From the Wire … Cubs Sign Jorge Soler

According to reports from Joel Sherman and Ken Rosenthal, the Cubs have agreed to terms on a contract with 20-year old outfielder Jorge Soler.

Updated 1:51pm CDTAccording to Jon Heyman, the Cubs have agreed to a nine-year, $30 million contract with Jorge Soler.

Updated 2:17pm CDTAccording to Comcast SportsNet, Soler’s contract is a Major League deal. The Cubs will have to create a spot on the 40-man roster before announcing they have signed Jorge Soler.

Will update as information is made available.

Updated 1:35pm CDT - Bruce Miles and Jon Heyman have confirmed early reports that the Cubs won the bidding for Jorge Soler. Terms of the contract have not been released.

Updated 1:40pm CDTAccording to Jon Heyman, the contract is around $30 million. Nothing on the length.

Updated1:42pm CDT - According to Jon Heyman, Soler’s deal is for nine years in the $30 million range.

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  • cubtex

    Awesome! Finally some positive news!

  • Calicub

    this signing, no matter the terms has made a glum year a bit brighter.

    even if they paid through the nose, this is a good signing for the cubs.

    • DWalker

      he might have a rough start since he hasn’t played really in almost a year. Won’t be long before we hear moaning about how over paid he is, probably today.

      Frankly if its only 30 mil at this point, money well spent in my book for another legit prospect that didn’t cost a draft pick.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        According to Heyman, it is a nine year deal

        • SuzyS

          This the one time I like a long term contract…my guess is this will be a better contract for us…then the one mr puhols just signed. (Not saying that Soler will be comparable to Puhols).
          Just saying the lengthy gambles should be on young guys…not guys south of 30…no matter how good.

          • Calicub

            agreed Suzy

            this contract willcarry him into the beginning of his prime, 29, or through his prime if you don’t quite trust Cuban birth certificates :)

      • Calicub

        30 mill @ 9 yrs is fine just with me.

        • Calicub

          this signing will definately soften the blow if they are unable to pry Almora from Miami.

          Could you imagine the mayhem in Cubdom if they not only lost out on Soler but Almora as well?

      • cubtex

        with a below average free agent market next year and the draft being pitcing focussed….I don’t see why people would moan about the money. 30 mil for 9 years. This is not a Gerardo Concepcion who international scouts questioned big time. Soler is regarded as a legit RF power bat prospect.

  • SuzyS

    Somehow…I felt Theo would get this done…with his arch-enemy, the Yankees involved. I’m excited that we have another potential building block in-house…AND against national competition to land him.

    That’s Key…the Cubs are willing to overpay….for what they WANT.

    Hey Hey!!!! Hey Hey !!! Hey Hey!!!! Holy Cow!!!  Holy Cow!!! Holy Cow!!!!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Heyman is reporting around $30 million, nothing on years yet.

  • Steven Petty

    Next Slamming Sammy Sosa!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/103yearsnwaitin Alan Osinski

    Saw 9 years

  • Zonk

    I wonder where Soler would rank in BA’s top ten now. 

    • daverj

      I’d think he’d be third behind Rizzo and Baez.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    According to Jon Heyman, the contract is nine years for $30 million

  • Tony_Hall

    Great move!  It’s almost like it was part of a plan…

    • SuzyS

       :) :) :)

    • John_CC

       you mean as if they were “saving” their money with an eye on a prize?

    • cubtex

      you mean Theo has a plan??????? LOL!

      • Jim

        Love this signing. Haven’t posted in quite some time.

      • Tony_Hall

        I know it is hard to understand, since our last GM, spent every dime he had plus the next years available cash, as fast as he could, like a drunken sailor, docked for a weekend of fun.

        • cubtex

          did you forget what Theo spent with Boston??? :)

          • Tony_Hall

            And if that is his only way to do business, why didn’t he do it this off-season…GM (JH included) get stuck in a cycle, based on how they need to conduct business and how they dig their own hole.

          • J Daniel

            I think Theo won twice as well? I know that I would be excited with that and there would still be the usual complainers here.

      • J Daniel

        Really? Come on cubtex! I know you are knowledgable. This whole organization was a complete mess and will take some time. Who would you have liked them to sign as free agents last off season? The system has a long way to go in order to supply major league contributors on a top team. Rizzo, I believe, is a good start. They still need to trade off what they can to get more prospects – which means it might get worse in the short term.

