Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Pirates – 07/25/12

Game Ninety-Seven: Cubs (40-56) vs. Pirates (54-42)
Game Time – 11:35am CDT
Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 187/914
Location – PNC Park, Pittsburgh

Ryan Dempster (5-4, 2.11/1.05) vs. Kevin Correia (7-6, 4.31/1.29)

After just a miserable weekend in St. Louis, the Cubs have put together two solid wins over the Pirates behind excellent performances by Jeff Samardzija and Paul Maholm. Dale Sveum’s staff has held the high-flying Pirates offense to just two runs in the first two games. The Cubs have a chance to complete the sweep behind Ryan Dempster this afternoon.

Two days ago it appeared Ryan Dempster would be making his scheduled start for the Braves in Miami. But Dempster has not waived his 10-5 rights and according to reports would rather be traded to the Dodgers than Atlanta. Dempster addressed the media Tuesday and said his focus was today’s start against the Pirates. The challenge for Dempster today is putting the week behind him enough to put his current team in position to win the game.

Even with the bad weekend against the Cardinals, the Cubs are 16-8 in their last 24 games and with a win today would finish the six-game trip with a 3-3 record. The Cubs have already won the series (6-1-1 in last eight series) but sweeping a contender in their home park is always fun.

The Daily Dempster Ryan Dempster apparently wants to pitch for Don Mattingly and he holds the hammer on where he finishes the season, if Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer decide to move him. According to reports Tuesday night, the Cubs and Dodgers continued their discussions on what it would take from their weak system to acquire Dempster. Reports suggested that a deal was being built around the Dodgers’ number two prospect, RHP Allen Webster, due to the Dodgers unwillingness to include Zach Lee in any deal.

In other newsMatt Garza will not face the Cardinals this weekend at Wrigley. Garza left the team Tuesday to be with his pregnant wife in Chicago. Garza has been pushed to Monday’s opener against the Pirates, at the earliest. With the trade deadline looming, if Garza does not start Monday then he would likely not be moved. After Tuesday’s game, Keith Moreland mentioned the Cubs could use Justin Germano for Monday’s start if Garza is unable to go.

The Cubs announced Tuesday that Travis Wood would pitch Friday’s opener against St. Louis with Jeff Samardzija and Paul Maholm starting Saturday and Sunday. All three pitchers would be starting on regular rest with Thursday’s off day.

This afternoon all starts with Ryan Dempster Ryan Dempster’s scoreless innings streak ended with a thud last Friday in St. Louis. Many thought Dempster would be dealt before he threw a pitch but he was not and the Cardinals put the game away rather quickly. Dempster threw strikes, but was up in the zone and the Redbirds scored three runs in the first and never looked back.

Dempster lost his first game since May 25 against the Pirates after allowing four runs on seven hits with two walks and two strikeouts in six innings … that included a mammoth shot off the bat of Matt Holliday that still has not landed.

Even with his bad outing in St. Louis, Dempster is 2-1 in his last three starts with a 2.12 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP.

A.J. Burnett outpitched Dempster back on May 25. Dempster allowed one run over 7 1/3 innings with a walk and six strikeouts … but the Cubs could not push across a run in 5 1/3 innings and Dempster ended up on the losing end of a 1-0 loss.

Ryan Dempster is 8-13 in 50 career appearances, 25 games, with a 5.39 ERA and a 1.57 WHIP … at PNC Park, 3-6 in 22 games, nine starts, with a 4.83 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP.

Pirates Career Numbers against Ryan Dempster

  • Pedro Alvarez – 2-for-9 with a double
  • Rod Barajas – 4-for-9 with a home run
  • Clint Barmes – 4-for-12 with a home run and a walk
  • Kevin Correia – 0-for-4 with a walk
  • Josh Harrison – 3-for-9 with a double
  • Garrett Jones – 3-for-23 with a double, a home run and four walks
  • Andrew McCutchen – 6-for-23 with a double, a home run and five walks
  • Casey McGehee – 10-for-28 with two doubles, a triple, a home run and three walks
  • Michael McKenry – 2-for-5 with a double
  • Alex Presley – 5-for-7 with a double and three triples
  • Neil Walker – 8-for-19 with three doubles, a home run and two walks

Kevin Correia has been very consistent for Clint Hurdle this season. Correia has won his last four starts and the Pirates are 8-2 in the last 10 games Correia has started. Correia beat the Fish his last time out (three runs on eight hits without a walk and five strikeouts in five innings). Correia 3-0 in his last three starts with a 4.24 ERA and a 1.24 WHIP.

