Cubs Knock Off Peavy and the Sox – Cubs 2, White Sox 1

Game Sixty-Eight – Cubs 2, White Sox 1
WP – Travis Wood (1-3) LP – Jake Peavy (6-3) Save – Carlos Marmol (4)

wflag.jpgDale Sveum’s Cubs played one of their better games of the year Tuesday night and posted their first road series win of the season (September, 2011 in New York).

The Cubs offense did just enough and took advantage of an error and a wild pitch in the third inning that put two runners in scoring position for David DeJesus (2-for-4 with a triple and two RBI). DeJesus entered Tuesday’s game 0-for-14 in his career against Jake Peavy and his first career basehit off Peavy drove in two and gave the Cubs all of the runs they would need.

Travis Wood picked up his first win in a Cubs’ uniform Tuesday night. Wood put together a solid start after pitching out of a bases loaded, one-out jam in the second. Wood allowed one run on four hits with a season-high four walks and five strikeouts in six innings. Wood settled down after the second and did not allow more than one runner to reach in any of his last four innings of work.

The Cubs pen did an excellent job in relief of Travis Wood, especially Manny Corpas. After Shawn Camp pitched a perfect seventh, James Russell issued back-to-back one out walks to Gordon Beckham and Adam Dunn in the eighth. Manny Corpas came in and retired Paul Konerko and Alex Rios to end the inning.

Carlos Marmol picked up his first one-run save since April 8. Marmol labored through a 23-pitch ninth and had three-ball counts on each of the first three batters he faced but was still able to get the job done.

The Cubs defense played a big role in the win. The Cubs turned two double plays, did not commit any errors and Starlin Castro turned in a web gem in the fifth with a fabulous barehanded grab on a blooper in shallow center.

Jake Peavy did all he could to beat the Cubs on Tuesday night. Peavy retired 16 in a row at one point and kept the aggressive Cubs’ offense guessing all night. Peavy took the loss with a complete game effort … the same as Matt Garza a year ago when he tossed a complete game, four-hitter and lost to the Sox 1-0 at Wrigley.

The Cubs managed only five hits Tuesday night and one of the two runs the Cubs scored was unearned due to an Orlando Hudson error. The Cubs walked one time (Alfonso Soriano in the ninth) and Jake Peavy struck out five.

Tony Campana (2-for-3 with a run scored) notched a multi-hit game and scored the winning run … while Starlin Castro (1-for-4) recorded the Cubs’ other hit.

With Tuesday’s victory, the Cubs posted their first series win since sweeping the Padres at the end of May (May 28-May 30) and improved to 24-44 on the season …

After Jake Peavy struck out David DeJesus swinging on a 1-2 pitch to start the game, Starlin Castro singled to right for the game’s first hit. Bryan LaHair worked a full count before swinging and missing at a slider. Castro broke with the pitch and Tyler Flowers threw him out to end the inning. Peavy threw only 12 pitches, seven for strikes, in the first inning.

Travis Wood ended up facing the minimum in the first on 12 pitches, eight for strikes, after he gave up a leadoff single to Alejandro De Aza. Gordon Beckham grounded into a 6-4-3 double play and Adam Dunn struck out swinging.

The Cubs did nothing in the second … 1-2-3 for Peavy on eight pitches, six for strikes (20 for the game, 13 strikes).

Travis Wood lost his command in the bottom of the second but somehow escaped a long, 32-pitch inning (13 strikes) with allowing only one run. Wood walked the bases loaded and Geovany Soto’s fifth throwing error of the season led to the Sox first run.

Paul Konerko lined out to Wood to start the second. Wood could not get the call on what appeared to be an inside strike and walked Alex Rios (3-1 pitch). Rios broke for second on a 1-1 pitch to Viciedo. The ball was down and well outside. Soto caught the ball and made an ill-advised throw to second. Soto’s throw ended up into center and Rios advanced to third with one out. Wood ended up walking Dayan Viciedo.