        Z was controlling his trade so they were NOT going to get much back. Stewart is not going to work out but was worth the trade – they really didn’t give up much but I know Aaron will say otherwise. They gave LaHair a chance and might be able to flip him for something. The market will heat up for dempster and Garza.

        Let’s see how the next year goes but they were not going to win this year so be bad and stockpile young players.

        • cubtex

          I agree with you that the organization was a mess. I am not going to go into again on who I would have signed but they could have fielded a much more competitive team this year and still rebuilt. I am happy about Soler! It is an awesome move! I was upset if he could be a free agent(like Levine reported) but thank goodness that was false.

      • Tom U

        Wasn’t the line: Great, Custer also had a plan.

  • John_CC

    9 and $30M?

    Is there a bonus too? 

    That seems like a really sweet deal for the team…and the player. He has job security/payday no matter how he does, but at an average salary of $3.3M per year all the way through his prime years, it COULD be one of the best contracts ever. 

    • Tony_Hall

      I would bet out of that $30M, at least $10M is a signing bonus.  The Cubs have cash to spend, pay it now, and reduce the expense in the future years, when payroll could be tighter.

      • cubtex

        Wrong. Boy Wonder gave him an opt out clause so if he performs well he will make a lot more than 30 million. Drunk Sailor huh?

        • Tony_Hall

          Wrong?  yes he has opt out clauses, but he is also (I believe) getting a large signing bonus, which WILL reduce the cost in future years.  

          • cubtex

            Is what Levine reported correct? Can he become a free agent any of the years he becomes arb elgible? That is huge if it is true!

          • Tony_Hall

            Not true…I’m sure you have seen that by now.  

            This is one of the smartest contracts I’ve heard of in MLB.  9 years (3 years minors 12-14, 3 years of control and 3 years of arbitration).I bet the signing bonus is big, the first 6 years are normal for that year, and the money in the arbitration years is decent.

  • Texcubnut

    An outfield of Soler, B-Jax, and Sczur/Almora. This is a future outfield I can get excited about. Cubsworld needed this.

    • RMercer69

      A dream outfield if they pan out!

  • cubtex

    Here is his scouting report…..

    Scouting Report
    Body: Very physical (6-3, 200) with explosive strength and athleticism. Muscular but maintains flexibility and shows fast-twitch ability. Plus athlete.Makeup: Largely an unknown. Scouts I spoke with that scouted him in international tournaments indicated he displayed strong competitiveness and a good work ethic, pointing to positive makeup.Hit: Soler has yet to face truly premium competition and as a result his hit tool remains largely untested. He has plenty of bat speed and shows some feel for the barrel and contact. Rarely struck out in international competitions and most scouts I spoke with believe he can be an average hitter or maybe a tick better if everything clicks. Grade – 30/50Power: Arguably the highlight of his game. True plus-plus raw power to the pull side, along with the strength to drive the ball out the opposite way. Typically trusts his swing and allows his physicality to do the work for him, rather than muscling up to drive the ball out. Doesn’t have a ton of loft in his swing but shear bat speed allows him to get the ball out on a line. Could be a special power prospect as he develops and adds loft and leverage to his swing. Grade (raw power) – 50/70Arm: Classic right field arm. Gets rid of it quickly with plenty of velocity and good carry on all throws. Good, consistent mechanics allow him to be accurate with most throws. Grade – 60/60Fielding: Shows solid instincts in game situations. Gets a good read on the ball off the bat and make the appropriate jump. Routes aren’t always pretty but his speed can allow him to make up for it. High effort defender that doesn’t back down from anything. Believes he can make plays in the outfield. Potential weapon in right field. Grade – 50/60Speed: Scouts turned in 4.22-4.36 seconds from home to first. Gets out of the box well from the right side and is generally an above-average runner. Doesn’t read pitchers that well and is unlikely to be a base stealing threat as he reaches his prime. Doesn’t project to lose much, if any of his speed as he reaches physical maturity. Grade – 50/50
    Summation: Truly classic right field profile. Offers plus-plus raw power that has a chance to translate if the hit tool comes together. Good athlete with an impressive body. Runs well in the outfield and should be a plus defender with a plus arm. Many of the nuances of the game are in various stages of development and he will require refinement for all his tools to play at once in the US. Raw ceiling could be a .275-.280 hitter with 30 home runs in the heart of the lineup, all with very good outfield defense.
    Relative Risk: High. High doesn’t begin to describe Soler’s risk level. Handing a teenager more than $25 million and trying to develop him in a new country and a new baseball environment is extremely risky, but the payoff could be huge.
    Future: Where Soler plays in 2012 depends very much on when he receives full clearance from OFAC and MLB to sign with a club, presumably the Cubs. It seems very likely that he would spend at least some amount of time in extended spring training with the hope being that he heads to Low-A Peoria in the summer. He doesn’t project to fly through the system and could take at least three years to be on the big league radar.

