Cubs Down on the Farm Report – 07/30/12

The team results were not what the managers wanted to see but several prospects in the Cubs’ system had a good end of the week and for some the solid play carried over into the weekend.

The Smokies had a rough end to their nine-game road trip. Jae-Hoon Ha was injured during Thursday’s game in Jacksonville and will be out for 7-14 days with a concussion. On the positive side, Matt Szczur replaced Ha on the Smokies roster, made his Double-A debut Friday and notched his first Double-A single on Saturday night. Junior Lake stayed hot while nursing a wrist injury. Lake’s performance over the past seven days should lead to player of the week honors. Lake hit the ball all over the park and is riding an 11-game hitting streak.

Javier Baez’s 11th homer of the season was a game winner Friday night. Dan Vogelbach stayed hot in Boise while splitting time at DH and first base with Rock Shoulders. Robert Whitenack earned his first win of the season … and a pitcher few recognized wearing a Chris Volstad jersey pitched eight shutout innings on Friday night. Josh Vitters kept his numbers up while playing both third and first base. Brett Jackson helped end the I-Cubs losing streak and hit is 15th longball of the year off Jacob Turner.

Note: Monday’s report will cover games from Wednesday to Saturday. Thursday’s report covers games Sunday through Tuesday.

Short Season-A – Boise Hawks (16-27)
The Hawks dropped Wednesday’s slugfest with Yakima 10-8. The two teams combined on 29 hits as well as five errors. Felix Pena was roughed up over the first four innings. Pena gave up six runs, four earned, on seven hits without a walk and a pair of strikeouts. Rafael Diplan pitched three scoreless but undrafted free agent Matt Iannazzo was lit up and took the loss after giving up four runs on seven hits in 1 1/3 innings.

Dan Vogelbach led the offense with a 3-for-5 effort that included a double, a RBI and a run scored. Rock Shoulders (2-for-4 with a run scored), Gioskar Amaya (2-for-4 with a double, a RBI and a run scored) and Dong-Yub Kim (2-for-4 with a double, a home run and two RBI) each recorded multi-hit games.

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The Hawks dropped Thursday’s game 1-0 to Yakima. Jose Arias took the hard luck loss after allowing just the one run on three hits with two walks and three strikeouts in six-plus innings. Michael Hamann pitched two scoreless and Eduardo Orozco finished out with a scoreless ninth (one walk and two strikeouts).

Marco Hernandez (2-for-4) recorded the only multi-hit game while the legend of Dan Vogelbach continued to grow with a 1-for-4 effort as the team’s designated hitter.

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Boise pounded out 13 hits in Friday’s 8-3 victory over Tri-City. Only one player in the starting nine did not collect at least one hit and five of the nine had multi-hit games. Dan Vogelbach (2-for-3 with a double, a RBI and a run scored) continued pounding the baseball. Vogelbach collected two more hits, including a double in four trips to the plate. Vogelbach also drove in a run. Willson Contreras (1-for-4 with a home run and three RBI) hit his second longball of the year with two on in the first inning. Gioskar Amaya (2-for-5 with a triple, a run scored and two RBI)

James Pugliese surrendered three runs on six hits with a walk and two strikeouts in four innings. Michael Heesch pitched two scoreless and Willengton Cruz picked up the win after allowing just one hit with a walk while striking out four in two innings.

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Boise won a pitcher’s duel over Tri-City 1-0 on Saturday night. Tayler Scott picked up the win with five innings of scoreless ball to start the game. Scott gave up four hits, walked three and struck out four in route to his third victory of the season. Hayden Simpson surrendered one hit in his three scoreless frames while Eduardo Orozco picked up his first save.

Jeimer Candelario (1-for-3 with a RBI) drove in the only run of the game. Dan Vogelbach (0-for-3) had a rare 0-for night. Xavier Batista (0-for-3) did not contribute with the bat but he threw out Zach Osborne at the plate in the first inning. Boise’s defense turned two double plays to help preserve the shutout.

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Low Class-A – Peoria Chiefs (49-54)
Peoria took Wednesday’s game with Cedar Rapids 8-6 despite being outhit 13-7 and committing four errors. The Chiefs used a seven-run third inning to their advantage and held on for the win. Peoria walked nine times while Javier Baez (2-for-5 with a RBI and a run scored), Pin-Chieh Chen (1-for-3 with a triple, RBI, run scored and two walks), Dustin Geiger (1-for-4 with a RBI, run scored and a walk) and Chadd Krist (1-for-2 with a RBI and two walks) drove in runs.

