    Michael Bowden from Triple-A Iowa, added to the 40-man roster and recalled from
    Triple-A Iowa. Ian Stewart was transferred to the 60-day DL to create a roster
    spot for Michael Bowden

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    For those that are wondering, Raley can still be recalled under the new rules and start one of the games of the doubleheader next Saturday in Cincinnati

  • rswartz84

    Read this today on bleacher report… Author projected these 7 additions could put the cubs back in the post season in 2013. What are everyones thoughts?
    C: Wellington Castillo/Kelly Shoppach
    1B Rizzo
    2B. Barney
    3B Kevin Youkilis
    SS. Castro
    LF Soriano
    CF. Jackson
    RF. Jeff Francoeur
    Rotation
    1.Samardzija
    2. Garza
    3. Anibal Sanchez
    4. Ervin Santana
    5. Travis Wood/ Arodys Vizcaino
    Bullpen
    Ryan Madson
    Mike Adams
    Carlos Marmol
    James Russel
    Manuel Corpas
    Scott Maine
    Probably 2103 is to early… but I like the addition of Anibal Sanchez for a 2-3 contract. He should be tradeable at a deadline.

  • BosephHeyden

    Two problems in the outfield are that we still have David DeJesus next year (I would have assumed they’d move him, but I’m guessing that they still have him means there wasn’t interest) and that Brett Jackson…right now I just don’t see him as a starting outfielder during the “competitive” parts of the regular season.

    But I’ll say this: clearly, the Cubs have no faith or interest in Vitters at third, and our next third baseman is at least another two years away, unless they move Castro over to third and Javier Baez flies into the picture next year (or Baez moves to third and does good there). With that being the case, we could do a lot worse than Youkilis.

    But, barring any major moves, I think we can expect more of the same next year.

  • Zonk

    Some of the writers on Bleacher Report are not very knowledgeable, and pretty poor writers to boot. This looks like one of them.

    So many things would have to go right for this to work, including: a) signing 7 free agents to palatable contracts all at once, b) all of them perform at current or above current production, and c) we have no regression from Soriano or Corpas, or Russell, or Travis Wood or Castillo or anyone else. Plus, any plan that has Jeff Francoeur as a starter should be discarded just for that.

    You are taking the NL’s dead-last offense, removing DeJesus for Francouer, and removing our 3B for Youkilis. Is that really enough to completely turn the offense around? I doubt it.

    If it fails, we just repeated the Hendry era, saddling ourselves with a half-dozen contracts with no real young core.

    This is a dumb idea.

  • Aaron

    That’s a terrible roster….aside from Castillo, Rizzo, Castro, Samardzija, Garza, Sanchez, Vizcaino (if healthy), Adams, and Russell.

    Youkilis might be a good option as a back-up, but not as a starter. He will be 34 next year, and is hitting .242 on the year. Plus, he’s not exactly known as a great teammate, just FYI.

    Bleacher Report, as others have mentioned, is absolutely ridiculous sometimes, and this is another one of their moments…

    I’d like to see this next year:
    Samardzija
    Garza (b/c of injury, they won’t get much, so might as well keep him)
    Edwin Jackson
    Liriano (I believe he’d be much better in the NL)
    Lendy Castillo (he’d be cheap, and better as a starter)

    Batista
    Rhoderick (if he’s over the blister problems)
    Russell
    Beliveau
    Zych (if he goes to AZFL and lights it up)
    Cabrera
    De la Cruz (as a spot-starter/long-man)

    C-Castillo, Clevenger
    1B-Rizzo
    2B-Barney (for his glove), Cardenas
    SS-Castro
    3B-Vitters, Rohan
    LF-Bour
    CF-Szczur, Campana
    RF-B. Jackson, Lake

    Guys that would be traded, include: Travis Wood, Volstad (or non-tendered), Marmol, DeJesus, Soriano, LaHair, Mather, Valbuena.

    So why these guys? Let’s take a look at who is going nowhere:
    Castillo, Rizzo, Barney, Castro, B Jackson, Samardzija, Russell, and now most likely Garza due to his injury.

