Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Braves – 05/09/12

Game Thirty-One: Cubs (12-18) vs. Braves (19-12)
Game Time – 1:20pm CDT
Coverage – TV: Comcast SportsNet – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 184/914
Location – Wrigley Field, Chicago

Paul Maholm (3-2, 5.13/1.14) vs. Tim Hudson (1-0, 6.55/1.55)

Even with the disappointing loss Tuesday night, with a victory this afternoon the Cubs have a chance to post their second consecutive series win and finish the six-game homestand against the Dodgers and Braves with a 4-2 record.

The Cubs will turn to Paul Maholm in the series finale and with not using Rafael Dolis and James Russell last night, if the Cubs have a lead late in the game both of Dale Sveum’s young relievers should be available.

Chipper Jones is expected to retire at the end of the season. The future Hall of Famer will play his last regular season game at Wrigley Field this afternoon. The old ballyard has not been that friendly to Jones over his career. In 54 games, Jones is 44-for-200 with three doubles and 10 home runs (.220/.303/.393/.696).

Will Welington Castillo be behind the plate this afternoon? What about Darwin Barney at second base?

Today all starts with Paul MaholmPaul Maholm is coming off three excellent starts against three very good teams (Reds, Phillies and Dodgers). Maholm has allowed a total of three earned runs in his last three starts on 12 hits with three walks and 10 strikeouts in 18 1/3 innings (1.47 ERA and a 0.82 WHIP). In his last outing, Maholm held the Dodgers to one run on three hits in six innings with no walks and four strikeouts. Maholm has also received run support, something he did not get a lot of last year.

Maholm’s home numbers are slowly improving after a rough debut. Maholm is 2-1 in three starts at Wrigley this season with a 4.50 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP.

This afternoon will be Paul Maholm’s seventh career start against the Atlanta Braves. Maholm is 1-1 in the first six with a 1.58 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP … last season, no decision in one start. Maholm allowed one run on nine hits with no walks and nine strikeouts in seven innings.

Braves Career Numbers against Paul Maholm

  • Michael Bourn – 7-for-29 with a double and three walks
  • Matt Diaz – 3-for-12 with a home run
  • Juan Francisco – 0-for-1
  • Freddie Freeman – 1-for-3 with a double
  • Jason Heyward – 1-for-4
  • Chipper Jones – 0-for-6
  • Brian McCann – 0-for-1
  • Martin Prado – 5-for-11 with a double
  • David Ross – 7-for-23 with two home runs and four walks
  • Dan Uggla – 7-for-22 with a double, two home runs and two walks

After spending a majority of the first month on the DL recovering from back surgery, Tim Hudson will make his third start of the season this afternoon. Hudson is coming off a no decision against the Rockies in Colorado in which he allowed seven runs, six earned, on six hits with three walks and six strikeouts in six innings. In his first start, Hudson held the Battlin’ Bucs to two runs on six hits in five innings with a pair of walks and six strikeouts.

Tim Hudson had his way with the Chicago Cubs early in his career. In five starts, Hudson is 2-0 with a 3.94 ERA and a 1.35 WHIP. Hudson did not face the Cubs last season … and has started a game against the Cubs since 2008. Hudson is 1-0 in three career starts at Wrigley with a 2.91 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Tim Hudson

  • Jeff Baker – 1-for-4 with a home run
  • Reed Johnson – 0-for-9
  • Alfonso Soriano – 6-for-35 with a double, three home runs and two walks
  • Geovany Soto – 2-for-6
  • Ian Stewart – 1-for-9 with a home run

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    DeJesus – RF
    Campana – CF
    Castro – SS
    LaHair – 1B
    Stewart – 3B
    Soto – C
    Cardenas – LF
    Barney – 2B
    Maholm – P

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Soriano is out due to pain in one of his knees. No clarification as to which one

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

       Soriano’s left knee is bothering him

      • Chadaudio

        Hate to sound like a jerk, but maybe we can DL Soriano for a bit and get someone else some playing time out it.

        I agree and understand why Soriano is the everyday LF, but if he is on the DL then….

