Cubs Down on the Farm Report – 06/28/12

With Anthony Rizzo now up in Chicago, who will be the next player the Cubs’ faithful turn their eyes to? Boise Third baseman Jeimer Candelario can stake his claim, as he continues to roll in the Northwest League. Peoria infielder Javier Baez suffered a minor setback with a hand injury, but is still on a steady pace. Flying under the radar is Daytona shortstop Arismendy Alcantara, who is quietly putting together a good season. Also in the shadows a bit is Tennessee first baseman Justin Bour, who may end up benefitting by Rizzo’s promotion. However, Iowa third baseman Josh Vitters is on everyone’s hot list.

For further information, along with recaps of the Arizona Rookie League and the Dominican Summer League, check out today’s Down on the Farm Report.

Note: Monday’s report will cover games from Wednesday to Saturday. Thursday’s report covers games Sunday through Tuesday.

Short Season-A – Boise Hawks (4-8)
Boise fans had to bite their fingernails on Sunday night, as they almost saw a nine run lead evaporate to Eugene, but the Hawks held on for a 14-11 victory. Boise used the heavy lumber, as Marco Hernandez (2-for-4, two RBI) and Jeimer Candelario (2-for-5, RBI) hit back-to-back homers in the first inning. Shawon Dunston Jr. (2-for-4, double) added a solo shot in the third, while Gioskar Amaya (2-for-4) showed his speed and power with a triple, home run, and two RBI. Both Wilson Contreras (2-for-5) and Chadd Krist (1-for-3, double) drove in two, and Stephen Bruno went 2-for-4 with an RBI.

Willengton Cruz had a decent showing, allowing three earned runs and striking out two in five innings. Felix Pena was tagged for two unearned run as he struck out two in three innings. However, Pete Levitt continued to struggle, giving up six earned runs while only going 0.1 innings. Bryce Shafer got the final two outs to close out the game.

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Monday’s tight game was broken open by Spokane in the sixth inning, as Boise lost 4-1. A 1-1 tie was being waged between the Hawks and the Indians, as Jose Arias struck out three and allowed an earned run in five innings. Amaury Paulino replaced Arias and gave up three earned runs over two innings. Seeing his first action of the year, Su-Min Jung tossed a scoreless eighth inning. Lead-off hitter Gioskar Amaya scored the only run, as he was 2-for-4 with a double. Wilson Contreras went 1-for-3 and an RBI.

A chilly 54 degrees greeted Boise in Spokane on Tuesday, as the Hawks only managed three hits in a 3-1 loss to the Indians. Jeimer Candelario and Stephen Bruno each had a hit, while Rock Shoulders drove in Chadd Krist with a single for their only run. James Pugliese was able to go 4.2 innings, allowing two earned runs and striking out three batters. Hayden Simpson was charged with an unearned run as he struck out four and went 3.1 innings.

Low Class-A – Peoria Chiefs (38-36)
In a real barnburner, Peoria had to survive two comebacks on Sunday as the outlasted Quad Cities 12-11. Pin-Chieh Chen was a big part of the win as he was 4-for-5 with an RBI. Driving in three was Dustin Geiger (1-for-4), as he blasted his third homer. Paul Hoilman was 2-for-5 with two doubles, while Anthony Giansanti plated two as he was 2-for-5. Zeke DeVoss also slugged a home run and scored three run as he was 1-for-3 with a stolen base.

Michael Jensen didn’t have one of his best outings, giving up seven earned runs in four innings. Also coming down to earth was Hunter Cervenka, as he went 2.1 innings and allowed three earned runs. Larry Suarez settled things somewhat, letting in a earned run while striking out three in 1.2 innings. Coming on for his tenth save was Yao-Lin Wang, striking out a batter and pitching a scoreless ninth.

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The Chiefs were able to nudge across just enough runs on Monday, as they defeated Clinton 2-1. Zach Cates received his first start for Peoria, and he went 4.2 innings, allowing an earned run and striking out a batter. The Chiefs’ fans doubled their Zach’s, as Zach Rosscup also saw his first action of the season as he struck out two in 2.1 scoreless innings. Luis Liria picked up his third save by tossing two shutout innings. Wes Darvill went 2-for-4 and Yasiel Balaguert was 2-for-3, while Dustin Geiger and Anthony Giansanti were each 1-for-3, driving in a run apiece.

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Peoria was locked in a 2-2 tie with Clinton on Tuesday before putting their stamp on in the tenth inning, winning 7-2. The Chiefs got some production from the bottom of the order, as Oliver Zapata and Pin-Chieh Chen were each 2-for-3, with Chen hitting a triple and driving in a run. There was also symmetry in the middle of the order and Dustin Geiger and Paul Hoilman went 2-for-5 each, Geiger with an RBI and a stolen base while Hoilman plated two and had a double.

Starter Starling Peralta had his longest outing of the season, as he went seven innings and struck out three while allowing two earned runs. Matt Spencer got his first win for the Chiefs as he set down three in two scoreless innings. Yao-Lin Wang got some work in and he shut the door in then tenth with two strikeouts.