Alexei Ramirez drove a 2-0 pitch to the right field corner. The ball hit about a foot fair and hopped over the wall for a ground rule double. Rios scored and the Sox took a 1-0 lead. With runners on second and third with one out, Wood continued to pitch from behind. Wood ended up walking Tyler Flowers to load the bases.

Orlando Hudson worked the count full before popping out to Castro for the second out. Wood got out of the jam by striking out De Aza swinging to end the inning. After two innings, Wood’s pitch count stood at 44, 21 for strikes.

After two, the Cubs trailed 1-0.

Luis Valbuena lined out to left center to start the third. Geovany Soto pulled a 2-2 pitch down the third baseline. Hudson fielded the ball but made a sidearm throw to first and pulled Konerko off the bag. Soto avoided the tag then dove back to the bag safely. Tony Campana hit a 0-2 pitch back up the box and off of Peavy’s foot. Campana reached on an infield single and Soto advanced into scoring position on the play.

Peavy tried to get David DeJesus to chase a 1-2 pitch in the dirt. DeJesus laid off and the ball got far enough away from Flowers that both Soto and Campana were able to advance. DeJesus kept plugging away and singled to right on the ninth pitch of the at bat. DeJesus’ first career hit off Peavy drove in Soto and Campana and gave the Cubs a 2-1 lead. Starlin Castro hit into a 5-4 fielder’s choice and LaHair flied out to right center to end the inning.

Travis Wood set down the Sox in order in the third … 56 pitches for Wood after three, 29 for strikes.

After three, the Cubs led 2-1.

The Cubs did nothing in the fourth.

Travis Wood was effective in the fourth and dodged a bullet. After he struck out Alex Rios looking to start the inning, Dayan Viciedo singled to center. Alexei Ramirez launched a 1-0 pitch to deep left. Campana caught the ball with his back on the wall for the second out. Wood then caught Flowers looking to end the inning (68 pitches for Wood, 37 strikes).

The Cubs did nothing in the fifth as Peavy found his groove (69 pitches for Peavy, 48 strikes).

Orlando Hudson popped out to Castro to start the fifth. Alejandro De Aza hit another pop up, this one into shallow center. Castro went back but the wind grabbed the ball. The ball hit off the heal of his glove and Castro hauled it in with his right hand. After Castro’s web gem, Wood issued a four-pitch walk to Gordon Beckham.

Travis Wood missed on his first two offerings to Adam Dunn (six straight balls). Wood threw one right down main. Dunn drove it to center and DeJesus hauled it in to end the inning. Wood threw 82 pitches, 42 for strikes, in five innings.

The Cubs did nothing in the sixth … 79 pitches for Peavy, 54 for strikes.

Paul Konerko hit Wood’s first pitch of the sixth into left for a single. Alex Rios popped a 0-1 pitch into right and Viciedo hit into a 5-4-3 inning ending double play on Wood’s 89th pitch of the game, 49 for strikes.

The Cubs continued doing nothing in the seventh … 14 in a row retired by Jake Peavy.

Shawn Camp retired the bottom of the Sox lineup in order, including pinch-hitter A.J. Pierzynski, in the seventh.

Jake Peavy made quick work of Luis Valbuena and Geovany Soto to start the eighth … 16 in a row for Peavy. Tony Campana punched a 1-1 pitch into center for a single, just the Cubs’ fourth hit of the night. David DeJesus stepped in with all eyes on Campana. DeJesus took ball one … then Peavy picked Campana off first to end the inning.

James Russell started the eighth and Reed Johnson replaced LaHair in right. Russell retired De Aza on a comebacker for the first out. Russell then walked Gordon Beckham and Dunn stepped in with one on, one out and the Cubs up 2-1.

Adam Dunn quickly fell behind 0-2 then worked the count full. Russell missed on the ninth pitch of the at bat … and with the free pass to Dunn; the Sox had runners on first and second with one out.

Dale Sveum made the slow walk and brought in Manny Corpas to face Paul Konerko.

Corpas got away with hanging a slider on the first pitch and Konerko popped it into shallow right. Reed Johnson hustled in and made a fine running catch. Alex Rios grounded out to first (2-2 pitch) to end the inning.

After eight, the Cubs led 2-1.

