Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Reds – 05/03/12

Game Twenty-Five: Cubs (9-15) vs. Reds (11-12)
Game Time – 11:35am CDT
Coverage – TV: Comcast SportsNet – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 184/901
Location – Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati

Ryan Dempster (0-1, 1.33/0.93) vs. Homer Bailey (1-2, 3.60/1.36)

Updated – 9:02am CDT - Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood Activated from 15-day DL - Randy Wells and Scott Maine Optioned to Triple-A Iowa

The Cubs and Reds conclude their two-game series with an early start time on Ryan Dempster’s 35th birthday. Dempster will be activated from the DL to make his first start since April 17. Ryan Dempster was off to a good start before a strained right quad landed him on the disabled list.

With Tuesday’s rainout and Wednesday’s win behind Jeff Samardzija, the Cubs are guaranteed at least a .500 trip through Philadelphia and Cincinnati … but a victory this afternoon would be a good way to top off a solid road trip. The Cubs have played better ball of late and are 6-4 in their last ten games.

Paul Maholm was scheduled to pitch today’s finale against but he has been pushed to Friday’s opener at Wrigley against the Dodgers.

Along with Ryan Dempster, the Cubs are expected to activate Kerry Wood from the DL prior to today’s game. Wood has been on the disabled list April 14 with right shoulder fatigue. The Cubs will have to create two spot on the 25-man roster for Dempster and Wood. Randy Wells and Scott Maine could be on their way back to Iowa to make room for the two vets.

In other news, Dave McKay confirmed he will be part of Tony LaRussa’s coaching staff for the NL All-Star team … but there was one condition. McKay said he would not wear red that he will wear his Cubs’ uniform.

In a battle of the birthday boys, today all starts with Ryan Dempster

Ryan Dempster has spent the last two weeks disabled with a right quad strain. The last time he was on the hill he received a no decision in Miami (April 17). Dempster allowed two earned runs on four hits in six innings with two walks and eight strikeouts.

Despite not winning a game and his team being 0-3 in his three starts, Ryan Dempster was off to a good start before spending time on the shelf. In 20 1/3 innings, Dempster has allowed five runs, three earned, on 11 hits with eight walks and 23 strikeouts.

Ryan Dempster will make the 19th career start of his career this afternoon against the Reds. Dempster is 7-8 in 42 career appearances, 18 starts, with a 3.88 ERA and a 1.51 WHIP … last year, 2-2 in five starts with a 2.81 ERA and a 1.34 WHIP. Dempster is 1-8 in 27 career games, 14 starts, at Great American with a 5.53 ERA and a 1.72 WHIP.

Reds Career Numbers against Ryan Dempster

  • Homer Bailey – 0-for-1
  • Jay Bruce – 5-for-21 with a double and six walks
  • Miguel Cairo – 1-for-14
  • Todd Frazier – 0-for-1 with two walks
  • Ryan Hanigan – 1-for-6
  • Willie Harris – 3-for-7 with a walk
  • Barry Larkin – 7-for-20 with two walks
  • Ryan Ludwick – 12-for-30 with three doubles and a home run
  • Devin Mesoraco – 0-for-2 with a walk
  • Brandon Phillips – 7-for-35 with two home runs and four walks
  • Scott Rolen – 6-for-34 with two doubles, a home run and four walks
  • Drew Stubbs – 4-for-21 with a double and a home run
  • Wilson Valdez – 1-for-3
  • Joey Votto – 6-for-27 with a double, a triple, two home runs and six walks

Homer Bailey’s only victory this season came against the Cubs on April 20. Bailey was the benefactor of a rough outing from Chris Volstad. Bailey pitched seven innings in a 9-4 Reds win and he allowed four runs, one earned, on five hits without a walk and two strikeouts. Bailey was not that sharp, just opportunistic.

Bailey is coming off a no-decision against the Giants. Bailey allowed three runs, two earned, on seven hits with two walks and six strikeouts in 6 1/3 innings. Bailey left with the lead but Sean Marshall coughed it up in the ninth … with a little help from Angel Pagan.