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High Class-A – Daytona Cubs (34-40)
A rainstorm on Sunday brought a doubleheader on Monday with St. Lucie, as game one ended in a 7-3 victory for the D-Cubs. Leadoff hitter Arismendy Alcantara was the whole show, as he went 2-for-4 with a two-run homer, three RBI total, and a stolen base. Micah Gibbs and John Andreoli were each 2-for-3, while Taylor Davis drove in two as he was 1-for-3, including a double. Matt Loosen pitched well, striking out seven and allowing three earned runs in six innings. Ryan Searle finished things off with a strikeout in a scoreless seventh.

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Game two turned into a marathon, as a seven inning contest with St. Lucie went 12 innings for a 4-3 Daytona win. Kyler Burke returned to the Florida State League for the first time since 2010, this time as a pitcher. Burke lasted five innings and struck out two, as he allowed three earned runs. AJ Morris went a scoreless inning, while Tony Zych tossed two and struck out three as he kept the Mets from scoring further. Scott Weismann added four “Ks” as he tied his season high as he threw three innings. Eduardo Figueroa earned his first save by tossing a scoreless inning. Chad Noble went 2-for-4 with two doubles, while Dustin Harrington also had a double and was 2-for-5 with an RBI. Matt Szczur stole his 22nd base as he was 2-for-4 including a double and an RBI.

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After a grueling 19 innings of baseball the previous day, Daytona went 12 innings with St. Lucie on Tuesday before succumbing 4-3 to the Mets. PJ Francescon had another good start, as he went six innings and allowed two earned runs, while striking out three batters. Jeffrey Lorick held the Mets for 1.2 innings and allowed the D-Cubs to take the lead. However, Brian Schlitter failed to close thing out, letting St. Lucie tie the score in the bottom of the ninth with an earned run in 1.1 innings. Ryan Searle tossed another 2.2 innings, but gave up the game-winner in the 12th. Elieser Bonne went 3-for-5 with a double, while Rebel Ridling was 2-for-5 with two RBI.

Double-A – Tennessee Smokies (38-37)
Rain on Sunday ended in the Smokies game being suspended and played as a doubleheader on Monday, as the lost 11-3 to Jacksonville. Trey McNutt was pitching well before the delay, striking out two and allowing an earned run in two innings. Picking up on Monday, Eric Jokisch started as if it were a new game and had his worst performance of the season, giving up ten runs (nine earned) in 5.2 innings. Ty’Relle Harris came in and got the final out. Jae-Hoon Ha was 2-for-5, while Junior Lake went 2-for-4 with a double and two RBI.

Tennessee ended up making the day a total loss, as they fell to Jacksonville 10-3 in the second game. Dallas Beeler pitched well enough to win, allowing an earned run and striking out three in 3.1 innings. Marcus Hatley then pitched 1.2 innings and gave up two earned runs. Then everything fell apart as Kevin Rhoderick has his worst outing by letting in five earned runs in only 0.2 innings. Casey Harman gave up the final two earned runs before recording the last out. The Smokies got an RBI apiece from Justin Bour, Nelson Perez, and Nate Samson as Bour and Perez were 1-for-3 and Samson went 1-for-2.

After a poor showing on Monday, Tennessee took things out on the visiting Birmingham Barons, beating them 11-6 on Tuesday. The bottom part of the order rocked, as Michael Burgess went 3-for-3 with two homers, three RBI, and four runs scored. Michael Brenly was 2-for-4 with his own home run and two driven in. Jae-Hoon Ha joined the hit parade as he went yard and was 2-for-5, including three RBI and an outfield assist. Logan Watkins stole his 14th base as he was 2-for-4 with a double, while Justin Bour went 2-for-5, also with a double. James Adduci was 2-for-4 with a double.

Nick Struck was able to shake off some poor fielding to strike out three while allowing four runs (one earned) in six innings. Casey Weathers made things interesting, giving up two earned runs in an inning of work. Frank Batista then slammed the door, getting the long save as he went two innings and striking out three batters for his 12th of the season.

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Triple-A – Iowa Cubs (32-45)
Once again, the I-Cubs couldn’t turn hits into offensive production as they lost on Sunday to Round Rock 5-2. Iowa had eight hits, with three coming off the bat of Welington Castillo as he was 3-for-4. Blake DeWitt was 2-for-4, while Brett Jackson hit his tenth home run and stole his 14th base in a 1-for-3 performance. Rodrigo Lopez pitched well through five innings, but the wheels came off in the sixth as he allowed four earned runs and ended up with five strikeouts. Esmailin Caridad and Jeff Beliveau each pitched a scoreless inning, and Michael Bowden was tagged with an unearned run in the ninth.

A Monday matinee for Iowa ended in a 2-1 victory over Round Rock. Brooks Raley had his second consecutive quality start, and he struck out five and allowed an earned run through seven innings. Jay Jackson had three strikeouts sandwiched around a hit in a scoreless eighth, while Rafael Dolis shut down the Express in the ninth. Josh Vitters was “the man“, as he went 2-for-3 with a home run and two RBI.

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Iowa’s offense remained spinning their wheels on Tuesday, as they were on the short end of a 3-1 loss to Round Rock. Frankie De La Cruz received no run support, and his three earned runs allowed over five innings should have been enough to keep the I-Cubs in the game. However, the offense scattered seven hits, as Juan Apodaca was the only Iowa player with more than one hit, going 2-for-4 with two doubles. Ryan Rowland-Smith tossed three scoreless innings, while Michael Bowden had a 1-2-3 ninth.

