Cubs Down on the Farm Report – 07/26/12

Movement was once again the focus of the early part of the week, although there were none of significance above the Single-A level.

This past week saw the debuts of outfielders Jorge Soler and Albert Almora in the rookie league, while Dan Vogelbach said hello to the fans of Boise. Yao-Lin Wang was also on the move in Peoria, as he went back into a starting role after leading the team in saves. And it was “thank you for the two scoreless innings” from Iowa to Ty’Relle Harris, “but now, go back to Tennessee”.

With recaps of the Arizona Rookie League and the Dominican Summer League, here is today’s Down on the Farm Report.

Note: Monday’s report will cover games from Wednesday to Saturday. Thursday’s report covers games Sunday through Tuesday.

Short Season-A – Boise Hawks (14-25)
The losing streak for Boise has now grown to five games, as they lost on Sunday to Eugene 8-1. James Pugliese was battered by the Emeralds’ attack, allowing seven earned runs in four innings. Michael Heesch remained perfect, as he held down Eugene for two scoreless innings and struck out three batters. Eduardo Orozco also went two innings with three strikeouts, but gave up an earned run. Willson Contreras (1-for-4) came home on a wild pitch for the Hawks’ only run. Xavier Batista was 1-for-4 with a double.

With some great pitching, the Hawks broke their losing streak by beating Eugene 3-0. Tayler Scott struck out four in six innings as he raised his season record to 2-1. Hayden Simpson was also throwing up zeroes, as he went two innings and had a strikeout. Matt Iannazzo picked up his first save in a 1-2-3 ninth.

Gioskar Amaya was back in form at leadoff as he was 3-for-4 with an RBI and two stolen bases. Stephen Bruno drove in two, as he was 2-for-4 with a double. Trey Martin added a double as part of a 1-for-3 performance, while Jeimer Candelario was 1-for-4.

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Boise almost pulled off the improbable on Tuesday, a combined no-hitter, as they made it two in a row with a 2-1 win over Yakima. Ian Dickson no-hit the Bears through six innings (although scorers would change one error to a hit after the game) with four strikeouts. Hunter Ackerman had three strikeouts with one earned run allowed in 2.1 innings. Earning his first save, Michael Hamann got the last two outs. Dan Vogelbach made his debut for the Hawks and went 2-for-4 with a double. Jeimer Candelario broke out of a mini-slump with a 2-for-4 efforts that included a double and a RBI.

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Low Class-A – Peoria Chiefs (46-53)
For the second day in a row, Peoria ended up on the wrong end of a tight ballgame, as they lost 3-2 to South Bend on Sunday. Starling Peralta gave the Chiefs a solid starting effort. Peralta allowed three runs (two earned) in six innings. Sheldon McDonald stopped the Silver Hawks the rest of the way, striking out three in two scoreless innings. Both runs came on a Dustin Geiger (1-for-4) home run with Pin-Chieh Chen (1-for-4, stolen base) aboard. Sergio Burruel was 2-for-3.

Make it three in a row as Peoria lost out in a pitcher’s duel on Monday, bowing to South Bend 2-0. The Chiefs managed only two hits, doubles by Chadd Krist and Yaniel Cabezas. Yao-Lin Wang made his second start after recoding 12 saves in the bullpen. Wang struck out five in 3.2 scoreless innings. Jeffry Antigua kept pace, as he held the Silver Hawks scoreless for 2.1 innings with three strikeouts. But Luis Liria was touched up for two earned runs in 1.1 innings, and Austin Reed recorded the final two outs.

High Class-A – Daytona Cubs (43-56)
After having their last two games cancelled by rain, Daytona was back in action on Tuesday as they beat Brevard County 4-3. Matt Loosen was finally able to take the mound and was ready. Loosen struck out eight and allowed two earned runs over six innings. Ryan Searle had two punch-outs in a scoreless inning, and AJ Morris picked up a save after giving up an earned run with three strikeouts in two innings.

Rubi Silva took over the league lead in triples with a 2-for-4 performance that included two RBI and his 11th triple of the season. Matt Szczur was 1-for-3 with an RBI and a stolen base. John Andreoli also swiped a base and he is tied with Szczur for the league lead in stolen bases (34). Ronald Torreyes also collected a stolen base as part of his 1-for-4 effort.

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Double-A – Tennessee Smokies (49-52)
Sunday saw the completion of Saturday’s suspended game with Chattanooga, as pitching didn’t seem to matter to both clubs with the Lookouts defeating the Smokies 12-11 in 11 innings. Dallas Beeler was rocked for five earned runs in 4.1 innings. Tony Zych finished the fifth inning and gave up two more earned runs. Marcus Hatley let in an earned run in two innings of work, while Frank Batista was the only Tennessee pitcher to go untouched. Batista tossed two scoreless innings. Both Kevin Rhoderick and Casey Harman allowed two earned runs for Chattanooga that proved to be the margin of victory for the Lookouts. Justin Bour was 2-for-6 with a two-run home run. Pinch hitter Nelson Perez also went yard as he was 1-for-2, while Logan Watkins was 3-for-6.

Sunday’s regularly scheduled game saw Tennessee jump out to an 8-1 lead just to hold on for an 8-4 win over Chattanooga. Nick Struck was at the top of his game. Struck went five innings and allowed an earned run with two strikeouts. Zach Rosscup was impressive with five strikeouts over three scoreless frames. But Trey McNutt continued to struggle. McNutt gave up three earned runs in ninth. Nelson Perez (1-for-5) drove in two, while Michael Burgess also plated a couple of runs with a pinch-hit double. Junior Lake, Logan Watkins and Dustin Harrington were each 2-for-4 with an RBI, while Jae-Hoon Ha was 2-for-5.

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After Monday’s off day, the Smokies looked refreshed on Tuesday as they defeated Jacksonville 9-2. Starting pitcher Eric Jokisch was very good over his five innings of work. Jokisch struck out eight and allowed an earned run. Newly recalled Brian Schlitter worked 1.2 scoreless innings and struck out two batters. Kevin Rhoderick was hung with an unearned run in his 1.1 innings. Casey Weathers struck out two as he finished it out for Tennessee.

Picking an offensive star would be difficult, as Nelson Perez was 3-for-4 with a double, RBI, and stolen base. Greg Rohan (2-for-4) slugged his second home run and added a double. Michael Burgess was 2-for-3, while Junior Lake went 2-for-5 with a home run and two RBI.