Jake Peavy stayed in to start the ninth and David DeJesus launched his second pitch (1-0 count) into the gap in right center. The ball short-hopped the wall and DeJesus ended up at third with a triple. Ventura brought his infield in.

Starlin Castro hit a 2-0 pitch back up the box. Peavy knocked the ball down and threw to first just in time to get Castro for the first out. Reed Johnson pulled a 0-1 pitch straight to Ramirez at short. DeJesus bluffed and Ramirez threw out Johnson at first for the second out. Peavy wanted nothing to do with Alfonso Soriano and walked him on five pitches, the Cubs first walk of the night. The Cubs caught a break on a 1-2 pitch in the dirt to Clevenger. Clevenger swung but the appeal was denied and Soriano advanced to second on the wild pitch. Peavy froze Clevenger on the next pitch to end the inning.

The Cubs went to the bottom of the ninth leading 2-1 …

Carlos Marmol made his way out of the pen and struck out Dayan Viciedo looking on a 3-2 pitch for the first out. Alexei Ramirez grounded out to third (3-2 pitch) for the second out … and A.J. Pierzynski stepped in.

Marmol fell behind Pierzynski 3-1 and ended up walking him on the seventh pitch of the at bat. Orlando Hudson fell behind 0-2 before hitting a routine grounder toward first. Clevenger fielded the ball and took it to the bag himself … game over.

It is always a good day when the Cubs beat the Sox …

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Randy Wells is scheduled to face Gavin Floyd in the series and season finale with the White Sox on Wednesday night.

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  • paulcatanese

    Whats not to like about tonight, great win.

    • Neil

      With Tuesday’s win, the Cubs have won their first Interleague series
      since June 15-17, 2010, against the Athletics, and first on the road
      since May 21-23, 2010, against Texas. They also won their first series
      against the White Sox since June 2008, and first at U.S. Cellular Field
      since June 2007

  • Tony_Hall

    C’mon everyone, doesn’t it feel great to beat the Sox back-to-back games and now be able to go out and have a chance to sweep them in their park.   

    I know, I know, any talk of anything positive, we will have people saying we are still bad, put down the kool-aide, take off your Cubs goggles, we are not going to the World Series…so what, it still feels good.

    Looking forward to Rizzo’s debut, coming soon…

  • Tony_Hall

    Cool new tool on BA to track the draft and the pool of money that is known to be available. 

    It can’t track was is not announced.

    The aftermath of the draft has shown why it was so important to draft college seniors in Rounds 7-10.  It is a way to move money to other picks.

    Currently the Cubs can pay Almora $4,063,961 without losing a future draft pick and can pay him $3,675,200 without paying any fines.

    • DWalker

      but are they really looking to pay him overslot, or are they really looking to spend it on one of the harder signs? I know what Boras wants, but is Almora really going to hold out. Be interesting to see what eventually happens.  

      • Tony_Hall

        Both is the short answer.  Almora will sign, but not until the very last days.

    • cubtex

      I saw that too. What signal does that send to everyone if the Cubs pay him a mil more than the pick before him? I am sure he will sign but with Boras I am sure he is told to hold out until the Cubs blink

      • Tony_Hall

        Draft order doesn’t always mean anything.  Appel went 9th remember.   Only Uncle Bud thinks that the order is based on talent alone.

    • Zonk

      Thanks for sharing that Tony….

      This new system has alot of game theory going.  Almora is going to wait until almost every other pick has signed, and ask for everything left the Cubs have.  It’s the right strategy to get your client the most money, which we all know is what Boras is about.

      Appel is even more interesting; he fell in the draft due to $ demands, but ironically, the farther he falls the less $ teams have to give him.  I think it was a good gamble by the Pirates.  The worst that happens for them, he doesn’t sign, and they get the 9th pick next year.  When they negotiate with Appel, they will be able to say “Look, we are giving you every dime we have without losing a pick.  That’s it.  Sorry. We aren’t going to give up a draft choice”, and that’s it.  From Appel’s side, if he doesn’t sign, he a) may drop in the draft (he is unlikely to go up much), and b) he is a college senior, and loses all leverage. Boras knows what he is doing, but I think the Pirates hold the cards.

