Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Pirates – 07/24/12

Game Ninety-Six: Cubs (39-56) vs. Pirates (54-41)
Game Time – 6:05pm CDT
Coverage – TV: Comcast SportsNet – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 187/914
Location – PNC Park, Pittsburgh

Paul Maholm (8-6, 4.09/1.29) vs. James McDonald (10-3, 2.93/1.11)

The Cubs ended their three-game losing streak Monday night behind a superb outing from Jeff Samardzija and improved to 15-8 in their last 23 games. The Cubs’ offense has really struggled over the last four games. Dale Sveum’s team has scored a grand total of three runs and just two since the second inning of Friday’s game. The pitching staff has been doing a good job of late without much support and runs figure to be few and far between tonight with James McDonald on the mound.

When Neal Huntington acquired James McDonald and Andrew Lambo for Octavio Dotel and cash from the Dodgers at the deadline two years ago (2010), the Pirates’ GM did not make any headlines. But the deal for the underachieving McDonald has paid big dividends for the Pirates. McDonald started putting it together last season, has been outstanding this year and is one of the reasons the Pirates are 13 games over .500. Even the small deals at this time of year are important and not all trades can be evaluated correctly at the time a deal is done.

In other news Matt Garza has been pushed back at least a day before he makes his next start. Garza was scheduled to pitch Friday’s opener against the Cardinals at Wrigley. The Cubs announced Travis Wood will make the start against the Redbirds on Friday with Garza, for now, starting game two. Garza said he felt better Monday and wants to avoid the disabled list.

Tonight it all starts with Paul Maholm

Paul Maholm is in the middle of another excellent stretch and his string of solid outings has teams like the Pirates and Royals interested in trading for him. Maholm has not lost a game in just over a month (June 23 in Arizona) and is 4-0 in his last four starts.

Maholm tossed eight very good frames, with help from his defense, in his last outing against the Marlins. Maholm allowed one run on five hits with a walk and four strikeouts. In his last four starts, Maholm has walked four batters while striking out 20 batters.

Paul Maholm is 3-0 in his four appearances, three starts, with a 1.23 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP … and he will try to beat his old team for the first time tonight. Maholm took a no decision in his return to Pittsburgh after allowing two runs on four hits with a season-high five walks and two strikeouts in five innings. The Cubs lost the game 3-2 when Rafael Dolis hit Matt Hague with the bases loaded in the ninth inning.

Pirates Career Numbers against Paul Maholm

  • Pedro Alvarez – 1-for-3
  • Rod Barajas – 3-for-6 with a double and three walks
  • Clint Barmes – 13-for-29 with three doubles, a triple, two home runs and three walks
  • Josh Harrison – 0-for-2
  • Andrew McCutchen – 1-for-1 with two walks
  • Casey McGehee – 6-for-20 with a triple, a home run and four walks
  • Neil Walker – 1-for-2

The Cubs will get their first look of the season at the newly improved James McDonald. McDonald has always had the talent and he is putting it together this year.

After posting a 3-1 record in five starts last month with a 2.93 ERA and a 1.01 WHIP, McDonald is 3-0 in his last four starts with a 4.94 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP. McDonald was very good in his last outing prior to the break (one run on four hits with no walks and 10 strikeouts in seven innings against the Giants) but his All-Star snub has apparently gotten to him.

McDonald is coming off back-to-back rough outings. The Brewers torched McDonald in Milwaukee on July 13 (five runs, four earned, on eight hits with five walks and two strikeouts in 4 2/3 innings). McDonald picked up the win in his worst start of the year his last time out. The Pirates scored nine runs while McDonald allowed a season high six runs on nine hits with four walks and two strikeouts.

If the Cubs can score early tonight they will keep doubt in the mind of a young pitcher who is facing adversity for the first time this season.

James McDonald is 4-1 in eight starts at home this season with a spectacular 1.69 ERA and a 0.89 WHIP.

Tonight will be the fourth start of James McDonald’s career against the Cubs. McDonald is 0-1 in four appearances, three starts, against the Cubs with a 4.66 ERA and a 1.24 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against James McDonald

  • Darwin Barney – 2-for-7 with a walk
  • Tony Campana – 0-for-1
  • Starlin Castro – 2-for-9
  • Joe Mather – 0-for-2
  • Alfonso Soriano – 0-for-4 with a walk
  • Geovany Soto – 1-for-6 with a home run

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Update on Garza: Garza not expected to pitch until Monday at the earliest. Went back to CHI for the birth of his child.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Tonight’s lineup:

    DeJesus – CF
    Castro – SS
    Rizzo – 1B
    Soriano – LF
    LaHair – RF
    Soto – C
    Barney – 2B
    Valbuena – 3B
    Maholm – P

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      From Jon Heyman: Cubs have re-engaged the Dodgers about Dempster. Braves are still waiting. @CBSSports http://cbsprt.co/OfHOwM

      • J Daniel

        I know you are the messenger but I DO NOT DEAL WITH THE DODGERS – 2 can play at this game. The only thing is it can hurt the club. But, if they don’t like the Dodgers prospects the heck with them!