Today marks the eighth time Homer Bailey has faced the Cubs in his career. Bailey is 3-2 in seven starts with a 5.77 ERA and a 1.67 WHIP. If the Cubs are patient, Bailey will put runners on base but if they use the same game plan they did on April 20, the once top pitching prospect in the Reds’ system will post his second win of the season.

Cubs Career Numbers against Homer Bailey

  • Jeff Baker – 0-for-3
  • Darwin Barney – 2-for-8 with a walk
  • Starlin Castro – 3-for-10 with a home run and a walk
  • David DeJesus – 1-for-4
  • Blake DeWitt – 3-for-4 with a double
  • Reed Johnson – 0-for-1
  • Bryan LaHair – 3-for-5 with a double and a walk
  • Joe Mather – 0-for-1
  • Alfonso Soriano – 3-for-13 with a double, a home run and a walk
  • Geovany Soto – 1-for-6
  • Ian Stewart – 2-for-12

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  • BosephHeyden

    I really don’t want to be touching any Kool-Aid, but if the Cubs win today,  that puts them only 5 games under .500 and, as unimportant as it seems now, on the same level as every other team in the Central that isn’t the Cardinals.  That’s not going to mean much long-term, but it’s a good personal victory for the Cubs.

    • paulcatanese

      As I mentioned many times,.500 was great for me in the 50’s and would be super if 1. they would stay out of last place
                                         2. finish ahead of the White Sox
                                         3. win the annual crosstown game
      That was my whole year, wasn’t much to ask, but still was a
      struggle.
      They are playing decent baseball right now, and agree with you’re assessment as a personal victory for the Cubs.

    • RICK

      If Marmol didn”t blow it as usual

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Randy Wells and Scott Maine were optioned to Triple-A Iowa to make room on the active roster for Dempster and Kerry Wood. Maine called the demotion a “numbers game” while Wells took the blame and admitted he did not pitch well.

    • RICK

      I would have dumped Marmol instead.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    DeJesus – RF
    Barney – 2B
    Castro – SS
    LaHair – 1B
    Soriano – LF
    Stewart – 3B
    Johnson – CF
    Soto – C
    Dempster – P

    • Steven Petty

      Again, where is Campana?  He is a catalyst!!!!!  This is my CMON man of the week!!!

      • cubtex

        Campana had some pretty bad at bats yesterday…..maybe they just want to give him a mental day off. I think DeJesus needs one too. His average is down to .238

        • Steven Petty

          That to me is just an execuse.  How can this lineup get any momentum if they consistenly change it?  Just play through it.  I can understand if he was hitting like Pujols to give him a day off, but CMON man!! lol…

        • paulcatanese

          Partialy right, although one at bat caused him to take a couple of pitches as DeJesus swung at the second pitch he saw.
          At least Campana has the presence of thought to take a couple for the pitcher.
          But it was not a good day for Tony, and obviously he has a problem with junk pitchers
          and thats what I think Arroyo is with speeds in the 70’s and a steady diet of slow curves.
          A rest will clear his mind, but I think he will be in there somewhere today.
          I know DeJesus could use a rest.

    • gary3411

       I hate nitpicking a starting lineup, as it’s one game and there can be minor circumstances we are not aware of, but Johnson should start against lefties ONLY. And that’s not saying he should always start against lefties, just the only chance he should get. Mather or Campana all day in center vs righties.

  • Tom U

    Today’s minor league starters:

    Peoria – Jose Rosario (1-3, 6.39)
    Daytona – Matt Loosen (0-1, 7.20)
    Tennessee – Trey McNutt (0-1, 0.61)
    Iowa – Chris Rusin (2-2, 2.63)

    Today’s spotlight game: Tennessee v. Mobile
    Can Trey McNutt go more than four innings? The organization is playing things close to the vest with him. The Smokies have received an energy boost form the return of Matt Cerda. Now, Luis Flores has been activated from the suspended list. Can Junior Lake be next to come on board?

    • Zonk

      Where is Junior Lake going to go?  AA?  That would be my guess, particularly coming off injury.  