    • SuzyS

       Cubtex,
      Thanks for the great scouting report…”Relative Risk: High. High doesn’t begin to describe Soler’s risk level”.

      If we go for greatness…we have to risk for greatness…..Let’s hope the new management Theo installed is great at risk management!

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        According to Comcast SportsNet, Soler’s contract is a Major League deal. The Cubs will have to create a spot on the 40-man roster before announcing they have signed Jorge Soler.
         

        • SuzyS

          Neil…what are the benefits to Soler with a major league deal.
          Does he accrue service time from the getgo??? For the Cubs…it could be considered a negative…since they get a player taking up a roster spot that might or might not see the parent club…???

          • Aaron

             I know you asked Neil, but I think it’s all about arbitration, etc., and how they can hide some of the costs with bonuses, etc. in that.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Suzy, there are no real benefits to the team but it was inevitable with the size of the contract that it would be a Major League deal. He does not accrue big league service time but it will take up his minor league options. Please keep in mind, I have not seen the terms. Here is what I think it does … Once they announce the deal and it becomes official, they will use one of his three minor league options to send him to A ball where he should finish out the year. That would give them 2 years worth of options of full season of minor league experience. They would then have him under contract for his 0-3 years and all 3 of his arbitration years. There is the nine years.

            Again, please keep in mind I have not seen the terms. There could be outs, etc. that have not been made public.

            And a report just surfaced from Buster Olney that Soler has an opt out in his contract during his arb eligible years.

            Soler will still be under the Cubs control but he can opt out of the financial terms. Cubs have him under control six years once he makes his big league debut.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil
          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

             Soler will still be under the Cubs control but he can opt out of the financial terms. Cubs have him under control six years once he makes his big league debut.

          • cubtex

            So they will probably keep him in the minors for 3 years no matter how fast he progresses…..would you agree?

          • daverj

            I think the 6 years of control (once in the majors) is the same as for any other minor leaguer.  Thus, the same issues would be applicable to a potential call-up … balancing bringing the player up to play in the majors vs the financial considerations of starting the clock sooner.

        • Aaron

           easiest move is dropping Sappelt, who with the emergence of Ty Wright, has absolutely no value to the Cubs right now

          • John_CC

            er…Koyie Hill?

          • Aaron

             That would only be the case if Castillo was ready, in which case a 40-man spot would open. My understanding is that he is NOT ready, but that was a report from 2 days ago, so who knows?

          • Tony_Hall

            They have until July 2nd to make it official.

          • John_CC

             That’s what I was thinking.

        • cubtex

          DFA Gerardo Concepcion :)

          • John_CC

             god, you’re just hilarious! And all the little smiley faces…

          • cubtex

            better than attacking people like you ;) :) :) :)

  • John_CC

    In other news … there is a note about Soriano “Gaining value” and that “he wants to play for a contender” on the ESPN Rumors list … do one of you Insiders want to fill us in if there is actually and info in that or just the standard rumor mill?

    • Tony_Hall

      Ask and you shall receive.

      The Chicago Cubs would love to find a new home for Alfonso Soriano, For his part, Soriano is open to the idea, assuming he was traded to a pennant contender.
      “If they want to trade me, I hope it is to a team that’s a contender because it’s about trying to go for that ring,” Soriano tells Joe Cowley of the Sun-Times.
      Of course, a huge obstacle remains. No team is willing to take on the contract of Soriano, who is making $18 million every year through 2014. As Cowley points out, the Cubs had to pay the Marlins to take Carlos Zambrano off their hands, and they would have to make the same type of deal to get Soriano off their roster.
      Soriano is doing his part to help facilitate such a transaction, however, by staying red hot at the plate. He’s batting .275/.321/.507 for the season and has five homers in June, including three in the past three games.
      The more he hits, the less money the Cubs will have to include to ship him out of town, and a club such as the upstart Baltimore Orioles could have interest, as could the Tampa Bay Rays if their experiment with Hideki Matsui doesn’t work out well.
      - Doug Mittler and Jason A. Churchill

      • John_CC

         Thanks Tony.