Arizona Rookie League
The AZL Cubs hit the ground running this season, as they are off to a 4-2 start. The biggest news has been infielder Tim Saunders, who is hitting .526 with four RBI in four games while splitting time between shortstop and third. Last year’s second round pick, Dan Vogelbach, has been a doubles machine, batting .412 with five doubles in four games. However, Vogelbach has been relegated to DH, as his defense is not quite ready. A surprise has been 40th round pick Jacob Rogers, who is at .300 while playing mainly first base. Thirty-fifth round choice Ben Carhart has seen time at third base and is hitting .357.

As is usual at this time, pitchers rarely go more than a couple of innings, and innings are dominated by rehabbing players. One prospect that looked good in his first start was 2010 40th round pick Brian Smith, as the 19-year old lefty held the Diamondbacks scoreless for three innings while striking out two batters. Former international free agent Jin-Young Kim is being converted into a closer, and has a save, two strikeouts, and a 0.00 ERA in two appearances.

Dominican Summer League
The Cubs-1 team continues to keep their head above water with a record of 10-11 despite a team batting average of only .234, as they are now fifth in the Baseball City division. Shortstop Jenner Emeterio came back down to earth a little, but is still hitting .355, including three doubles, a triple, a home run, and nine RBI. Outfielder Jeffrey Baez only has a batting average of .250, but he has stolen ten bases in only 12 games. Left-handed starter Carlos A. Rodriguez remains the ace; as he has pitched 21 innings, posting an ERA of 1.29, WHIP of 0.86, and 24 strikeouts. Lefty Jose Paulino is tied for sixth in the league with 26 strikeouts, while he has a 2.25 ERA in 20 innings.

With their better offensive players, the Cubs-2 team is still struggling to translate that into wins, as they are 10-11, fifth in the Boca Chica South division. Centerfielder Kelvin Encarnacion continues to be the offensive leader, with a .345 batting average, five home runs and 14 RBI. Shortstop Luis Acosta has dropped to 11th in the league with 18 RBI, but raised his average has to .260. Right-handed pitcher Daury Torres remains dominant, as his ERA is 1.30 while being tied for sixth in the league with 26 strikeouts, also including a 0.90 WHIP.

News and Notes
The Chicago Cubs recalled IF Anthony Rizzo from the Iowa Cubs; optioned IF Adrian Cardenas to the Iowa Cubs. The Chicago Cubs recalled RHP Rafael Dolis from the Iowa Cubs; assigned RHP Alberto Cabrera to the Iowa Cubs from the Tennessee Smokies.

The Peoria Chiefs placed IF Kenny Socorro on the 7-Day disabled list; activated OF Taiwan Easterling from the 7-Day disabled list. The Boise Hawks released IF Brian Inoa; recalled IF Gregori Gonzalez from the AZL Cubs.

The AZL Cubs released RHP Ramon Garcia; assigned RHP Daniel Adrian from the DSL Cubs 1; assigned RHP Anthony York, IF David Bote, and OF Bijan Rademacher from the Chicago Cubs.

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  • J Daniel

    Question is who is ready to come up and contribute or be an impact guy without running the risk of crushing them because they are not ready? Let’s face it, only 2 positions are really a lock at this point, first and short. I would like to see more of Clevenger and think we will as soon as Soto is either traded or DFA. That might bring it to 3 positions they are set at. All 3 can hit!

    Then you need to ask is Barney ok on a championship team? DeJesus as a 4th or 5th of is ok.

    So at the very minimum they need 3 outfielders and a third baseman. I feel that aguy like Campana would be fine if they had corner studs.

    They need at the very minimum 2 top of the rotation pitchers , maybe a 3 as well, and a closer.

    There is a long way to go and shows what a mess was really inherited.

    • DWalker

      need more then just a closer, they need at least half a bullpen as well. Actually, Sharks problems lately have really driven home that it MIGHT honestly be two years before he is really going to be comfortable as a rotation pitcher. It will help if pitchers get some early run support, but to be really effective all year he still has work to do.

      Barny is not bad, I have no problem keeping him with so many other gaps to worry about especially if he doesn’t have a last half fade out. with the long term depth at SS, he might not be the 2B of the future, but he’s not the problem right now.

      Still not comfortable with any of our close catching prospects, but they have potential to develop. That leaves 4 position players + a lot of pitchers. It’s going to take a while to fill all the gaps even with upper mid level players, let alone impact talent

      • J Daniel

        Some of Barney’s second half fade I believe was due to the grind and still being young.

    • Zonk

      I agree we are very desperate for pitching. But we have alot of holes, frankly.
      Campana isn’t a major league starting player. He doesn’t make enough contact, or make up for that with some power. There is nothing in his minor league record to suggest that his current ML productivity isn’t about where he should be. I do think he is a ML bench player, as PR/5th OF.
      Barney is OK; he is either a very good bench guy, or a low-grade starter on a good club. He has a good rep around baseball for heady play and being coachable, which is why there is interest in him for trades. He’s OK if we upgrade elsewhere.
      Clevenger? I thinks he’s a ML backup. He doesn’t hit for enough power or make enough contact to start. That being said, he is a ML player. Not sure Castillo is, he hasn’t proven he can make enough contact to stick at this level.