  • cc002600

    “Hello Theo, this is Ned Colletti.
    I just put the bag of balls in the mail. You should be getting them next week. When can Dempster get here ? Thanks, chump”

    WTF

  • Tom U

    Tonight’s minor league starters:

    Boise – Ian Dickson (1-3, 6.23)
    Daytona – Matt Loosen (8-3, 2.79)
    Tennessee – Eric Jokisch (5-2, 2.98)
    Iowa – Rodrigo Lopez (2-5, 4.73)

    Peoria has the night off.

    As Neil reported, Dan Vogelbach has been promoted to Boise. It hasn’t been posted yet on the Northwest League transactions, so a corresponding move is not known

  • Aaron

    The best the Cubs could possibly do from the Dodgers would be Zach Lee straight up for Dempster….which wouldn’t even come close to Delgado. Lee is all hype and nothing more.

    Since the Dodgers have already said they won’t trade Lee for a rental, the next best is Gould-a 20 year old righty that sits in the 88-91 mph range and Withrow-a 23 year old righty that sits in the 93-95 mph range, but can’t hit the broad side of a barn (aka…he’s the second coming of Casey Weathers), and he’s repeated AA for 4 straight years.

    If that’s the best return you can get, then you simply keep Dempster, not only to prove a point to other teams that you can’t be ripped off, but also to the player….forcing him to be miserable on an awful team, and watch while the teams he could’ve been traded to make the playoffs, then offer arbitration to him, forcing him to acknowledge that he wants to be on a losing team.

    I mean, this problem happened recently with Derrek Lee, and even ARAM I believe….where they’d rather play on a losing team than go to a contender the last few months of the season. The thing that absolutely blows my mind is that all 3 (Lee, ARAM, and now Dempster) knew the Cubs were going in a different direction the following season, and thus would not be looking to re-sign them, forcing them to move anyhow. Kids and school are always cited as reasons for not going, but what nobody in the media seems to do is challenge players with that line of thinking. For instance, school normally starts at the beginning of September (sometimes in late August depending on the state), so the maximum they would be away from their kids is about 1 1/2 months. HOWEVER, the thing that really annoys me, is that the players are on the road on average 4 days per week, so they’re not even around them anyhow. If the player knows the team is not going to re-sign him, he needs to get a new home anyhow, usually in a different city, and even if he decides to stay in the current city, the player most likely is going to be packing up in January for work-outs in another city, and often will move to their winter home near their Spring Training site at that time (if they area big $$ player).

    So….technically, the player either has to move his kids mid-year to the Spring Training site, or he’ll go from January-April without them, meaning that argument about kids and schools doesn’t even work.

    I think Dempster’s in for a rude awakening from Cubs fans with the way he’s handled this situation. I know I’m speaking for myself, but I also feel a majority of Cubs fans would be sad to see him go….but now? It’s more like GOOD RIDDANCE….we don’t need anymore losers like him on this team. Look what happened with Derrek Lee. The fact that he turned down a deal to go to a winner early on basically destroyed his career, and he’s now out of baseball. What winning team in the world would try to court you as a free agent if you turned down other offers to go to a contending team the year before?

    • EqDoc

      Lee’s daughter’s eye doctors are in Chicago and I believe Dempster’s daughter’s doctors are in Chicago as well. I can understand why they may not want to move. ARAM, no reason what so ever… he’s just an ass.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

        But his Drs are still in Chicago if he gets traded to LAD. Come on thats a cop out. He will be away for a few months, if the family wants to come down and live out of a hotel while hes in atlanta they can ask their dr for a referal to one down there. Im sure drs in that field know others. And why didnt they start looking for Drs when trade rumors started months ago. They knew it was eminent. I mean if Chicago truely is the only place he can find a Dr for his child, he should have accepted the deal, went away for a few months then resigned here. But hes burned that bridge now, so no matter what hes gonna be lookin for a new Dr.