    • Laughoff

      I think it is more Bullsh*t.
      I heard  you are an expert in Bullsh*t.
      Are you an attorney John CC?
      Attorney’s Bullsh*t all day and get paid for it.
      And you love to talk about Bullsh*t

      That Soriano report is about three days old, so you are just reporting old Bullsh*t that many of us read on other MLB blogs a few days ago.

      Well, enough of this Bullsh*t.

      I have to get back to work and bill some Bullsh*t time I had with you on some clients.

      But you can go on and Bullsh*t with your buddy Tony.  No doubt he will tell you the same Bullsh*t how no one wants Soriano and his contract.

      Have a Great Day.

      • Duas

        What the….where did this rant come from? This doesn’t belong on this website…please stay classy!

      • Tony_Hall

        Actually it is on the main screen of ESPN.com/mlb TODAY!!!

      • Christian2334

        Oh look…it’s cubstalk again or cubs whatever. Stay off the site please. Just stop.

  • cc002600

    NIIIIIIICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

  • daverj

    This is great news.  Next part of plan … go hard after free agent pitchers Hamels, Greinke, A Sanchez and Marcum and land two of them.  If Hamels makes it to free agency, I expect the Cubs will do what it takes to land him … I can see Hamels getting $175 million over 7 years.

    • Cloycub13

      Now THIS is GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aaron

    This is TREMENDOUS news….essentially $3.25 million/year for 9 years…That’s a STEAL, even if he bombs….as he’s a cost controlled player now for 9 freaking years. NINE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • cubs1967

      would you trade soler for bryce harper & stephen strasburg?
      most would say yes; these monies equal those 2; so if he is good, 3.25 M is cheap…….good being all-star or near all-star.
      if he’s a 4th OF……….well then not so much.

      and most cubans hitters sturggle…see morales and vaciedo and even cespedes has slowed down plus domincans are much more heavily scouted than a cuban.

      i’ll reserve the jumping for joy after the kid gets assigned and plays some games against real talent……..remember theo thought dice-K would be good to and his current team is on pace to break the all time since 1876 cubs sucky-sucky futility record.

      • SuzyS

         Cubs1967…Congratulations!!!! I was waiting for the first Cynical Post…(The Cubs have created a ton of cynics…and rightfully so.)
        You’ve won the first cynical post…on a pure joy day.

        Cubs1967…I respect your views…but sometimes, you just have to enjoy the moment and be a kid again.

        • Scott

          Some people will never be happy no matter what happens.  Don’t concern yourself with people like this.  They are only on this site to get a rise out of people.  True Cubs fans are excited at this moment.

      • mutantbeast

        DiceK was far from terrible. I seem to remem,ber he won 18 games a couple of yrs ago, with a mid3s ERA pitching half his games in Fenway. DiceK is like SorryONO in a way, its not that hes been terrible/terrible, but he hasnt lived up to his contract. id say this-if the Bosox offered us DiceK for Sorry, id do it. Swap contract for contract.

    • cubtex

      He can become a free agent everytime he is arbitration elgible. It is a great contract for Soler…….not so great for the Cubs. If he kicks ass…he will get a hell of a lot more than 30 mil.

  • daverj

    The dollars seem to good to be true.  I wonder if Soler has the option to elect arbitration for the last few years of the contract.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      He does have outs once he becomes arb eligible

  • wrigleylover

    Great signing. We need hitters more than pitchers

    • CubsForever

       No, we need pitchers who can pitch, and hitters who can hit.

  • paulcatanese

    I was wrong about Cespedes as he appears to be the real deal. Only right about one thing, his physical makeup. I had said that because of his work ethic (lifting and leg lifts) he would end up with hamstring problems and he has been out twice already with them.

    I have learned from my assessment on Cespedes to not put a judgement out on Soler. Will have to wait until he is put up against legitimate talent to see how he performs.