      • J Daniel

        Zonk, that means a significant need for 3 outfielders, 2 with really good home run power. A third baseman with power which would give them 4 power bats including Rizzo. In my opinion you need 4 everyday players that are legitimate threats to go deep, but these guys need to be able to hit! That is how you can live with a guy like Barney.

        So, if that approach is correct they are ok now at 1st, 2nd, and SS. Still leaves 5 everyday players needed along with 5 quality pitchers – 3 starters, a closer, and another quality set up caliber guy that might be able to close but can set out fires in the 7th or 8th.

        Who is ready in the system to fill any of these roles?

        Neil, Tom, or anyone else?

      • Dorasaga

        I’ve been saying the same thing about Barney, plus he’s the smarter player who can fill in SS just in case.

  • RMercer69

    So, with the Yanks having CC and Petitte going down, do the Yanks become very viable to deal for Dempster. Do they have the prospects the Cubs covet?

    • CubsChatter

      Cubs need to trade Garza & Dempster to teams that have the best prospect package to give back, not to a team because they are the Yankees or Red Sox.

      • RMercer69

        You love annoying people. The question was since the Yanks need pitching now, they may be willing to part with more. So, if so, do the Yanks HAVE a pkg that would benefit the Cubs for Dempster?

        • BosephHeyden

          First and foremost, I don’t think the Yankees have enough prospects to get both Garza and Dempster. That’s out of your line of question, but it does answer the question of a certain someone up there’s, since he suggested trading both Dempster and Garza to the Yankees since they lost Pettite and Sabbathia (in about three back-to-back-to-back posts).

          To answer YOUR question: last I checked (not that hard, mind you, and Tom or Aaron will know better), they likely have enough for one. And, what’s more, I would say that, with the Yankees, they could take Dempster for less prospects so long as they take the entire contract. Of course, most sportswriters are saying that the Cubs are valuing prospects over money, which I don’t necessarily agree with, but if that’s the case, I don’t think the Yankees have the package for Demp or Garza.
          But I would say the Yankees would be the ideal team for Dempster: get his contract off the books, get less in terms of prospects, and that’s that. Then you send Garza to a borderline contender for a good haul (and this is where the AL Central being just awful is a plus, because every team in the division is still technically in it, and everyone except the Twins is still logically in it). And the Royals, last I checked, have a pretty good farm system…

          • Dorasaga

            The Royals, for better or worse, will not contend. If they tried, then they were out of their mind. And they did.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Dodgers agree to sign Cuban outfielder Yasiel Puig on a record-setting multiyear deal. http://atmlb.com/N6TsoX

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      According to Jon Heyman, the Dodgers have signed Yasiel Puig to 7-year, $42 million contract.

    • CubsChatter

      Soler deal looking even better now.

    • Tony_Hall

      Is this statement true?

      “Puig may not have as high of a ceiling as Soler but is considered closer to the big leagues. ”

      If so, the Cubs deal looks a lot better next to this one.

      • J Daniel

        Yes, but Soler has opt outs which could make his higher.

        • Tony_Hall

          Which will only happen if he is playing very well, which is a win, win for both sides.

      • cubtex

        Who’s to say? These guys are both crapshoots unless you are connected with double secret international scouts that noone else is.

        • Tony_Hall

          That was from an article, that stated this.

          And yes I am connected with double secret international scouts that noone else is….it is good to be connected :)

          • Dorasaga

            I was lucky to have watched a few int’l tournaments b/w 2004-2011, but I’ve never watched Soler or Puig play. That said, I wasn’t impressed by Cespedes. His former teammate in Granma, Alfredo Despaigne, has always been hailed as the better and “pure hitter” that Cespedes never was.

            I think Cespedes has the build to be more athletic, and hence, more appealing to American scouts. But let’s not forget that players like Pedro or Joe Morgan never was that “built.” Their are effective baseball players who can deceive most scouts (Nick Swisher, Barney, the list of good players goes on).

            I’ll also remind baseball fans that Granma is like the MIN Twins, never a big pool for talent (in Cuba, the rule forced players to only play for their residency), and never a powerhouse to win titles. It was a pleasant shock to have two recent, very good hitters from there.

  • CubsChatter

    Poll Question of the Day…..

    The Cubs are taking a day off…..so the average Cub fan
    will be ……..??????

    A – Waiting on news of a major Cubs trade
    B – Watch the White Sox / Yankees game tonight
    C – Reviewing their Cubs baseball card collection
    D – Driving out to Iowa to watch the Iowa Cubs
    E – Planting flowers and picking out fabric samples

    • John G

      The answer is “F”
      That’s not a choice. It’s your grade.

      • CubsChatter

        John G, I think you need to go back to work on your flowers and come up with better stuff………..put on your gloves so you don’t prick your finger on a thorn…….if you don’t have gloves, maybe someone here will lend you a pair……..LOL

    • SuzyS

      CubsChatter…You are certainly entitled to your opinions…but as a daily reader of the CCO and sometimes poster…I find most of your posts…especially the “poll question of the day” absolutely irritating. Your insulting retorts to most people are ridiculous and add no value at all to intelligent conversation on the team.
      I usually ignore your posts, but in this case, on this day…I find you offensive.

      • J Daniel

        Suzy,
        Nice post and would say that most of us would agree with you.

        CubsChatter, please man, stop!

