From the Wire … Chris Carpenter and a PTBNL Sent to Boston as Compensation for Theo Epstein and a PTBNL

According to multiple reports, the Cubs have sent right-handed pitcher Chris Carpenter and a player to be named later to the Boston Red Sox as compensation for Theo Epstein. The Cubs will also receive a player to be named later in the deal.

According to reports from the Tribune and Carrie Muskat, the players to be named later will be done by April 15 … and the compensation for Jed Hoyer and Jason McLeod will be announced soon. Not expected to be any player off the 40-man roster.

According to multiple reports, the Cubs and Red Sox resolved the compensation issue. Bud Selig was not involved.

The Red Sox did not receive any cash from the Cubs in the deal and the players to be named later are not thought to be significant but more of a formality.

With Chris Carpenter going to Boston for Theo Epstein, the Cubs’ 40-man roster currently stands at 39 … and creates a spot for Gerardo Concepcion.

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  • Aaron

    PTBNL?!?!? What?!?!? Isn’t Carpenter enough?

    What the PTBNL infers is that the other individual going to Boston is most likely from the 2011 draft, because they can’t be traded yet. There’s no other explanation. If they’re announcing Carpenter now, then why wait for the PTBNL? Does that make sense? What I’m trying to get at is that the other player most surely would’ve been announced at the same time…unless he was involved in last year’s draft

    • Anthony

      I initially agreed, but latest is PTBNL swap by 4/15, so that should eliminate 2011 draftees

    • Neil

       The players to be named later will be done by
      April 15 … and the compensation for Jed Hoyer and Jason McLeod will be
      announced soon. Not expected to be any player off the 40-man roster

    • JimBo_C

      Maybe the PTBNL is Marwin Gonzales. Allowing Boston to send him to the minors instead of returning him after he doesnt make the roster.

      • Neil

         Gonzalez was traded to Astros shortly after Boston selected in Rule 5

        • JimBo_C

          Thanks for the info; I missed that transaction.

          • Neil

            You’re welcome …

          • Texcubnut

            Kiss Gonzales goodbye. He will make the Astros 25 man roster, period.

          • Tom U

            I certainly hope he does, but with the acquisition Jed Lowrie, along with Jose Altuve and Jimmy Paredes, it’s not a sure thing.

          • Tony_Hall

            He has to do more than make the roster, he has to stay there all year.

    • Ripsnorter1


      THEO AIN’T WORTH NUTHIN’!The Cubs are addicted to incompetence. All they had to do is wait a year at the most, and they get Theo for free. He would probably have been outright released if the Cubs had just sat on their hands for a month or six weeks. But no, let’s send them our best pitching prospect and TWO players to be named later.

      • bpot92

        Our best pitching prospect is technically Mcnutt by almost every single list. And we send one PTNL and receive one, not send two.

      • Neil

        The Cubs are not sending 2 players, just one. The Cubs are receiving a PTBNL in the deal.

  • Neil

    The players to be named later will be done by
    April 15 … and the compensation for Jed Hoyer and Jason McLeod will be
    announced soon. Not expected to be any player off the 40-man roster

  • Neil

    The Cubs and Red Sox resolved the compensation issue. Bud
    Selig was not involved. The Red Sox did not receive any cash from the Cubs in
    the deal and the players to be named later are not thought to be significant
    but more of a formality.

  • Brian

    I know this has been said before, but compensation for a promotion makes no sense and sets a bad precedent.  

    However, I still think Theo is FAR MORE important and integral in the grand scheme than Chris Carpenter will ever be.  Not even close.

  • Neil

    The Cubs’ 40-man
    roster currently stands at 39 … and creates a spot for Gerardo Concepcion.

  • daverj

    Carpenter seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.  Most Cub fans will think the Cubs gave up too much while most Red Sox fans will say the compensation was not enough.

    In my business, when both parties reach an agreement and both leave the negotiation a little disappointed, we say it was probably a fair deal.

    • cubtex


  • Neil

    Red Sox fans are upset and Jim Duquette (XM) is shocked the Cubs did not give up more

  • WidespreadHisPanic

    What if Carpenter is the losing pitcher for the Red Sox against the Cubs in the World Series clincher?

    Best of luck to Chris Carpenter I hope that guy is lights out for Boston.

    Long live baseball.

    Let’s get down to business now.

    Go Cubs!!!

    • Ripsnorter1

      No worries here. The Cubs ain’t going to the World Series in our lifetimes. 

  • Nathan

    When it was said that the Cubs would be giving up a pitcher off the 40-man roster for Theo, MLB Trade Rumors made up a list of four candidates that could possibly be included: Dolis, Carpenter, Beliveau,
    and Weathers. When seeing that list, only two made sense to me. The BoSox would not want Weathers and the Cubs would certainly not give up Beliveau. That leaves two: Though I would have liked to not give up either Dolis and Carpenter I am finally glad the huge deal about Who is over. 