      It’s very interesting

      • Tony_Hall

        It also shows you how valuable drafting college seniors for 25 or 50k, well below slot can do to move the money around.

        I bet Appel won’t sign and will play in an independent league, most likely.  It was a worthy while gamble for the Pirates though.

        • cubtex

          He can go back to Stanford and be elgible again next year. He doesn’t need to go to an independent league.

          • Zonk

            That’s correct, he has leverage this year. 

            He better think twice though, because NEXT year, he’s a college senior.  He better have another stellar year as well to be drafted so high.  One injury, and he probably falls further, and gets even less money.

            I bet Appel signs for the max the Pirates can offer, right at the deadline

      • cubtex

        agreed. good gamble by the Pirates. I would have liked to see the Cubs draft him and play the same game.

        • J Daniel

          I would agree with you.  The agents are not going to like this slotted salary but it ultimately is probably a good thing.  Appel can go back to college but ultimately will not gain much by doing so and push his potential free agent year back another year.  Same with all of these guys.  Almora would push his back 3 years unless he goes to a JC, which would not be a smart move in my opinion.  That is why I believe they will sign and are just waiting it out to see how much money the teams have left.

  • Steven Petty

    Hey! Hey! Whatta ya say?? The Cubs are gonna win today!!! That’s 2 in a row with this lineup!! Let’s make it 3!!!! And Marmol, 2 saves in a row! I love my world! There is always Kool aid, googles and sweeping brooms in my world!!!! Come on in, all is welcome!!!!!

  • CubsChitChat

    It would be nice to make Sox fans think it was the Cubs who ruined their 2012 playoff hopes by sweeping the Sox at home.  Can it happen?  Yes it can.   But don’t drink too much of that Cubs Kool-Aid…..our Cubs are still in last place……and when Dempster, Garza & LaHair get traded, we will have over 100 losses by the season end………on the bright side….Theo will have the #1 draft pick next season……Rizzo will be playing first base soon…….Jackson in center….and Bears season begins in a few weeks.

    • DWalker

      I asked the question last night, but are we going to see Jackson this year, or are they going to run him the year in AAA. Either afraid to repeat the Rizzo mistake, hes not polished enough, or the year of control to keep him there?

      Or are they just waiting for a slot in the OF to open up due to trade? His numbers have steadily improved, so I can understand holding him down there a while still anyway, but I’d still like to see him.

      • Zonk

        B-Jax now has 94 strikeouts, and is on pace for 220.  This is against AAA pitching. 

        He is not ready.  You cannot be successful in the majors with that K-rate, unless you have huge power, which B-Jax does not.  He does go deep in counts, but he needs to make more contact.  His BABIP right now is .380, which is a little high; he is lucky to be hitting .261.  With average luck, he would be just over the Mendoza line.

        I’m not convinced he’s anything more than the next Joe Borchard or Brian Anderson (White Sox), until he can make more contact

        • CubsChitChat

           220 K’s!….that might be okay if Jackson can put up Dave Kingman numbers of 40 + home runs and 100+ RBI’s.

        • J Daniel

          Unfortunately, I think you are right about Jackson.  That goes to show you, as usual with this system over the years, more hype than substance.  Time will tell but shows how poor the Cub system is and part of why they need as many prospects as they can get.

          I asked a few days ago how the top 10 in the system would look assuming Almora signs, which I believe he will.

          Rizzo, Almora, and Soler would all be top 10 and were not in the system when Theo took over.  Of course he had this draft but has added 2 others.  I think Cashner will be good but believe that in the long run Rizzo will end up being a huge pick up.  Again, time will tell.

          • cubs1967

            hype? how can your rip on bjax about hype and then say almora, who is not even signed or soler; who isn’t signed technically could also not be hype? till either of those play games above low A ball, daytona or higher; neither are anything but team theo hyped suspects as bjax is a hyped JH suspect.
            fair is fair.