      • CubsChatter

        Hello SuzyS…..sorry if I offend you….if you knew me, like how other people know me……..you would want to run away from me also…….just kidding……….I knew a few Susan’s in my life…..but they were not baseball fans……….how far do you go back with the Cubs?……lets play Cubs Trivia……name a one time Cubs player whose brother was a Bank Robber?…..don’t like that one?……okay, try this one……Name the Cubs Outfielder who use to drink beer between pitching changes?……Don’t like that one either?….okay, name the last Cub player who was also a military reserve soldier during the season?

        SuzyS, If you get all three trivia questions correct…..we can have a date!……..we can see a White Sox game if you like……bathrooms are cleaner and safer at Sox park than at Wrigley….if you know what I mean.

        Keep on smiling!

        Sorry, any guy who owns white gloves, cannot participate in this contest.

    • RynoTiger

      Pool Question of the Evening…..
      At 8pm AZ time I am going to……..??????
      A-Go for a bike ride
      B-Sit on my ouch and cruise the internet
      C-Have some birthday cake ice cream
      D-Kneel and worship at my Team Theo Shrine
      E-Watch some TV

      • CubsChatter

        Sorry guys & gals ….I have to do this one……

        RynoTiger….I think you missed the point of your poll….especially being in Arizona….but first…..we do “polls” here, not “pools”…..and what is a “ouch”?……spell check buddy……

        So the Poll Question of the Night is…..

        What should RynoTiger be doing in Arizona tonight?

        A – Take a community college course in spelling
        B – Go on a Border Security Patrol on his bike
        C – Stop any illegal looking Mexicans, Muslims and Scandinavians Ryno might see and ask them to show him their papers and their Cubs Die Hard Membership card
        D – Skip the birthday cake & ice cream…. go to a strip club and really celebrate in the Champagne Room.
        E – Call up SuzyS and play Cubs Trivia with her.

        • BosephHeyden

          This is the last time I acknowledge yours, or any of your alter ego’s, posts. And I’m also going to do one better than that and give you some very helpful advice.

          Stop now.

          I have no particular ill-will towards you, but 99% of the people that have frequented this site at one point in time or another do. And while you think you can simply keep annoying people here, either purposely or otherwise, that is most definitely not the case. Because here’s what can happen next:

          You will eventually say something ridiculously out of line to the point where you’ll either be banned on this (or another) account by Neil or a DISQUS moderator. And you will take that as your ticket to create another account and continue your “fun”. And maybe you fool people for a while, but eventually we’ll figure out who you are by looking at either the frequency of your posts or because you decided to do another poll…whatever the case, we’ll be back to the same point. Except this time around, DISQUS, or their parent company, or someone in charge of this, is going to see that you’re the same person as someone they’ve already banned. And that’s when they’ll determine you’ve breached their Terms of Service.

          I’m saying this because I’ve already dealt with this type of situation before on my end. When I was a teen back in the late 90’s up to the early 2000’s, I discovered message boards. And I also discovered people were very opinonated and, if they didn’t like my opinion, they’d tell me to leave. And when I didn’t, they’d ban me. And I quickly found out I could just make another name and continue “fighting my fight”. Except I lost that fight. And it was not a pretty loss, because one day I got a letter in the mail saying that I was being sued by some company in California that hosted a board I frequented under numerous names. I had no idea how they found me, but they did. I avoided a trial I wasn’t going to win by settling at the price of $5,000. Since I just turned 18, I was the person they went after and was the person who had to pay the full $5,000. It was not a very good welcome to adult life. And I say this to you because the legal system, as far as lawsuits go, has not gotten any kinder. And even if it isn’t the host of this board, I would have to imagine you probably do this on other boards too.

          So, here’s my suggestion: call it a week. Enjoy the first day of July, and come back for the Cubs/Braves series. Feel free to contribute meaningfully at that point. If you don’t think you can do that, there is no shame in just walking away, and obviously you can visit the site without posting (I did that for about three months before my first post). Because the alternative, and it may not be here, heck, Neil seems a lot more tolerant than most moderators, is not very pleasant, and it is not something I care to see or hear someone going through.

          • CubsMVP

            Sounds like you need $5,000……my friend makes twice that much every week on her computer at home…….what is a shame is that someone con you out of $5,000…….did you ever hear of the first amendment?

        • RynoTiger

          Yep I made a typo. I’ll back to school and get my 3rd degree since I made that typo.
          Actually CubsChatter, I went for a bike ride and it was a nice workout. Being that I am mexican american, anytime I look in the mirror I see a guy who could be illegal. But good news, I ask myself everyday to show myself my own papers.
          As for a strip club…hell yah that’s a party. I’d just hope that Channing Tatum is there to give me a really great show. He’s hot. I’ll take him.
          Oh Cubs trivia would be a fun game. Perhaps that could be a new component to CCO. Neil, what do you think? Could there be an interactive Cubs trivia game on here?
          Thanks for helping me turn your negativity into something positive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

    Tom, seems like Jeimer Candelario is one of the more advanced hitters in our system. Do you think he is on the fast track to the bigs ala Castro? And even more importantly then that, does he have a postion? I know many feel Vitters is the future 3b here is there any way either could pull off playing 2b well?