Knuckleballer Joe Zeller had another good start and is now 2-2 with a 1.32 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP with the Chiefs. Justin Berg continues to struggle while rehabbing with Peoria and allowed two runs on four hits with a strikeout in two innings. Pete Levitt closed it out and survived errors by Dustin Geiger and Wes Darvill in the ninth. Levitt gave up a pair of unearned runs on two hits

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Peoria rode another solid outing from Michael Jensen on Thursday to a 7-2 victory over Cedar Rapids. Jensen gave up two runs on four hits with six strikeouts and no walks over six innings of work. Larry Suarez pitched two scoreless innings and Bryce Shaffer closed it out with a perfect ninth. Jensen improved to 9-3 on the season.

On the offensive side, Javier Baez (2-for-2 with a double, two runs scored, two RBI and a HBP) had a big game while Chadd Krist continues to impress. Krist (1-for-3) drove in a pair with a double.

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Javier Baez delivered the game winner in Peoria’s 3-2 over Cedar Rapids on Friday. With the Chiefs trailing 2-1, Wes Darvill (2-for-4 with a double, a RBI and a run scored) doubled to start the eighth … then trotted home on Javier Baez’s 11th home run of the season. Baez finished the game 2-for-3 with a home run, two RBI and a walk. The Chiefs managed only five hits with Darvill and Baez combining on four of the five.

Zach Cates had a very good outing. Cates gave up a pair of runs on three hits with a walk, a hit batsman and seven strikeouts in 5 1/3 innings. Sheldon McDonald was solid once again. McDonald tossed two scoreless frames in relief of Cates. But Austin Reed benefited from Baez’s homer and took the win after allowing only one hit over 1 2/3 innings.

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Beloit took a 5-4 lead into the ninth inning of Saturday’s game and five runs later they posted a 10-5 victory over Peoria. The Chiefs staff surrendered 10 hits and the five runs in the ninth were scored off Luis Liria and Pete Levitt. Liria gave up four runs on three hits with three walks and a strikeout in 1 2/3 innings while Levitt allowed both inherited runners to score in relief of Liria then allowed a run of his own to cross the plate.

Javier Baez (0-for-4 with a run scored) had a rough night while Pin-Chieh Chen (0-for-2 with a walk and a RBI), Paul Hoilman (1-for-4 with a RBI) and Sergio Burruel (2-for-4 with a RBI) drove in runs.

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High Class-A – Daytona Cubs (44-60)
Wednesday was a rough day for the Daytona Cubs as they lost both ends of a doubleheader to Brevard County.

PJ Francescon struggled in game one and took the loss. Francescon gave up six runs on seven hits with four walks and no strikeouts in 3 2/3 innings. Eduardo Figueroa completed the fourth and pitched the fifth without allowing any runs. Hunter Cervenka continues to excel with the D-Cubs. Cervenka pitched two scoreless to finish out game one and has yet to allow an earned run at the High-A level.

On the offensive side, Elieser Bonne was a perfect 4-for-4 at the plate that included a pair of doubles and Matt Cerda drove in a run and scored a run in his 2-for-4 effort.

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After dropping game on 6-4, the D-Cubs were shutout in game two and lost 3-0 with all three of Brevard County’s run coming in their final at bat (top of the seventh). Frank Del Valle allowed just one hit over five shutout innings but walked three batters to go along with four strikeouts. After Jeffrey Lorick tossed a perfect sixth, Scott Weismann surrendered all three runs on three hits with a walk.

Matt Szczur swiped his 38th base of the season as part of his 2-for-3 performance. The D-Cubs managed only three hits and three walks.

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Daytona took the opener with Bradenton 9-7 on Thursday. Matt Szczur (2-for-4 with two RBI), Ronald Torreyes (1-for-5) and Rubi Silva (2-for-5) did their job at the top of the lineup. John Andreoli (2-for-3 with a triple, two RBI and a walk) stole his 36th base of the season, hit a triple and scored four runs. Rafael Lopez was 3-for-4 with two doubles, a run scored and three RBI.

Austin Kirk struggled over his six innings of work. Kirk allowed four runs on six hits with five walks and three strikeouts and Ryan Searle picked up his first save after allowing three runs on two hits with three walks and two strikeouts in his three innings of work.