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Triple-A – Iowa Cubs (41-63)
Sunday’s game with Albuquerque was never as close as the score indicates, as Iowa was blown out 9-5. The Isotopes posted six runs before the I-Cubs scored their first, courtesy of starter Chris Volstad. Volstad went five innings and gave up six runs (five earned). Recently called back up to Iowa, Ty’Relle Harris tossed two scoreless innings and struck out three batters. Frankie De La Cruz then allowed three earned runs in the final inning. Josh Vitters was the whole show for the Iowa offense. Vitters went 2-for-4 with a three-run home run.

It was get-away day on Monday, as a matinee saw Iowa lose to Albuquerque 3-1. Brooks Raley did not have a bad effort, allowing three runs (two earned) and striking out eight in five innings. Esmailin Caridad pitched two while Michael Bowden added a scoreless inning, but the offense was nowhere to be seen. Brian Esposito was the lone highlight. Esposito was 2-for-3 with a double and an RBI.

Iowa opened a series with Oklahoma City on Tuesday, and were thrashed 15-9 for their sixth loss in a row. Starter Rodrigo Lopez was simply awful. Lopez allowed eight earned runs in 3.2 innings. Ryan Rowland-Smith wasn’t much better, giving up three earned runs in 1.2 innings. Jay Jackson pitched only 0.2 innings and allowed another earned run. Just up from Tennessee, Marcus Hatley was shelled for three earned runs in just an inning of work. Alberto Cabrera was finally able to get through an inning without allowing anyone to cross the plate. While Welington Castillo was 3-for-5 with a double and an RBI, most of the offense was too little, too late. Dave Sappelt and Diory Hernandez (double and an RBI) were each 2-for-4. Brett Jackson (1-for-4) smacked his 14th home run.

Arizona Rookie League
It’s a new beginning for the AZL Cubs, as they said goodbye to Dan Vogelbach and hello to Albert Almora and Jorge Soler. Despite the changes, the Cubs kept winning as they maintained their 1.5 game lead with a 20-7 record. Vogelbach was promoted to Boise, turning the reins over to Soler. Jorge Soler has slugged two home runs and knocked in five in 16 at bats. Corner infielders Jacob Rogers and Ben Carhart remain the offensive leaders. Rogers is hitting .400 with two homers and 11 RBI, while Carhart has driven in 13, along with a home run and a .382 average. Shawon Dunston Jr. seems to have gotten his swing back. Dunston Jr. is now hitting .286 with two doubles, two triples, a homer and five RBI.

Carlos Martinez-Pumarino and David Henrie remain the leaders in innings pitched while Martinez-Pumarino also leads the squad with 22 strikeouts to go along with a 3-0 record, 1.21 ERA, and 0.85 WHIP. Henrie was hit hard in his last outing but still leads the team with a 4-1 record with a 5.32 ERA and 1.36 WHIP. Erstwhile closers Alvido Jimenez (1-2, 3.50, 18 innings, 16 strikeouts, 1.00 WHIP) and Jin-Young Kim (0-1, 2.45, 7.1 innings, six strikeouts, 1.23 WHIP) will now have to look over their respective shoulders at 12th round pick Justin Amlung. Amlung hasn’t allowed a run and has struck out six in six innings.

Dominican Summer League
Cubs-1 has tumbled to fourth place in the Baseball City division, now with a record of 20-22. First baseman Roney Alcala has dropped out of the top ten in batting. Alcala has a .340 average, tied for the team lead in home runs with five while leading the team with 28 RBI. Infielder Jenner Emeterio remained solid and is hitting .338 with two home runs while driving in 15 runs. Outfielder Roberto Caro has cooled but is still batting .300 with 16 RBI and 10 stolen bases. Outfielder Jeffrey Baez is tied for second in the league with 23 stolen bases, but his average has dropped to .261. Right-hander Carlos A. Rodriguez is tenth in the league with 49 strikeouts, with an ERA of 1.79 and a 0.95 WHIP. Seventeen-year old lefty Jose Paulino (2-3 with a 4.14 ERA and a 1.22 WHIP) is right behind Rodriguez with 43 strikeouts.

The Cubs-2 team has moved to 8.5 games out of first place, and their 24-20 record is third in the Boca Chica South division. Catcher-first baseman Jhonny Pena remains the team leader with a .343 average. Outfielder Shamil Ubiera stayed in the top 20 in the league with a .331 average that includes two homers and 26 RBI. Infielder Bryant Flete stayed hot and is hitting .318 with 11 RBI. Leading the team in steals is outfielder Kelvin Encarnacion (12) to go along with a .310 average that includes five home runs and 22 RBI. Right-hander Daury Torres (5-1 with 31 strikeouts) remains among the league leaders in ERA (0.91, fifth in the league) while his 0.77 WHIP is sixth. Eighteen-year old lefty Chris Pieters has seen more action recently, and is 2-2 with a 2.52 ERA in 25 innings. Alexander Santana remains a workhorse. The 18-year old has tossed 39.1 innings and posted a 1-2 record and ERA of 2.82, with 33 strikeouts and a 1.15 WHIP.

News and Notes
The Chicago Cubs assigned OF Albert Almora to the AZL Cubs. The Iowa Cubs assigned RHP Ty’Relle Harris to the Tennessee Smokies. The Tennessee Smokies assigned RHP Ty’Relle Harris to the Iowa Cubs; assigned RHP Marcus Hatley to the Iowa Cubs. The Daytona Cubs assigned RHP Brian Schlitter to the Tennessee Smokies. The AZL Cubs assigned IF Dan Vogelbach to the Boise Hawks.

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  • Aaron

    Tom,

    First of all…great report.

    Secondly, I want you and all others on this site to take a look at the following quotes from Dempster so that everyone can see why Cubs fans SHOULD be pissed at Dempster. I have included those comments below….

    Lastly, to those who have said Dempster has been such a great pitcher for the Cubs over the years, blah blah blah….it needs further examination:
    3.92 ERA, 23 games, 20 IP, 16 hits, 13 walks, 18 K’s, 1.403 WHIP
    3.13 ERA, 63 games, 6 starts, 92 IP, 83 hits, 49 walks, 89 K’s, 1.435 WHIP
    4.80 ERA, 74 games, 75 IP, 77 hits, 36 walks, 67 K’s, 1.507 WHIP
    4.73 ERA, 66 games, 66 IP, 59 hits, 30 walks, 55 K’s, 1.335 WHIP
    2.96 ERA, 33 starts, 206 IP, 174 hits, 76 walks, 187 K’s, 1.210 WHIP
    3.65 ERA, 31 starts, 200 IP, 196 hits, 65 walks, 172 K’s, 1.305 WHIP
    3.85 ERA, 34 starts, 215 IP, 198 hits, 86 walks, 208 K’s, 1.319 WHIP
    4.80 ERA, 34 starts, 202 IP, 211 hits, 82 walks, 191 K’s, 1.448 WHIP
    2.25 ERA, 16 starts, 104 IP, 81 hits, 27 walks, 83 K’s, 1.051 WHIP

    ….in other words, he’s an average pitcher, who has had some downright terrible years mixed in with some good ones. He’s about as inconsistent as it gets, so in other words, he fits right in with a majority of the players on the team…which would tell you why he’s so comfortable with the Cubs.