    I still am apprehensive about signing an unknown talent (other what scouts have seen in workouts) but my opinion matters little here. Nine years is okay except for the major league roster spot, that remains to b seen how that works out.

    Ironic that knowing what Rizzo can do and against AAA talent that he is still not up with the Cubs, yet spend 30mil on an unknown talent. They must know what they are doing. Although they have Rizzo at a dirt cheap contract, along with LaHair.

    • Ripsnorter1

      EXACTLY! You nailed it, Paul. 

  • cubtex

    So now Soler can opt out of the contract every year he is arbitration elgible. What a great contract for him! If he flops he makes 30 million……If he becomes a stud, he can make 3 times that amount! Now the 9 years don’t look nearly as good does it????

    • gary3411

      In what case does he make $90 million? Is that including free agency after the 9 years?

      But yes, this clause changes the whole situation, but only by about $10million or so if he is good.

      • cubtex

        Didn’t Levine report that he could become a free agent any of the years he becomes arb elgible?

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          Levine was wrong, he corrected his report. He is still under the Cubs control but can renegotiate his arb years.

          • cubtex

            OK. Great!!!! That is a huge huge difference

          • Aaron

             Neil,

            I know you always try to be objective, so I don’t want to put you in a difficult spot, but don’t you believe this is one hell of a deal for the Cubs?

            I mean…9 years..NINE!!! for a 19 year old. That’s quite a deal at a little over $3.25 million/year.

            Castro, on the other hand was signed for around $400k I think from the DR, plus, he’s earned about $450k/year averaged the last 3 years (including the pro-rated for 2010), he will have earned a combined total of around $1.75 million. Now, consider the fact that in 2013, he’s arbitration eligible, and in line to earn about $10 million (I’m averaging, as a few will initially be lower, then higher) on average for the 3 years of arbitration before he’s eligible for free agency in 2017. That would be a total of $31.75 million over the course of 9 years. (started in the system age 17 in 2007)

            He made MLB in his 3rd season.

            If Soler is on the same path, it’d be a steal. Obviously, the problem becomes the arbitration years where he can earn much more overall than Castro because of the accumulated amounts before he reaches MLB, but still…isn’t this a good deal for the Cubs?

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Aaron, hey man sorry for the delay in responding.

            I like the deal for the reasons you state. I am glad they got more than the 4-5 years that were rumored. They need time to develop him.

            This is a good move … no complaints here.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

             Aaron, Pierce Johnson just announced on Twitter he signed with the Cubs

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Johnson is reporting to Boise

    • cubs1967

       He can opt-out monies; not the team Rosenthal is reporting, meaning he can go thru the arb process if he desires, but not leave the cubs. So really if he spends 3 yrs in the minor to make 10M; them 3 yrs at the majors for another 10M, when  and if he is good, off we go to the arb process…….just like any other draft pick; so really in 9 yrs he could be a FA; nothing sweet about the deal; normal deal a draft pick gets; if he gets to the majors quicker, the more it will cost.  really its just a 9 yr deal, monies TBD depending on the kid……

      • cubtex

        I am just reading what Levine reported. He said he could become a free agent any of the years he becomes arb elgible. I hope Levine is reporting this incorrectly.

        • gary3411

           Me too.

      • Wavin’_Wendell

        Just remember, it was rumored prior to today that the deal would be around $30M for 4 years. Signing Soler for $30M for 9 years is a MUCH better deal than anyone anticipated. Even if he opts out after year 6, if he’s a fit with the Cubs, I’m sure Theo will give him the money he deserves (granted Soler wants to stay). If he’s a flop, it was a medium risk, high reward investment, and I can’t blame Theo for that.

    • Dakeller80

      I see that argument from the glass is half full perspective.  This is a great contract in my book, even with the opt out during arb years.  Cubs are banking on being a contender in the next 3-5 years. . .and Soler will still be under control then. If the team continues to contend and Soler turns out to be a stud. . .then I expect the Cubs will be more than happy to pay him what he’s worth.  He’ll only be in his mid to late twenties! If he’s a flop. . .the team is only on the hook for 3.5 million per year.  He’s got to at least be worth 1/5 of a Soriano, right?  