Kevin Correia faced the Cubs back on May 26. Correia received a no decision in a game he outpitches Paul Maholm. Correia allowed two runs on five hits with two walks and two strikeouts in 6 1/3 innings. For his career, Correia is 3-4 in 13 games, nine starts, against the Cubs with a 5.84 ERA and a 1.66 WHIP.

Kevin Correia has been very good at home this season … 3-2 in eight starts with a 3.70 ERA and a 1.17 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Kevin Correia

  • Jeff Baker – 2-for-6 with a home run
  • Darwin Barney – 6-for-16 with a double
  • Tony Campana – 0-for-3
  • Starlin Castro – 7-for-14 with a double and a triple
  • David DeJesus – 2-for-5 with a double and a walk
  • Ryan Dempster – 0-for-5
  • Reed Johnson – 0-for-1
  • Bryan LaHair – 1-for-3
  • Joe Mather – 0-for-3
  • Alfonso Soriano – 5-for-19 with two home runs
  • Geovany Soto – 3-for-11 with a double, a home run and two walks

Let’s Talk Cubs Baseball …

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Wren discussed the Dempster situation on an Atlanta radio
    station this morning. Wren on Dempster “not going to paint ourselves in a corner…we have moved on”

    Frank Wren said deal with Dempster “highly unlikely”. Braves had paramaters that expired yesterday.

    Not sure how accurate this is but several outlets are
    picking this up.

    • daverj

      I don’t like the Dodgers prospects and I’m not interested in another package like the one we received for Lilly. I’d rather keep Demp, make the qualifying offer, and hope he signs elsewhere so we get a extra pick.

      • Zonk

        It’s unfortunate, but Demp has earned 5 and 10 rights, and that’s going to limit our negotiating leverage.
        Lilly was a little different; the Dodgers took on his salary, and for Dempster would need the Cubs to pay most of the tab….and the Cubs will likely oblige. We have more money than talent right now.

        • daverj

          Agreed that he has earned his 5/10 rights, but the Cubs have the right to keep him and make a qualifying offer.

          • Zonk

            That is true…….there is some risk there though.
            The qualifying offer would be a 1-year contract in the $12-13 mil range. Dempster’s performance has been good enough to get a multi-year offer, so he might turn that down, netting us a 1st rnd. pick…..and he might not. It wouldn’t be a complete disaster to have him for one year, $12 mil, but next year is not a contending year, so probably a bit of a waste.
            With the way this has gone down, I think the Cubs sort of have to move him now to the Dodgers. As I pointed out earlier, the Dodgers now have a rotation slot open as well………

          • J Daniel

            Yes, but if he pitches well again you go through this same trade scenario again. If he is on a 1 year deal the likelihood of a better player is much greater.

            So, I don’t think it would be a waste. And actually, if they would keep him Garza, Maholm, and Smardj it is not a bad rotation. Add a couple bats and the building continues.

            Not the ideal as it would have been better for him to go to Atlanta but he is being a jerk.

            This should show everyone it is BUSINESS and that crap about loyalty and doing it for the team does not always play in.

        • J Daniel

          Zonk,
          I think the Cubs paid a portion of the salary and Theriot was in that deal as well for Wallach, Smits, and DeWitt.