      • scott

        thank you EqDoc, Dempster has contract rights, a family, a home. Don’t shoot the messenger here. Not his fault the Dodgers wont pony up the ante. If you don’t like it Keep him. He DOESN’T have to go to Atlanta.

      • Breeden

        I do hear tell that in “lanta, they’s have indoor plummin! An soon, maybe even ‘lectricity!

      • Aaron

        Lee’s daughter was later found out to not have that condition they feared.

        As for doctors, schools, etc., I already outlined that….it’s a crock that they use that excuse and still get away with it.

    • J Daniel

      AGREE, I posted above, 2 can play at this game! If I am Theo I tell him you have 2 choices – YES to Atlanta or stay here, we offer arbitration, and we go through this again next year. Your options Mr. Dempster!

      • triple

        I just replied to your statement above too, and I honestly think that is the best way to go about it! Theo has to do what’s right for the Cubs first, and Dempster 2nd. No reason to weaken your own hand by Dempster’s doings.

    • Dnuge44

      Dempster will not go any place & you are right Cub fans may not like it, he has not handled this well at all. another point he is not worth what a lot of Cub fans think he is. I would not trade a #1 prospect for a rental like Dempster who has been on the DL twice this year ! He is over rated !

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Frank Wren: Wren on Dempster deal: “It’s not dead. The way we view it is, we are continuing to pursue all pitching opportunities and if this deal materializes, we have the framework of a deal with the Chicago Cubs.”

    Wren on Dempster: “Quality individual and quality player. I think we understand the situation because of our knowledge of Ryan.”

    • Aaron

      Neil,

      I assume you’ve watched Moneyball….In the scene with Rincon, I have spoken with friends of mine in player development, and that is very accurate with what goes on.

      Deals come on the table quickly and deals fall off the table quickly. Teams like the Dodgers, Braves, Jays, Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, etc., that need help….they’re working the phones on several different players, and if a team/player is holding the thing up, they’ll move quickly to find another solution.

      In the case of sellers like the Cubs, Mariners, Astros, etc., contending teams can back them into a corner and say, “take it or leave it”, which is probably why the Ichiro and Happ deals seemingly went down so quickly (though reports are they’d been working on it for about a week), and if the sellers drag their feet even a little bit, they’ll move on quickly.

      I have no doubt that Theo and company had multiple deals on the table for both Dempster and Garza. In fact, they’ve all but confirmed it, and said they were working on final offers.

      The Jays might’ve even had an offer on the table for Garza before moving onto Happ…who knows? Happ isn’t close to the pitcher that Garza is, but it was interesting to see that trade go down, and meanwhile the Cubs seemingly are sitting on their thumbs, allowing a player to essentially hold them hostage.

      Allowing Dempster to make his start tomorrow would be one of the worst decisions I could possibly think of. Either you tell him to go away and think about the trade to the Braves and tell him to go home, or you tell him that he can make his start tomorrow, but he’s staying on a losing team the rest of the year.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

        Yeah with a trade pending, im sorry but hes not making a start and risking injury to completely take the trade off the table. Hes gonna sit in the bullpen dugout, or be at home figuring it all out and not pitch till he decides. I do have a feeling that maybe he wants the post game tomorrow after his game as the platform for his decision though on his terms.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Aaron, for what it’s worth, Levine reported earlier that the Jays are still very interested in Garza. Pushing that start does not help.

        I have seen Moneyball and I understand deals come and go quickly. Both sides potentially have a lot to lose if he takes the mound tomorrow. Let’s see what happens.

      • J Daniel

        Yep, skip his start.

      • Ripsnorter1

        My gut says tomorrow’s start will be like his last, or worse. And his last wasn’t great, either.

        • cubtex

          I have a feeling you are right. With all this distraction he will probably get lit up.

  • Aaron

    What pisses me off most about Dempster (he can say all he wants about giving 100% blah blah blah) is the fact that he said he wants to do what’s best for the organization….

    The trade with Atlanta was CLEARLY best for the organization as it included Delgado, an ACTUAL prospect, while the Dodgers were peddling nothing more than 4.50+ERA non-prospect pitchers that were listed as top prospects in a Dodgers system that is otherwise barren…simply because they HAVE TO LIST them.

    If he had kept his mouth shut about “doing what’s best for the organization”, then I don’t think anyone would have a problem. But Derrek Lee did the exact same thing…said the exact same thing, and totally screwed the Cubs in their return for him.