          • J Daniel

            I can say that based on track records.  How many guys have come up through the Cubs system and have developed in to consistent all stars?

            Team Theo has a much better track record so I will go by past performance of his until proven otherwise.

          • Zonk

            There is alot of Cashner love around here, and he is good……but I would make that trade again in a second.  Keep in mind Cashner was coming off a year in which he missed almost all of it due to arm problem. 

            Cashner has major gas, no question… I just foresee towel drills in his future

      • Zonk

        PS:  I’m actually more optimistic now on Vitters than I am on B-Jax.  Vitters is making contact, and hitting with some pop.  He also plays a position where we have a need, shall we say…..

        I will make a bet I wouldn’t have 2 months ago…I bet we see Vitters before we see B-Jax.

        • gary3411

           I’d take that bet in a heartbeat.

          Well, maybe Vitters would come up short-term or September call-up. But B-Jax will be the first to be here longer than a month. (obviously injuries could sway it in either direction regardless of performance).

        • Ripsnorter1

          Don’t forget Vitters has more than one problem. His other problem is that he cannot catch the ball. He’s awful.

          So let’s see: he can’t hit, and he can’t catch. 
          How many All-Star games will he perform in?

          • cubtex

            He is still only 22 and he is hitting .280 with 10 HR’s(most have come in the last month and a half) and he doesn’t stike out much. This is not a 30 year old minor leaguer we are talking about.

          • Ripsnorter1

            He’s certainly not ready yet. His glove: .930 fielding. And that’s up from last year’s .903. 

            He may be ready sometime. He’s just not ready today.

            Remember that Iowa is in the offense-oriented PCL, where anybody can hit .300.

        • J Daniel

          I would also agree with you on Vitters.  I also think that B-Jax could be part of a trade to get a better prospect in return.

  • cubtex

    Responding to the Bryan LaHair comments from yesterday.

    LaHair has 56 Hits   and    68 Strikeouts

    He has 13 HR  and only 28 RBI for a middle of the order bat.

    His best position is 1st base(although he is pretty bad over there)

    Let’s trade this guy and get something for him. I have been saying he is not part of the future and get a mid level prospect for him.

    • DWalker

      LaHair also had a stretch there of having no protection in the order and the pitchers responded to that. It also helps if someone gets on base before he gets to bat, but so far this team hasn’t been good about stringing those hits together. Depending on what the lineup looks like after Rizzo gets here and if Soriano is still around, he might show more productivity with protection in the order.

      That said, as part of the right deal, I’d say trade him in a heartbeat. He probably still has a use next year, but long term he isn’t part of the plan. Problem is, I doubt he brings back anything by himself thats of real interest, so his best value may be part of a larger package. Who woudl have thought at the start of this season, we would be worried about how good of a prospect we could get for him?

      • cubtex

        You cannot overlook this stat…

        .240 Avg with Runners on Base

        .167 Avg with Runners in Scoring Position

        There is a reason he has only 28 RBI on the year!

        Trade him!

        • Tony_Hall

          Nor can you overlook that he is not protected.

          No team is going to give up much for Lahair right now.  End of July maybe, but still not likely.  Not a long enough track record for a contender to take a chance on, when there are many other options.

          • cubtex

            He is a career minor leaguer. Pitchers aren’t pitching to him like he is Albert PuJols. He will never get back a top prospect but maybe a team like the Pirates who need offense badly would give up a mid level prospect.

            .240 with a runner on 1st…he is not being pitched around.

          • Zonk

            I don’t disagree that LaHair isn’t considered a very valuable hitter.  I think he has established himself as a decent bat, and someone who can hit major league pitching.  He is defensively limited, but also cheap and cost controlled.  He would bring back a pretty good prospect at this point.

          • cubtex

            A teams top 20 prospect is what I would imagine. Why not try to aquire a position of weakness(pitching,3rd base,corner outfield) and try and aquire a player who fits that mold instead of trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

          • mutantbeast

            LaHair cant hit the changeup or breaking ball down. NL pitchers have picked that up about him, he is almost a LH Soriano in that respect. Only when he learns to quit swinging at low breaking balls will his RBI numbers improve. 