    • Aaron

      Wow….speechless…Dumpster just made himself public enemy #1

      • Zonk

        I’m not going to dog Dempster, because during his tenure here he has given 100%, taken the ball every fifth day, been a model citizen, and otherwise played it cool. He’s a family man with 5 and 10 rights; he’s earned the right to control where he goes.
        I can’t hate Dempster. It’s too bad because everyone seems to think that Hoyer and Theo were about to have the Braves overpay for him, but that’s the breaks.
        We probably have to take what we can from the Dodgers, hopefully incl. Allen Webster, and move on

        • cubtex

          You damn should hate Dempster for lying about understanding this is a business. Telling Theo he will go to x amount of teams and he wants the Cubs to get the best possible prospects for him…….and then reneging. At least Carlos Lee was honest with his team. Dempster lied!

          • Zonk

            Nope, I can’t hate Dempster. Sure, it’s a business, which is why he has 10 and 5 rights and can do whatever he wants. Just business.
            It it what it is.

          • cubtex

            Why say you will do something and then renege? He lost my respect and many Cub fans. Theo was upfront with him….and Dempster slapped him in the face.

          • BosephHeyden

            I’ll just re-emphasize a point from yesterday: we know Atlanta leaked the story. We know there were talks between Chicago and Atlanta. We don’t know if Atlanta was ever on Dempster’s list.

            So far, the only argument against that is “Why would the Cubs talk to a team not on his list?” And the answer to that is pretty simple: over-confidence. It’s just as likely that someone on Team Theo, a team that took this job, mind you, for the potential prestige of winning the first Cubs World Series in 100+ years, talked to Atlanta in the hopes that they could then try to sell Atlanta to Dempster.

            And that situation makes a heck of a lot more sense than Dempster saying he’d go to Atlanta and then changing his mind. My thinking on this is that Chicago and Atlanta had a framework for a deal ready, like both sides mentioned, and the next step would have been talking to Dempster to make a sell job on this. Dempster likely would have turned it down, and we would have heard nothing about this. But someone in Atlanta tried to force the issue, and we’re where we’re at now.

            Plus, think about this: between Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer, two guys who have been doing this for a while, if they talked to Dempster about what teams he wanted to go to, don’t you think they’d have him sign something later to waive his trade rights in the case that a deal could be worked out with one of those teams?

            At the end of the day, this is business, and it goes both ways: Dempster can understand what’s best for the team, but the guys on top also try to do what’s best for the team as well, even if it isn’t in the best interest of one employee.

          • cubtex

            You think Theo is that stupid to negotiate with a team that Dempster didn’t sign of on……..in hopes he changes his mind afterwards? Cmon man. Think about it. Theo would not waste his time during this precious trade deadline on a hope. Doesn’t make sense at all and you are grasping at straws.

          • BosephHeyden

            Do I think he’s stupid? No. Do I think he (or Hoyer) is arrogant enough that he’d talk to a team that his player didn’t want to go to? Yes. All GM’s are. Don’t forget: the Astros tried to trade Lee to LA in a move that was doomed pretty much from the beginning because Lee didn’t want to go to LA (in fact, I remember hearing him say something a few year back about not wanting to play on a West Coast team…can’t find the article).

            And besides that, Theo definitely wastes time on hopes during the trade deadline. Remember: he traded Nomar to us for what ultimately amounted to Doug Mientkiewicz and Orlando Cabrera because he couldn’t get A-Rod for Manny and his Magglio for Nomar trade fell through.

          • Denio

            I think if some team offered a super-sized package for Ryan. Theo would have talked to Ryan first for his approval about a team that was not on his list… Doesn’t make sense to put in the effort and then try and sell the package.. For both teams involved..

          • cc002600

            Zonk, I know you are trying to be diplomatic about this whole thing, but I totally agree w/ cubtex.

            Why have the Braves on your list of teams you would accept a trade to only to then reject a trade that has been agreed upon ?

            He completely wasted Theo and Jed’s time with this whole thing. If I were them, I’d be furious….and maybe they are, but we’ll probably never know.