    Fans have every right to boo a player to begin with, but they have even more of a case to boo a player that seems to enjoy losing….which is what Dempster is proving right now….that he’d rather pitch a meaningless game for a dreadful team than start for a playoff contender.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

      Well said, if he hadnt proclaimed his Love of the Cubs and the City and willingness to do whats best for them, i wouldnt care one bit about this. But this is a stab right in the chest. And he would fully deserve each and every boo he gets.

  • Meoli

    Welcome to Chicago Theo & Co. ….

    I believe you just had your first “Cubby Occurrence”!

  • Tony_Hall

    Castro with a blast!

  • paulcatanese

    Enough on the trade, Cubs are playing right now and Castro just hit a home run.

  • Tony_Hall

    Just getting to read the Talkin Live for today…

    “Even the small deals at this time of year are important and not all trades can be evaluated correctly at the time a deal is done.”

    Well said!

  • Jim

    Have we traded for Brian Roberts yet??;))

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Not yet … Hendry still wants to hold on to Rich Hill, Sean Marshall and Felix Pie.

  • triple

    What’s this aggressive and smart baseball we are playing? Taking pitches and making the pitcher throw strikes. Then stealing bases and hitting homeruns! Who stole Cubs jerseys and took the field?

    • BrutalTruth

      what a bunch of turncoats on this board.

      • Tony_Hall

        Actually just the opposite, the people on here are Cubs fans first. Even though, I think too many people have made this into way, way bigger deal that it should be at this point, almost everyone on here is being loyal to the Cubs.

        Let’s hope that in the end Dempster thinks of the Cubs team and does the right thing.

        • paulcatanese

          Yeah Tony, lets talk about Tinker to Evers to Evers to Chance, Think I saw them play once in a while:):)
          Actually the three did not get along at all, but proves they played the game on the field.

  • Tom U

    Dan Vogelbach starting at 1B and batting 5th for Boise tonight.

    • Dorasaga

      That’s an error on Castro*. Maholm still good into the 8th. Giddya, boy!

      *Recorded as a hit.

    • Tom U

      I just saw Vogelbach’s first AB (a soft liner for an out). To answer Paul’s question about his condition…well, let’s just say I just noticed the west side of my house is about an inch lower in the ground.

  • matthew8510

    well pirates got wandy rodriguez so that means no maholm for them

    • Tony_Hall

      “The Pirates and Astros are nearing an agreement on a trade that would send left-handed starter Wandy Rodriguez to Pittsburgh, according to Tim Singer of MLB.com.

      Let’s wait until this one gets officially announced.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Cubs beat the Pirates 5-1 Tuesday night – Paul Maholm: 1R,4H,1BB,7K,8IP; Starlin Castro:
        1-for-5,HR; David DeJesus: 1-for-4,2B,2RBI,BB; Alfonso Soriano: 2-for-4,HR,2RBI

      • cubtex

        Why wait? Its not a Cubs trade :)

        • Tony_Hall

          Because it might not happen…sometimes these things get leaked and people blow up over things that have not happened yet and may never will. Just read the last couple of days on here, and you can see so much over reaction, to what really is nothing happening.

          • cubtex

            How many trades have we seen recently that got leaked……kicked out? One……the Cubs.

          • Tony_Hall

            Carlos Lee was traded, it was leaked and we watched him go days before finally say no.

          • cubtex

            OK I’ll give you Lee…but there was always a question that he would accept a deal to any club. Theo met with Dempster before to lay the groundwork. We have 2 scenarios either Theo was an idiot to negotiate with the Braves without getting approval from Dempser first…..or Dempster is backing off playing hardball after he told Theo he would go to Atlanta. I bet it is the second.

          • Tony_Hall

            I think Dempster is just caught in a situation, he didn’t think he would be in. He thought LA would trade for him, and even though he has been the good soldier, saying all the right things (until Monday) he really only wants to go to LA. So, give him a few days, to let him talk himself into it, and unless the Dodgers increase their offer, he will be in Atlanta. Even DLee ended up accepting the trade, and he was totally against even being traded to begin with.

    • cubtex

      Yep. Said that earlier. Less buyers for Cubs players=Less return

      • Tony_Hall

        Not necessarily. If a team wants to trade for a SP, then they have to pay so much or it’s just not worth the team to trade the player away. So when the clock is ticking, the pressure is on the team that wants to add, not the team who is out of it.

  • matthew8510

    i say let maholm go 1 more hes at 109 i would let him go to 125 but we all know how this is gonna play out

    • matthew8510

      i knew it

      • matthew8510

        cubs have a rule there are to be no complete games allowed if you do you are suspended indefinitely

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          Matthew, I know this really bothers you. When I say this I mean no disrespect. I do not have a problem with Sveum pulling his starters after a certain point for a team that is 16 games under .500. I can remember so many extra innings that were put on Zambrano’s arm for a team that was going no where.