  • RMercer69

    Why isn’t Mather getting this shot in left? Would like to see him get consistent AB’s…think he could do some damage, possibly

    • SomeGuy27

      I would imagine for a couple of reasons; the lefty/righty match-up, they want to get a good look at Cardenes, and they probably want Mather’s bat available to face O’Flaherty or Venters late in the game.

      I do agree though that he needs a few more starts.

    • Chadaudio

      My thought was to Mather too.  What does that guy have to do to get a start?  I like Reed Johnson, but at least they are “playing the kids” instead of giving him yet another start.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs bullpen WHIPs: Dolis 1.09; Camp 1.19; Russell 1.32; Marmol 2.16; Wood 2.77 

    • Ripsnorter1

      Bowden…1.385
      Castillo….1.565

      Just for the sake of completeness…..

      It seems to me that the Cubs should call up Maine, The Cubs already have an abundance of bullpen pitchers who should be regulated strictly to mop up:
      Castillo
      Wood 
      Marmol
      Bowden
      Camp

      That leaves only two men you can put into the 7th, 8th or 9 th inning, imo: Russell and Dolis.

      IMO, Russell is as good as Marshall. I don’t think he’s closer material, but certainly he’s a good setup man. Dolis, too, is not a closer imo. His stuff is too straight, ie, not enough K’s. But still a worthy setup man. 

      I know that Kerry Wood holds a special place in the hearts of many Cubs’ fans. He once fanned 20 batters in a game and has been the face of the franchise for several years. However, he hasn’t pitched effectively since 2008. Look at his stats in Cleveland:

      2009….4.25 ERA and only 20 saves as their closer
      2010…6.30 ERA, 1-4 record….

      He did better in Yankee stadium with Mariano Rivera pulling his fat out of the fire, but he was one of the top Blown Saves pitchers in MLB in 2012

      Kerry was #30 in 2010 in front of Rivera and in Cleveland.
      He was #6 in 2009 in Cleveland.

      And then there’s 16 trips to the DL….

      And now there’s this Carlos Zambrano act? What’s that?

      They should not have resigned Kerry for more than the ML minimum.

    • Calicub

      ouch. I think woody needs to hang it up….

      • CubsTalk

         Only losers are quitters.

        • Tony_Hall

          All players “quit ” at some.point. Doesn’t make them a loser.

          • Dorasaga

            That’s the word of zen for me tonight…

        • Calicub

          your right. those who quit when capable of greater achievement may be considered by your standards “losers.” However, when someone remains in a situation in which their mere presence implys impeding the progress and development of their beloved team I call b.s.. Woody himself said after last season when he entered free agency that he would retire rather than pitch for any other team. After a long negotiation he thankfully resigned to give the masses one, maybe two if he fond the fountain of youth, last years of Kid K and eventually retire with his team. And who doesn’t love Woddy?

          NO one! I will shed a tear the day he retires, but that day is nearing my friend.

          There is no reason Woody needs to QUIT baseball he just needs to hang up his glove and pick up a clipboard. Would Woody stepping aside to clear a spot for someone Maine, an arm this bullpen could really use, be selfless or the actions of a LOSER? He clearly doesn’t seem to be cutting it out there.

          4.1 IP
          14.54 ERA
          4/6 SO/BB
          2.77 WHIP
          6H 7R 1HR

          He was hidden–i mean rested– during spring training to hopefuly keep him off the DL , and after absolutely blowing his first few appearances he was sidelined as expected. There is no shame in moving on after a long and productve career. Maybe he has more in the tank and turns things around to prove me wrong. But i’d be willing to bet he is on the DL once if not twice more by the seasons end.

          • cubtex

            It is May 9th. Cut the man some slack. He is signed for the year. He is not impeding anyones progress and he is a great influence in the clubhouse.

          • Ripsnorter1

            He is impeding Scott Maine’s progress.

          • John_CC

             I agree with tex on this, he’s pitched all of 4 innings.  We all knew when Wood was coming back that it would be his last year, that he would spend time on the DL, that he’d lose some games and that he will still win some too.

            Patience please.

