Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Cardinals – 07/20/12

Game Ninety-Two: Cubs (38-53) vs. Cardinals (47-45)
Game Time – 7:15pm CDT
Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 186/914
Location – Busch Stadium, St. Louis

Ryan Dempster (5-3, 1.86/1.02) vs. Kyle Lohse (9-2, 2.80/1.10)

After another successful homestand, the Cubs begin a difficult six-game road trip tonight with the first of three against the Cardinals. The trip concludes Wednesday in Pittsburgh. Dale Sveum’s team is 4-4 against the Redbirds and this weekend is the Cubs final series in St. Louis this season. The Cubs will face the Cardinals and Pirates exclusively over the next 12 games. After three in St. Louis and Pittsburgh, the Cubs host the Cardinals and Pirates for a six-game stint at Wrigley … 26 of the Cubs next 32 games are against teams in the central.

After tonight’s matchup of Ryan Dempster and Kyle Lohse, Matt Garza and Jake Westbrook are penciled in to start game two with Travis Wood facing Lance Lynn in the finale Sunday afternoon.

The Cubs are playing their best ball of the season (14-5 in last 19, 5-0-1 in last six series) in the midst of all of the trade rumors and pending change to the roster and clubhouse.

Ryan Dempster may or may not take the ball for Dale Sveum tonight. Dempster is in the middle of the longest scoreless innings streak in the majors this season (33 innings) and is drawing a lot of interest. Casey Coleman will reportedly meet up with the team but will not be activated unless Dempster is traded … or if the newly acquire Justin Germano cannot make it to the park on time.

Bryan LaHair must be glad the Cubs will face Cardinals pitching in six of their next 12 games. LaHair is in a slump (.229/.289/.314/.604, one home run in last 12 games) and five of his 14 home runs this season have come against the Redbirds. LaHair owns a .343/.410/.771/1.182 slash line in 10 career games against the Cardinals.

Pat Hughes will be in Cooperstown this weekend for the enshrinement of Ron Santo.

Tonight it all starts with Ryan Dempster

Ryan Dempster is in the middle of his best stretch in a Cubs’ uniform. Dempster has not allowed an earned run since the fifth inning of a game against the Padres on May 30 … Carlos Quentin took him deep, a two-run shot. After three excellent starts against the Brewers, Twins and Red Sox, Dempster spent three weeks on the shelf but has not skipped a beat since he returned from the DL.

Dempster pitched five innings of shutout ball against the Mets in the final game before the break then added six more scoreless innings to his streak the last time out against the Diamondbacks. Dempster was not sharp, struggled with his command, but seemed to improve as the game went on. Dempster is 5-0 in his last five games with a 0.00 ERA and a 0.69 WHIP (20 hits, six walks and 21 strikeouts in his last 33 innings).

Ryan Dempster is 3-1 in seven road starts with a 0.95 ERA and a 0.85 WHIP.

Tonight will be Dempster’s second start of the season against the Cardinals. Ryan Dempster received a no decision on May 14 in St. Louis after allowing four runs on nine hits with a walk and five strikeouts in six innings. Dempster owns a career mark of 8-8 in 48 games, 22 starts, against the Redbirds with a 4.57 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP.

Cardinals Career Numbers against Ryan Dempster

  • Carlos Beltran – 6-for-12 with a home run and three walks
  • Lance Berkman – 19-for-65 with two double, six home runs and 16 walks
  • Matt Carpenter – 0-for-1
  • Allen Craig – 1-for-6
  • Daniel Descalso – 2-for-5 with a walk
  • Jim Edmonds – 9-for-32 with three doubles, two home runs and seven walks
  • David Freese – 2-for-10 with a double and two walks
  • Rafael Furcal – 6-for-41 with three doubles and seven walks
  • Matt Holliday – 7-for-24
  • Jon Jay – 4-for-18 with a triple and two walks
  • Kyle Lohse – 0-for-5
  • Yadier Molina – 15-for-40 with three doubles and five walks
  • Skip Schumaker – 22-for-51 with four doubles and two walks

Kyle Lohse has been very good for the Cardinals this season. Lohse has struggled with consistency throughout his career but not this year. After posting a 4-0 record in his first five starts with a 1.62 ERA and a 0.84 WHIP, Lohse stumbled a little in May (1-1 in six starts with a 5.08 ERA and a 1.57 WHIP) but was able to get back on track in June (2-1 in five starts with a 1.80 ERA and a 0.86 WHIP).