      • Tom U

        That is the indication.

  • Zonk

    Scott Maine pitched very well; tough break for him.  But it’s either him, Dolis, or Russell going down, everyone else is out of options.  I’m not sold on Dolis, but I can also see why the Cubs kept him.

    Some might say cut Camp instead, but he’s pitched OK, and cutting him is always an option later in the year. 

    • Coachdon

       Personally, I think they should let Lendy Castillo go back to Philly. He is taking up a valuable spot on the roster and not contributing. He may be good in a couple years but that is not at all guaranteed.

      • Chadaudio

        That’s my thought too.  Our bullpen is just too terrible to have yet another unreliable reliever taking up space on the 25 man. 

        I wish Castillo would have worked out, but in the end, we need Maine with the way he is pitching right now.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Castro with a solo homer

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    That’s 21 straight for LaHair

    • paulcatanese

      A Cub record? Or did he tie one?

      • Zonk

        He tied Cub record for consecutive games on base by First Baseman (w Derrek Lee, I think)

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Tied club record for first basemen, DLee, 21 in 2009

  • paulcatanese

    Got to throw this one out here. The Ray’s are taking bids on Pena’s used jersey. Still ought to be brand new, don’t think he has worked up a sweat yet.
    Not too late, get you’re bids out there:)

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    LaHair with #7 to left

    • Bryan

      Nice to see the young man having success! 

      • Baron_S

        Wow!! this is pretty special

        LaHair has a friggin 1.300 OPS!!

  • daverj

    LaHair’s going to be our leftfielder.  I can’t see us getting anything in a trade that I’d prefer over his power bat in left.  He can’t be worse than Soriano on defense.

  • Steven Petty

    trade SOTO now!!!!!!  He has some value!!! lol…….  RING RING.. Yes, Tampa Bay.. We have a catcher for you!!!!!   Will you please take him off of our hands!!

    • John_CC

      Come on, can we have one day without the drop/trade Soto stuff?  They don’t even have another catcher behind Castillo at the moment.  I understand that patience for Soto is thin, but he hit ball hard yesterday, his BABIP sucks and he should break out of the bad luck funk enough to warrant a trade…after Clevenger is back.

  • EqDoc

    These last few games, the Cubs have played better than anytime last year! 

    • Tedtop16

      We have been getting some very nice starting pitching the last couple of days. Three decent starters.

    • EqDoc

      I’m retracting my statement after that ninth inning. 

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Dempster with an excellent outing 

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Speechless …

    • Texcubnut

      Ditto, Neil!!

    • BosephHeyden

       Stewart may have made a bad play, but it’s up to Marmol to get those four guys that he didn’t get out, well, out.  Even with Kerwin gifting a strike or two, Marmol couldn’t throw a strike to save his life.

      At least Sveum isn’t going to let Marmol blow this completely.

      • BosephHeyden

         And, unfortunately, Carlos Marmol just completely ruins a great Ryan Dempster outing, as well as likely his birthday.  Good job by Dolis to get two outs, problem is that the game is tied, we’re not the home team, and Dempster isn’t going to get a win.

        At the same time, this loss being on the shoulders of one guy doesn’t make me think the Cubs don’t deserve to win this.

    • craig y

      Why do they stick with marmol day in and day out. Dempster pitched his heart out today

    • MikeT_2008

      Neil this has to be it right, I mean Svuem has given him his chances and he just can’t finish it out. Marmol has to be out of the closers role right?

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        I would think so. Can’t keep sending him out

  • Will

    no way?  marmol blowing another one?  who saw that coming.. 

  • muddpie

    marmol is a piece of garbage. cub fan since 1956, same crap!

  • Texcubnut

    Unbelievable! They keep running Marmol out there… Stewart’s error and Sveum’s not getting Marmol out of there before damage is too far along is so ‘Quade-esque.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Excellent job by Dolis

    • MikeT_2008

      he’s got to be the new closer going forward right, he may not be perfect but up 3 at least throw strikes and make them earn it

      • Zonk

        I am on record as not liking Dolis.  I hope he makes me eat my words, but he walks way too many guys, and pitches to contact despite throwing 95 mph.  I don’t think he is a ML pitcher; he’s a slightly harder throwing Justin Berg.