  • Zonk

    Ryan Dempster
    0-1, 1.09 ERA  he has given up 6 runs in 5 games (4 earned runs)

    The Cubs have scored a total of 8 runs in those 5 games (1.6 runs per game)

    The Cub bullpen has surrendered a total of 10 runs in 8 innings of work after Dempster has pitched, with 3 blown saves (out of 5 games)

    Not saying anything you don’t know, but Dempster should be 3-1 easy

    • CubsTalk

      Should be….could be…..

      what the official stat is saying for Dempster is 0-1

      • Tony_Hall

        Not that W-L record is a good stat to judge a starting pitcher.

        • Zonk

          ….my point exactly

        • GaryLeeT

           So wins and losses don’t matter? Try using that one  while negotiating a contract, trying to make an Allstar team, to be considered for a Cy Young or MVP award, and the HOF. Long term, wins and losses are all that matters.

          • Tony_Hall

            First of all, Dempster isn’t too worried about any contracts, so no, the wins and losses on his record don’t matter. 

            Second – For comparing pitchers, it sure isn’t the first place I look to do that comparison, as so much is out of their control.  

            And of course things like Cy Young awards have always looked at wins far, far too much, but that is changing, as there have been winners with less wins then other guys more recently than ever in the past. 

            HOF…I guess 300 wins is how you use to get in, but I don’t believe that is realistic anymore, so 200 wins??  not sure that will be the biggest way that pitchers are elected 10 years from now, but it will still be looked at favorably for those that accumulate more of them.

            And last, please tell me where I said that they don’t matter?

          • GaryLeeT

            You, and others, have said it’s the worst stat to look at while determining a pitcher’s ability. True, it’s not the only stat, but it is number 1.

          • Tony_Hall

            Not sure anyone said the worst, but it is not high on the list.  WHIP, FIP, and more advanced metrics are far better measure of a pitcher.  But if all things are equal, then the W-L can be a tiebreaker.  Wins are such a direct result of how good of team a player is on and how good the offense supports that pitcher.

          • Dorasaga

            You should just write to BBWAA: take back the Cy Young awarded to Greinke and Felix. With the minimum wins they had, they clearly don’t deserve it. So were Eckersley and David Cone. They didn’t have the “Number One,” so apparently, the media made a HUGE mistake perceiving their value to their respective teams and leagues. Overrated, these second-tier pitchers should be considered suckies, right?

          • GaryLeeT

             Weak argument. For every one of your examples , I can give you ten of mine. Plus, I didn’t say they had to be number one in wins to win the Cy Young, but the VAST majority were at or near the top.

          • Dorasaga

             I really don’t feel like throwing in a long post in such a skinny view to counter your very well written and strong thesis on who deserves a Cy Young…

        • Dorasaga

          By the way, Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens won 16 and 18 in their ’90s Cy Young Award years, and didn’t win most for these respective years.

          I feel sorry that two of my generations’ greatest pitchers are mocked by my fellow Cubs fan.

  • CubsTalk

    Get your scorecard ready…..her is today’s Cubs starting lineup.

    DeJesus RF

    Campana CF

    Castro SS

    LaHair 1B

    Stewart 3B

    Soto C

    Cardenas LF

    Barney 2B

    Maholm P

    • John_CC

       Ahh, thanks. Neil posted that about 2 hours ago…

      • CubsTalk

         I see that now….but my lineup is double spaced!

  • CubsTalk

    Who would have thought at this time of the season that LaHair would have more Home Runs than Fielder and Pujols combine!

  • CubsTalk

    Just think how Jim Hendry had Josh Hamilton through a Rule V Draft, but sold him off to the Reds for nothing.  But signed Alfonso Soriano to a over priced contract.

    • Tony_Hall

      Not true. That is not how rule v trades work. JH never knew who the Reds were targeting with the trade of their pick.

      • Zonk

        29 other teams could have had Josh Hamilton almost as easy.  The Reds were the only ones that had a ML slot open, and interest. 

        • Dorasaga

           Yeah, drugs, alcohol, and too much fooling around did not help his cause to be a serious “player.”