          • J Daniel

            Most hitters have pitches in areas that they can not hit – but pitchers make mistakes.  I think most batters would tell you that you only get a few pitches each game that you can make good on. 

            Aaron, any insight on this?

        • Zonk

          RISP numbers are pretty useless, particularly early in the season.  He has a .814 OPS with 2 out, RISP.  And he has a 5.000 OPS with the bases loaded (That’s 1 for 1, grand slam).  He bats .417 leading off an inning…maybe he should be our leadoff hitter?  What do these stats tell you?  Not much.

          RBIs are often a function of how many guys are on base ahead of you.  We’ve had a problem with that this year.

          • cubtex

            .417 leading off an inning tells me he is a dead fastball hitter.

        • gary3411

           Those are dumb luck numbers. If a player is that bad under pressure, he doesn’t make it this far in the first place.

    • cc002600

       If you are only going to a get a mid level prospect, what’s the point ?  Don’t you still have to field a team for the next 2 to 3 years ?  If you are waiting for guys like Baez, Almora, & Soler to ride to the rescue, don’t hold your breath, because you are not going see them until 2015, at the EARLIEST, probably closer to 2016 or 2017.

      And here’s the other thing I don’t understand.  This is maybe the worst team in baseball with holes at almost every position.

      This team has so many other issues, and yet somehow all I read is this disdain for LaHair.  Yes, I know he has some flaws, but what player doesn’t ?  name one for me.

      and oh, Lahair has by FAR the best OPS on the team, and yet you would think the guy is the worst player in the league.

      I don’t get it.

    • Aaron


      Normally I have been agreeing with you a lot lately, but what is it with all this LaHair nonsense?!? For crying out loud, the guy is one of the only legit power sources on this team, and it seems every fan wants him traded. 

      Does he have limitations? Sure…but doesn’t just about everyone on this damn team?

      Barney-no power, limited speed
      Castro-no patience at the plate
      Stewart-he has a good glove…that’s about all you can say
      Soriano-limited speed and range at this point, no patience at the plate
      Campana-no patience at the plate
      DeJesus-limited power from a power position (RF…until now where he’s in CF), plus limited speed

      LaHair will never win a Gold Glove at ANY position. He will likely always struggle with LH pitching. However, the dude has made adjustments this year on the fly, and has done extremely well, considering he doesn’t play anymore with lefties throwing (and the Cubs have seen quite a few of them this year). 

      Here are the lines for Soriano and Castro, both of whom have more RBI than LaHair:
      Soriano: .266/.315/.485, 63 hits, 13 doubles, 13 hr, 43 RBI, 16 walks, 55 K’s in 257 plate appearances

      Castro: .302/.316/.445, 85 hits, 10 doubles, 6 triples, 6 hr, 38 RBI, 6 walks, 51 K’s in 294 plate appearances

      LaHair: .295/.375/.563, 56 hits, 12 doubles, 13 hr, 28 RBI, 25 walks, 68 K’s in 216 plate appearances
      *with his average of .13 RBI/plate appearance, he’d have 33 RBI with Soriano’s amount and 38 RBI with Castro’s amount of plate appearances. 

      Does that change your opinion of him at all? I would also argue that Rudy screwed him up royally this year by making him hyper-aggressive after showing a tremendous amount of patience at the plate early on. LaHair had credited a large amount of his success to Von Joshua during Spring Training and earlier this year. I believe he will return to early season form where he was taking more pitches, and in fact, I’ve already seen a bit of that since Rudy was fired. Yet, he will NEVER be a contact hitter. Even so, again with the plate appearances in mind, if he had as many as Soriano, he’d have around 66 hits, and if he had as many as Castro, he’d have around 76 hits….Not bad for a power hitter, eh?

      LaHair is cheap, has power, and has demonstrated the ability to work counts at the MLB level. He’s also demonstrated the ability to adjust. He can play 1B, LF, and RF. In my opinion, that makes him valuable, even if he cannot play any of them above average…at least he’s passable. 