    *****************************************************************************
    http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-cubs/2012/7/25/3186562/ryan-dempster-trade-chicago-cubs-rumors-braves-dodgers

    In June, Dempster told ESPN Radio the following:”I think I would be doing everybody in that locker room and anybody who is a Cubs fan and most importantly the Cubs organization a huge disservice if I didn’t put all my focus and attention on trying to make my start and do the best I can to help us win,” Dempster said Wednesday on The Waddle & Silvy Show. “By doing that you’re ultimately helping the team.You’re in a situation where if it does happen they are going to do what’s best for the Chicago Cubs, and I’m all for that.””I don’t know what direction they want to go, I don’t know any of those answers,” Dempster continued later. “Whatever it ends up being I’ll have to take a look at it and see what’s the best for me, best for the Cubs and I respect that and I understand that.”Hopefully I’m here, but if not it’s somewhere that can ultimately give them the best opportunity to improve the Cubs for the future. I believe I’m a part of that and trying to help us for the future and help us for the present as well.”Cut to scene of Dempster blocking the trade to Atlanta. Cubs fans are upset at the moment, and they should be.*****************************************************************************

    • http://www.facebook.com/craig.york.52 Craig York

      Can we please stop with the whole dempster issue. I am upset just as everyone else is. However demp has been in the league for 14 years and has earned the right to decide where he wants to play. Hopefully by this time next week he will be gone but until then let’s just wait and see what happens and stop dempster

    • Zonk

      I agree that Dempster has been decent, but not amazing for us. I also think he’s pitched over his head this year.
      The reason I can’t criticize him is because I am not privy to everything that happened behing the scenes, what conversations happened and when. And until we are, none of us can know what really happened; it’s all speculation.
      It’s business, we have to move on

    • redlarczykg

      Dempster was homeless and injured when the Cubs picked him off the trash heep and paid him while nursing him back to health. To protect his arm, the Cubs offered him the chance to do short relief. When he wanted to start, the Cubs gave him that chance. He was paid well and always treated with respect. The Cub fans have honored him.
      Now, when has a chance to show his gratitude, he instead shows that he’s a phony. Only thinking about himself.
      Yes, he has earned the right to determine where he is traded. And the Cubs fans have every right to boo his butt out of town. Goodbye trader!

    • paulcatanese

      Agree Aaron,just cannot bring myself to comment on this guy anymore.

      • Aaron

        I never intended to comment on the situation, until more came out, such as revisiting his previous comments about doing what’s right for the team long-term, especially with the return they get in a trade for him, so long as it’s to a contender to the comments made by Frank Wren of the Braves that was pretty damning to Dempster.

        What I have taken away from all of this is the fact that Dempster’s true comfort zone….as it was with Derrek Lee and even ARAM, was the fact that they were comfortable playing on a losing team, because not much was expected out of them. The takeaway for other GM’s trying to deal for them (or if they considered signing them after the season) was that that player was NOT a winner.

        The funny thing is, both Lee and Dempster seem to be using family as a cop-out to staying, especially with children who have/had medical issues as a reason to stick around. Nobody in their right mind in the media would dare question that, because it’d be seen as heartless. Yet, what they do NOT focus on is the fact that both Lee and Dempster were lying….using their situations as a cop-out. Lee turned down 2 trades in favor of Atlanta, using 10-and-5 rights, and the Cubs got a crap return, because the Braves knew they were backed into a corner. Why would Lee even accept a deal to the Braves if it truly was about “family issues”.

        Furthermore, why would Dempster only accept a deal to the Dodgers if it was truly about “family issues”. Doesn’t that tell you something?

        If I’m the Cubs, I force him to finish the season on a losing team, rather than give him an opportunity to win a ring (if it means only a trade with the Dodgers would work). If after offering arbitration, he accepts, it further proves that he’s NOT a winner, because the Cubs aren’t expected to compete for another 2 years, and the Cubs would be offering the 1 year roughly $12 million in arbitration.

        I happen to agree with Buster Olney that the Cubs should make it abundantly clear to him that if he signs the deal, he’s going to the pen as a middle reliever. Most expensive middle reliever in history? Nope, that designation belongs to Zambrano, but it would prove a point to him, along with other 10-and-5 guys that while they do have the right to block trades…if a team is trying to move you to a contender, and give you an opportunity to win a ring…and they have a decent offer on the table and you refuse (after apparently listing that team as a likely destination), then you deserve to be on a losing team.

        • paulcatanese

          Again Aaron. I wholeheartedly agree, and the comparison to Aram and Lee is very accurate.

        • J Daniel

          100% accurate and very well said on all accounts!

        • mutantbeast

          Frankly, I dont see why any FA would want to go to any California team that badly. Sure, the weather is nice, but the economy is terrible out there. 14 M a year is like 10 mill say in the midwest or Southern teams. And the fans are very much fair weather types.

          • paulcatanese

            Correct if you’re talking about the Dodgers, fans dont show until the 2nd or 3rd and then leave after the Dodgers have hit in the 7th.
            Giants draw pretty well, due to the ballpark, a beautiful park,and being that the Giants are playing well over the last several years.
            But the economy is just as you say, terrible.

  • Zonk

    Vogelbach has done well so far, and shows promise; I did check some video, and physically he is still huge; he might be fatter than when he was drafted. Hope that’s not a problem down the road

    • paulcatanese

      Zonk, Vogelbach is just a growing boy, just needs to channel it vertically and instead of horizontally:)

      • kevb197731

        If he stays healthy looks like he may be a stud in the future. You think maybe they can either move Rizzo to the outfield in the near future or use Vogelbach as a corner outfield. 2015 lineup
        Jackson CF
        Castro SS
        Rizzo RF
        Soler LF
        Vogelbach 1B
        Baez 2B
        Vitters 3B
        Clevenger C
        Looks promising if they can get some pitching

        • Zonk

          Most agree Rizzo is a not a future OF. He’s a plus defensive 1B, no reason to mess with that.
          If Vogelbach pans out, he’s probably trade bait to an AL club. It’s not like we don’t have holes elsewhere

          • paulcatanese

            Agree Zonk, and Rizzo will only get better with the glove(very good right now) as instinct develops with the multitude of different plays that
            will come his way. So far, very good, and not an option for the outfield.