    The Cubs need another lefty in the rotation, and Liriano would fill in nicely there. Since he’s having a down year, he most likely would come cheaper. Edwin Jackson has been very solid, and is almost Garza-esque in that he always had top-of-the rotation potential, but never put it all together, yet still has solid numbers across the board with good velocity. The Cubs picked up Castillo NOT for the pen, but as a future rotation arm, and that’s where he should be given the dearth of starting prospects in the upper levels for the Cubs.

    Zych and Cabrera get added to the pen for power arms, and Beliveau stays on because he’s deceptive. Batista and Rhoderick both have closing experience, along with Zych and Cabrera, so they are added to the mix as well. De la Cruz replaces Coleman as the go-to swing-man.

    Clevenger remains as back-up, because most teams prefer a righty-lefty platoon behind the plate. Cardenas should make the team, because he works the count, is versatile, and is left-handed. Hopefully he gets the chance to play more next year to utilize those traits. Vitters makes the team, because there are no decent 3B options in FA, and there is nobody else in the system that could step in like he can. Rohan makes the team as a safe, yet not nearly with the ceiling of Vitters…fall-back option, plus he can play all corners, giving the Cubs a younger version of Mather. Bour replaces LaHair, technically. He’ll be 25 next May, and the Cubs have already given him some time in the OF this year. Perhaps he will go to the AZFL or fall instructs to learn the OF? You need power at the corners, and the Cubs have NOBODY for that in the system that is ready, other than Vitters.

    The only FA options that would offer power in the OF are:
    Hamilton (too pricey and risky, wrong side of 30)
    Swisher (too pricey and wrong side of 30)
    D. Young (too pricey and risky given behavior, plus he’s a free swinger, which they don’t want)

    That’s it folks! They must find a way to get Bour in the OF. Szczur makes the list because of speed, power potential, and the fact he’s on the 40-man. Lake makes the team because of the speed and power combination, plus his versatility.

    I know it sounds crazy to go with a young team like this, but Castillo, Clevenger, Rizzo, Castro, Vitters, and Jackson would all have another year under their belt playing together, and it would be very beneficial to see if they can hack it. If not, then the Cubs need to look at trading some of them for better pieces.

  • mutantbeast

    Isnt Madson still signed to a 2yr contract with the Reds, even though hes hurt? If Not, him and Adams wouldnt be bad guys to take a shot at. Id Leave Ervin alone, cant command his breaking ball period.

  • John_CC

    Keep an eye on Candelario. The kid is 18 and competing quite nicely. If he had been in the amateur draft, some scouts projected him as 1st round pick.

    How is his glove at 3B, Tom?

  • paulcatanese

    Boseph, I wasnt a huge fan of DeJesus when he was brought over, but have changed my mind on him. He is really not a bad player at all. Defensivly he does a little above average, and his offensive skills are not bad at all(except on the bases) so I would not be too upset if he comes back either as
    a fourth outfielder.
    Agree on Vitters an for that matter think they also have little faith in Jackson.
    Baez, well all I am going on are reports that he is very weak with the glove, but no doubt he is hitting the ball. Always say, if you can hit, you will play.
    My thoughts are still out on Castro, and have posted those over the last few days.
    Honestly dont think Baez could move several players the Cubs have at SS out of there, but 3b could very well be an option in the Cubs plan for him.
    Have been getting an extended look at Youkilis since he came over , he’s not bad at all, but if he is considered at all, I think that would probably depend on the relationship he has had with Theo.
    Dont know what kind of money he commands, but he is doing a pretty fair job for that south side team( forgot the name of that team).
    But agree, major deals would be what moves the Cubs, just dont think they will make any.

  • cc002600

    While I am on board with the rebuilding process, I still can’t get past the fact that if the cubs don’t go out this winter and get any major FA’s, their payroll will be in the 75-80M range possibly, which would put in them around 25th out of 30 teams.

    I’m sorry, but for a big market team that packs its stadium everyday, are in the top 3 for highest tickets prices, and are one of the iconic sports franchises in sports, that is embarrassing and a slap in the face to the fans.

    Yes, I am very excited about the young players they have acquired recently, just like everyone else. But make no mistake, these guys will NOT have a major impact until 2017-2018 at the earliest. If you think otherwise, you are delusional. It will take them at LEAST 2-3 years to get here, and another 2-3 years to start producing impact numbers. And oh, by the way, NOTHING is guaranteed. Just look at BJax and Vitters. I think it is better than 50-50 they are busts. Prospects are still suspects until proven otherwise.