          • paulcatanese

            Cubtex, I rarely, if ever dis-agree with you, but I just want to throw this out there, and then I’m done with the Dempster issue(waste of time).
            But has anyone thought that the conversation between Dempster and Theo in the bleachers did not come down as it sounds?
            No one actually knows what was said except the two of them. Apparently the conversation was not in writing and could have come off differently,(“I want the Dodgers, and will think about these others”?) Or (“You gave me a list, and I will work out the best deal for both you and the Cubs”).

            The bottom line would be its Theo’s responsibility to make this thing come off
            correctly, whatever the reason it didnt happen(or is not going to), the buck stops with Theo, he should have covered all the bases, thats why he was hired. He blew it.

          • BosephHeyden

            Pretty much. For whatever reason, Team Theo is coated in Teflon right now with Cubs fans despite the fact that, so far under his watch, we’re eating most of Marlon Byrd’s salary for nothing, most of Zambrano’s salary for nothing, and lost a former first round pick for a third baseman who seems to be destined to be perennially injured.

            Theo was a big name that money was thrown at. It doesn’t make him right.

          • Dorasaga

            Under the new CBA, that “Stewart pick” does not apply, as I recall.

          • cubtex

            I agree Paul. It is either Theo’s error in thinking he could convince Dempster to go to Atlanta or Dempster reneging. I can’t believe Theo would be that arrogant or stupid to waste all that time.

          • John_CC

            I agree and disagree Paul. How do you like that?!

            I agree that no one knows what was said, how the list was made, what the stipulations were, yada yada etc…

            I disagree that this is anyone’s “fault.” The deal didn’t happen. How many deals do you think are on the table at any given moment with any given team during this week? I have no idea but its a lot. We just don’t know about the majority of them, thank god or imagine what we would turn into.

            Aaron made an analogy to the scene in Moneyball with the Rincon trade and how fast it happened. Maybe just maybe Wren called the Cubs and the made offer right off the bat, little previous negotiation or back and forth. Epstein and Hoyer say, this is very intriguing, we like this offer and WILL do it…BUT as you know we have to clear this with Ryan…yada yada yada…well, in the conversation they said “yes” but they also said “but”. Someone with their iPhone burning a hole in his pocket and the desire to be the guy that leaks it to the reported who can be the winner in announcing it let’s his thumbs fly and into the world EVERYONE with an internet connection KNOWS that the Cubs and Braves have agreed to a deal…opps! Everyone except the guy that deserves to know first!

            My final agreement with you – I guess we agree more than we disagree! – I am done with the Dempster issue. It is a complete waste of time.

          • John_CC

            Demp is sharp! After the solo shot, 5Ks and zero walks through 4.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

            Hopefully Atls offer isnt completely dead, keep hearing reports that its not. And we get an LBJ type “Decision” from Demp in the post game news conference.

          • paulcatanese

            He pitched well and could have used some offense behind
            him. DeJesus sqaured the ball up well today, as did Rizzo,
            Barney(double) Hair hit two balls hard, other than that, nada.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    DeJesus – CF
    Castro – SS
    Rizzo – 1B
    LaHair – RF
    Clevenger – C
    Valbuena – 3B
    Barney – 2B
    Campana – LF
    Dempster – P

    • BosephHeyden

      I’m not familiar with this guy playing left. Are you sure you didn’t misspell Mather?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Randy Wells had an arthroscopic procedure on his right elbow to remove debris. Likely done for year.

    • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

      Hopefully that can help him get right…

      • paulcatanese

        Agree, but unless he changes his delivery, this would be a chronic issue for him. He still was throwing like a position player, and that does not bode well as a pitcher.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

        Demp is gonna get booed outta Chicago if we dont deal him somewhere. Maybe the thought of that will force him into accepting a deal somewhere other then LAD. Hopefully the Cub fans are out in force today at PNC and let him have it, just so he knows what to expect if we tell the Dodgers to go jump.

      • J Daniel

        Needs more than surgery to get right.

    • Zonk

      With a $3 mil salary, he was a guaranteed non-tender anyway. He’ll be in another uniform next year.
      It’s too bad, he went from good, to inconsistent, to erratic, to just terrible, one year at a time.