        • todd c

          Add Albert Almora to the team hopefully by the end of 2015 as well. An OF with Soler, Jackson and Almora sounds promising. Welington Castilla could be in a platoon with Clevenger as well. Also Junior Lake could be a utility player.

        • Dorasaga

          Or maybe trade him to an AL team for a LHP.

      • Zonk

        When the scouting report says he has “Surprisingly average speed”, you know you have a weight problem…..

    • brent carmona

      http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/07/26/2202632/new-hawk-brings-big-bat-humor.html

      Says he lost 25 pounds previous offseason, weighing in about 250 lbs. Cubs asked him to drop weight and he did as asked. I don’t think weight is an issue. And if it is it seems he has determination to fix it.

      • mutantbeast

        Ive seen Vogelboom in Az. Kid is large, but hes not quite a Fielder yet. My guess is about 250 or so, Looks somewhat like a HW wrestler. Fairly nimble for his size, tho. Good feet, good hands, definitely generates tons of power to all fields. NL needs a DH if him and Rizzo are going to be in the same lineup.

        • Tom U

          mutantbeast, since you’ve seen him recently you would know. Before the season started, his body had a serious case of the “jiggles”. Has that gotten any better?

  • Zonk

    Tom, what is the low down on Gioskar Amaya? I have seen him on prospect lists here and there, but nobody rates him high. He’s having a nice year, though is a little old at 19 for Boise; is a promotion to Peoria coming? Or is he blocked by DeVoss?

    • paulcatanese

      Zonk,when are the Cubs going to aquire players with names
      that everyone can pronounce?:)

    • Tom U

      Zonk, let me address one thing first. Amaya, a 19 year old Venezuelan, is not too old for Boise.Short Season A’s purpose is twofold. One, it gives older draft picks their first real taste of professional ball. Two, it gives younger and/or foreign born players a place to develop that isn’t either above or below their skill level. The later is where Amaya falls.

      That said, you are absolutely right in saying that Amaya is being blocked by DeVoss. It’s just my opinion, but to me, it’s fairly clear that both DeVoss and Javier Baez, and most likely their agents, are holding several prospects (as well as the Peoria pitchers) hostage while they demand to play in the middle infield.

      The pair may be the absolute worst double play combination in all of baseball. The fact that DeVoss’ average has now sunk to .228 and he’s still batting lead-off speaks volumes. Peoria would be much better off with Amaya, Marco Hernandez, Stephen Bruno, and even Daniel Lockhart in the middle of the diamond. And with Jenner Emeterio and Bryant Flete performing well in the DSL, a bump up to rookie league should be in order for them.

      I’m looking to prepare a piece as to how frustrated I have bee with the lack of development I’ve seen in the minors this year. For now, this is just a taste.

      • Zonk

        Interesting….playing devil’s advocate, what would they do with DeVoss if they cleared his spot for Amaya? Not promote him….and do the Cubs have someone to move to Boise to take Gioskar’s spot?
        I can see the frustration, as DeVoss, at the age of 21 and with college experience, should be sailing through single A, which is a hitter’s league. The fact that he isn’t is a bit troubling.

        • Aaron

          They probably demote the 19 yr old Zapata to Boise, or perhaps even the 20 yr old Chen. The thing DeVoss has going for him is age (21), and the fact he is a switch hitter and can play CF. He’s also got advanced plate discipline (58 walks vs 84 K’s…the 58 walks leads the team)

          So, because he’s 21, he likely won’t go back to Boise, and because he’s played CF last year, he’s likely to head back this year if they want to move someone up.

          Amaya would then be the natural option for 2B, unless they wanted to give the older Bruno a shot (unlikely). Lockhart could then be moved up to take over at 2B for Boise, and Garzez could be moved down to Mesa from Boise’s OF to make room for Zapata.

        • Tom U

          Sorry Zonk, just getting back from work, but Aaron hit it out of the park with his answer. It is exactly what I was thinking.

      • Dorasaga

        Tom, frustrated? They must have really messed up the insertion to some positions!

        • Tom U

          Let’s put it this way Dorasaga, only 3 position players have been promoted above the level of rookie league: Greg Rohan, Chad Noble, and Dustin Harrington.

          Rohan’s promotion was overdue by almost 2 months. Noble and Harrington were hitting a glorious “buck-98″ each prior to their call-up, “earning” their promotions to Double-A.

          • Dorasaga

            I assume you mean “slow” is the way the organization moves position players. To look at this from the down side, there probably weren’t that many good players to have earned a promotion above single-a. Too many things most of them are still working on? I don’t know, since never had the patience to follow the farm closely.

  • Gramps

    Haven’t been able to comment much this year but have to say something about the Dempster issue. I will never question what is in another man’s heart. If he feels (like I do) that family is the most important thing in his life and he does not want to move to Atlanta so be it. He has earned the right by meeting the specifications of the contract between the players and management. Reading comments in here is very enjoyable but I am amazed by some commenters that put winning above everything else. People…..this is a sport….something that we enjoy as a pastime. It is not the start or the end…it is something we do to take our minds off of real life and something to pass the time away where we don’t have to think or do anything about our own troubles. I will always be a Cubs fan…it is in my blood but I would not think I have failed in life if they never win a World Series. There are far more important things in my life. And if I was in Dempster’s position I would do as I wanted to make me and my family happy. GO CUBS!

    • paulcatanese

      Good comment Gramps, you always seem to say the right thing.

    • Aaron

      Gramps,

      I respect your opinion, and most of what you said is spot on.

      However, I will say this…without having been to the World Series since 1945, and not having won a championship since 1908, I believe it’s about damn time they figure it out, and the fan base starts demanding a winner.

      Virtually the same comments were said about Derrek Lee when he blocked trades to contenders. It’s a mind-set that permeates the organization…to its detriment. When you have players that are okay with losing (meaning, they know for a fact this team is going nowhere, management wants to start over, and it might be a few years before they’re even competitive again…yet they WANT to stay)…well, that pretty much sums it up for you, doesn’t it? Loveable losers indeed.