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Robert Whitenack picked up his first win since returning from Tommy John surgery with five shutout frames on Friday night in Daytona’s 2-0 victory over Bradenton. Whitenack surrendered just two hits, struck out four and issued three walks on 79 pitches, 44 for strikes. Eduardo Figueroa pitched the middle three innings and AJ Morris picked up his second save with a scoreless ninth.

Rebel Ridling (2-for-4) hit his second D-Cubs’ homer in the fourth inning and Ronald Torreyes (0-for-4 with a RBI) grounded into a 6-3 fielder’s choice in the third that plated Tim Saunders after Saunders and John Andreoli pulled off a double steal earlier in Torreyes’ at bat.

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Daytona dropped Saturday night’s game to Bradenton 9-7 after battling back to tie the game with a four-run sixth inning. Ronald Torreyes (3-for-5 with a double, a home run and three RBI) had a huge night. Torreyes hit his fifth homer in the four-run sixth, a two run shot. Tim Saunders (2-for-4 with a double, a RBI and a run scored) had a good night at the plate.

Kyler Burke struggled Saturday night and gave up seven runs, five earned, on eight hits in five innings. Burke walked two and struck out six. Hunter Cervenka remained unscored upon in a D-Cubs uniform with two shutout innings but Jeff Lorick surrendered two runs, one earned, on three hits with two strikeouts in his one frame. The D-Cubs defense committed four more errors which led to three unearned runs.

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Double-A – Tennessee Smokies (50-55)
The Smokies beat the Suns 7-5 on Wednesday. Junior Lake had a night that he will not soon forget. Lake hit two home runs, drove in four and walked once in his six plate appearances. Justin Bour (3-for-4 with a double and a RBI) and Nelson Perez (2-for-5 with a home run and two RBI) each notched multi-hit games.

Dae-Eun Rhee picked up his seventh win of the season. Rhee completed five innings and gave up four runs, three earned, on nine hits without a walk and four strikeouts. Trey McNutt had one his better outings since moving to the Smokies’ pen. McNutt tossed two scoreless innings without walk a batter while striking out three. Frank Batista picked up his 18th save.

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The Smokies ended up on the wrong end of a 6-4 game Thursday night. The game became irrelevant in the fourth inning when Jae-Hoon Ha crashed into the wall in right chasing a foul ball. Ha hit his head on the concrete pad and was carried off the field on a stretcher. Ha was taken to a Jacksonville hospital for tests. Ha was responsive and talking to the Smokies’ staff.

Junior Lake continued his torrid stretch with a 3-for-5 night that included a double, a run scored, two stolen bases (14) and a RBI. Justin Bour (2-for-5 with a home run and two RBI) hit his tenth homer in the losing effort. The Smokies’ offense pounded out 12 hits but the Smokies’ awful defense committed two more errors.

Dallas Beeler struck out eight over five innings but also surrendered eight hits and issued three free passes. Tony Zych continued his struggles at the Double-A level and took the loss after allowing two runs on five hits in two innings. Zych struck out four and did not walk a batter.

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Matt Szczur made his Double-A debut on Friday night in the Smokies 6-4 loss to the Jacksonville Suns. Szczur went 0-for-4 hitting out of the leadoff spot. Junior Lake continued pounding the baseball. Lake (2-for-4 with two doubles, two RBI and a run scored) collected two doubles, drove in a pair and scored a run. Greg Rohan (2-for-4 with a home run) hit his fourth Double-A longball in the seventh inning.

Ty’Relle Harris made the start and was roughed up. Harris allowed four runs on six hits with three walks and two strikeouts in 2 2/3 innings. Casey Harman finished the third. Zach Rosscup was charged with two runs over his 3 2/3 innings without allowing a hit. Rosscup struck out six and both of the runs scored after Rosscup left the game. Rosscup issued back-to-back one-out walks in the seventh before striking out the last batter he faced. Kevin Rhoderick took over and walked the next three batters he faced to force in the two runs in what ended up being the difference in the game.

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Matt Szczur (1-for-4 with a walk and a run scored) collected his first Double-A hit and Justin Bour (2-for-4 with a home run and five RBI) hit a grand slam in the seventh inning, the first grand slam by a Smokies’ player this season, but Tennessee dropped Saturday night’s game to the Suns 8-5. The two teams pounded out 23 hits and walked a combined six times.

Nick Struck had a rough game and lasted just four innings, only the second time in 22 starts this season Struck has not completed five innings. Struck gave up four runs on seven hits with one walk and three strikeouts. Trey McNutt continued his struggles and surrendered three runs on two hits with a pair of walks and one strikeout in his 1 2/3 innings of relief.