        Hope I’m wrong, or I hope Dolis learns a changeup or 2-seamer

        • gary3411

           He throws a 2-seamer. That’s what a sinker is. His stuff is phenomenal, he is a major league pitcher if he doesn’t walk a ridiculous amount, no doubt. Not many guys in major league baseball have that much sink on their fastball at 96mph.

          yes, it’s going to get hit, all sinkers do, but it won’t get hit hard.

        • MikeT_2008

          I guess I’m more thinking that since the team won’t do much this season then see if he can, I know what you’re saying Dolis isn’t a sure thing either, but young arm and bad team so may as well see what he can do.

          All I want is Marmol to just be out of the closer role, that’s a win for me

        • Chadaudio

          Agreed. Dolis walks way toom many guys to be a good reliever at this point (definitely not a closer).

  • Zonk

    Ryan Dempster:  0.95 ERA, 0-1 in 4 Starts.  This is why W-L doesn’t matter for pitchers, because he should be 3-1 at least.  I feel bad for him.

    What to do with Marmol?  He was pretty sharp yesterday, but you never know what you will get.  He is clearly struggling with mechanics.  We owe him for this year and $9 mil next year, so I think he’ll stay on the roster in hopes he can sort it out.  But he can’t be closing right now.

    Who is our closer though if not Marmol?  Wood, I guess? 

    • BosephHeyden

       Closer by committee.  Right now, the best reliever we have is James Russell, and he needs to be transitioned from a lefty specialist to any specific role first.  Dolis is good, but he’s a setup guy.  He gets groundball outs, which is good if you know you have another inning to make up for any runs he gives up, but that’s it.  Wood is far too unpredictable, and Lendy Castillo isn’t nearly close enough to be given a specific role in the pen.

      One thing is certain:  Marmol shouldn’t be closing anymore.

    • MikeT_2008

      I think Marmol has, or at least he had, the stuff and mentality for the 8th inning, where I always thought he was best. He’s just not suited (mentally) for outs 25, 26, & 27. If it was me I would move him back to the 7th or 8th and see if he can’t get back in a groove and if he does then ship him to whoever will take him (eat the $$$) in July in a Big Z or Byrd type move, not likely to happen but it only takes one team to fall in love with his stuff if he’s showing some of what he was a few years back, thinking they could change him and get him right. A pipedream yes, but in a perfect world that’s what I would like to see.

      As for closer I would go with Dolis, I mean a young guy who’s got the stuff but we should see if he can handle the spot

  • CubsTalk

    Is Carlos Marmol related in anyway to Mel Rojas?

    • paulcatanese

      One thing for sure, he is not related to Pappilbon.

  • gary3411

    Forget the closer role, Marmol needs to be out of pitching in close games until he runs out at least 3-4 good outings in a row in mop up duty. Then, maybe put start working him in in 6th/7th innings and go from there.

    This contract is officially another one we can’t wait to have off the books. IMO he’s no longer a major league pitcher unless drastic changes take place mechanically or his slider gets fixed and starts biting again, neither likely any time soon.

    • brent carmona

      I agree. I don’t care if its one month into the season, marmol has not been his DOMINANT self since 2010 and he is just pathetic out there.

      His slider makes me want to vomit. He got real .lucky in that 1-2-3- inning yesterday, bc every slider was garbage and he received borderline strike calls with them.

      Velocity is up on fastball from last year, that’s only thing that’s positive. But 3 walks 2 hits w a 3 run lead? Get him out of closers role immediately. We all have had enough and I bet Sveum knows it especially

  • CubsTalk

     Put this loss on Marmol.

  • CubsTalk

    I hope Theo get rid of all these Jim Henry guys.