          • matthew8510

            ya makes sense it just happens everytime,its nice sometimes to see a starter go all the way especially when a team is 16 games under.we have had plenty of chances but i see were your coming from.thankx for putting it in perspective for me.

  • Dorasaga

    Scrappy Reed hits again.

  • triple

    Especially if the Cubs can get another run on the board, I think it would be great to give the ball to James Russell and let him get his confidence back.

  • Tony_Hall

    Got to love our young double play combo!

    Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Castro-to-Barney-to-Rizzo

      • Tony_Hall

        Could be even better than Tinkers-to-Evers-to-Chance

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trevor-Petersma/565104388 Trevor Petersma

    I’d have to think that Maholm is only increasing his value right now…I wouldn’t mind keeping him around but this might be the best “trade high” scenario you will get for him

    • paulcatanese

      I would like to see him stay too, just saying that of the three he will draw the most interest, and he is proving it with each start. Leftys are hard to come by.(although the Cubs seem to see plenty of them), they come out of the woodwork to pitch agains the Cubs, but thats starting to turn around also.

  • paulcatanese

    Have said this before, Maholm is the one that teams will want.

    • cubtex

      Not the Pirates anymore

      • paulcatanese

        Right, but bet the players dont agree with that, they may not want to face Maholm again.
        I personally hope the Cubs keep him, along with Soriono for next year.
        And this July looks a lot like last year, not getting much done:)

  • Aaron

    Great start by Maholm…great play by Castro too with his home run, and the pick in the hole at SS.

    Maholm just might be worth keeping around, especially at his salary next year. Maybe he’s finally figured it out?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Updates on the Dempster situation:

    Dempster says might take much of the next week to consider
    options, says he’s taking time to weigh options on what’s right for him and his family Dempster plans to star for the Cubs tomorrow (Wednesday)

    From the Sun-Times: Asked if 100% chance starts for cubs
    wed, said “yeah, that’s what my mindset is.” Atlanta deal indefinite hold at best.

    From the Sun-Times: Dempster says would prefer more options
    (read Dodgers). Dempster added, “I have a pretty good idea of where I want to go.” Wouldn’t discuss Braves/LA. Willing to take until the deadline to decide.

    Dempster says Cubs did not “blindside” him, but media did and the decision “gets harder when something that wasn’t supposed to become public knowledge becomes public knowledge.”

    Dempster reiterated taking time to make best decision for
    him and family. Has said priority is opp to win. But “there’s all kinds of things that come into play”

  • BosephHeyden

    I don’t fault him for making no decision or just saying “no”. The response on the board here are the exact responses Atlanta wanted to get from the Cubs fans. He either says “yes” and goes to Atlanta and a situation he maybe didn’t want or he stays in Chicago and becomes a pariah. That his next start is in Pittsburgh is great, because I get the feeling that if his next start was in Chicago, he would get a lusty amount of undeserved boo’s.

  • The Maven

    Like I said on the the last string, didn’t we do this a couple of years ago with Derek Lee?

  • J Daniel

    Bunch of B.S.!!!!

  • triple

    This is true. Like it or not. Demp really did get screwed over a little. No I’m not playing the “poor Dempster” game, but he deserved the privacy of making this decision without legions of passionate fans knowing about it. Obviously he wants the Dodgers, but I think if the Cubs don’t get a better offer from L.A., then he will probably accept the trade to Atlanta as long as their offer is still on the table, which is unclear to me. The CBA gives him that opportunity whether we like it or not. We can only hope though that the Dodgers lose their next 5 games while the Braves win theirs to make that move more appealing to Dempster.

    And really I think the hard part about this situation is moving his daughter somewhere new and having to find the right doctors for her medical problems. If he doesn’t go to Atlanta, I just assume he stays right in Chicago, whether we like it or not.

  • cc002600

    Why would it be undeserved ?

    If he didn’t want to go to the Braves, why didn’t he say that 2 months ago to save the cubs the trouble ? Don’t you find that rude ?

    Sorry, but he’s being a total ass.

    Hopefully he will change his mind, and accept the trade, but as a cub fan, I’m really annoyed.

  • J Daniel

    Should not have them on his list of approved teams then!