In the end, the Smokies could not outhit the Suns on the night the red-hot Junior Lake was given the night off to rest a wrist injury. The Smokies finished their nine-game road trip with a 3-6 record.

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Triple-A – Iowa Cubs (42-66)
The I-Cubs dropped Wednesday’s game to Oklahoma City 10-8 in a game that was not as close as the final score indicates. Iowa was down 10-4 after seven before scoring four in the ninth inning. James Adduci (2-for-4 with a double, a walk and three runs scored) and Dave Sappelt (2-for-4 with a double, two RBI and a run scored) had a good game at the top of the lineup while Adrian Cardenas (2-for-5 with a run scored) notched his 18th multi-hit game of the season. Jose Vitters (0-for-5 with a RBI) had a rare 0-for in Wednesday’s loss while Brett Jackson (1-for-4 with a run scored) contributed at the plate. The I-Cubs offense continued to struggle with runners in scoring position (4-for-14) and left eight on base.

Chris Rusin had a bad night. Rusin was tagged for seven runs on 10 hits with a pair of walks in five innings. The lefty struck out seven. Frankie De La Cruz’s struggles continued. De La Cruz gave up three runs, all earned, on a pair of hits and three walks in two innings.

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The I-Cubs losing streak reached eight games Thursday with a 6-5 loss to Oklahoma City in 10 innings. Iowa took a 5-3 lead into the bottom of the 10th and once again the I-Cubs pitching staff had a bad day. Michael Bowden took the loss after allowing three runs, two earned, with three walks and a strikeout in 1 2/3 innings. Bowden could not find the strike zone. Bowden issued a leadoff walk to Jimmy Paredes then a double to Brandon Barnes. After walking J.B. Shuck to load the bases, Bowden retired Fernando Martinez on a flyout to right. Bowden then struck out Mike Hessman. But pinch-hitter Chris Wallace ripped a single into left that James Adduci misplayed and Adduci’s error allowed Shuck to score all the way from first with the game winner.

Casey Coleman started Thursday’s game and gave up three runs on seven hits without a walk to go along with five strikeouts. Esmailin Caridad finished the sixth and Jay Jackson pitched two scoreless frames.

Iowa’s first baseman, Josh Vitters made up for his 0-for the night before with a 3-for-4 performance that include a double, a triple, a walk, a RBI and a run scored. Brett Jackson had a rough night (0-for-3 with a walk and three strikeouts) but James Adduci (4-for-5 with a home run, a double, a run scored and two RBI) had a very good night before the bottom of the tenth. Adduci hit his first Triple-A homer as part of his four-hit performance.

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The I-Cubs losing streak came to an end on Friday night behind a tremendous start from Chris Volstad. Volstad tossed eight innings of shutout ball in Iowa’s 5-0 win over Oklahoma City. Volstad surrendered only four hits, walked three and struck out five on 102 pitches, 72 for strikes.

Alfredo Amezaga (3-for-5 with a run scored) set the table at the top of the lineup but it was Brett Jackson (1-for-4 with a RBI and a run scored) and Dave Sappelt (1-for-3 with a triple, two RBI, a walk and a stolen base) that drove in three of Iowa’s five runs. Adrian Cardenas (2-for-4 with a double and a run scored) doubled in four trips to the plate.

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The I-Cubs ran into Jacob Turner making his first start in the Marlins system after being acquired earlier in the week from the Tigers … and one of the top pitching prospects in the game shutdown Iowa’s offense. Iowa lost 2-1 and managed only five hits on Saturday night.

Brett Jackson (1-for-3 with a home run, a stolen base and a walk) provided the I-Cubs only run with his 15th longball of the season. Josh Vitters (1-for-3 with a walk and a stolen base), Adrian Cardenas (1-for-4) and Blake Lalli (1-for-4) collected singles but Jackson delivered the only extra base knock of the night.

Brooks Raley took the loss after putting together a good outing. Raley allowed two runs on six hits with four walks and eight strikeouts over six innings. Marcus Hatley had a good night. Hatley tossed two scoreless frames, stuck out four, gave up one hit and walked a batter.

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News and Notes
Jae-Hoon Ha was placed on the 7-day DL with a concussion. Ha is expected to miss 7-14 days. Matt Szczur was promoted to Double-A Tennessee. RHP Jairo Asencio cleared waivers and was outrighted to Triple-A Iowa.

According to Baseball America, the Cubs released 1B Ryan Cuneo and transferred OF Rashad Crawford to the 60-day DL.