  • Redlarczykg

    Theo.  I hope to see this year that you are worth losing Chris Carpenter.  So far, I’m not sold on what you and Hoyer are doing.
    Mostly broken down rejects added to a weak Cub roster.

  • Coachdon

    Any compensation in this deal is unwarranted. The guy was promoted to a higher level position. Does this mean that if a team hires a pitching coach to be their new manager that they have to give up compensation?

    • Shane Heathers

      No, that is unless the team offering the promotion agrees to send “significant compensation” the other way so the pitching coach can be free to dishonor his current contract to move on. The Cubs wanted Theo and they agreed to give the Sox something for the right to get him in town.

    • cubs1967

      blame it on Ricketts and Kenney…..they were talking to the red sox; not knowing what to do and get themselves in a mess.
      theo got promoted; the red sox let him talk to the cubs and theo said he would of left after the last on contract anyway; just another reason why other than hiring theo; ricketts has done most everything wrong!

    • Tony_Hall

      Yes, if they are under contract and his current team says they want compensation, to let him out of the contract.

  • Shane Heathers

    If I were a Cub Fan I would be worried. The Red Sox won 2 world series almost in spite of some of Theo’s moves. Lots of Gm’s would look good with the Red Sox payroll. Early on Theo made some good moves such as Ortiz, Millar, Schilling, letting Pedro walk etc. He was out of power and was against the Beckett,Lowell/Ramirez,Sanchez trade which really helped the Sox win in 2007 as Becket was ALCS MVP and Lowell was WS MVP. The trade for Gonzalez was good but besides that so many dumb moves. Renteria, Lugo, Crawford, Lackey, Clement, Drew, trading Masterson for 1 year of  VMART etc. etc.. He was a part of building a strong farm system but much of that can be attributed to the Sox excellent scouting team and not Theo. You guys can have him and expect a bunch of Soriano like deals cause that is just what he does; cash for trash!

    • cubtex

      Be careful Shane….there are alot of Theo worshipers on here:)

      • Tony_Hall

        Imagine the concept, Theo “worshipers” on a Cubs site for the Cubs Faithful.

  • Jay from Sandwich

    Team Theo is not wearth Carpentor. The reason I say this is because so fair this of season he has traded better prospects then we we have recieved in return. The only possible exception is the Rizzo deal was propable a fair trade but Sandeago got a slit btter end of it over the Cubs. the Colorado dea;l was the wesrt deal in the off season and do not be surprised if the marshall deal blows up in Team Theo fan.

    • daverj

      The worst trade of the offseason was a guy with a horrible contact rate (Colvin) and a kid with a nice batting eye but no power or speed (LeMahieu) for a former top 10 prospect with a poor contract rate (Stewart) and a throw in (Weathers)?

      I like the Cubs side of the deal a bit better and I can see how someone would prefer the Rockies side too, but to call a deal with 4 players who most likely will never amount to above-average major league “the worst deal in the off seasons” is a bit extreme.  The most likely scenario is that all 4 of them will not make it in the majors long term.

      • Jay from Sandwich

        LeMahieu sounds just like another ex-cub who had low power numbers and a good batting eye. Thats right Mark Grace. He must not have been wroth anything either as a Major Leaguer. Now I understand why you arre not in scouting.

    • cubtex

      You know I am not a huge Theo fan……but I am OK with Carpenter as compensation. He is a decent prospect….but is not a BJax,McNutt,Sczur or Vitters.

      • cc002600

         You’re “ok” with it ?  Pfew, thank goodness.
        I feel 1000 times better that we have your approval on the trade.


        Jeez, get over yourself !!

        • cubtex

          Why don’t you get a life instead of making your idiotic comments all the time!

          • Neil

            Please end this conversation. Thanks.

    • Tony_Hall

      Really, he is not a worth a bullpen arm?

      He is completely changing how the Cubs do business and bringing the Cubs into the technology era and leaving behind the antiquated front office we have had. Not to mention the instant credibility he has brought to the franchise.

      I don’t agree that they needed to give compensation for a promotion, but a reliever, is a small price to pay.