      I don’t know if you or others on this site remember Jacque Jones’ comments about the fan base when he was booed. But basically he said something to the effect that he couldn’t understand the booing, because he always thought Cubs fans were loyal no matter what. Soriano has even made similar comments.

      That’s pretty much how every player looks at this team. If they want to be loved. (such as an Augie Ojeda and many others), despite not having the stats to back up such affection, then they’ll come to the Cubs. If players come in with that mentality that they can just slack off, have a good time, and watch as the fans don’t care, then it’s no wonder this organization has been one of the worst for the better part of a century (and certainly the last 60+years).

      If players want to win, it’s quite simple….they gravitate towards the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Braves, and certainly within the last decade, the Angels. Those teams and their owners demand accountability and have a winning history. You could even throw in the Dodgers of year’s past (and they’re starting to regain that distinction again under Mattingly). The Cubs seem to get the bottom-of-the barrel FA types, and if they do happen to get a good FA, it’s usually because that guy is tired of having pressure to win.

      Hopefully that makes sense.

      What’s really funny about this situation, is if you look at recent history, the Cubs brought Greg Maddux back to solidify their rotation. Once Maddux saw the team was going nowhere, he couldn’t wait to go to a winner, and Hendry obliged, even though Maddux loved the Cubs.

      Maddux is a winner. Dempster is NOT….please don’t confuse those two, as it diminishes true competitors.

      All Dempster talks about is how comfortable he is with the Cubs. You NEVER heard that from Maddux, and you never hear that now from even Garza, who came from 2 winning organizations (Twins first…though they’re not right now…and then the Rays). All Wood ever talked about since leaving was eventually returning. Wood is NOT a winner, as much as it pains me to say that.

      Are Dempster and Wood not good competitors? No, I’m not saying that at all. To even play the game of baseball and experience some level of success, you must have that competitive instinct…but to call either of them winners when they not only crashed and burned on the biggest stage in the playoffs, but also couldn’t wait to stay on losing Cubs teams…..is like a a slap in the face to every winner out there.

      The game of baseball stopped being a “loyalty” type of game when free agency was introduced, and it became even less of a factor when prices for tickets skyrocketed into the $50+ range for a single ticket. Players leave for the highest dollar in most cases, and fans of other teams have proven they will NOT waste their money on a losing team.

      The mentality of Cubs fans needs to change, and keep up with the times if we ever hope to have a winning team (and attitude) on the North Side.

      Does that make sense?

      • BosephHeyden

        This was actually a subject on Collin Cowherd’s show yesterday, and all of this is re-emphasizing a belief that I’ve held since 2007: right now, the worst thing working for the Cubs is Cubs fans. To explain: we’re one of the few teams that will have fans continue to show up regardless of wins or losses. There are very few teams that have fans like that, and the teams that do have fans like that typically are in the same boat the Cubs are usually in (i.e, not competing). New York teams don’t show up when they have bad teams. Same for most California teams (the Raiders’ fans are the exception, but they lose more often than they win and their fans are plain nuts anyways). Fans show up, pay whatever the asking price is for tickets, and management sees that as a sign that what they’re doing is working for what they need to work, which is the team is making money. If you think for a second the Ricketts bought this team for any other reason than the fact that fans will constantly show up, you’re wrong. Sure, there’s a cute story of how he met his wife in the bleachers, but if you think he was doing anything other than what your typical rich yuppie does at Wrigley (that is, meeting with business partners to discuss business in an environment where a sport happens to be occuring and drinking beer is acceptable), then I would suggest going to a Cubs game just to see what most of the people are doing, because a lot of them certainly aren’t watching baseball. And Ricketts hiring Theo and his team was more PR move than it was motivated out of a desire to create a championship team, right move as it was (because if Ricketts’ priority was “win a championship”, then he would’ve fired Hendry in his first year as owner, because it was clear Hendry’s focus had shifted to gutting the team, and he sure as hell wouldn’t have let Hendry make MIKE QUADE a manager for his team).

        And I suppose that gets to fan reactions at games. Now, I’m not saying that all this okays booing players for off-the-field decisions, because Dempster going to Atlanta for Randall Delgado is as guaranteed a solution to the World Series drought as the compensatory draft pick we’d get for him, or even single-instance mistakes like Soriano not running out a play that 90% of every other ballplayer wouldn’t run out. Booing Jacques Jones for hitting .214 is acceptable because it signifies the fans telling the players anything less than 100% effort isn’t tolerated. Booing Carlos Marmol for blowing his umpteenth save is acceptable because it tells the team they don’t accept his performance as a solution in that particular spot, no matter what kind of movement his slider has on a good day. If Dempster is going to get booed, it needs to be for not performing.

        I’ve already stated my opinion on what I think this whole Atlanta/Dempster situation is about, but as far as booing Dempster, this is the hard truth:
        Cubs fans lost the right to boo Ryan Dempster when he comes back to Chicago the second they didn’t start booing Chris Volstad. They had the opportunity to let the Cubs organization know how they felt about him occupying a spot in the rotation in early May, and not once did I hear anything more than a small, scattered amount of boos from a nearly packed crowd.

        What it comes down to is that Cubs fans, the ones that show up to the game, just don’t care. They’ll show up to game after game either out of some misguided sense of loyalty to a team that has done nothing to earn it or because of some inexplicable sense of being part of a tradition that, in all honesty, is nothing more than losing. Cubs fans need to let the organization know we’re not going to tolerate a series of losing seasons, rebuilding or not. This team that is out there has shown glimpses of being able to compete, but they don’t, because they’re fine with collecting their paycheck. This management staff has the capital to fill whatever holes they can’t immediately fix with their farm system (and by immediately, I mean by the end of next season they should be able to produce at least half an outfield and a full, serviceable infield). The fans just need to stop showing up. If they can make Wrigley close to a ghost town, the realities of the business world will do the rest.

        • Aaron

          true…good post

      • 43hopping

        The one point I disagree with you, and you seem to disagree with yourself, is Kerry Wood.

        1. In 2009 Kerry wanted to stay on a team that won the NL Central in ’07 & ’08 (not a losing team).
        2. After leaving Cleveland, about the only team that would take a chance on him, Kerry signed with the New York Yankees (one of your winner teams).
        3. When Kerry first came back to the Cubs nobody expected them to be as bad as they were.
        4. I think at the end of his career he knew the WS was not in his future he wanted to go back to where he was well liked and the fans appreciated what he had done for the Cubs.
        5. If you don’t think he is a winner go watch game 5 of ’03 in Atlanta. One person can’t do it all.