The CCO’s Prospect Watch

  • Javier Baez (IF) – .333/.388/.603/.991 with eight doubles, five triples, 11 home runs and 19 stolen bases (Peoria Chiefs)
  • Jeimer Candelario (3B) – .282/.349/.410/.759 with five doubles and five home runs (Boise Hawks)
  • Zeke DeVoss (2B) – .230/.367/.332/.700 with 18 doubles, four triples, three home runs and 28 stolen bases (Peoria Chiefs)
  • Junior Lake (IF) – .293/.349/.438/.781 with 16 doubles, two triples, seven home runs and 14 stolen bases (Tennessee Smokies)
  • Matt Szczur (OF) – .295/.394/.407/.801 with 19 doubles, four triples, two home runs and 38 stolen bases (Daytona Cubs)
  • Ronald Torreyes (2B) – .257/.318/.378/.695 with 18 doubles, three triples, five home runs and 12 stolen bases (Daytona Cubs)
  • Josh Vitters (3B/1B) – .303/.356/.510/.867 with 31 doubles, two triples and 15 home runs (Iowa Cubs)
  • Dan Vogelbach (1B) – .421/.450/.579/1.029 with three doubles (Boise Hawks)
  • Robert Whitenack (RHP) – 1-5 with a 6.63 ERA and a 1.94 WHIP, 24 strikeouts, 18 walks and 53 hits allowed in 36 2/3 innings (Daytona Cubs)
  • Tony Zych (RHP) – 0-1 with a 7.00 ERA and a 2.22 WHIP, 14 strikeouts, four walks and 16 hits allowed in nine innings (Tennessee Smokies)

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  • Vivid_Reality

    I would love to see the organization be aggressive with Chadd Krist. He performed well at Boise and has absolutely crushed at Peoria so far. With our lack of impact catching in the system, he could be starting in the bigs by 2014 if he keeps producing. Hopefully we caught lighting in a bottle.

    Scouting report on Krist coming out of high school:

    Chadd
    Krist is a 2008 C 1B/OF with a 5’11”, 185 lb. frame from Petaluma, CA
    who attends Petaluma HS. He was selected as a Top Prospect and we feel
    that he is one of the better uncommitted senior catchers we have seen.
    Krist is a good baseball player with a very good all-around game. He
    has an average frame and a lean, strong build that is well-proportioned.
    He is a talented defensive player and a good hitter. In all he is a
    very strong D1 prospect. Krist is a gap to gap hitter with good bat
    speed and an aggressive nature. He showed easy pull side power and
    drives through the baseball at contact. Krist hits with a really good
    lower half base that provides power from the ground up. He swings
    aggressively but maintains balance throughout. His power is a little
    surprising given his average size. Defensively he is an excellent
    receiver with soft hands and quiet actions. He has a quick catch/throw
    transfer and a consistently accurate arm delivering pop times at 2.0 and
    below in game situations. Krist is also a hard working catcher and has
    very good block/control skills. It is not hard to envision him
    starting at a major D1 program by his sophomore year and splitting time
    his freshman year.

    Needless to say, I am pretty pumped to see him and Baez in game action Monday night.

    • Zonk

      That scouting report is at least 4 years old, from when he was a senior in high school. Got a newer one?
      He had a nice start and was promoted, but let’s see more than 29 total pro games before we get too excited

      • Vivid_Reality

        I misread your comment earlier, that was the only scouting report I found.

  • Tony_Hall

    To expand on Torreyes, who has certainly figured things out at High A now.

    “2B Ronanld Torreyes is a hitting machine. How did we ever doubt him? Ben Badler of Baseball America said today (via Twitter), that Torreyes will continue to surprise people. He had 3 more hits, a walk, 2 RBI, and 2 run scored. After an abysmal May in which he hit .137, he’s hitting .328. Overall, he’s raised his average to .263 and his OPS to .708. They’re not outstanding numbers until you consider how low his numbers were after the first two months.”

    • Zonk

      Thanks Tony, I’ve been saying all along that he was ridiculously un-lucky in May; he was putting the bat on the ball, they just weren’t falling for hits. If you look at Torreyes’s minor league record, he can make contact, period.
      The key for him is going to be whether he develops any power; he is a plus defensive 2B, and can make contact, but needs some pop. Not tons, but at least doubles power.

  • redlarczykg

    If the Sox Jose Quintana was in the Cubs farm system, he’d probably be still be pitching a AA Tenn. The new ‘Cubs Way’ won’t allow “player development” to vilolate their ridged rules.