  • mutantbeast

    Better pray this kid is the real deal. Scouts sure seem to like him, and  his power/arm tools rate highly. Lets see what he does-wouldnt it be nice to seem Soler/DunstonJr/Vogel-boom together in Boise this year?

  • Duas

    I can’t believe we stole him for such a low bid ! How soon do you guys think he will make his major league debut?

    • duas

      Starts Off Next year at triple AAA with a september call up being likely kid is a freak

      • Tony_Hall

        No chance of that.  

  • Wavin’_Wendell

    Just wondering, is there any video of Soler?

  • Cubsforever

    Soler will spend this season and maybe the entire next season in the minors.   Too early to tell when Soler will be playing at Wrigley.  Just relax, and don’t get too hyped up for this kid.  Which he is, just a kid.  Cubs fans always want to put pressure on all these young guys and get them here on the next Greyhound bus.   Rizzo is not even here yet, and there are some people counting the HR’s that Rizzo is hitting in Iowa.  Some people need a life.   Hopefully we can all see a great Cubs ball club being built by the Master Planner Theo Epstein.  Until then, we have a team that just stinks.

    • Tony_Hall

      Yes you do need a life…please get one some where else.

  • Tom U

    Tonight’s minor league starters:

    Peoria – Gerardo Concepcion (2-4, 6.16)
    Daytona – Matt Loosen (4-1, 3.00)
    Tennessee – Trey McNutt (4-4, 2.35)
    Iowa – Jay Jackson (2-5, 6.53)

    Notes:

    Congratulations to Tennessee and Peoria for recording their 30th wins this weekend.

    LHP Austin Kirk was named the starter for the North squad in the FSL All-Star game.

    RHP Ben Wells was placed on the 7-Day DL with a strained right elbow

    Both Tennesse and Iowa are on MiLB.com today.

  • Aaron

    forgot to mention…

    In 2013, the only players currently under contract on the MLB level that are likely coming back are:

    Samardzija
    Castro
    Russell
    Barney
    Mather
    Campana
    Cardenas (not because he’s done anything to earn it, but because they have no other options outside of Valbuena)
    Clevenger
    W. Castillo

    Joining them will likely be the following:

    McNutt
    Whitenack
    Dolis (if he ever figures out his control)
    Beliveau
    Rhoderick
    Batista
    Cabrera
    Coleman (long-man)

    1B-Rizzo
    3B-Vitters
    IF-Valbuena
    CF-B. Jackson
    OF-Wright (replacing Johnson)
    OF-Lake (replacing DeJesus)

    *2 starting pitchers will come from trades of Dempster and Garza (unless in the unlikely event they somehow extend him) or perhaps from a group including: Rusin/Raley/T. Wood/Volstad/Jokisch/….and perhaps we might see guys like Burke, Kirk, Fracescon, and Jensen rocket through the system to AA this year which would have them on track to make some noise in Spring Training next year.

    Is a rotation cosisting of…
    Samardzija, McNutt, Whitenack, Rusin, Jokisch better than Garza, Dempster, Samardzija, Maholm, and T. Wood? probably not, but it might be closer than you think.

    Is a pen consistiting of…
    Dolis, Russell, Beliveau, Rhoderick, Batista, Cabrera, and Coleman better than Camp, Russell, Coleman, Asencio, Corpas, Marmol, and Wells? YES. With Dolis, Russell, Rhoderick, Batista, and Cabrera, you have 5 guys with closing experience that have done quite well in that role (at least in the minors with Dolis anyhow)

    Is the position talent consisting of…
    Clevenger, Castillo, Rizzo, Barney, Castro, Vitters, Jackson, Campana, Lake, Wright, Valbuena, Mather and  Cardenas better than Soto, Clevenger, LaHair, Barney, Castro, Stewart, Soriano, Johnson, DeJesus, Mather, Campana, Cardenas, and Baker? I would actually say yes, although if you kept LaHair and stuck him in LF, thus moving Jackson to CF and Campana to the bench, I think it’d be even better, but I HIGHLY doubt that would happen for several reasons, and here’s why:

    -Team Theo said the long-term interests would always supersede short-term interests. What that tells me is that a majority of guys that will be either on the wrong side of 30, or far too expensive in 2-3 years will be gone to re-stock the system.