    This should have been a Cubs win.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs lost 4-3 to Reds Thursday afternoon

    Carlos Marmol blew it again but Rafael Dolis was hung with the blown save

    Ryan Dempster:  0R, 3H, BB, 6K in 8IP; Starlin Castro: 1-for-4, HR; LaHair: 2-for-5, HR; Ian Stewart: 2-for-4, 2B; Geovany Soto: 1-for-4,HR

    • Zonk

      You come in with a 1-run lead, bases loaded, nobody out, and you get hung with a Blown Save?  Tough scoring. 

      That’s 12 BBs by Marmol in less than 9 innings.  Unacceptable, and he probably lost the closer’s job today until he shows he can throw strikes.  Which he never could really; it was fine when he threw a completely unhittable slider, but without that, not sure what he is.

      • gary3411

        minor leaguer…after next year.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Yep. That’s one of many issues I have with the scoring system. No one will remember this blown save was Marmol’s when the season is over, or even two months from now, it will look like he did not do his job.

  • paulcatanese

    Are the Cubs just “Brain Dead” when it comes to Marmol? What has to happen before they realize he is done,thru, finished, period.
    He(Marmol) is now doing to Dempster what he did to Garza last year.
    Just plain disgusting.

    • gary3411

      I think this is the last straw. Kaplan and the other guy on his postgame show are tearing Marmol and Sveum apart right now

      • MikeT_2008

        It has to be, Sunday would’ve been but luckly that was a 5 run lead

    • cubs1967

      9.8M reasons to get him figured out; but this is where i begin the sean marshall rant again OR not………..but you really gotta ask team theo what the point of that trade was?…..29 yr old lefty groomed and developed by the cubs….and here’s your results.  marmol has issued. but these losses on on team theo for leaving the ‘pen in a mess.

      • cubtex

        Not only Marshall but you deal Cashner and get zero bullpen arms back in either deal.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    The recap will post later tonight.

    • Bryan

      A beautiful day turned crappy!

    • Zonk

      ….after a few drinks

  • Michael

    Marmol is untouchable right now, from a trade standpoint. Problem not only lies with him but our bullpen. We don’t have anyone reliable. Wood and Marmol are not trustworthy, Castillo is not fit for MLB and we just sent Maine down.

    Marmol is still owed a bazillion dollars, so his contract is crushing us plus he can’t throw a strike. I would not want to be the Cubs front office right now trying to figure out what to do with him.

    I think Dempster will ask for a trade by the deadline, his ERA is under one and he doesn’t have a win. He looked great today and is healthy.

    Looks to be a long tough season for Dale.

    • CubsTalk

      I doubt if Dempster gets traded.  His next contract will be around $3 million from the Cubs.  Dempster wants to stay in Chicago.

      I would trade Dempster if I can get at least two top notch prospects.  He is one who can help any playoff team.

      • gary3411

         I’ll take one decent prospect

  • Rocubs1

    Dale svuem should be FIRED! It doesnt take three freeken batters to realize your pitcher dont have it!! If I was Dempster id be lived

    • Zonk

      In Sveum’s defense, he may have felt he needed to really see if Marmol could buckle down and get the job done.  He needs to know if Marmol is going to step-up.  Nut-up or Shut-up.

      It’s “Shut-Up” obviously, I highly doubt Sveum will trust Marmol anytime in the near future like that.  Not if he doesn’t want pitchforks and torches.

      • paulcatanese

        I think he saw what he needed to see after the first six pitches. The answer was obvious even to me. First time I have been really disappointed with Sveum.

        • Ripsnorter1

          It was not a surprise, but it was a disappointment that the Cubs shipped Maine out today. They love Camp. They are bent on keeping Castillo. So he lost on the numbers game. But his stuff is nasty. If only he had more control of it.  But of course, Marmol doesn’t have even that much control.

          I still say they would be better off using a committee of Dolis and Maine. Can’t be worse than Marmol, can it?

    • cubtex

      I am very un-impressed with Sveum as a field general…but this early in the year you want to try and get your closer going. I understand the frustration but that is baseball. Look at the Marlins……Heath Bell has been worse than Marmol. I don’t blame Sveum for this loss. Your closer needs to close. Now…..moving forward I would hope he makes a change but I am not crazy about the options they have. Where’s Andrew Cashner or Sean Marshall? I have stated this many times about a bad bullpen…..nothing deflates a team more than a bad bullpen!