    • gredlarczyk

      Gramps,
      I don’t think asking Dempster to pitch for the Braves for JUST TWO MONTHS, is asking a lot. Next year, he and his family can pick his next team and city.

      • Brp921

        I think what most people are upset about is the reports that say Atlanta was on his list of teams he would agree to be traded to. This may or may not be true, but if it is then he let the front office waste a lot of valuable time and may have cost the Cubs some pretty good prospects. If the reports are wrong then the front office should let fans know this and take the heat off Ryan Dempster. Since they haven’t done that I’m assuming it must be the case. That is why I have lost respect for him. If I find out later that I’m wrong I’ll gladly eat my words.

        • Aaron

          well said!

    • Dorasaga

      I feel so, too. Ol’Demp can say whatever he wants. The Cubs can do very little to move him due to the contract signed long time ago, but I don’t think that’s a problem.

      There are more things to worry. Soriano’s contract, a lack of high-level pitching down the farm, esp. LHP, the pitch count of Shark; who’s our future 3B??? This club should have rebuilt 2 years ago. I won’t mind watching Dempster pitch through the year; will be a fun ride.

    • Tom

      Amen, I have been a Cub fan since 1948. There’s no Divorce in Baseball. We have some nice position players on the Farm but way short on Pitching. I expect Theo will be working hard the rest of the season and next Winter to change that, It’s good to be a Cub fan. If Ryan furnished a list of teams he would go to and the Braves were on the list then shame on him for misleading Management and the fans.

  • bphiatt723

    Could someone find the stats and the levels that are last two drafts classes are at? I would like to see the development of the classes. Thanks!

  • John_CC

    The top SP available are, in order:
    Grienke
    Johnson
    Garza
    Dempster

    Melvin has flat out said that Greinke will be traded this weekend. Johnson seems good as gone too and like Garza has another year of control at about $14M. Johnson and Grienke are aces and will demand high prospects in return.

    The teams left looking to add SP; Dodgers, Braves, Toronto, Red Sox…maybe the Nats, Yankees too.

    Maybe the Cubs will regain some the leverage they lost. I think Hoyer and Theo will wait now till Tuesday night and squeeze the teams that didn’t win the other two.

  • Aaron

    What would be absolutely hilarious…..and completely fitting is if the Cubs go through all the time and effort to work out a deal with Dempster’s preferred Dodgers….only to have him nix it….

    Now, THAT would be hilarious….and Dempster would in fact deserve to get booed….he already does now for the reasons outlined earlier, but would even more so if that happened.

    • J Daniel

      Aaron,
      I agree but the Dodgers do not have the prospects and I would refuse to deal him there. Team Theo needs to dictate that they will not give in and then accept a few suspects that will not make it anyways, and pay his salary. NO WAY!

      I have stated before, and will state again, I play hard ball with him. 2 can play at this game. I tell Demp that he either accept the trade to Atlanta (which could be re done because they have not made a deal yet) or they will make the qualifying offer and go through this same crap next year. He could veto again and he could go to long relief.

      Theo made a GREAT trade for Demp who has been a good guy but as you pointed out an average pitcher.

      But, this trade, should give Cub fans a lot of hope. It was a GREAT trade for the Cubs. Yes, it didn’t work, but I think it gives us a sign of what they are capable of doing.

  • Aaron

    in the age of social media, you just never know what sources you can trust.

    I thought I would summarize for individuals that might not be on here regularly. Agustin, where are you buddy?!?!?

    Anyway, here is my best attempt at being a journalist…LOL:

    -Cubs had deal for Delgado, plus mid-level prospect
    *Dempster MIGHT HAVE initiated 10-and-5 rights, but given his comments the other day, he likely has not formally initiated them to give himself a few more days to think about it

    -Dodgers original offer was supposedly Gould and Withrow.
    *Cubs countered with Zach Lee straight up for Dempster, and Dodgers backed out, so Cubs re-engaged the Nationals, Tigers, and Braves…but the Tigers solved their rotation issues by trading for Sanchez, thus eliminating them

    -Cubs lost all leverage once Atlanta leaked the trade news (probably on purpose, to make it either Braves or bust—meaning Cubs hang onto him the rest of the year, rather than risk having him go to another playoff contender in the Dodgers, and facing him in the playoffs). Then, to make it even tougher on the Cubs to receive good value for him, Wren said the Braves had moved on, thus further backing the Cubs into a corner with the Dodgers
    *Cubs tried to engage the Nationals again, but it looks like they have no interest

    -Dempster further complicated matters by claiming publicly that Dodgers were his choice, thus further reducing the Dodgers offer. (in all likelihood)
    *Cubs then threatened to keep him the rest of the year, and get draft compensation if he leaves next season
    **Olney was the one to put this rumor forward, and it looks like that might be accurate, but was quickly shot down by other executives stating that it was posturing by the Cubs, and they don’t want to risk him accepting (which is likely with the new CBA)

    -Dodgers now rumored to be offering ONLY Reed or Webster, straight up…but NOT both, and NOT as a headliner in a package
    *Cubs rumored to be seeking either as a headliner

    -Cubs rumored to be seeking Ethan Martin as a headliner
    *no rumors on whether the Dodgers will build around that.

    Confusing, isn’t it? I just want them to be done with it. Truthfully, I’d rather have Dempster next year than a crappy pitcher from the Dodgers….or two, but I’d much rather have Delgado for the next 5 years than Dempster.The Dodgers’ system is full of pitching prospects that are ALL hype, and don’t have the stats to back it up. I wouldn’t touch any of their pitching prospects with a 10 foot pole, but if I absolutely had to, and no other team was offering a decent return, and the Braves’ offer of Delgado was completely off the table, then I’d settle for Webster or Martin, plus a low-A guy with high upside, or Jerry Sands (if they’re willing to include him).

    All of this makes me dislike Dempster, and it is back-firing on him big time, because what once seemed like a sure-thing to return to the Cubs after being traded, is now seen as a complete long-shot. Just like it did with Lee, Dempster burned bridges.

    • Ripsnorter1

      Just a few thoughts here….

      I don’t think that the Braves had any idea that by Tweeting the trade that Dempster would sulk like a possum. In my opinion his sulking is childish and immature. So I ascribe no evil intentions on the Braves’ part. Frankly I think Dempster is seeking a contract before he okays a trade, or some kind of a sweetner.