  • triple

    Can someone please explain to me how the Dodgers won’t offer enough for Dempster, due to their depleted farm system and suggesting that they need more offensive help than pitching? But then they come out and say they are interested in Garza. If they aren’t willing to give up enough for Demp, then how the hell can they even think about Garza, especially when they say that they are more in need of offense. If I were Theo I don’t even know if I’d want to deal with L.A. at all at this point. F them for being stingy and pulling that card that they don’t need pitching and offense is more important to them while trying to get a bargain for Dempster, but then they have the audacity to announce they want Garza.

  • cc002600

    Ever hear of a word called “leverage” ???
    Thank your boy Demp for boxing the cubs in.

  • cubs1967

    doesn’t matter garza is hurt. now it’s monday at the earliest. next it will be the DL and he won’t be going anywhere. even with zach lee; he does not compare to delgado. i see no point in dempster to dodgers now either.
    talk about cubby occurrences. demp gets hurt, comes back, does great, is traded for good prospect/major leaguer, won’t go, garza looks great, leaves after 3 IP hurt, start pushed back, soon DL. WOW! WOW! WOW!
    we get no breaks as fans. even in a tanked season where the highlight has been rizzo and the suspects to be acquired; now even that is screwed up.
    just unreal.

  • DWalker

    they don’t, but they’ll try anyway. Lee is the only card they really have to play, but they don’t want to offer him for dempster since dempster is trying to force the cubs hand for them anyway. for garza, they just plain don’t have enough compared to what other clubs could offer to even package with lee. Its all part of the game though, and its probably all going to come down to the wire.

  • cubs1967

    for 69 M dollars; his cubs lifetime salary; I’ll make the decision in public. i’ll even have everyone over for a BBQ to say goodbye.
    screwed over……..get real.

  • scottm

    He said Theo kept him informed and wasn’t happy with the way Atlanta handled it. He does have the 10/5 rights. Would have accepted the trade if they handled it professionally.

  • scott

    so if u have a job(dollars are irrelavent) and you have a trust with your boss. And he is talking about transferring u and will let U know. Then someone comes up to U to tell where u r going before your bosses have a chance to. U wouldn’t have a problem. You just got moved from one dept to another and ur boss didn’t actually tell you it had or had not happened. Thats okay?

  • scottm

    he earned that leverage. It wasn’t “given” to him. Also Dodgers might have the package they just don’t want to offer it. They have enough for Dempster not enough for Garza IMHO.

  • cubtex

    Don’t waste the Cubs time during one of the most important trade deadline times in recent history by telling them you will go to the Braves….and then play hardball. Shi##y move. Makes the Cubs look bad and maybe the Braves decide not to deal with the Cubs in the future. He could have other trades done if not for Dempster.

  • Aaron

    so…to recap, he would’ve accepted a trade, but wasn’t happy that it got leaked, before he would’ve accepted the trade…WHAT?!?!?

    I guess he’s okay with trying to prove a point, wasting his arm pitching for a team pushing for the worst record in all of baseball than starting on a team with playoff aspirations as soon as tomorrow

  • Skeldor

    10/5 rights have come back to haunt the Cubs again. I dislike that rule

  • Ripsnorter1

    That is what is commonly called “baloney.”

    Come on! What a sissy-statement! “I would have okayed the deal if the Braves would have handled it differently.”

    HE’S A WOMAN. AND THAT IS A LIE.

  • Skeldor

    I think he meant leverage with the Dodgers. Why would the increase any offer knowing Dempster won’t accept a trade to anybody else.

  • cc002600

    no, no, no.
    I don’t give a crap about Dempster’s leverage.

    I’m talking about the Cubs leverage with the Dodgers. If Dempster is now limiting the teams to which he will accept a trade, why should the Dodgers give the cubs anything, when they don’t have to ? The cubs are now boxed in. Either they take a bag of balls from the Dodgers or they keep him. That is now their options.

    Thank you Ryan.

  • scottm

    He has choices. U might not like them. He has a family, a social life and a job. He DOESN’T have to take another

  • J Daniel

    AGREED! He knew he was going to be traded and knew what the teams would possibly be because of who he would agree to. REALLY? Come on man, go lose another playoff start!

  • paulcatanese

    Dempster is a public figure, period. Getting upset at what happened, too bad.
    His family does come first, everyone’s does.
    But to say that he is upset from “the leak” is pure nonsense and really dosent apply.

  • BosephHeyden

    Just replying to keep the chain moving, but did anyone consider Atlanta wasn’t on Dempster’s list? We have no idea what the story is. The things we do know:

    1) Theo sat down with Dempster.
    2) Dempster told Theo he would accept trades to certain teams
    3) Atlanta made an offer for Dempster and then leaked it to the press.
    4) Dempster did not like the fact the media has this information.