  • Texcubnut

    It has become abundantly clear to me that Theo and Jed consider relief pitching as the least of all concerns. They have dealt with club problems from our only position of strength and depth…..our relief corp. I know some consider Andrew Cashman to be a starter but I believe his sucess and longevity will be contingent on becoming a bullpen stalwart. Sean Marshall was the BEST lefty set-up man in the game and Chris Carpenter has the potential to be a top notch closer with 100mph arm. (control is the question.)  Our bullpen has taken some huge hits this off-season. In the long run, will this all pay off for the Cubs? I don’t know. I do know that if I were Marmol, Wood, Russell, Beliveau, Dolis, Samardzija, etc.  I would keep a couple of bags packed and ready.  And,yet, we continue to hold on to a couple of worthless ‘Caseys’ (Coleman & Weathers!!)

    • Vivid_Reality

      Lets be honest, we have alot of bullpen depth in the minors. Russell might be able to fill in Marshall’s shoes this year. He looked mighty good when we left him alone in the pen. If we have to turn over the entire pen this year to make the playoffs in two, I absolutely do it. Pen’s are probably the easiest thing to build quickly.

      • cubtex

        Russell isn’t close to being in Marshall’s league.

        • Neil

          Russell has shown promise when he is used right … 1-1 in 59 games, 49 1/3 innings, with a 2.19 ERA and a 1.07 WHIP (33 strikeouts and 9 walks) as a reliever is pretty good.

          • cubtex

            I have seen quite a bit of Russell dating all the way back to his Longhorn days. Marshall is effective against both righties and lefties. Russell doesn’t have an effective pitch to get righties out on a consistent basis. He is a situational lefty. Marshall could handle the 8th inning no matter who is hitting.

          • Tony_Hall

            Actually sounds like Marshall when he was a starter.  

            He was very effective out of the bullpen last year, as Neil pointed out.

        • Tony_Hall

          You do realize Marshall wasn’t close to being as good as present day Marshall, when he had failed as a starter and was being tried in the pen.  

          • cubtex

            Watch. If they try and make Russell more than a situational lefty…..he will get lit up!

  • John_CC

    I just got to watch Rizzo, Jackson and Vitters taking BP.  Impressive!  Lots of really solid contact and some bombs.  LaHair was hammering the ball on the other diamond.  I didn’t see Stewart, but no one was wearing numbers.

    At infield practice Vitters and Scales were at 3B, Rizzo and LaHair at 1B and Barney was the lone SS. I couldn’t tell who the two at 2B were. 

    • Neil

      John, thank you for the info.

  • notcubbiewubbie

    don’t believe a word of it never i repeat never  trust a car salesman.


    They probably just cancel out each PTBNL.

    • Neil

      Exactly …

    • Anthony

      maybe they shouldn’t waste the time of kids drafting them with no intention of them ever being viable

      keep signing foreign kids to plug roster spots and let the college kids graduate and move on, make bucks, get back to normal, and save a few of these IFA’s for the sake of “we are the world”


      Imagine working your baseball aaasss off, and be labeled by you, the general public as a filler, an organizational player, and in retrospect, several solid years of viable earnings?

      what motivates that thought from fans

      a stinking trophy, curse relief

      Big screen TV in mommas basement makes all the world right

      get to know some of these kids and their goals and dreams instead of a name on a piece of paper


      • gary3411

         Who is it that makes a college graduate pursue at minor league life?

        I didn’t really understand the jist of this post, if it is blaming baseball execs for making college players join the minor leagues that’s ridiculous lol, a 22 year old with a college education should be smart enough to realize his chance is slim.

        Like I said maybe I missed the point you were trying to make that’s just all I really took from it.

        • Anthony

          why are they slim?

          because he couldn’t be bot out as a high school senior?

          not maybe, but yes, you missed the point, the entire post, and the tail

          why bother drafting college kids if they are already too old to be viable?

          • gary3411

            I wasn’t talking about anyone specifically, I thought you were saying they are slim so why are they drafting them. I’m not saying anyone is slim vs anyone else, it all depends on the individual.

            I’m not sure who said they are too old to be viable, I’m not saying that, plenty of college players make the major leagues, I’m still lost.

  • cubs1967

    here’s hoping theo and rizzo are worth it; we just lost 2 potential closers in cashner trade and now carpenter.
    if smardz starts, and good for him, what RH pitcher is gonna help out wood and marmol in the pen with CC gone now?………if Russell and 1 other LH releiver don’t come thru………could be a really bad pen.

    • cubtex

      Not short term….but Tony Zych should move pretty quickly.

  • Tom U

    Aside from the argument over the necessity of compensation, I consider this fair.

    Despite the fact that he can throw 100 MPH, Carpenter will be 27 at year’s end and has yet to prove he can consistently get major league batters out.With Carlos Marmol signed through 2013, the chances that  Carpenter would have gotten a shot to close before then would have been slim.

    As Texcubnut said, the strength of the system’s pitching is in the bullpen. Iowa relievers Marco Carrillo, Kyle Smit, and Blake Parker all performed well in the winter leagues. Tennessee had an extremely solid bullpen with Rafael Dolis, Jeff Beliveau, Kevin Rhoderick, Marcus Hatley, and Oswaldo Martinez. 