      • Chadaudio

        Unlike you, I feel Sveum’s management has been fine.  But, I totally agree with you on why Sveum left Marmol in.
        I also totally agree with you about a team with a bad bullpen… it is so hard following a team with a bad bullpen.  In fact, the only thing worse then watching a bad defense team is a bad bullpen. 

        • cubtex

          You take Shark, Marshall and Cashner out of the bullpen and you don’t add any quality veteran arms….what do you expect? Now who closes? I love Rizzo’s potential but if you trade Cashner and Marshall….they needed to bring in someone to counter the huge hole left.

          • Ripsnorter1

            They did. They brought back Kerry Wood. They signed Shawn Camp. They also “added depth” with Corpas and Sonnastine. 

          • Chadaudio

            We all saw this roster hole since the season began… Nothing to do but see how it plays out.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Please say something positive about Marmol.

        “There has been a role change for Mr. Marmol. He is now our 8th inning setup man. During his career he has been most effective in the set-up role.”

        I think that is putting a positive spin on things. I would think that Sveum, if he has permission from the GM, will make this move effective tomorrow.

        • cubtex

          Haha. I wish I could say he looks good in his uniform but he looks fat and out of shape to me:)

    • Ripsnorter1

      You would be “livid.” 

  • CubsTalk

    Marmol days as a closer is done. 
    Time to move on. 
    Marmol has no trade value at all. 
    Zero. 
    Marmol has his money, so the only way to strip him of his pride is to put him in as a long reliever in games where the Cubs are far behind.  Let his ERA rack up if he has to re-learn his control. 
    Maybe Marmol can take control of his baseball future and prove to the Cubs he can be a closer again once he throws shut out innings.
    The Cubs are losing too many games due to Marmol.
    The Cubs starters are great, except Volstad.

    No more Marmol.  Let Carlos sit and get moody if he wants to.  He is not helping this team.

    • Rocubs1

      I agree with you. But the managers a problem he took too long to pull him. he gets paid to manage & managed the situation like a lil league coach!!

      • http://twitter.com/Golfnut70Bob OttawaBob

        Remember though, even when Marmol was nasty, his M.O.  was always ….walk the bags loaded, then strike out the side..

  • Bryan

    Nothing worse than a mid-afternoon moody fan base.  Quite the loss!

    • CubsTalk

      I am use to games like this.
      It did not surprise me to see what happen.
      Theo & Company needs to break this atmosphere where it is okay to lose games like this.
      Marmol needs to sit. 
      If possible, dump his contract.  But who will take him now?
      Maybe Ozzie can take on another Head Case also named Carlos?

      If I was Dempster, I would not say a word to anyone on the flight back.  Not look at anyone.

      I would take a baseball and smash Marmols’s car windows.

  • MikeT_2008

    I took at short little break from a 3,000 word Russian history paper due tonight at 11, to watch the last three outs of a Cubs win, a little moral boost to help me grind out the paper….now I’m both bummed and mad. Mad at myself for wasting the time and bummed because Marmol blows it and now I got 2,500 words to go and all it did was kill my moral.

    My advice to any younger person than me on this site, while in Finals week of college stay as far away from anything Cubs that you can. 

    • CubsTalk

      Russian History,
      Is this the Czar Era?
      Lenin Era?
      Stalin Era?
      Cold War Era?
      End of Communist Era?
      or the Putin Era?

      I have 5,000 words about any of these eras.

      But I have little to say when I have a beautiful Russian women with me at night. 

      • MikeT_2008

        World War II to the present, but we have to answer a question in an essay about the period, not as hard as it is boring, you know kinda like the Cubs sometimes haha

        • paulcatanese

          Interesting period. Spent some time in Frankfurt Germany. The off season (baseball)
          was with the Military Police, some stories regarding the Russian influence in 1954-1956 era.