  • paulcatanese

    Exciting lineup today, in more ways than one.

  • Zonk

    The Dodgers last night traded for Hanley Ramirez, and included Nate Eovaldi in the deal…….one of their starting pitchers. How are they going to replace one of their starters?
    Think they know something?

    • BosephHeyden

      Eovaldi is replaceable in the short term with what they have right now. The Dodgers have made no secret they want a starter. The only problem is they have nothing but salary relief to offer.

  • cubtex

    This Dempster fiasco is killing this trade dealine opportunity to aquire future pitching. He has basically put this team back even further. Why? Teams are moving on. Tigers are done with moves….Pirates picked up Wandy…..Braves say they are done with Dempster…..Dodgers aquired Hanley Ramirez……Cole Hamels resigned with Phils…..Anibal Sanchez will more tha likely resign with Tigers…..Zach Greinke will not be a fit in Chicago. So……..Free agent pitching market is depleted for next year. Trade partners have moved on. Now……..I have taken an about face on what to do with Garza and Maholm. They need to keep both of these starters for next year and look to move them at NEXT YEARS trade deadline. Still get rid of Dempster’s ass! Get what you can for him and move on. If for some miracle the Dempster/Delgado deal goes thru…….this could be the rotation for next year……..Garza Shark Delgado Maholm and T Wood. You are rolling the dice that Maholm repeats his success and can deal him next year to a contender and hoping Garza stays healthy. I don’t know where else starting pitching would come. They don’t have to trade Maholm and Garza this year so keep both and see how next year plays out.

    • Zonk

      ….or you can trade Maholm/Garza in the offseason; often you get a better return then. We figure NOT to contend next year, so that’s a viable strategy.

    • BosephHeyden

      Nothing the Dodgers have is worth getting. We have a better chance at picking up a better arm with the compensatory pick than we do with Gould, Withrow, Lee, or Webster. Plus, if he does stay on, which I doubt when he goes back to Wrigley and feels that hate, we’ll have more options to get from LA next year (and better ideas of what their prospects can actually do). Keeping him is a better move in the long term and short term.

      • J Daniel

        EXACTLY!

  • cubs1967

    OK, how did this trade for dempster get screwed up. is it team theo or dempster? 20% says team theo did not ask the right questions, like LA or bust? (i have a hard time believing this, team theo is not that dumb). 80% dempster. he lied. said atlanta would be OK; then said NO.(but not sayin yes, the braves had no choice but to move on).
    kerry wood left with class. ryan dempster is not. hoped he enjoyed his last cubs convention. lesson for the FO that no player with 10 and 5 rights can be trusted. congrats to them theo on a good trade with atlanta.
    the dodgers prospects sound like a waste; the lilly trade all over again. my cubby occurences intuition is telling me garza is going to the DL and bascially what looked like 3 good prospects/suspects coming here will be zero. bad enough this team tanked the season; now this.
    (memo to team theo-look at the 50M stadium deprived A’s-the original moneyball GM beane has their team in contention; you can win and build a farm system; it’s not one or the other).
    not sure why dempster is starting today; big risk.
    adios ryan the prick, you look like ronald mcdonald and act like a clown, in reality you are a clown. it’s not past any smart cubs fan knowing you want LA; not that they are better than the braves ; they are not, but you want to pad your stats in a pitcher’s park so you get a 2 0r 3 yr deal next year. whatever. your not a winner. or a professional. or a cub.
    it’s best for my family to strip you of your cubs pinstripes.

    • Zonk

      Rumor has it the leak came from the Atlanta front office, though of course everybody denies it. That’s what really screwed it up.
      I am sure front offices around baseball are speaking internally with their staffs today and reminding everyone to keep your mouths shut and not leak to the press. This is exhibit A of why.

      • cubs1967

        it doesn’t really matter if a trade got leaked; so that makes atlanta a bad option? please at least the family situation gives some credence to this mess, but beczu (sniff…sniff…honk….tissue) poor ryan could not have a should rub from theo first about the trade he is saying no by his inaction. whatever. dempster needs to grow up.