    • BosephHeyden

       Ugh…again with this.  Listen:  there are plenty of good reasons to hate most of what Jim Hendry did as a GM and necessitated the spot we’re in right now.  But Josh Hamilton isn’t, nor will he ever be, one of them.  The Cubs had no intentions of getting Hamilton due to the very well documented character issues that he possessed that had not yet been documented (as they are today for the most part) as “taken care of”.  They picked him up simply so they could immediately sell him to the Reds.  How well Josh Hamilton has done seems to give everyone this hindsight that giving away Josh Hamilton for what seems like a pittance was one of the top ten worst moves ever made.  It wasn’t.  The Cubs made a business move with a division rival.  Hamilton could have just as easily wound up going full Ryan Leaf, getting demoted by the Reds, sent back to his original team, and then released.

      And Soriano’s contract was very much for the value he had at the time (a 40/40 guy).  Problem is his knees didn’t hold up, and here we are today.  But that, too, is another move that can’t be criticized without pure hindsight because of the fact every other team would have done the same.

  • CubsTalk

    Are MLB teams giving Chipper Jones any retirement gifts?  If so, what did the Cubs give Chipper Jones?

    May I suggest a life time supply of Hooter’s Restaurant Gift Certificates!

    Inside joke for those who know about Chipper.

    • John_CC

       Well, the Cubs have always held Chipper down pretty well, at least a Wrigley.

      Are you gonna let us in on the joke?

    • Dp Ventures

       Nice, Hooters reference.  Didn’t he supposedly knock up a hooters waitress?

      • CubsTalk

        Chipper became a young daddy about 19 years ago.  The waitress was Hot looking.  I lived in the area. 

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    That’s 27 for LaHair

  • BosephHeyden

    Maholm’s on top of his game today.  Unfortunately, so is Tim Hudson.  First run wins it.

  • CubsTalk

    Castro lost steam as he rounded third.

    • BosephHeyden

       It also doesn’t help that he didn’t start running until he got past first.  But in the end, it was Heyward’s relay and Uggla’s arm that kept that from scoring a run.  Can’t complain about the send, kinda concerned that he lost steam rounding third, and really can’t criticize the speed out of the box since it wasn’t a guaranteed hit.

    • gary3411

       Was going faster then than home to 1st.

  • CubsTalk

    During Spring Training in West Palm Beach, Chipper got a Hooter’s waitress pregnant.  Good looking girl.  Chipper didn’t want to marry her.  No doubt he was paying child support all these years.

  • CubsTalk

    Cubs presented Chipper Jones with the Braves scoreboard flag as a retirement gift.

    Watch it get listed on Ebay.

  • CubsTalk

    Sometimes players become too excited as they go into that final stretch on a inside park home run.  That final 90 steps become 900 steps in quicksand to them.  That is why EVERY player needs to hustle all the way once they leave the batters box. 

  • CubsTalk

    Poll question of the day -

    What should the Cubs do with Ryan Dempster?

    A – Trade him for prospects if he waives his “no trade” clause
    B – Sign him for two more years
    C – Let him walk after this season
    D – Move him back to the closers role

    • Texcubnut

      Ideally, trade for prospects ‘if ‘ he waves no trade clause.

    • Zonk

      E – Ask Demp what he wants to do.  If he wants to pitch for a contender this year, then A.  If he wants to remain a Cub forever, then B. (but not at $14 mil per)

      Not D.  He was an average releiver at best, and was younger then.  He’s a good starter though.

    • cubtex

      Dempster pitching well so far is the ideal and perfect scenario that the Cubs could have hoped for. His value has increased substantially from last year. I hope he will want to pitch for a contender and waive his no trade because they can get a decent prospect back for him with his bounce back year.

      Answer…… A,A,A and A

      • GaryLeeT

         It better be a good, close to ready, pitching prospect.

        • cubtex

          The Giants gave up their #1 prospect in Zack Wheeler for 2 months of Carlos Beltran last year. I doubt they would get a #1 prospect like that….but they should be able to get a top pitching prospect for Dempster who wouldn’t be too far away.

    • GaryLeeT

       Definitely not B. He’s only good every other year. The stars are aligned this year for him. He’s in his good year, and the last year of his contract. I would trade him for a close to ready prospect that is forecast to be a closer. 

      • Texcubnut

        I like that idea, Gary. It’s funny how last year’s greatest strength turns out to be this year’s biggest weakness. I’m talking about the entire bullpen, not Marmol specifically. There  will be some closers out there before the deadline.

    • gary3411

       B, IF he gives a discount.