    That’s all we know with 100% accuracy. I do think Dempster will help Atlanta a lot. But right now, realistically, Atlanta is fighting for a Wild Card spot. The Nationals have been built up for the past four or five years to be the team they are right now, and they are probably going to win the NL East. Atlanta is going to contend. But they’re a Wild Card contender at best, even with Dempster. And preferring a team that is going to wind up fighting out a one game playoff for that fourth spot in the NL playoffs is unlikely. Meanwhile, the Dodgers are in a wide open division that they’ll likely be competing in up until the last week of September and, worst case scenario, they get a Wild Card spot.

    Until I hear more, I’m not going to throw a guy under the bus who’s done everything the team asked of him up until this week.

  • BosephHeyden

    See my above post.

  • scottm

    AMEN in a nutshell.

  • cc002600

    1.) Yup
    2.) Yes, Braves were on the list, otherwise why would cubs talk to them ?
    3.) BFD – Get over it, Ryan. This is 2012, and the world we live in now.
    4.) See #3 – cry me a river

  • Ripsnorter1

    Dempster had the Braves #2 on the list behind the Dodgers.

  • Tony_Hall

    That has to be an improvement…a Cubs team that just let the opposing pitcher walk the bases loaded.

  • Dorasaga

    Hence, I’ve been enjoying this improved team; this looks like another good game, produced by Your N.L. Central. Dejesus RBI DOUBLE!

  • Denver Mike

    Good piece of hitting by DeJesus to make them pay for those walks. You could see his eyes light up when he saw another curve coming.

  • triple

    That is one thing I’ve always liked about Soto, he’s never afraid to take a walk… he has gotten away from that in recent history though.

  • Tony_Hall

    Just in case you haven’t looked…

    I’m up 47.30-26.0 :)

  • Dorasaga

    Rizzo’s first career steal? And BOOMer-roper Soriano. That’s why he’s a low ball hitter; that’s a fastball down but middle.

  • Tony_Hall

    Soriano has to be getting the attention of an AL team….doesn’t he?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Excellent outing for Maholm

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

    youd think so.

  • cubtex

    Keep him. He will protect Rizzo next year until they find another righthanded power bat.

  • Dorasaga

    It’s currently standing at 44-33. LaRoche is still good.

  • BrutalTruth

    I used to have respect for Aaron’s insight and opinion, but now I have completely lost that respect.

  • cubtex

    And now the fallback from Dempster fiasco……….Pirates are close to aquiring Wandy Rodriguez. They aren’t waiting for Maholm. If Theo is still insistant on dealing Dempster first he is screwing himself out of several trade partners. Teams are not going to sit around and wait.

  • triple

    You know, if it played out that the Cubs don’t move any of those 3 pitchers, and they continue to play ball the way they have been. I don’t think its totally impossible that they can get on a good streak and actually be in the wildcard race. Not saying it’s gonna happen, but funnier things sure have happened in this game that we love so much… just usually not in favor for the Cubs.

  • Tony_Hall

    Where have you seen Theo say he is insisting on dealing Dempster first? That is just an assumption. If someone offered up enough for Garza, he would already be gone.

  • paulcatanese

    You are right, but wouldnt it be a kick if no trades are made and this present group has a very strong finish, possible:)

  • Tony_Hall

    Not if someone will pay even a small part of his pay (obviously less than $5M/year) and return a decent prospect. They can sign someone to play LF for under $5M on a one year deal, if needed.

  • cubtex

    I doubt they will get a decent prospect for him. Why pay all his salary for a fringe prospect who will never see an inning in the majors? He is the only righthand power bat they have. And you have to agree that the Cubs are better off with Soriano in the outfield next year than LaHair.

  • Tony_Hall

    Next year, Soriano will be a year older, he will be even less mobile in LF, and is likely to miss time for more injuries.

    As far as “better off” it depends on your view of what better would be. I say the team is “better off” moving on from Soriano, and playing Lahair, and trying to get some prospects for Soriano.

  • J Daniel

    EXACTLY!

  • cubtex

    Playoffs?????? Did you say Playoffs??????

  • Tony_Hall

    Such a great line, that is soooo fitting here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

  • cubtex

    LaHair should carry Soriano’s bag to the field. He is not even half the player Soriano is no matter what the age.

  • Tony_Hall

    Obviously Soriano’s career is 10x better than Lahair’s will ever be. And yes he should be carrying the old man’s bag to the field. But what does that have to do, with what is best for the 2013 Cubs and beyond…nothing!