  • Rocubs1

    Enough on Marmol we know hes an issue, im tired of seen dale manage like a lil leaguer

  • Coachdon

    Has a starting pitcher ever made the All Star team without a win??? It looks like Dempster is an All Star quality starter this year, but with this bullpen he may not win a game…

  • cubtex

    I still think the best option to replace Marmol was the guy they sent down to the minors today. He has hit and miss stuff where the other candidates don’t.

    • MikeT_2008

      Randy Wells??? Kidding, only kidding

      • cubtex

        of course…who did you think I was talking about :)

  • Redlarczykg

    When I say this is the “Old Cub Way” , it’s because of the same Baseball Politics of “I have faith in so and so” continues despite the reality all fans can see.  Why do these illogical thoughts guide any manager?   When you know Marmol has control problems and can easily see he needs to be pulled, Sevum has proved to not be a MJ manager.  I have no faith in him!  I’m not looking for a cheerleader as manager.  This crazy approach has been used by a number of losing Cub managers. 

    That’s why this is “The Old Cub Way”!  

  • RynoTiger

    the other reason for the lost is failure to get on base and maximize extra base hits.

    3 homeruns today…that’s great…but they were all solo HRs.

    10 hits today..that’s great..but only 3 runs (so only 3 of those hits were productive)

  • John_CC

     Pathetic.

    I am really curious to see what comes next. The bullpen is a mess, there is no heir apparent, and Marmol is clearly not fit for duty.  One of the last Hendry hold-overs dragging this team down. 

    I am not an “I told you so” person, but many of us saw this day coming when Hendry gave him the 3/$20M extension after 2010. He has always been a wild man one pitch away from losing it or blowing his elbow.  And of course the 3 contract is what I’ve come to expect as the “classic Hendry” contract: year 1 – $2.5M (when he was on top of his game), year 2 (current earnings) – $7M, and 2013  (when he’s certain to the best, right?) – $9.8M!

    The Cubs played a good baseball game for 8 innings today…to bad it wasn’t enough.

    • Dorasaga

       The extension was a fair deal. That’s what most closers were paid. Dutifully, Marmol received what he deserved. The problem was the system. He was better ’07-’09, before his mechanics turned broke, and couldn’t throw strikes MOST of the time as he used to. The Cubs should have a young arm ready to take over, but didn’t. Left Marmol with the club too long, now a tough bait to trade… But again, other GMs might have this similar problem. We might see a trade.

      • Zonk

        Find another reliever somewhere with a big contract who is struggling; that club is probably a trade target for a “change of scenery” type deal. 

         Someone probably thinks they can solve Marmol’s mechanical problem, they just won’t bet $15 mil on it.  We need to eat something to make it happen.

        • John_CC

           There certainly are plenty of teams to chose from in that category.

    • Zonk

      Hindsight is 20/20, at the time he was a lights-out closer, and that’s what lights-out closers were getting paid.

      I do agree that the extreme backloading was ridiculous; maybe Hendry was under orders to do that, but all the recent contracts are like that.  Bad!

      This is also a cautionary tale about spending for relief pitchers in general.  I personally think you are much better off spending $$$$ on starters and position players.  Releivers are so up and down, you’re better off with one-year deals and other ways to cobble together pitchers.  Because they can be good one day, and useless the next.

      • cubtex

        Who doesn’t backload deals? Every team does it. Look at Carl Crawfords deal. He is making 19,500 this year and it gradually increases and caps out at 21 mil for 2017. To say that Hendry is the only one backloading deals like he prefers to do it this way is ridiculous. It is to satisfy the owners budgets from year to year.

      • John_CC

         Zonk and Dorasaga: I am not upset at Marmol for getting the contract that he earned up to that point, he really did earn it.  I just wish he had been traded in 2010 when his value was maxed out and the Cubs were clearly a team on the way towards re-building. You can’t build around a closer … well you can but it doesn’t make sense.  Marmot would have returned a pretty haul back in 2010.   That’s all.

        And I am not preaching from the 20/20 hindsight pulpit, I was begging (into the ether) for Marmol to be traded all of 2010.

        • Dorasaga

           >>You can’t build around a closer … well you can but it doesn’t make sense.