    • Zonk

      I don’t understand your criticism; is there a pitcher you think the Cubs are somehow holding back?

      • redlarczykg

        Loosen should be at AA Tenn and Batista should be at AAA Iowa. Just check out their stats.

        • Zonk

          Batista was up at Iowa earlier, and was roughly handled. I don’t know Loosen. Neither is considered an impact pitcher, or even much of a prospect.
          I don’t see any major league prospects being held back. Because we don’t have many major league prospects

        • RynoTiger

          so it’s just 2 players you’re talking about? I just want to make sure it’s just 2…..2 players and their handling that means the entire “Cubs Way” is gone to heck and not working
          just wanted to make sure i’m clarifying that..just 2, right?
          Uno, Dos..2?
          I, II..2?
          1+1=2?
          2×1=2?
          Just wanted to make sure that’s all it takes to say something isn’t working.
          Cause if that’s the case, then I’ve got a nice long list of things in the world that are clearly not working.

    • Zonk

      Theo and Co. have a pretty good track record of developing minor league talent. The Red Sox won 2 world seriers under his watch, and home grown talent was a key reason.
      Let’s give them more than 3 months to see if their way works. It certainly did better than what were doing over the same span.

      • paulcatanese

        Zonk,they both have a good track record, and I wouldnt complain about their resume, at least over the past few years. Having said that, the players they have
        brought in are not what I would call franchise builders. With the exception of Rizzo, nada.
        No blame on either though on the attempt to make the trade with Atlanta, that deserves kudo’s, and that what was the turning point IMO for this year. It really puts them in the hole trying to make other deals,probably to next year at the earliest.
        I belive had that deal gone down, Theo and Jed would be well on the way to get things done.
        Addendum: DeJesus has not been a bad pick-up either, he is playing well.

        • Zonk

          I agree, though it’s very difficult to acquire impact players. You need to give one up to get one generally, so I can’t fault Theo and Co. for brining in only 1 impact player so far (Rizzo). Why would other teams give us impact talent? It’s not like we have given up impact talent in return.
          The fact is we are going to have to be patient while we draft impact players. That’s the only way.

        • Ripsnorter1

          DeJesus for $5 million per????

          He’s Funko. No speed. No power. Average glove.

          And here’s the proof….

          DeJesus…..270 BA….358…390 slug
          Funko……273 BA……374…..369 slug

      • BosephHeyden

        Not really. Besides the fact that the 2004 World Series team’s farm system was built by the previous management, the team was built upon guys like Kevin Millar, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon, and other good, established players. The 2007 World Series team did have two guys from the Theo created farm system in Dustin Pedroia and Jacoby Ellisbury, but besides those two, it was a decidedly non-prospect team with guys like Mike Lowell and JD Drew.

        • triple

          Yes the 2004 team was built up already, however, Theo was responsibly for signing Kevin Millar, David Ortiz, and Bill Mueller who all hand their hand in the 2004 championship. So while there were already good parts there, Theo added many impact FA players for the 2004 run, not to mention shipping Matt Murton and Nomar away, and getting Minckewicz (sp? and kind of a bust for them) and Orlando Cabrera who did contribute in the stretch run and postseason. So to say that Theo didn’t make a direct impact in 2004 is very wrong.

          • BosephHeyden

            Read the original and argument. And then explain to me how those guys have anything to do with MINOR LEAGUE DEVELOPMENT.

            And, for the record, that Nomar trade was an awful trade for the Red Sox. Orlando Cabrera and Nomar had very little difference in their numbers for that last stretch of the season and Mienkwitcz was a complete bust. That cost them two prospects (Greenberg may have developed into a good outfielder had he not taken a fastball to the head in his first AB, and Murton was a good player whose career was absolutely butchered by poor management from the Cubs that lead to him sitting on the bench more often than playing) and one of their leaders.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Brett Jackson has had an off year….
    384 AB….150 K..44 BB…255 BA…15 HR….337 OBP….482 slug

    • Zonk

      Really the main down part is having 150Ks through 100 games…..that’s really bad. That’s a 225K pace over 160 game season (roughly). That’s Adam Dunn numbers.
      B-Jax is LUCKY to be batting .255

      • Ripsnorter1

        Brett Jackson, if given 600 AB, and if he fanned at the same rate at the ML level as he does in AAA (highly unlikely), would fan 234 times.