  • Dorasaga

    AGAIN, perfect shift. Kudos to the scouts and management, and Nice job on Barney!

  • CubsTalk

    Cubs will host the White Sox here during the NATO summit.  Many diplomats are planning to be at Wrigley.  Does anyone think something will happen on the field with protesters?  Is anyone going to protest?   I lie to protest about 100 plus years without a Cubs World Series victory.

  • BosephHeyden

    Well, that was an absolutely dumb move on Maholm’s part.  He’s got to know as well as we do first run wins this game, so rather than bunt a runner into scoring positions, he swings away and hits into a double play, inning over.

    • cubtex

      He gets a sign to bunt. He wouldn’t bunt on his own unless instructed. I hoped he just missed a sign because that is another Sveum head scratcher if he wasn’t given the bunt sign.

      • BosephHeyden

         He showed bunt, and then pulled back and swung away at the last second.  He bunted through a pitch previous and showed bunt before pulling back on two balls.  So the play was a bunt, he just saw something that wasn’t there at the last second.

        • cubtex

          He should be talked to if that was the case. If he got the bunt sign…you bunt. You don’t go against a sign.

  • Dorasaga

    Middle of the lineup coming up; make Maholm proud. He’s been more than a #4 this season, and we can’t take another great pitchers’ matchup becomes another hardluck loser…

    • CubsTalk

      Cubs will score in the 7th.

      • Christian2334

        Good call! Lahair is doing a great job and maholm has been great after his 1st 2 starts!

  • CubsTalk

    Castro’s agent will look for a long term contract after this season. 

    Second Poll question of the day is:

    Should the Cubs & Theo give Starlin Castro a long term contract?

    A – Yes, sign Castro up for ten years.
    B – No, wait until 2017 when Castro becomes a free agent
    C – Trade Castro for prospects
    D – Tell Castro’s agent he is a funny guy.

    • Dorasaga

      Wait until his last arbitration year. Hoyer will go for D and tell agent he’s for C, then Epstein will come up and say B. They settle an extension of 5 years 100M.

      It’s too early to test the market for Castro right now, even for Boras.

    • GaryLeeT

      Sign Castro long term, but make sure he doesn’t have a no trade. Although, I know players get no trade rights after a certain amount of time played with the same team. The Cubs could save a ton of money by doing it now, just like teams did with Longoria, Braun, and Pujols’ first contract

    • gary3411

       B, Wait. but maybe look back to A in a couple year

      Reason being, Castro obviously has some concentration issues, and likes to party at least a bit given his rape accusation late at night. I would hate to see us lock him up and then Castro just coasts for the next 10 years. He can be so much better than he is now, and making him earn the money will only help him to keep working and achieve his potential.

      If Castro was a known character who just loves baseball, always concentrated on the game, puts it before everything else his entire life, then yes you lock someone up like that without a doubt because you know they will keep striving to get better even if it doesn’t mean they’ll ever be paid any more (at least for a while). Not saying Castro isn’t these things and people that know him personally can judge on this much better, but my feeling is he just might coast afterward.

  • CubsTalk

    LaHair for MVP

  • Dorasaga

    Opposite side single; Lahair delivers!!

  • Texcubnut

    Lahair continues to rake!

    • GaryLeeT

       I wonder what he could do with a real #5 hitter behind him?

  • BosephHeyden

    There’s our multi-thousand dollar superstar!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    LaHair with a RBI single

  • GaryLeeT

    Glad the Cubs scored first. A battle of the pens late in a tied game, makes me much less confident that they will win.

  • Dorasaga

    I like how Swammy sent Maholm out to the mound before the first pitch at the eighth, just to force Freddie to show his hand, then turn to his bullpen. Paul got a nice standing ovation, too.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Maholm with another excellent outing

  • Cloycub13

    Fasten your seatbelts folks, a lead late in the game… ahh such is the life of us Cub fans!

  • cubtex

    If the Cubs had anyone in the bullpen they can count on….no way Russell faces Uggla in the 8th. They would have a righty facing him.

    • cubtex

      But…..it worked out. thank god!

  • Dorasaga

    Good to see Dolis hurled his sinkers into the bottom half of the zone, sitting at 96 mph. We might have a real closer.