          Haha. Now, I think this should be the second skit for a Cubbie comedian. The first was on Koyie Hill.

  • Dorasaga

    On the bright side, Mather came in to pinch hit over Dempster and had a good at-bat: worked the counts, made solid contact, then doubled off Marshall. He needs playing time. What’s Sveum waiting for?

    • Chadaudio

      Yeah, I’ve been asking the same thing… I like Reed Johnson, but let’s give Mather some playing time man.

  • paulcatanese

    The error on that ground ball to Stewart, have to mention that on the particular type of grounder, infielders would call it a “hit or miss”play. Very difficult to judge the last bounce.
    Not excusing Stewart as he is a Major League infielder but still a tough play.
    The old saying “thats the way the ball bounces” applies. Too bad it was a turning point.
    Marmol on the other hand has no excuse at all, none.

  • Kojak Osborne Jr.

    Breaking news is Mariano Rivera injured his knee during batting practice , let call the yanks to see if they want Marmol

    • BosephHeyden

      Just get the hype machine going about how Marmol’s best years were with Larry Rothschild and you can convince them to at least take him if we eat 85% of the contract.

  • RynoTiger

    the quote from Marmol tweeted out by Patrick Mooney sure doesn’t communicate any drive, determination, or desire.  makes it sound as if Marmol could care less if he’s removed as closer.  maybe he doesn’t really want the ball with the game on the line anymore. as a closer I would think having that type of mentality of wanting the ball would be important. no bueno.

  • RICK

    How long will Theo and company wait before they dump Marmol? How many games has he lost and how many saves has he blown. It”s real sad when Garza and Dempster pitch great games only for Marbol to blow it. This guy has to go now.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Sveum says Marmol might be out. Either Russell or Dolis to close.[Editor's Note: he has to ask Team Theo first for permission]. [Editor's 2nd note: WHY NOT MAINE AND DOLIS?] Here’s the article:

    CINCINNATI — Manager Dale Sveum has given Carlos Marmol as much rope as possible, and it seems that the Chicago Cubs closer gets more and more entangled in it.

    Or is that the former Cubs closer?

    Sveum finally mentioned changes at the back end of the bullpen after Marmol melted down again, failing to preserve a three-run ninth-inning lead against the Cincinnati Reds. The Cubs lost 4-3 in 10 innings.

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    “There’s definitely the thought of (a change) now,” Sveum said. “I can’t lie to you.”

    Sveum said that left-hander James Russell and right-hander Rafael Dolis are his main options to close, but didn’t clarify if he means they would share the role or he favors one over the other.

    The coaching staff has been telling Marmol repeatedly to throw strikes with his fastball. The fact that he continues to miss the plate with his slider is what has made things the most troubling.
    “It’s the same story again,” Sveum said. “Throwing 3-0 sliders when you have three-run leads is just not acceptable. Nothing else can happen except a two-run homer and nobody is on base. Somehow we have to make adjustments there to throw fastball in these situations.”

    Marmol said afterward that he would prefer to remain in his job, but knows the manager makes the final choice.

    “You lose a game like that, I’m embarrassed right now,” Marmol said.

    The irony is that Marmol is avoiding the strike zone because he doesn’t want to get hit hard and embarrass himself. It’s happening anyway by putting on baserunners via walks, which forces him to pitch to the contact he has shied away from.

    “I have to throw strikes, and I wasn’t able to throw strikes today,” Marmol said. “I can’t find the strike zone. That’s all. It was me. I don’t make any excuses.”

    In five save chances this season, Marmol has converted only twice. He got the save Wednesday night with a perfect inning, but he went to a full count on the first batter, while the second batter flew out to the base of the left-field wall.

    “I’m frustrated, of course,” said Marmol, who blew 10 save chances last season. “When you don’t throw strikes you have to be frustrated. He’s the manager. He can do whatever he wants to do. I agree with that. Like I said, I will take the ball whenever he asks me to take the ball.”

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Who is the editor?

  • Chadaudio

    Funny.  The message board didn’t have nearly as many posts yesterday when we won. :)