    • DWalker

      I have a sneaking idea that Theo isn’t going to rush guys through the system so fast. Two reasons:
      First off, he’s going to want to see them really devolop before facing ML pitching and pressure. Castro was rushed and it left rough edges on him, and Jed is going to be gun shy for a while after Rizzo. Nothing they have shown so far is any indication they will realy fast track guys beyond the lowest levels.
      Second, I don’t think they will really push any potential impact player up faster then they really need to to maximize years of control into the prime years for the team. That means maybe 2014 and likely 2015 at the earliest they will want to start bringing guys like Candelario and Baez up no matter what. The only reason they would bring them up in 2014 would be to spread out rookie years a little if they expected some of the recent signings to come up in 2015 instead of 2016.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mike.simala Mike Simala

        Thanks guys, is there no way vitters could move to 2b, i know hes on the bigger side, but hes the same size as Chase Utley and he mans 2b rather well. Candelario is actually smaller than utley at this time but with him bein only 18 still i do see more growth coming and full expect and agree that he will be better at 3b. In a perfect world though we already have a 3b with Vitters, would it be a bad time with the rebuilding to foresee that future issue and try vitters at second? Which really appears to be our biggest hole in the minors aside from pitching. Or are they thinkiing Baez will take over ss eventually and force castro to 2nd? I dunno im just looking at a gaping hole at 2nd and seeing if we have something that we could do there.

        • Tom U

          Mike, I’ve watched both of them play and while they move well for third basemen, could you imagine someone like Ron Santo or Mike Schmidt playing second base?

          Vitters has played well in the outfield when given an opportunity.

    • Tom U

      Good evening Mike. I’m sorry I couldn’t post earlier, but my job doesn’t offer me the opportunity.

      Your question is a tricky one, as this management team did have a history of moving along prospects. Is there something they learned for this? Whatever the case, they probably won’t tell you, as that is their nature.

      While I don’t think players like Candelario and Baez will be moved as quickly as Castro, they will go upward at a good pace. Remember, windows of opportunity are often small. I still believe that if they had moved Brett Jackson up to the big leagues last year (shortly before he broke his hand), he would probably be having a much different (and better) season than he is having now.

      About Candelario’s position: it will most likely be a corner infield spot. He doesn’t look like he the body for second base, and he may be a little slow for the outfield.

  • Tony_Hall

    Chris Archer had 2 starts filling in while Hellickson was out, let’s see how he did.

    3.09 ERA
    11.2 IP
    14 K’s
    2 BB’s
    WHIP 0.77

    So much for him having control issues, at least when facing major league hitters. Great WHIP, K/9, all in all good 1st look at the majors for him.

    Also, Hak Ju Lee, you know that awful prospect who can’t hit.

    June – 316 AVG 375 OBP and still 21 years old

    • John_CC

      And it’s just two starts Tony, but I get your point.

      And what is Garza’s ERA?

      • Tony_Hall

        Depending on what happens to Garza (traded, extended, walks) will go a long ways to seeing who won the trade, but if Archer ends up in their rotation and Lee is their starting SS, it will be tough to accept for me.

        • John_CC

          I know. Two starts isn’t anything really. Look at Shark.

          Garza’s 4.00 ERA isn’t too special this year either. I’m starting to think that he will never put it all together, his inconsistency has been career-long. I hope they can get some serious prospects for him.

          Depending on when Garza and Demp are gone, this team will have a hard time winning many more games…100 Ls are almost certain.

          Not that I care about this season at all and whether they lose 94 or 104.

    • cubtex

      Are you kidding Mr. Small Sample Size. Archer has not miraculously solved his control issues after 2 starts. Scouts still project him as a late inning guy because of that recently noted by Jim Callis. TH…..you get too excited over small sample sizes. You did with Casey Coleman……you did with Bryan LaHair and you are doing it again. Relax……let these guys do it over an extended period of time.

      • Tony_Hall

        I just stated how Archer did in his two starts against major league hitters. Never said he was going to the all star game. No different than how you poste how bad Archer and Lee were doing after April. Same small sample size. At least they are showing progress and improvements like anyone would want out of young guys.

        • cubtex

          As bad as this season has been…….we have 2 players out of the starting 8 that could be regulars for the future. Castro and Rizzo. That is 1 better than a week ago:) Vitters is looking like he wants to join that group so hopefully we see him up after the allstar break too.

          • http://twitter.com/chadbraham Chad Braham

            People keep talking about brining Vitters up after the All-Star break (or soon).

            That isn’t a Team-Theo move though is it? Wouldn’t we expect Vitters to be there for a complete AAA season? Isn’t that the new management philosophy?

          • Zonk

            Jed Hoyer the other day stated that Vitters would stay in Iowa. There really is no rush, he’s young, and let’s see him produce over a full season.
            If you look at Vitters, it’s not like he is killing AAA pitching, just doing well. He can still improve.

          • John_CC

            Yeah, I highly doubt they will bring Vitters up until September if at all. There is no reason to. Valebuena is serviceable for this team.

          • Tony_Hall

            I agree that I think that is what they would do. But, I would like to see him get at least 2 months at the major league level, with the plan being he starts next year at Iowa again, unless he earns the job to start the year.

          • cubtex

            Jacoby Ellsbury never played a full season at AAA. 87 games and was promoted. Vitters is at 76. I think it is very possible he gets promoted this year especially with the huge void at 3b.