      If you cannot get a top prospect from another club for him, then you hang onto him. I could be wrong, but I could easily foresee him hitting 20-25 hr, 60-70 RBI this year, which would not be bad at all for a so-called 4-A player.

      • cc002600


        I never thought this day would come, but I totally agree with everything you just said.   :-)   I have been saying many of the same things.


        I do not understand all the hatred for LaHair.

      • cubtex

        I just think that now is the time to deal LaHair. He has produced better than expected and I would try to get something of value for him while you can. The only reason why you keep him next year is that he is cheap. I agree with you but isn’t this another short term asset to try and get a long term?

        • cc002600

          “Mid level prospects” are as useful as snow shovels in Arizona.

          It’s totally pointless to trade him for a bag of balls.

          He’s one of the few guys on this team that can do these 2 things:  walk and hit the ball over the fence.

          • cubtex

            If you don’t like what anyone is offering…..keep him.

      • carmelo

        Couldn’t agree more—plus he’s year to year contract—why get rid of a power hitting corner player, that’s what your always looking to get.  Power at 1B/3B, and LF/RF—

    • J Daniel

      I agree he is not going to be part of the long term future here.  I was just saying that if they can’t get a good prospect they may as well keep him.  I would just hate to see him traded for a guy that isn’t going to make it anyways which is what most of these prospects are.

      • cubtex


  • CubsChitChat

    Jackson on a pace of over 200 K’s against AAA pitching….not good at all….maybe Theo will throw Jackson in a Soriano or a Marmol trade to juice up the pot for a taker?……..Remember, Jackson was a Hendry draft pick, and Theo is under no obligation to keep Jackson………….right now, maybe both Jackson and Vitters will never be seen in a Cubs uniform……….and whatever happen to McNutt?…..the Cubs future #1 starter…..he also SUCKS according to his numbers………I am for trading LaHair also……when you have the worst team in the majors, everyone is on the trade table…..and if any agent of these players are looking for large increase of salary at arbitration time, trade them!

  • cubtex

    If LaHair played a position where he wasn’t blocking the Cubs best prospect I would have no problem keeping him until we get someone better. I would like to see improvement in this team moving forward. LaHair will be a below average defensive outfielder. If they get rid of Soriano….what is the point replacing Soriano with LaHair? Cost? Is this what this about with the Cubs front office. Find cheap alternatives until the farm system is ready?
    I thought you are upset that the Cubs aren’t spending money are will be if they don’t add any free agents this offseason? If LaHair starts in LF or RF next year will be because he is cheap.

    • cubtex

      that was meant to be for cc00

    • cc002600

      Well, ok.  Who is he blocking in the near term in the OF ?  Jackson and he can both play in the OF, can’t they ?    And even then, I’m starting to question Jackson.  His numbers in AAA are not great.

      Soriano cannot run with those knees. He is a DH. and he’s 36 (probably older).  He belongs in the AL.   This is LaHair’s first REAL opportunity in the majors.  YOu cannot tell me LaHair would be worse in the OF than Soriano. Holy crap.

      If he ends up with 25-30 HR, 75-80 RBI, .300 BA, .390 OBP, is that bad ?????   Who do they have on that roster that can put up those numbers right now ? 

      They have so many holes, LaHair is the least of their problems.

      and yes, I wish they would start to spend some money this winter, but I am starting to think they won’t.   hope I’m wrong.


      • cubtex

        I agree with you. I don’t think they will spend money either and if they keep LaHair in the OF next year that is the reason.

        • cubs1967

          question is? if monies are not spent in 2013 and the payroll is around 85M with sori on or off team; then where did the 60M go from a few years ago and where is the 40M from this year?
          there is only 38M with soler now committed to next year; that’s a full 100 M lower than a few yrs ago……..more signings like maholm and dejesus that field a team, but NO chance to even be within 10 games of .500?

          roster fillers like pirates or royals?

          did chicago become an expansion team when i wasn’t looking?

      • Zonk

        Actually, I think trading LaHair right now isn’t the answer, unless we get a great offer. 