    • BosephHeyden

      A lot of those pitches looked downright unhittable.  And I think that’s the key to being an effective closer:  have that one pitch and be a master of it.  I’m not about to call Dollis a “master of the sinker”, but with it being an effective pitch when thrown normally, having someone with an above-average sinker that will only get better is someone you can start molding.  And I honestly did not see this coming from Dollis (not this soon anyways).

      • Dorasaga

        His sinker has always been effective when in command. The movement’s there; the velocity’s there. The question is how consistent can he be, day-in and night-out? Under different situations? He could get wild, but that was earlier this season. More weird thing happened. (I don’t even know who was that kid who threw the first no-no this season…)

        Not saying he’s the “perfect closer,” but he got the stuff on his pitch, as you liked it. It’s the question of how he prepares himself, and stays effective down the road.

  • cubtex

    bullpen did the job! Nice win!

  • BosephHeyden

    So the Cubs just took two of three from the Dodgers and Braves, and split series with the Phillies and Reds (and the Reds series would have been won had it not been for Marmol).  Let that sink in for a bit.

    • gary3411

       They’ve had the toughest schedule in the national league I’m sure, and it continues: Brewers-Cardinals-Phillies-White Sox. They won’t play a bad team until May 21. Havn’t looked at other schedules, but I doubt anyone else can say that.

      • BosephHeyden

         I’m not going to be afraid of the Brewers until they’re out of the Central race (or July), because that’s when Aramis usually starts hitting his homeruns.  But they do always play the Cubs hard and will be getting Volstad (ugh), so the best we can hope for is 2 of 3 from them.  And the rest of those teams…this is a bit of a proverbial Murderer’s Row for a schedule.  But the sheer fact the Cubs won the games they did win these past few games makes me hopeful they can split the next four series, if not come out with a winning record.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs beat the Braves 1-0 Wednesday afternoon

    Paul Maholm: 0R, 3H, 3BB, 3K in 7IP; Bryan LaHair: 2-for-3, RBI; David DeJesus: 1-for-3, R; Starlin Castro: 1-for-3, 3B

  • GaryLeeT

    Wow, a 1-2-3 ninth. That was so easy, I feel guilty, like the Cubs cheated.

    • cubtex

      when was the last time that happened?  :)

      • CubsTalk

         Was it Bruce Sutter back in 1978?

  • CubsTalk

    Big confidence builder for Dolis to go 1-2-3.   
    I see him our full time closer now.

    That should make Marmol peed.

  • Ty

    I was asked to pass along a message.

    There is a young player who was with the organization for a short time and was released by what most say was prematurely and for no good baseball reason.

    That player, who has a very plus 70 arm that was classic RF is still hitting everyday, and at the same time has been working as a RHP as a backup plan.

    Well, there are reports that this player is “working 92-95 with the fastball, and scouts have mentioned the secondary pitches are legit, a very solid 12-6 deuce and a sinking change, and an occasional slider for measure.

    This player has set college conference hitting records, but pro baseball and the business of it can sometimes “force” a player to dig into his bag of tools when necessary.

    I got this info from someone who had their privilege revoked, and the info is real and is public, and after calling a few scouts, is spot on.

    This free agent and what trek eventually transpires should be interesting. Will he get another shot as a hitter, or will pitching be the call.

    What is confusing to the info provider, and myself now included, is why an organization would not have the saavy to see what may end up being a solid gun off the bump.

    For measure, the banished poster scouted for D1, as I did, and he appealed to me to let some of you know that baseball players born to play will usually find a way.

    Thanks, best wishes to all baseball fans, and good luck to everyone.

    • http://twitter.com/Golfnut70Bob OttawaBob

      Roy Hobbs???

    • GaryLeeT

       I don’t understand the need to be so cryptic. Why not just name the player you are talking about?

    • Tony_Hall

      This player should have no problem being picked up by the other 29 teams, he sounds like a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.  

      What could all these teams be missing?

    • SuzyS

      Ty or Anthony or whatever your name is…the point may very well be valid…but Anthony posted and reposted the same thing over and over again…until the U.S. Department of the Redundancy Department couldn’t do better.
      Good luck to the young player…but please don’t post the same malarky over and over again.