      • daverj

        I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal that a trade is leaked. Welcome to 2012. How does that effect the trade? He either was going to accept it the trade or not and it shouldn’t matter if people know about it. Atlanta and the Braves will be in the southeast and LA and the Dodgers will be in southern California whether a deal is leaked or not. If the leak contained information like “the Braves plan to move Dempster to the bullpen after the deal”, then things would be different and I could understand why the leak would upset him and cause him to veto the trade. But that is not the case here … the leak was just basic trade info.

  • cubtex

    Just looked at Allen Webster’s numbers. Not very impressive. He is repeating AA and gives up more hits than IP. Last year he had a 1.505 whip and this year a 1.466 whip.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      the guys pitching the best for the dodgers are down in Rookie ball or at Rancho Cucamungah err whatever that place is. Nothing close to ready aside from Ely. And thats if u even think hes ready!

      • Rational Logic

        Rancho Cucamungah – please tell me that’s a Workaholics reference

        • Rational Logic

          And for the record, I am aware that city exists and there is a baseball team there.

    • daverj

      I highly doubt Webster will ever be an impact starting pitcher. Maybe a middling middle reliever. I don’t want him.

      • John_CC

        Good luck today, Dempster. I think he’s gonna need it.

        And good luck to the hand-wringing lynch mob here, too. Take your xanax and wait till Monday!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

    If a deal with the Dodgers goes down it better be something like Webster, Ely, Federowicz, Alex Castellanos, Withrow and Gould. Which may seem like alot but its slim pickins in their farm. I know having Demp play out the year and making him a qualifying offer to get the pick may be best. But I dont wanna see this schmuck pitch one more inning for the team I love. Send him on his way but make LAD pay if at all possible.

  • daverj

    Latest Buster Olney Tweet indicates that the Cubs current plan is to keep Demp and make a qualifying offer. Good. I realize the Cubs would say this for leverage, but I’m happy to hear that team Theo is considering this option.

  • Denio

    I have to agree that Dempster has been a class act with the Chicago Cubs..
    But Team Theo sat down with Dempster months ago and discussed the direction of the team, and the team wanting to trade him for younger players.
    I am sure he discussed that he wanted the best for the team and for Ryan.. I am sure he only talked to teams that Ryan was ok with going to..
    A lot of time and effort was spent in working out these trades, and for Ryan to NIX the trade to the team that was second on his wish list is a problem… for me it is…

    • cubtex

      Couldn’t have said it better myself!

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      Full knowing Ryans desire to play in LAD foremost, you know they asked him which other teams would be ok. He definitely set us back in more ways then one here. And as much as i was a fan of Dempster as a player and a person before, I have lost all of that now. Then again hes Canadian, i guess we should have expected it.

  • Skeldor

    Buster Olney tweeted the Cubs are planning on keeping Dumpster and makin him a qualified offer on the off-season. I bet he would accept and screw the cubs again. I hope he gets booed during every start.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      Hopefully that news hits Demp, he gets booed like crazy by the Cubs fans at PNC today, then he goes up to Theo and says ok trade me wherever I cant stay here if its gonna be like that and even worse at Wrigley. Fingers crossed. Come on Cubbie faithful bring out the boo birds!

    • J Daniel

      He will get booed but it is no good for him to be bad.

  • RMercer69

    why are the Rangers not a viable trade partner if they need a starter?

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      with Hamels off the market they just may be now. More likely for Josh Johnson though, read that they would part with Mike Olt for him. We need to engage them about Garza if we havent already.

  • cubtex

    Here is what I would do with Dempster if they have to keep him. Move his ass to the bullpen. Tell him…….Hey Ryan I tried to get you a playoff contender where you had a chance to play on a winner and possibly make more money on your next contract but you declined. We have to do whats best for our future. We are moving you to the bullpen and gonna take a look at some other options. Thanks for your 1st half…….now take a seat in the bullpen!