      Greinke is now going to be traded before the deadline, as per Brewers’ GM. And I quote, “Brewers general manager Doug Melvin said Thursday the starting pitcher will be traded before Tuesday’s 4 p.m. ET deadline, according to USA Today.”

      http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8203245/report-milwaukee-brewers-gm-doug-melvin-says-zack-greinke-dealt

    • DWalker

      hadn’t seen yet the last two bullets, but I am not surprised the dodgers are digging in. at this point, worst thing that could happen is Dempster stays, and accepts the qualifying offer for 12mil and we go through this again next year in an even weaker position as sooner or later Dempster WON’T be worth 12 mil and everyone will know it.

  • Mac

    umm what’s wrong with Trevor Bell he was released by the halos, I’d pick him up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      seriously?

      • Mac

        seriously

        • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

          What purpose would picking him up serve? Hes not any good.

    • triple

      2012 AAA stats- 10 starts, 37 IP, 8.27 ERA, 62 H, 24 BB, 19K, 2.324 WHIP…. Do you want me to keep going? No reason to pick him up.

  • BosephHeyden

    Okay, so, according to MLBTradeRumors.com, the Cubs already made an offer to the Dodgers that was DECLINED. That offer: Ryan Dempster for Allen Webster.

    So, just to get this straight: the Dodgers won’t part with their “best” prospect, Zach Lee, who, right now, is on pace to be a really average 4th starter with the production he has. Apparently, someone in the front office values potential over production to the point where they made an offer for Allen Webster, who right now is on pace to be another average 4th starter. And that offer has been declined, with an offer countered that involves prospects that are projected to be RELIEVERS, which we have not, cannot, and should not be producing through our farm system. And, all the while, the Dodgers are wanting Garza over Dempster, though they they’ve mentioned they don’t want to give up Zach Lee for him, either (and will likely only give up Webster if we give up more).

    Someone PLEASE explain to me why anyone thinks dealing with the Dodgers, with all this in mind PLUS the awful dealings we’ve had with them in the past, is a good idea??

    • DWalker

      Gotta hope at some point Theo just laughs in their face on Garza. I try, I really try to keep goodwill towards dempster and the good he’s done off the field, but damn, every day it gets worse.

    • cubtex

      Of course they can turn that down. The Cubs have ZERO leverage.

  • Skeldor

    At this point you have to cut off all talks with the dodgers, they have the cubs by the boys with regards to Dumpster and that experience should turn them off when dealing garza. I would try to talk dumpster into going to the braves and hope that deal is available. I bet it wouldn’t be at this point and all they would offer are chumps.

    Dumpster sure has screwed the Cubs and shame on him or his agent or whoever it was that said he only wanted to go to the dodgers. The bad thing is they almost have to let him walk in the offseason because I can see him accepting arbitration. Why would Theo want him back next year after what has happened.

  • Aaron

    sums up everything I’ve been saying:

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    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19663926/cubs-offer-of-dempster-for-webster-rejected-by-dodgers-who-seem-to-prefer-garza

    The Braves, meanwhile, are disappointed but say they have moved on after originally believing Dempster would approve a trade to Atlanta before Dempster did an about face and rejected the trade. Dempster is said to have at first told Braves players he would go, and apparently all the folks making the trade understood that as well.The Braves, who were originally committed to trading top prospect Randall Delgado to Chicago for Dempster, are now telling people that there’s a value to having players who want to play for them and suggesting that there’s little likelihood they’d take Dempster even if he came crawling back. They are now trying to trade for Zack Greinke.*********************************************************************************

    • SomeGuy27

      …and according to Dave Kaplan per a source of his the Dodgers are now low balling (as they should). Dempster stays unless a three way deal is done but I doubt it. I also have a feeling this somehow screwed up any possible Garza or Maholm deals. I don’t have any specific insight on that just a gut feeling.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trevor-Petersma/565104388 Trevor Petersma

        The whole thing is so disappointing. It seems as if all leverage is gone and what started as pretty decent haul for trading away a few guys has turned into a low ball/barely any return situation. I’m at least glad to hear that Theo is sticking to his guns and not just giving guys away now.

      • Aaron

        I saw that…..and definitely agree with you.

        I believe the Cubs’ whole deadline revolved around the Dempster trade.

        In fact, now, I can actually see a scenario where they keep Garza and Maholm around for next season, and it’s quite possible we might even see Dempster back at this point in time.

        Hear me out on this…..

        Suppose all the Twitter news is true about the Dodgers only offering 2 relief prospects. Suppose that Garza can’t go before the deadline. Suppose all teams are offering for Maholm is a mid-level prospect or two….

        The Cubs still control Garza for next year, and he will likely make about $11-12 million next year. Maholm has a $6.5 million option. Dempster would get $12 million for the qualifying offer. Travis Wood gets about $1 million I believe. Samardzija probably signs for $3-5 million.

        After that, Rizzo, Barney, Castro, Valbuena, W. Castillo, Clevenger, Campana, and possibly Mather are all under $1 million.

        I could actually see a scenario where the Cubs enter the offseason with the exact same team you see right now.

        The only possible exceptions are: Baker, Johnson, and Soto.

        I mean, I think everyone in Cubs nation would say there’s about zero chance Dempster comes back next year, but the way I see it, Theo and Company will be so pissed at him, they will likely try to stick it to him and offer arbitration, even knowing that he’s likely to accept, because this will essentially be his last chance for a multi-year deal, and him and his agent probably know it, so they’re going to play a good old-fashioned game of chicken with him, and he will likely accept, screwing the Cubs yet again. But given the salaries I just outlined, they will likely have around $50 million committed without Dempster. Either the Cubs are going to go all out, and sign someone like Greinke, E. Jackson, Anibal Sanchez, Liriano, McCarthy, Peavy (because his option will be declined), etc., or they’ll just opt to bite the bullet, and do it all over again next year.

        I know that’s a lot of uncertainty, and it might seem like I’m back-tracking on previous statements, but the Cubs almost have to keep the payroll around $80 million, or the entire league will be pissed.

        About the only position players worth going after are: Swisher, Bourn, Melky Cabrera, and Mike Napoli….BJ Upton, and Delmon Young would be fringe.

        In other words, in order to not piss off the MLBPA, other owners, and even the fan base, they’re going to have to keep the payroll higher than the committed amount right now (which would be about $50 million as I outlined, assuming they made arbitration offers to Samardzija and Garza, which they’d be foolish not to).

        Now, do you see how it might happen where he actually comes back? If that happened, I would almost guarantee the Cubs would stick it to him and put him in relief, but he’d be back nonetheless, because they don’t want to risk getting no picks in the unlikely event another team wants his ass after all this.