    -LaHair will be 30 next year. Same with Soto and Marmol. DeJesus, Dempster, Baker, Johnson, Soriano, Camp, Corpas, Maholm, and Wells are already on the wrong side of 30 (or will be in the case of Wells and Maholm during this season and Corpas in December).

    That’s 12 guys that don’t seem to fit the “long-term assets” model Team Theo is going for. That’s almost half the team.

    -LaHair in LF would be better than Soriano (and I’m even talking an improved Soriano defensively), however, he does not fit the profile Team Theo wants for their defense, thus it’s unlikely they’d want him in LF even with his bat.

     

    • Texcubnut

      Aaron, no mention of what we might get in return for Dempster, Garza, Soriano, Soto, Marmol, Wells, Stewart(not much), DeJesus, Lahair and Maholm? Additionally, Corpas, Camp and Baker?I know, not much for any of those last three besides being throw-ins on other deals.
       It does make you wonder what our roster will look like next year. Hell, we may even have the number one draft pick, not only next year, but for the next two, possibly, three years.
        Being the old man that I am, I hope I’m around in three or four years because the roster I am envisioning, could be really good.
       

  • jw

    I like this move and I am glad the Cubs were aggressive. Cubs will have Soler, Almora, Rizzo, Jackson, Szcur, a high pick in 2013 and 2014, and the results of the Dempster/Garza trades to build a core around…hopefully they will have as much success as the Braves of the early 90′s

  • paulcatanese

    After Concepcion’s line tonight , how can the Cubs even show their face on this signing, makes no sense at all, the guy is a total bust, period.

    • cubtex

      Paul……Cmon. Don’t use so much common sense. 4IP 11 hits and 9 runs. He is what everyone but Theo said he is. He doesn’t have swing and miss stuff and he is a waste of money and a 40 man roster spot.

      • Tony_Hall

        “He is what everyone but Theo said he is…”   Other teams wanted him, Theo made sure he signed him, and overpaid.  If the signing of Concepcion had any effect on Soler, that I think it was money well spent.  

        The 40 man roster spot is what really bothers you, (I don’t believe you really care about the money…right) and I agree it does stink to have to put him on the 40 man, but it’s not like we have so many great players that we have that hard of a time, with him on it.  It will be more of a problem in 2 years, if he doesn’t develop.

        • cubtex

          Who else was willing to give him the money he got? No one. Why do you constantly defend situations where there is nothing to defend. He was the big splash of the offseason. We were led to believe he is a future top of the rotation starter. He is not even worth discussing. He is not good.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Penrod/700030874 Jason Penrod

             It’s not your money, so who cares?  You have to spend money to make money sometimes.  Besides, he could still pan out, maybe he is trying new things or working on his mechanics- he’s still young.

          • cubtex

            that is funny Jason.

      • Tony_Hall

        Wouldn’t let me reply to your reply.

        “We were led to believe he is a future top of the rotation starter”  - He was said to be a 4th/5th starter, with a couple of people saying he could develop in to a  #2 or #3 starter.  If you thought he would be a top of the rotation starter, you were guaranteed to be disappointed.  From reports no one else was willing to go to $6M…but over 5 years this is peanuts and not worth discussing either.

        The big signing of the off-season was Jorge Soler…it just took a little longer for the process to play out. 

        • cubtex

          this is June if you are not looking at your calendar. I know this season is dreadful. By the way…..you still think that this team is fun to watch play? Brutal and not even worth watching!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    The Cubs signed their first sandwich pick today (43rd overall pick) RHP Pierce Johnson. He is reporting to Boise.

  • CubsForever

    Karl Pagel
    Scot Thompson
    Earl Cunningham
    Jessie Hollins
    Ty Griffin
    Felix Pie
    Corey Patterson
    Lance Dickson
    Bobbie Brownlie
    Hee Seop Cho
    Rich Hill

    All these were can’t missed prospects.
     

    • cubtex

      Who is saying he is a can’t miss prospect? Of course there is risk……but he is a talented player and power athletic bats are rare. There weren’t many in this years draft with his tools.

      • Tony_Hall

        And what’s amazing is the Cubs are the only team to ever have a top prospect not make it….EVERY team has  a list of “can’t miss” prospects…who missed.

  • cubtex

    Brandon Morrow had a significant injury tonight. Do I see a Matt Garza trade with the Jays heating up?

  • CubsForever

    If the Yankees signed Soler, this story would all over the sports wire.