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      But, would doing something like that negate the opportunity to receive the draft pick compensation for him later. Im not sure how those rules work with deciding what guys are eligible or not. Aside from that, I agree, screw him!

      • cubtex

        Wouldn’t negate anything or hurt Cubs future draft pick.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

          Ok, i guess my question is, how do they decide what players are compensated for. And is a bullpen guy less likely to be compensated for then a rotation guy? Id just hate to shoot ourselves in the foot doin something like that.

          • John_CC

            The new CBA stipulates that the team must make an offer that is the average of the top 125 salaries in the league, or something like that. Has nothing to do with position.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

            Ok, thank you very much, in that case, to the bullpen with him!

          • Brp921

            He would still have to be classified a class A free agent ,though, if I understand correctly, and relegating him to the bullpen would hurt the chances of that. They should just pitch him as they have been and hope he pitches well enouph to be classified as type A and then let him walk if he will and get the draft pick.

          • cubtex

            With the year he has had…he still would be.

    • John_CC

      That sure would be professional. And classy too boot!

      You are always talking about how quality FA don’t want to play for the Cubs…I bet treating your best veteran pitcher of the past 6 years like a teenager and “sending him to his room” would really open the flood gates of players wanting to come to Chicago!!

      • cubtex

        He doesn’t want to help the Cubs future……why help his?

        • John_CC

          Right – vindictive self-righteousness would be the best option. Teach him a lesson!

          • cubtex

            Now you are learning.

          • Ripsnorter1

            I’d say two things here:

            1.Team Theo says “we don’t need no stinkin’ free agents.” So what would it matter as far as public relations go?

            2. Team Theo says that they are creating a new culture in Wrigleyville, one where players hustle, and lackadaisical play is punished. So what’s wrong with punishing this “team player?” If they want to set an example, then by all means, set an example!

          • cubtex

            Here is the point. He will be 36 and command too much money for a rebuilding team like Cubs. He won’t be back. Why pitch him anymore if he is not part of future. To win a few more games and get a worse draft choice? Put him in the bullpen and let him walk next year.

  • daverj

    This is not what I want to happen … but I predict Demp to the Dodgers for Webster, Castellanos and Withrow. I further predict that Webster and Withrow are either career minor leaguers or middle relievers and that Castellanos develops into a solid utility player. Finally, I predict Delgado becomes a very good starting pitcher and that Dempster has now secured his place in Cubby lore for generations. Fast forward 30 years … Cubs trivia … Who was the Cub pitcher that vetoed a trade that would send him to the Braves for Randall Delgado?

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      Ding ding ding, we have a winner! You are about spot on. Dempster will go down the the Billy Goat and the Black Cat when Delgado goes on to have a long solid career. Braves fans were screaming Doyle Alexander in reverse when news of the Delgado deal broke. Demp has definitely cemented his place in Cubs Lore.

    • BosephHeyden

      Castellanos is a Tiger.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

        different player, Alex Castellanos, minor league OF for Dodgers

        • BosephHeyden

          Ah, okay. That makes a lot more sense. And looking at the fact he’s a 26 year old Triple A guy…yep, I see it, too.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    DeJesus with … wait, maybe not

    Little late, but Rizzo with a blast

    • John_CC

      Thank you! Let’s talk baseball! Not rumors and reputations!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Joe West strikes again

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Rizzo picked up DeJesus

  • DWalker

    Remember the good Dempster, even if he is being tarred and feathered now, he has been all that could be asked for outside the field in his time as a cub until now.
    Now that the initial anger over his recent actions has faded for the moment for me, I hope that in a few years, no matter what his decsion, his good deeds are remembered and when he makes his fairwell tour, if he makes a final start at chicago, no matter the team, the fans remember the good Dempster and not the dempster of the last few hours.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      That is a wonderful sentiment, but it will be even harder to swallow if at that point Delgado is a solid 2 or 3 somewhere and we are scuffling with the scrubs from the Dodgers. Ive said before, I always liked Demp, wanted him to be around the Cubs forever, preferably in the tv booth. But I just dont know, really hoping he accepts the ATL deal if its still on the board, then I think i can forgive him. But for now the wound is too fresh.