Lohse took a no decision in his last outing against the Reds (two runs on eight hits with a walk and three strikeouts in six innings) and is 2-0 in his last three starts with a 2.66 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP.

Kyle Lohse is 4-1 in eight home starts this season with a 2.78 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP.

Tonight will be Lohse’s second start of the year against the Cubs. Lohse took a no decision on May 15 in St. Louis after surrendering five runs on nine hits with no walks and five strikeouts in 6 2/3 innings. Lohse is 2-4 in 14 career starts against the organization that selected him in the 29th round of the 1996 draft with a 5.59 ERA and a 1.51 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Kyle Lohse

  • Jeff Baker – 1-for-5
  • Darwin Barney – 4-for-11 with a double
  • Tony Campana – 3-for-6
  • Starlin Castro – 3-for-14
  • David DeJesus – 9-for-19 with a triple, a home run and a walk
  • Ryan Dempster – 2-for-6
  • Reed Johnson – 4-for-10 with a walk
  • Bryan LaHair – 3-for-6 with a home run
  • Alfonso Soriano – 18-for-47 with four doubles, three home runs and two walks
  • Geovany Soto – 6-for-18 with three double and a walk

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  • Neil

    Tonight’s lineup:

    DeJesus – CF
    Castro – SS
    Rizzo – 1B
    Soriano – LF
    LaHair – RF
    Clevenger – C
    Barney – 2B
    Valbuena – 3B
    Dempster – P

  • Neil

    Dempster is in the Cubs’ clubhouse preparing for tonight’s start.

    Also, Justin Germano made it to St. Louis. The official word is Casey Coleman will return to Iowa.

    • Jim Canavan


  • Sonate

    If Demp actually starts this game, Theo is farther from a trade than has been indicated.

    • Tony_Hall

      Yes and no.

      All trades are either done or not done. There really is no middle area.

      • cubtex

        Thank you Yogi Berra

        • Aaron


        • bluekoolaidaholic

          Dejas vu all over again.

      • Mike Simala

        “It aint over till its over”

    • paulcatanese

      Don’t know about that one, players have been traded in the middle of a game, called off the field and told then that they have been traded.

  • cc002600

    Something tells me the cubs aren’t getting squat for Dempster. Nobody is going to give up much for a 2 month rental, especially when the rules have been changed whereby you don’t get draft pick compensation anymore for 2 month rentals.

    So anyone who gonna tell me how someone gave up top prospects in the past for rentals, don’t bother. Its apples and oranges now with rule change. Its irrelevant.

    They should just keep him and extend him.
    Why trade him away for garbage ?
    He’s still in good shape and can pitch for another 3-4 years.

    • Aaron

      The trade of Dempster is a lot like Beltran last year and since teams value quality pitching down the stretch he should at least net a similar or even greater return. Both entering walk years….both couldn’t be offered arbitration by their acquiring team. Remember Beltran had it in his contract that he couldn’t be offered arbitration.

      I would say 1 high end and 1 mid-level prospect should be a good return for Dempster then a trade of Garza for 2 top prospects and 1 mid-level should follow with Maholm, Soto, Soriano, Marmol, Baker, Johnson, or Barney could be added to bring a greater return

      • Dorasaga

        The Cubs will regret to trade Barney as a “throw-in.” He’s just the kind of smart, team-player (good defense) the Cubs need from now on, after dismantled and resold.

      • cc002600

        Hope you’re right, but I think the best they get are mid level prospects. Teams value their top prospects like gold today.