          • Dorasaga

            That will be my wish came true.
            :-)

            Btw, the small sample size thing, there was a THT article stating that fan analyst (with the sabermetric tools) needs 3000 pitches or 600 PAs from a player to have enough (“normalized”).

            Some scouts with stats in mind would say watch the a starting pitcher for 3 starts. I think Archer is getting there.
            :-))

      • Tony_Hall

        Bringing up Coleman again…all I ever wanted was for him to get another shot at the rotation, because he came up and had a good September. Never had as an All-Star, HOF, just an opportunity, in a season where there were no playoff thoughts.

        Same with Lahair, I don’t see him as the guy in April, but as a player, who I doubt any team will give enough value back, to make it worth giving up a cost controlled player, who is capable of filling LF once Soriano is traded. Not for years and years, but until a team is willing to give up some value for him.

        And I am all for Archer getting an extended opportunity, I just wish it was in our rotation :)

        • cubtex

          There aren’t too many players in mlb history who struggled as badly as Archer has in the minors and turned out to have a long and productive career. He has command issues. According to most scouting reports……even after these 2 starts don’t consider him a future starting pitcher.

          • Tony_Hall

            You have info from scouts since he made his last start in the last few days…you are connected.

          • cubtex

            It is good to be connected :)

        • brent carmona

          I really thought Coleman would step up and prove he belongs in the MLB but he has been pretty poor all month. Hes been given a lot of opportunities , running out of time for him.

          • Tony_Hall

            I agree, what Cubtex and me are talking about is beginning of last year.

          • Zonk

            I was always a doubter. It didn’t hurt to give him a shot this year, I agree with that, but I don’t think he has it. He has no velocity and very average breaking ball. He has a deceptive motion, but needs to be pin point with his control to be successful. He isn’t, so he’s getting shelled.

    • cubtex

      And Hak Ju Lee is still in AA hitting .258 and has only 15 extra base hits in 314 AB’s……..A huge loss :) Isn’t Chris Volstad only 25?

    • cubtex

      In 6 starts for the White Sox replacing the injured John Danks….. Jose Quintana 43.1 IP. 36 hits. 1.25 ERA. and a .097 WHIP. Unbelievable! His ERA is half of what it was in the minors. His problems are behind him and he has figured it out. Trade Castro for him now.

      • Tony_Hall

        Talk about taking it too far. I didn’t say to trade for Archer, just stating what he and Lee have done recently, no different than the numerous times you have posted negative info about them.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Josh Vitters named to PCL team for Triple-A All-Star Game

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Four Roster Moves-LHP Michael Heesch,RHP Eddie Orozco,RHP Mike Hamann,OF Bijan Rademacher assigned to Hawks from 2012 Draft

  • ldsteam

    All I have to say is Stay Classy Cubs fans. Based on some of the posts that I have seen. Really?

  • CubsChatter

    If Chris Archer made two starts with the Cubs, his ERA might be over 9,00…….Theo willing to pay most of Dempster’s contract to get better prospects……if teams do not want to pay the price for a Dempster or a Garza, then tell the boys and their agents they are here to feel the pain like the rest of us have to………..agents have great influence on GM’s of getting their client from point A to point B in a pennant race……..agents always want to be around their clients during October playoff time……..Scott Boras has his employees (ex-players) always trying to steal players away from other agents…….especially the ones who were not traded to a playoff team at the trading deadline…………so who is the next new Cubs prospect to
    make it on the north side?….Vitters?….Jackson?….Lake?……….Yankees were rated in the top 10 with prospects…..but the Rays, Royals, Braves have better prospects than the Yankees……..so everyone on the Cubs is on the trade table, except for Castro according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.

  • texcubnut

    Tyler Colvin is a double short of hitting for the cycle today. He is batting over .300 currently. Now, who was it we recieved in the trade for Colvin?

    • brent carmona

      I’m glad he’s getting a shot and succeeding so far, tip my cap to him.

      I remember when hendry sent colvin down to aaa he said ‘we are in the production business..’ but we had a lot of guys not producing and getting more playing time than Tyler. Ugh

      • texcubnut

        I remember that well, Brent. Glad Hendry is gone. I wish Colvin was still here.

    • cubtex

      Touche TH…. It seems like it is ex Cub prospect day on the cco.

  • SuzyS

    To Ripsnorter…sounds like you’re having a good time in Cincy…good for you and the missus!!!

  • brent carmona

    Trey mcnutt can’t make it out of the first inning. How much longer are they going to give him a shot at starting?

  • cubtex

    To continue with the ex Cub prospect watch. Andrew Cashner with a no hitter going thru 5 with 6 K’s in his start tonight! That is where he belongs. He can be a top of the rotation starter.

    • cubtex

      Cashner just struck out side in 6th! Wow! No hitter thru 6IP.

    • Tony_Hall

      Not to diminish this accomplishment, but it is the Astros…and only 6 innings…talk about small sample size to call him a top of the rotations starter.

      Seriously, I hope he does become a successful starter, and wish it could have been as a Cub as well.

      • cubtex

        You are diminishing no hits and 9 K’s against the Astros…..but you were praising a 3.06 ERA from Archer with one of the games against the Royals?

        • Tony_Hall

          I said not to diminish, and got a dig on the small sample size….then started the with seriously….