  • triple

    Well I think it’s safe to say that Theo and Jed just learned what happens when you are part of the Cubs organization.

  • nick_ss

    Hey Neil, I know it has been awhile, how are things going? Okay, I am sure I will get roasted by some on here for saying this, but I just wanted to weigh in on the Demp situation. First of all, He has EARNED the right to veto any trade, that’s why they give the 10-5 rights! God forbid he wants to stay in Chicago and possibly finish his career here. Personally In a time of free agency, trades, and money grubbing athletes, I think it says a lot about a player that might want to stay with one team to finish his career!
    Second, we have NO idea and will NEVER know what goes on behind closed doors, NONE of us (unless someone secretly works with Theo) knows what was said or agreed upon, and we never will.
    For people to want to Boo and Banish and root against our best pitcher on the staff with the best ERA in the league, Makes complete sense to me, Wow, Just WOW!!
    With that said, I am done with the issue!! It has been very refreshing to see this team play better as of late, hopefully it is a sign for things to come! Again thanks Neil and to all for putting in the hard work for this site!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      Regardless of earning that right, he gave a list of teams hed go to. If he truly wanted to stay and finish off his career here, He would have told Theo he wouldnt accept a trade ANYWHERE, and it would have never been an issue. We know for sure he would go to LA, so there was some sort of a list of possible destinations he agreed upon. He may have earned his 10/5 rights but he has earned every bit of criticism for his part in this ordeal as well.

      • nick_ss

        Like I said none of us truly know what went on behind closed doors. We can agree to disagree cause I am not going to harp on this subject.

        • RynoTiger

          Kudos to you Nick! I agree. The responses on here have been disgusting and distasteful in my opinion.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Hey Nick, sorry for the delay and it is great to hear from you. I hope the family is doing well.

      Thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate it.

      • nick_ss

        No problem Neil..Family is doing great! Can’t believe how fast the summer is going!! How is everything on your end?

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          I hear ya on the summer going quickly. Seems like it was just Memorial Day. Everything is good on my end, just preparing for what could be a busy weekend.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs lost 3-2 to Pirates Wednesday afternoon – Ryan Dempster: 3R,5H(2
    HR),0BB,6K,6IP; Anthony Rizzo: 2-for-3,HR,2RBI,BB; David DeJesus: 2-for-4,2B,R

    Recap will post later tonight

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Jon Paul Morosi: Alfonso Soriano is having an excellent season. Really. And there’s interest in him. Story here: http://t.co/uF3mUFvJ

    • BosephHeyden

      A fun fact that popped up on TV during today’s game: Soriano has no errors this year.

      • paulcatanese

        Along with that he has the best(azr) or whatever its called for left fielders(range,etc),and could(very outside chance) be considered for a gold glove, as its going to be each out field position not combined.
        And dont forget Barney, 80+ errorless games at 2nd.
        PS, my buddy may not see the lineup for another month,0-3.

    • Ale

      Rays just designated hideki matsuri for assignment. You can never count the rays out just look at what happened last year. I think soriano would be a perfect fit for them

  • paulcatanese

    Pitching did well today,could have used more offense, Rizzo,DeJesus looked great. Castro did not, as well as
    the rest of the lineup. In defense of LaHair he did square
    two balls up.
    Dempster did okay,as well as the bullpen, would have been nice to sweep.
    Soriono needed the rest, but was missed.

    • BosephHeyden

      I feel bad for LaHair, because any other ballpark and that second AB is a home run, and had Clint Hurdle not been a competent manager and swapped Garrett Jones out with Gorkys Hernandez, that last AB is a double.

      Also, Tony Campana looked off. I mean completely off. I didn’t see any of that speed he usually has. There was a grounder where the shortstop scooped it and threw it over with no sense of urgency, and he still had Campana beat by a step and a half. That same situation a month ago and it’s an infield single. Of course, you sit a guy on the bench for a month with no playing time and things like that happen.