        • Denver Mike

          Don’t get me wrong, I want to see the absolute BEST return for Dempster possible, but under no circumstance do I want him to stay with the Cubs this year. From what I have read, it is pretty much a foregone conclusion among GMs in baseball that Dempster is going to resign with the Cubs as a FA in the offseason. If anything that is why the return will be lower than Beltran’s was, other teams knowing they will be unlikely to resign him even if they wanted to. For that same reason the Cubs must get something for him even if it is a couple mid-level prospects, as he wants to be back next year anyway. Why would you keep him, extend him, and get nothing in return when you could trade him for something and resign him anyways?

          • Mike Simala

            exactly, i mean if it comes down to it and we have to take that offer from the Dodgers, which it appears we wont since word is others have raised the price, we do it just to get something, Gould and Withrow do have potential upside to them, it just isnt ideal.

          • Dnuge44

            I agree 2 mid level prospects is about all the Cubs will get for Dempster. all this about him coming back to the Cubs next year is just hype, the guy is 35 now & I dont see the Cubs spending big money to sign him again at his age.

          • cc002600

            if you trade him for mid-level prospects that are HIGHLY unlikely to turn into anything good, what’s the point ? What have you gained ?

            And its ridiculous to assume he will re-sign with the Cubs. What if he goes to another team and they go deep into playoffs ? You don’t think there would be good chance he would re-sign with that team if they offer him big money ?

  • Tom U

    Tonight’s minor League starters:

    Boise – Felix Pena (0-1, 2.91)
    Peoria – Michael Jensen (8-3, 3.53)
    Daytona – Robert Whitenack (0-4, 6.25)
    Tennessee – Dae-Eun Rhee (6-4, 5.21)
    Iowa – Chris Rusin (7-6, 4.55)


    Jorge Soler was 0-for-3 in his debut in Mesa last night

    Javier Baez has been moved to third in the batting order for Peoria

    Tim Saunders is lining up at third for Daytona, as he is looking for his first hit

    As Neil reported, Casey Coleman has returned to Iowa, no mention on when his next start is

  • matthew8510

    lets see if demp will stay in longer than 60 pitches

  • roseyc

    a trade is like a swap…so you can’t call it a trade unless you swap something

    • Denver Mike

      Was it Socrates that said that?

      • Dorasaga

        The one from the gas station*? Will Rosey hike with him?

        *movie reference

        • cubtex

          Put this in your memory bank…..I am going to praise Theo here:) I am shocked Dempster has not been traded before this start. That being said….I respect the fact Theo didn’t just cave in and take the Dodgers offer. He is trying to get as much as he can for Dempster. Lets hope he stays healthy and a team blinks before Theo and gives up better prospects than the Dodger offer.

          • Mike Simala

            are pigs flying somewhere?

          • Craig York

            And this is exactly why I wish demp was traded today

          • Jim Canavan

            Me too.

          • Ripsnorter1

            They flew the day the Cubs paid $20 million for Theo.

          • J Daniel

            And again, who sould they have hired?

          • Ripsnorter1

            Keith Law on Soler….100%, full, direct quote…

            Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler made his pro debut on Thursday night with the Chicago Cubs’ club in the rookie-level Arizona League, the lowest level of organized baseball, with teams largely populated by teenaged prospects, rehabbers, and a handful of older organizational players. Already 20, he’s old to be in this league, but given how long it has been since he faced live pitching, it’s a reasonable place for him to start.Soler, who signed a nine-year, $30 million dollar deal with the Cubs in June, only DH’d and had three at-bats before he was pulled for a pinch hitter — you know, don’t want to overtax the guy or anything — and did at least get a chance to show how explosive his hands are at the plate. He loads his hands high and deep, but accelerates quickly enough to catch up to above-average stuff, even meeting a few balls out in front of the plate (perhaps because his timing is still off). He’s balanced through the swing and should be able to generate power from his lower half. He grounded out twice but didn’t run hard either time, although his strides are long and easy and he should be an above-average runner when he decides to show it. (His third at-bat was a hard lineout to the pitcher.) He’s in very good shape and his body looks loose and athletic. This wasn’t an ideal look since he didn’t play the field and hasn’t faced live pitching in ages, but at least some of the tools were on display — and yes, I will go back in a week or so to try to see him in the field.