        500 AB? 195 K.

        But I expect a guy like that to fan even more at the big league level since the competition is so much better.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Josh Vitters is having his best year since 2009 for BA.and slug…
    .302 BA….506 slug…

    But having said that, I actually agree with Team Theo (!) about not bringing him up just yet. If you look at his history, he usually has trouble adjusting to the next level for that first year. Then the next year he makes the adjustment. 2012 is his good year at AAA. I’d not swamp him by having him take the big jump to MLB before September. After all, we’ve got Valbeuna holding down the hot corner……197 BA….339 slugging (hey, that’s Tony Campana territory!). LOL

    • cubtex

      Who cares? We have Valbuena and his .200 batting average lol

      • paulcatanese

        And Valbuena is another lefty, the Cubs need that:):)

    • Zonk

      For once I agree…..Vitters needs to stay down and show a full year, but a September call-up is in order.
      Valbuena was DFA’ed by Cleveland for a reason……..

  • cubtex

    Michael Bowden is killing Iowa. He has blown saves in his last 2 outings. He couldn’t hold a 2 run lead in extra innings a week ago and last night, he walked the bases loaded…….and then walked in the tying run. Brutal!

    • Ripsnorter1

      And your point is……?

      Do I need to remind you that Bowden is a Team Theo pickup. He’s therefore perfect for your Chicago Cubs.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

        again with the “your” Cubs, if they arent “your” cubs too, why do you insist on gracing us with your presence. For those of us here, it should be “OUR” Cubs.

        Hows the weather up on that High Horse of yours Rip?

        • Ripsnorter1

          Perhaps you’ve never been to a game, where they announce “Here are your Chicago Cubs?”

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

            Perhaps you have a hard time understanding the english language, context clues, possession, etc. They are announcing it like that there because we are all fans, so they are ours. The way you say it is as though they are not yours, they are ours. And if you do not wish to claim them then, beat it!

        • paulcatanese

          dont think Rip is out of line, I always refer to the Cubs as “the Cubs”, or they, as they are not mine, I do not own them, and any decisions are not mine, but “Cub decisions”,
          or OMI, if I respond. I am just a fan and actually feel its a slight to infer otherwise.
          No dis-respect Mike, just as I see it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

            Its all in his tone paul. Everything is snippy and condescending. Referring to them as “the Cubs” as opposed to “my Cubs” like you are saying is fine. But he breaks out the YOUR CUBS as though he wants no part of them. And quite frankly we do have ownership of our fanaticism of the Cubs, they are most certainly “Ours.”

      • RynoTiger

        hey Rip, are you ever going to just come out and say that you hate Team Theo and you wish they were never chosen and then list the real reasons why?

  • Zonk

    Tom, what do you think the plan is on Baez?
    Offensively, looks like he’s ready to advance, but I know defensively he may not be (plus, he needs a little ego adjustment apparently)

    • paulcatanese

      Zonk, the ego adjustment is an understatement. He is proving he can hit, maybe thinks that the glove is beneath his talents, with the bat overiding all other bad habits.
      The more he hits the higher his head gets in the clouds.
      What did Berra say? The game is nintey percent mental, and the other half physical, or something like that.
      When and only then he gets his head together, he will certainly be a viable assest.

      • Zonk

        That could very well be why he isn’t getting advanced. I was being polite; he has a reputation of being an ****hole to put it mildly.
        Contrast that with Szczur, who has a reputation of being polite, coachable, and hard working. He doesn’t have Baez’s talent, but at this point figures to get more out of what he has

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Zonk, I know you asked Tom. He’s out this week. I think they will leave him in Peoria for the remainder of the season. He’s doing well and is showing improvement with working counts, in the field and learning how to play the game the right way.

  • redlarczykg

    Theo and Jed add to the long history of Cub Baseball experts.
    like John Holland, Bob Kennedy, Andy MacPhail, Don Baylor, Dusty Baker, Jim Hendry, and Lou Piniella.
    Isn’t great to have two baseball geniuses guiding our Cub’s future!

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      I think it is pretty nice to have those 2. I wouldn’t categorize them with the former mentioned whatsoever. Completely different, forward-thinking mindset.

  • daverj

    How about Soriano, Dempster, LaHair and Baker to the Dodgers for nothing? Dodgers likely wouldn’t bite, but I’d guess the Cubs have made that offer to free themselves of Soriano’s contract for 2013 and 2014.