    So having said of that, why do we have to sit here for the next 4 to 5 years and watch this team lose 100 games every year, while not even trying to win in the near-term, while they have GOBS of money to spend ??? They are being out-spent 2x or 3X by many teams. That is a joke.

    I just don’t get it.

  • ChadAudio

    I totally agree with Zonk. Some of the Bleacher Report writers are good. But, the writers for the Cubs are almost alway terrible.

    And yeah, that idea of a roster looks like a terrible idea.

    I’m not a fan of Francouer and Hollindsworth.

  • brent carmona

    I know you asked tom, but from what I hear he is more of the unathletic, less graceful type. Because of this there were thoughts of him having a better chance at LF when his body fills out. That would not be good for him since he would really need to be killing it with the bat to be valuable

  • brent carmona

    The only thing I can think of is, they’d rather be perennial contenders year in and year out rather then maybe making it to the playoffs a couple times a decade. What the front office is doing now must be part of the plan. Do I like it? I don’t know what to think anymore really. All I can say is we have one of the best front offices in baseball and they have a pretty darn good idea of what their plan is, so I’m just putting my faith in them. If we have been losing the past century, why not sacrifice a couple more losing seasons now if it will make us legit contenders every season in a couple years?

  • paulcatanese

    I agree with you, and guess they are saving the money for a rainy day.
    As a Cub fan I find it increasingly difficult living in a dream world waiting for what may be the answer in 3-4 years.
    I watch the Cubs and what they do on a daily basis. I am not particularly interested in what may be and stress may be in the future.
    Kind of hard sitting and watching a ballgame and tell myself, don’t worry, it will get better in a few years,it just dosent work that way.
    Have the Cubs been bad in the past? Of course they have,,,but, each year its with the dream of success, now, the dream is wait, wait, these guys have it figured out, all one has to do is be patient and wait a few more years.
    When a team starts a season and are told we are not going to win this year, next, and the year after, and we’re dumping almost everyone that was here and hiring “fillers”
    has beens and teenagers and have 0 faith with what is here now.
    Thats progress?

  • cc002600

    Yea, I get that and I agree, and I’m excited for that.

    But does mean you can’t try to win in the near-term (next 3-4 years) while you try to build winner for the long-term ?

    I almost feel like they don’t even care about putting together a competitive team for 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2015.

    To me, people have this delusional idea that this team will be pennant contender by 2015 because Soler, Almora & Baez are going to ride to the rescue by then. These guys are stinkin teenagers. Its going to take years !!! Not 2 or 3.

    Ridiculous

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Zeke DeVoss named MWL Player of the Week, 3rd Chiefs player to win award in 2012 (Kyler Burke & Javier Baez)

    Zeke’s line for the week: .448/.529/.724, 13-for-29, 3 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 10 R, 3 BB, 5 SB.

  • mutantbeast

    Vogelbach sure is looking like Vogel-boom!

  • Roseyc

    The rebuilding process won’t take 5 years to complete. When Soriano’s money is removed from the payroll and they are still paying Zambrano salary too. Then you’ll see Theo and Co. go after pitching.They really don’t care about wins this year but next is when they actually start caring about the way the direction of the club is going. I don’t think Jackson and Vitters are in the long term plans.Samardzija and Garza are 3rd and 4th starters at best. Samardzija has pitched well but can he duplicate that in seasons back to back. Garza is still a question mark but if and when healthy can be moved to a 2 starter and then some of the prospects picked up in trades can fill the rest of the rotation. The bullpen needs overhauling. Russell is the only one that’s respectable. But will he still be viable in 2 years. That will be the biggest change you’ll see in the Cubs next year. Marmol won’t be here next year. I honestly don’t think Castro’s future is at shortstop. He’s regressed this year defensively. Third base is where they will move him since there isn’t viable alternative. Soler and our 1st rounder will be here in short fashion. Which will make a big difference in our attack. Theo and Hoyer are taking this year to evaluate the minor leagues which was in shambles. They are just weeding out Hendry’s mess. So they aren’t done dealing from a minor league additions. All of these fringe players like Lahair and Valbena will be discarded over the winter. Keep the faith Cubs fans look at the Pirates and the Tigers and the Nats. Big money is not the solution. Talent in the organization is the solution.