        • Denver Mike

          Haha, if it wasn’t Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure I probably didn’t see it

        • Mike Simala

          Peaceful Warrior was a really good movie.

  • cubtex

    Hello Ned. Theo here…….Um……..I’ll take Gould and Withrow for Dempster. OK?????

    • triple

      Humorous. Yet I will point out the insight this provides to your lack of patience in the matter of a 9 inning ball game. 1st inning and Demp is basically under the bus already. Is it possible that he can hold his ground for 5 or 6 more innings and still get a quality start out of it, and provide his team a chance to win?

      • cubtex

        It was a joke! Dude it is Friday night. Drink a vodka and have a good time. It was great week. Many of my salespeople had big weeks. They all kissed my ring before starting work each day and were like many on here. My motto and Theos…..I may not always be right……but I am never wrong:))) Enjoy the weekend and be a leader!

  • Dorasaga

    Just heard from the Card broadcast… Rizzo had cancer when he was a kid??

    • Dorasaga

      And with google help, I’ll answer myself: Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a cancer of his white blood cell, diagnosed in 2008. Lester had it as well. Good kid.

      • Tom U

        Campana also

        • Dorasaga

          Thank you. He’s easily missed. Another brave young man. I’m more curious what’s with all the lymphoma in the States. Never heard this cancer appears that often in other parts of the World. Another topic for another forum, but I wonder what’s the trend…

  • Dorasaga

    I just spotted Jim Hendry (actually, the Card cameraman did). He’s working for the Yanks as a scout somehow.

    • Mike Simala

      fantastic evaluator of talent he is

      • Jason Penrod

        Maybe he’ll offer something for Soriano, he must like the guy.

      • Dorasaga

        Yes, master Jedi… This is not a “quality start,” but Demp had some quick innings, just brushed through the middle of their lineup. Positive signs for most evaluators.

        • Mike Simala

          Demps value isnt hurt at all by this outing, Hes just fine.

          • Dorasaga

            Yup, and I just said that, more positive signs than what the score appears to be.

    • triple

      He was at Wrigley yesterday too I believe.

      • Dorasaga

        I hope he wasn’t peeking into the “Tech Room”! Cashman would love to know what be identical to the BoSox system, and he’ll bid for it!

        • Ripsnorter1

          The Yanks hired Jim Hendry for his insight. What they do is this: whatever Jim Hendry says, they do the opposite, and they know that will be a winning move.

          • Dorasaga

            That’s a good one.

      • Dnuge44

        Hendry has been following the Cubs since last Tuesday, perhaps Yanks have Interest in Garza ?

    • Jim Canavan

      Was he eating anything?

      • Dorasaga

        No, but he’s super serious. He’s often talking to a bald man with sunglasses to his right, but keeping his distance, as if he cannot have enough space there.

  • Aaron

    …not sure if this means anything or not…probably just an injury, but Brian Cavazos-Galvez, and OF for Dodgers AAA team was removed before the game even started….hmmmmmmm

  • Ripsnorter1

    Astros made the big move tonight….10 player deal with Toronto. I’m not sure what Toronto got out of this deal…sure J.A. Happ is an okay 5th starter, but Toronto is not going to use him in a starter’s role…..what? They picked up two more bullpen pitchers, one being Brandon Lyon, who is 32 and has been injured. The other pitcher is David Carpenter, who is in AAA at age 27.

    Toronto gave up their closer…Francisco Cordero, whose record is 3-5 with a Marmol-like 5.77 ERA. They threw in four youngsters, a PTBNL, and a 30 year old OF Ben Francisco who has no chance to start at the ML level.

    Houston wins, imo.

  • Aaron

    nevermind…Cavazos-Galvez left due to injured ankle

  • Neil

    Cubs lost 4-1 to Cardinals Friday night – Ryan Dempster:
    4R, 7H (1HR), 2BB, 2K, 6IP; Darwin Barney: 0-for-3, RBI; David DeJesus: 2-for-4; Bryan LaHair:
    1-for-2,BB,R; Alfonso Soriano: 1-for-4,2B