          He has since given up 2 hits and been yanked in the 7th after 101 pitches. Great outing for him and for his sake, I hope the beginning of a long career as a starter…

          • cubtex

            Not to diminish….but it is the Astros is what you said. Forget Archer…..Cashner has way more upside than Archer. I like Rizzo but Cashner can be special. I bet this turns out to be a good trade for both teams. Too bad the Cubs couldn’t have held onto Cashner and still aquired Rizzo.

          • Tony_Hall

            There are 2 sides to it…it is just the Astros and it is still a great start.

            Since it is such a small sample size, I think I will wait until he does this over a extended period of time before I get too excited about him like you :)

          • cubtex

            You can’t coach 99 mph :)

  • cubtex

    No hitter broken up with single and then homer. Very nice start from Cashner. I really like Rizzo….but like I had said when the trade happened…..trading an arm like Cashner was tough to give up. He can be a top of the rotation guy with his stuff. The Cubs don’t have any of those in their system. Arms like his don’t grow on trees.

    • Tony_Hall

      So after showing improvement and having a great start, is it ok to point out that his WHIP is 1.345, that he has 19 walks in 34.2 innings, with control issues….and that he was facing the Astros who he is inline to get the loss after the 2 run bomb.

    • BosephHeyden

      The big “worry” is that he already hurt his arm once, so most people just assume he’ll have arm problems for the rest of his career. The flipside to that, of course, is that he lives up to the potential he has and becomes, well, I wouldn’t call him an ace, but a very solid number two guy would be a fair assessment. Heck, as of right now, the Padres just added a solid combination of Cashner and a Jason Marquis pitching in a pitcher-friendly park to their rotation and, while they are definitely out of the race for anything this year, they can at least be competitive for the rest of the season and know what they need to add in the offseason.

      But, back to the subject of the trade, yeah, I think Cashner-for-Rizzo may have been a bit excessive so that Theo could have his “golden goose”. Problem is, Cashner was pretty much the only guy that would have been a fair trade for Rizzo, since he’s a good arm in the pen or as a starter that will only get better. Meanwhile, Rizzo was obviously being groomed to fill the A-Gonz opening. Of course, it is also fair to say that we wouldn’t have needed to trade for Rizzo had we developed a proper, actual first baseman that could play every day. Which is also a role that we’ve had three different guys capable of filling said role, but two of them were incompetently bungled by the dynamic duo of Quade and Hendry (Micah Hoffpauir and Tyler Colvin…if you’re one that actually remembers they were grooming Colvin for first in the minors to be ready to fill the hole at first that Hendry bungled with Hoffpauir, yet Quade felt the need to double-platoon Colvin at both first and in the outfield…and by “platoon”, I obviously mean “never play”) and one was never going to be given a fair shot once Hendry let Quade turn him into a platoon outfielder, and was later turned into a platoon-first baseman by Sveum (LaHair).

      Literally every single problem this team has right now can be traced to an extremely dumb move Hendry made or allowed Quade to make. That Ricketts let it go on for a full year is still inexcusable.

  • Tom U

    An update from Boise:

    Dong-Yub Kim with a grand slam as the Hawks now lead 9-2 to start the sixth.

    So far, its 2 home runs and 6 RBI on the Dong-O-Meter for the season

  • Walter

    On ESPN, Josh vitters made kevin goldsteins top 12 prospects in the minors. Anyone with insider, could you post what they said about Vitters. I was just really curious. I really hate jumping the gun on someones good season that was a long time coming, but im really hoping Vitters is our 3b of the future

  • Zonk

    Tom, great report as always, I look forward to the Farm Reports, because, frankly, that’s about all we have to look forward to right now…..
    Arismendy Alcantara…..can you share the 411 on him? How is his glove at SS? He is having a nice year for his age, though he could make a little more contact.
    It’s nice to see Jay Jackson have some success out of the bullpen….maybe that’s his role, because starting clearly wasn’t working. Cubs probably kept him in rotation too long, maybe because they like his bat as a starter

  • Zonk

    PS: He has 22 errors at SS so far, which is not good, but that could be youth. Does he have the range and skills for the position?

  • Tom U

    Zonk, I’ll go at this quickly, as I’m off to work. I’ll be back later this evening to answer anyone else’s questions.

    I’ve seen Alcantara quite a bit over the past few years, and as a frame of reference, his defensive skill set is just a shade below former Cub prospect Hak-Ju Lee. I’ve described him in the past of having the arm of a third baseman, range of a shortstop, but plays best at second.

    That said, he has more than enough defensive ability to stay at short. He’ll need to work on harnessing his ability, and learning that he doesn’t have to make every play a web gem.

    Its because of Alcantara, along with Starlin Castro, Javier Baez, and several other prospects, that I’m still quite puzzled as to why Junior Lake remains at shortstop.

  • gary3411

    26 total and had 40 last year at all positions. He’s on pace for about 50, which is absolutely atrocious and not acceptable. There’s clearly something wrong here. I could see if he were 17 or something, but he’s 20 already. This is worse than Lake, Castro, etc. have ever been defensively (stat wise).

  • Zonk

    Thanks Tom….I have a couple guesses on why Lake is at SS.
    First, his bat profiles better there; he is probably more of a 3B defensively with that strong arm, but his bat is a little short power-wise for that position.
    For 2b, he’s a little large
    Maybe it’s to boost his trade value. We could use some pitching