    • paulcatanese

      Soriono remains in the talks with the Dodgers for Dempster.
      Both are having outstanding years for the Cubs. Who started the
      addition of Soriono in that deal? Was it the Cubs or the Dodgers,
      (don’t really know), but if the Cubs are to include Soriono in that deal, the return should be significant and not for just anyone.
      Both Soriono and Dempster may go down next year, but as far as helping a team to the playoffs they are very valuable right now, and the return should be the same.

      • DWalker

        Dodgers want everything for nothing and think the cubs will be buisness as usual and cave. Not too keen on the bend over comment from rosenthal. I really hope at some point in the next few hours they just call dempster in and say, “hey look, the dodgers don’t value you enough to make trading you worth it, they won’t even give a real prospect for you. we are telling them to go suck eggs. the only question now is atlanta, yes or no?”

        • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

          From Jim Bowden: “If the Cubs call the Braves with the same Dempster deal and have a signed document from Dempster approving it….it could still get done.” I wouldnt count out the Braves just yet. Dodgers will either pony up or the Braves deal is gonna happen.

        • paulcatanese

          Agree, things could just get very one-sided. At this point I just hope anything else that has been on the table isn’t being side-tracked to get a deal with the Dodgers. Time is going very fast now.

        • daverj

          Agreed on the Dodgers. But if the Nats want to hand over a legit prospect for him, I’d give Dempster that option in addition to Atlanta.

      • An the V is for Harry

        where did you hear/read this Soriano rumor ?

        • paulcatanese

          espn for one, twitter. Dont like it, but its out there.

    • paulcatanese

      Daverj, not a good deal with Soriono, as at the very least, the Cubs would have to pay a substantial part of his contract, so they would be out anyway.

    • Zonk

      IIRC, I think the Dodgers are trying to keep the payroll low…which helps us with Dempster, as we are willing to pay $$$ to get better prospects back.
      Like anything with Soriano, it all boils down to how much of the contract the Cubs will pay. I don’t think ANYONE will pick up the whole contract.

    • BosephHeyden

      Why even bother freeing up money? From what the management team has said, they’re focusing on spending on scouting and international prospects, neither of which requires a lot of money (unless they’re that adamant about having a farm system full of Concepcion’s).

  • ChadAudio

    It’s interesting to see Vitters getting more and more time at 1B. It feels more like they are just planning on trading him away for some pitching…. And/Or, making room for a Junior Lake call-up?

    I also agree with most here that Vitters shouldn’t get called up earlier then September this year…. this season is a lost cause… just let him develop.

    • Zonk

      Vitters has had a few 1B starts lately, but I don’t read too much into it. I think the Cubs are committed to seeing if he can make it as a 3B, because a) he has the physical tools, b) his bat profiles better there, and c) we have a need at the ML level (ahem).
      If Vitters continues to hit, I think he’ll come up in September, and open 2013 as our 3B, but we would need a backup plan in case he flops at this level

      • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

        The thing is that based on Vitters track record he will flop at the big league level, at least to start. The thing is how long of a leash is given to him to figure it out and recover like he has done at just about each level hes been at. After his rough beginings and adjustment periods hes shown himself to be a very competent hitter. The main issue remains the glove. I can see him holding down 3rd for a year or two till Baez or Candaleria are brought in to play 3rd. If Vitters is still hitting and his defense isnt where it should be, then he could end up in the OF at that point or shipped off in a trade. Depending on how crowded our OF is at that time.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Lots of info coming in, I would recommend for the latest to follow the Twitter feed on the right side of the site or @TheCCO

    Will have a trade deadline post up tomorrow.

  • Skeldor

    Zach Lee, Allen Webster and Chris Reed are all off the table according to Kevin Goldstein of baseball prospectus. If the Cubs trade Dempster to the Dodgers then Theo and Jed just got a reputation as being pushovers. I hope they walk away and have other teams to deal with.

    • BosephHeyden

      I couldn’t agree with you more. Lee and Webster were all potential, no production prospects anyways, and the Cubs have had plenty of those fail on them over the past ten years alone.

  • J Daniel

    Sure many of you have seen:

    Latest On Ryan DempsterBy Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 2:41pm CST]2:41pm: Dodgers pitching prospects Zach Lee, Allen Webster, and Chris Reed are all off the table in Dempster talks, tweets Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus.

  • paulcatanese

    Just heard, Zambrano to Miami bullpen, some things just dont change.

    • triple

      Now that is hilarious! I’ve always been a fan of Z’s, but definitely soured in the last couple seasons of the “same old story.” And I still am happier with Volstad in AAA than Z in the Cubs clubhouse.