  • cubtex

    meaning… I would rather see Soriano play than LaHair next year. The obvious reason is that he is a better player and more of an asset to the team than LaHair.

  • Aaron

    Seriously? Just because I called out the guy for lying? As I said….I NEVER would’ve had a problem if he hadn’t said he wanted to do what’s best for the team. Fact is, once he did that, he opened himself up for criticism. When he was in Atlanta, and said he would likely accept a trade there, it opened him up even further. The final nail in the coffin for him was today when he said he would’ve accepted if the trade wasn’t leaked

  • triple

    Braves won and the Dodgers have imploded against the Cardinals. Hope this trend will continue so Demp will realize his best bet is Atlanta, suck it up, and just accept the deal already.

  • J Daniel

    YEP!

  • Aaron

    VERY good post by Rob G at the TCR today. Here are a few excerpts:

    *********************************************************************************
    So the latest on the Dempster saga is that Ryan Dempster was “blindsided” by the trade yesterday and because of this, he’s going to take the full week to decide. Rumors are that he strongly prefers to go the Dodgers and seems to be trying to push the Cubs into accepting a deal from them, although it certainly won’t be as good as getting Randall Delgado from the Braves.Other things Dempster has been blindsided by (a few I’m stealing from Twitter):- His Birthday- the birth of his chidren- the start of the season- spring training- warmer temperatures in the summerYeah, it would have been great if the Cubs got to him before the news leaked out, but you work in a multi-billion dollar business with reporters that are good at their job, throwing a temper tantrum over it isn’t particularly professional.It’s certainly true that Ryan Dempster doesn’t owe the Cubs anything and does not need to feel obligated relinquish his 10/5 rights because of pressure from the front office or the fans. But he is being a bit of a two-faced ass about the whole thing, isn’t he?Now please don’t confuse that statement into thinking I’m upset at all, afterall it’s just baseball and this is really nothing more than expensive entertainment. But from the reports over the last few weeks, I find it hard to come to the conclusion that Dempster was truly blindsided by yesterday’s report and I do come to the conclusion that he really just wanted to go to Los Angeles, but certainly didn’t make that clear to the Cubs.Now with the caveat that I in no way know everything that was discussed, let’s pick apart what has been put out in the public.”I’m not an idiot. I know what’s going on. I just try and enjoy it””I’m not an idiot, but what is this twitter and Internet and how does information spread so quickly? And how is this possible that news got leaked? Theo and Jed should not have let that happen!!! What do you mean there’s a second party where that leak may have come out of? You lie!!! Lying liars!”
    Now there’s a Ken Rosenthal article out there that doesn’t have any direct quotes from Dempster, but it does claim to say that the Braves were Dempster’s second choice and further states, “Dempster, according to one source, has told the Cubs that he is open to many clubs and given them only a handful of teams that he would reject.”……and below his original post, he has this zinger of a comment:new astros GM a lot better at this getting rid of players thing than Jedstein so far…C. Lee, B. Myers, W. Rodriguez, and Lyon.************************************************

    Couldn’t agree more…well done Rob G.

  • J Daniel

    I posted last week why trade Maholm and most everybody was saying because his value is high. Hell, that is what I want – a starting pitcher that wins games and is relatively affordable.

    Can’t go trading everyone. I even made the suggestion of keeping Maholm and Garza as #3 and #4 with Wood as a #5. The problem is getting a #1 and #2 along with some more offense. But that would be a pretty good 3-5.

    Oh yes, they can trade him for prospects which we all know are suspects . . . Maybe Maholm has figured it out and will be Jamie Moyer? Probably would have worked out if they kept him to.

    To many people are to quick to give up on guys and it comes back to bite them in the . . .

    Ryan Dempster, as much as he is a class act, needs to grow a set and go the Atlanta tomorrow.

    If I am the Cubs I do not start him tomorrow.

  • Tony_Hall

    What if they can trade Soriano, get back $5M a year, trade Lahair by including him in a deal, that returns a better prospect, and then sign a stop gap for $3M for 1 year.

    You do realize that Soriano will decline again. That this resurgence won’t last forever. At some point, his defense will take a step back, and his bat will slow again, needing to go to an even lighter bat. It has been great watching him turn back the clock and put together a great season. But it won’t last for 2 more seasons.

    Of course these are all the reasons why a team doesn’t want to give up prospects and pay any more of his contract than the league minimum. His asset value is negative, due to his contract and will only be more of a negative if his play takes this step back.