        • DWalker

          I hate saying it, but I gotta agree with you. It actually makes for an interesting scenario, It puts the team in an interesting place because they have shown they CAN win, but still have more holes then swiss cheese .

          If that happens, I think it will force their hand to bring vitters up since they won’t have replaced him and third is an empty spot. Outfield is a mess, DDJ comes back, Soriano tries to stay healthy. Bring back Lahair? another pick up like DDJ? bring up Jackson? All three have downsides, and what happens when Soriano’s knee finally gives out or he is traded?

          and of course pitching. Actually, our starting pitching has been the one bright spot aside form that last little slot that wood now fills. So garza, dempster, shark, wood maholm. Hopefully, Wood and Shark will have matured a little and are growing into the role. Garza is Garza. Dempster will be a wild card. Not looking like many options for starters to be had in the FA. That still leaves the dreadful pen. A place to actually spend money? They aren’t spending anywhere else, so why not over spend on a couple of the better relievers for a year or three?

          As for catcher, got me there. Not big on any of the three.

          A live bat at third, another live bat in the OF, 5 starting pitchers (even 4.5) and an actual bull pen that doesn’t blow a 5 run lead for two months. actually sounds interesting……

        • Dorasaga

          All arbitration considered, I’m seeing payroll obligation next year closer to 64 Millions. Garza and Soto will be expensive (60-80% increase); 1Million deferred on Dempster (see Neil’s 40-man), and so on. Not that it’s any different from 50M and the union. The worst they can do is to prevent FA “name players” to sign with the Cubs in 2014. This offseason, Hoyer will consider bidding for East Asian or Caribbean FA-s as well, to significantly boost a depleted farm system with few higher-level pitching.

  • matthew8510

    RT @thekapman Told LAD believe Cubs will cave&they can get Demp for less than Atl offered. 2 scouts I spoke w/said Theo/Jed will NEVER cave

    • Aaron

      good for them…they shouldn’t cave. Isn’t that refreshing that they’re not like Hendry?

      • triple

        If Theo and Jed don’t move Garza, Demp, or Maholm, we at least should have a solid pitching rotation set up for next year (with or without Dempster). As far as trade possibilities, remember, LA and Atlanta still need some sort of pitching, they can lowball all they want. I don’t think Theo will budge. And by bringing this thing down to the wire, if the Dodgers and Braves are still calling Theo, they are the buyer that obviously wants to buy from the seller.
        I think if all the SP come back next year, we have a good rotation (barring injury or someone catching the suck). We can stand some bullpen improvements, but history shows that the best options usually aren’t the ones you overpay for (Camp and Corpas are proof of that right now). Beyond that, some changes will be made with position players/bench. I like Valbuena for his defense and wish Vitters wasn’t as bad as he is in the field, but he should get an audition in September and maybe he has a great month and becomes good offseason trade bait in a deal for another 3rd baseman, RF or CF (opposite of where ever DeJesus will play), or catcher. And/or maybe Theo finds that FA diamond in the rough like Ortiz who can be plugged in and make an impact to our lineup.

        Yes this obviously shows my optimism, and is all kind of stupid because it really is not rebuilding. But I still see a big difference in our play this year compared to last (even though the results aren’t much different, but they are trending in a positive direction), and with an opportunity to continue making some of these roster tweaks and seeing the impact that Sveum has made on his players play, I believe that just a couple changes can make a difference. Would it be a world series caliber team? No. But it may be a team that can compete. Besides, Vitters is the only prospect in our system that is even close to deserving a shot and his glove or bat isn’t nearly as good as Rizzo, so I can see why he’s not up. Beyond that, the payroll would probably stay about the same (unless Garza is resigned) and then at the end of the 2013 season, all the big contracts are off the books with exception to $18mil for Soriano’s last season (if he’s still here; he probably will be), and $6.5mil for DeJesus (or $1.5 buyout). This would provide the front office with maximum flexibility for the 2014 season when there are hopefully more prospects ready to play with the Cubs.

  • cubtex

    Josh Vitters a HR short of cycle tonight…….but he needs to stay in Iowa because Valbuena is doing so well :))

    • brett

      Yep..that’s why they’re keeping him there

  • cubtex

    Iowa Cubs take a 5-3 lead in the top of the 10th and good ol Michael Bowden gives up 3 runs in the bottom of the 10th to blow the game. God help us if they trade Marmol and use Bowden as a closer.

  • Aaron

    This was just said too perfectly for me to pass up posting on here…mostly because I’ve been saying this pretty much the last few days consistently:

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    http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Kap-Cubs-Dodgers-far-apart-in-Dempster-t?blockID=746997&feedID=10336&awid=4916525569920980730-914

    “Dempster will have to answer some tough questions if he is still a Cub after the deadline. That will be one press conference I would want to see. He will have to explain to the fans why he chose to stay on a team that is going nowhere when he could have been in Atlanta and possibly pitching in the playoffs. That will be interesting to hear,” one executive told me.

    *****************************************************************************

    I would love to be a fly on the wall in that meeting. Again, as I said earlier, I don’t even think Dempster understands the horrible decision he made. Not only has it now come out from both Wren and the Chicago media, but also out of Dempster’s own mouth when he said a few weeks ago that Atlanta, along with the Dodgers would be at the top of his list.

    It just makes him look bad. He seems like a loser…a guy that is fine with losing that is, and it is all being confirmed now with other executives in effect, alluding to the fact that Dempster is now seen that way by other teams.

    Is it any wonder the Dodgers are offering so little for a pitcher leading the league in ERA for most of the season? I’m not saying it’s a direct correlation, because they clearly have the upper hand now…..but apparently their offer all along has been paltry.

    How about Wren’s comments? Essentially, he’s all but said that the Braves don’t want guys like Dempster who don’t want to play for a winner, and it’s doubtful even if Dempster changed his mind that they’d even want him again.

    Dempster royally screwed himself in all of this, as well as the Cubs.

    Someone needs to ask him why 2 months of being in a different city was worth all of this. They need to challenge him on the family issue for all the reasons pretty much everyone, including myself has outlined on here. They need to challenge him about the Dodgers if it was just for his best friend (Lilly), then does that mean he can’t make friends anywhere else?

    He’s so screwed if he’s with the Cubs the rest of the year…not only because the Cubs are going nowhere, but because every single day, he’ll have this hanging over his head, questions to answer, as well as the realization that his future in MLB is now in doubt. Like I’ve said before…who is going to want him now?!?

  • paulcatanese

    Tom, good report, and not a word about a certain pitcher,way to go.