        But in the offseason, I DO think we should look to move him, barring a trade of Soriano or DeJesus.  We don’t need all 3, and we have a ton of other holes to fill, to put it mildly.  LaHair would be a very nice pickup for a payroll-challenged club that needs power, as he is cost controlled.  He would have alot of trade value, because he is cheap.

        DeJesus just shouldn’t play CF past this year (I’m OK with this experiment for now, what do we have to lose), but he isn’t a CF anymore. 

        • cubtex

          The other side of that thinking is that if he continues to show that he cannot hit above average pitching,good breaking stuff and lefties……he will have zero value

  • Ryan

    Hey Guys – I have been seeing the Cubs attached to this Cuban prospect Yasiel Puig more and more recently (this might be assumption, might not).  What are everyone’s thoughts and does anyone know much about him?  Will he demand a contract similar to Soler’s?

    • DWalker

      “ESPNChicago:Puig batted .330 with 17 home runs, 47 RBIs and 78 runs scored in 327 at-bats with the Cienfuegos Elefantes in the 2010-11 Cuban National Series. Later, he averaged .370 in 46 at-bats in the playoffs, at barely 20 years of age.Puig, who also was considered the fastest player in Cuban baseball, was left off the Cienfuegos team for the 2011-12 season after having been caught on several occasions trying to escape. He finally succeeded in defecting last month.”Not well known outside scouting circles, but sounds like he’s more polished then soler with about the same ceiling. I expect they will be right in there. No such thing as too many top prospects so if they have a shot of loading up another potential star outfielder I think they will try.  Were they all to succeed, it just means they have somebody hot to trade for pitching.

      • cubtex

        He can’t be too fast if he kept getting caught :)

  • Ripsnorter1

    The way I see it….

    Dempster won’t fetch much. Why? Two DL stints already this year. He’s going to look like damaged goods. Oh yeah, I already figured that Team Theo would eat his entire contract just to dump him. That’s no problem. But I thought earlier this year that he might fetch more than a DFA’d player. Now..I am not so sure. 

  • Michael

    I think this is one of the funniest things in sports. It’s baseball and the low scoring one run victory.

    If you are on the winning side, its a work of art. Great pitching by your starter, your hitters were clutch and you played small ball well.

    On the flip side…

    If your the losing team, you can’t score or hit EVER. You manager is over is his head, over thinking the room. Your team isn’t clutch and the talk goes on and on about averages with RISP.

    I’m not making anything out of this win. I honestly like low scoring pitchers duels, but I also like perspective, from both sides as a fan. The fact is the line is super thin between winning a 2-1 ball game and losing it and the Cubs won’t win much this year anyway. They will win at an even lower pace this year if they have a fire sale and get rid of everyone, (discussion for another day).

    Point is, I am realistic about our team, though not in a negative light like a lot of people who comment here. I am a huge supporter of Team Theo and know it will all take time, several years. I’m super glad we won tonight, especially against our rival, but also won’t wave the flag too high.

  • SuzyS

    It was exactly that, Paul…. a nice win…It’s why I love baseball…Peavy vs, Wood…a no brainer…Sox should win. Go figure…
    In a season of expected disappointments…it’s nice to be pleasantly surprised now and then.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Accuscore gave the Cubs only a 27% chance of winning yesterday.

    Accuscore gives the Cubs only a 29% chance of winning today. 

    Let’s Sweep ‘EM!

    For crying out loud, it’s Gavin Floyd going for them against the beloved Randy Wells! LOL

    Talk about inept……

    Floyd has never beaten the Cubs. 0-4 in 4 starts vs Cubs.
    Wells has a career 0-2..8.74 record vs Sox.

    Floyd is 0-5..10.38 in his last 6 starts.
    Wells is 0-2 in his only 2 starts this year, with 9 BB in 8 2/3 IP and 6.23 ERA.

    Floyd is 0-5..6.07 in his last five interleague starts. Castro is 4-9 with a HR and a 3B off him.
    Wells is 0-4..6.45 in 7 interleague starts. Pierzinski is 5-6 off of him; Adam Dunn 2 for 4 with a HR.

    Do not expect a WELL pitched game.

    Pun intended.