    There are also some strong “closer-type” pitchers in Frank Batista, Dan Berlind, and Bryce Shafer. And don’t overlook hard throws such as Kyler Burke, Charles Thomas, Joe Zeller, and draftees Michael Jensen and Tony Zych.

    • Neil

      Excellent post Tom, thank you. Beat me to it.

      • Tom U

        Thanks Neil!

    • Tony_Hall

      Anytime you give up a player from the system and it is from a position of depth, that is good for the team.  Great perspective.

      I agree, on the argument for necessity of compensation, but glad it is finally over and we can move on.

    • Anthony

      Cinci paid a Kings ransom for some freak busting 100 mph

    • Aaron


      I appreciate the report as usual, but I must correct you on a few things, so I hope you don’t take it the wrong way…just wanted to clarify your comments above…

      Berlind-throws high 80’s and low 90’s tops. Scouts couldn’t figure out why he never added velocity, because he has a large frame to do so. In fact, prior to the draft in 2006, he was throwing 87 mph tops. He is an awful pitcher, which is why he was cut by the Twins and banished to Indy ball before the Cubs rescued him out of NEED….not because he was good

      Shafer-low 90’s fastball…not a closer type, but he did have good stats last year

      Batista-tops out at 94 mph…had good stats last year upon his conversion to full-time reliever, but without the K totals and outstanding peripheral stats you’d expect out of a closer type.

      Zeller-only throws low 90’s tops (, and his stats have been terrible…not even close to closer material or even MLB reliever for that matter

      The guys I definitely agree with that you put in the discussion are Thomas, Jensen, and Zych, though Jensen tops out at 94mph, they said at the time of the draft that he’d add mph with more weight, conditioning, etc.

      If I were to do a list of “closer types” in the Cubs system, it’d include the following (but not limited to):
      Samardzija (though I prefer him as a starter)
      Weathers (can’t hit the broad side of a barn but throws high 90’s, so if Bosio can fix him…)

      I’d probably put it in that precise order as well. I firmly believe the Cubs should trade Marmol for high ceiling, hard-throwing arms, and just go with Wood as closer this year, and groom Dolis, because Dolis has one of the better and more explosive arms I’ve ever seen. If the Cubs were smart, they’d go with that type of punch, and keep Wood for 2013, and go with the following at that time:

      Every single one of those guys throws mid 90’s…the other team wouldn’t get a break at all. If anyone recalls the 2007 playoffs you’ll understand exactly what I mean…The Dodgers’ entire pen was filled with flame-throwers and the Cubs just didn’t stand a chance.

      Anyway…sorry for the corrections…I just wanted you to know they didn’t throw as hard as you thought. Dolis, Zych, Weathers, and Kurcz have all run it up to 99-100mph, and THAT is what the Cubs need at the tail end of their pen. 

      Closers that throw low 90’s aren’t very successful…guys like Hoffman (who incidentally threw 100 mph early in his career, but tapered off to high 80’s at the end) aren’t typically very successful. We can even point to last year with Marmol, and how he went from throwing 95+mph with his fastball to 92 mph, and he leads MLB with 10 blown saves. Correlation? I think so…. 

      • Tom U

        Aaron, thanks for the information. I always respect your opinion.

        However, its my opinion that there’s more to being a closer than just bringing heat. To me, the best qualities a closer can have are focus and cool. The ability to maintain your concentration and remain calm amid the tension and chaos is usually what sets the great closers apart.That’s why players like Hoffman and Lee Smith were still effective long after they lost their big fastballs.

        That’s why I included pitchers like Carrillo, Batista, Berlind, and Shafer. They may not have the greatest “stuff”, but they just seem to know how to get hitters out. There have been many hard throwers in the history of the game. It takes a special player to have the nerve to stick the dagger in the heart of an opponent (sorry for being so graphic). 

        Incidentally, I forgot to mention a sleeper within the organization, Pete Levitt. I haven’t fully researched him yet, but when I saw him personally, he was very imposing on the mound. Not only was he big, but it seemed like every pitch snapped leather (He also benefited from catcher Sergio Burruel, who is great at framing pitches and can catch anything thrown near the plate). While the other team was well ahead by the time he got into the game, batters didn’t seem to have a clue against him.

        • Aaron

          I definitely agree with you about there being more to being a closer than velocity alone. Eckersley later in his career, Rivera, Hoffman (as I mentioned later in his career), etc., have all experienced success without the benefit of top notch velocity later in their careers.

          But they also have something in common…all threw in the mid-to-upper 90’s when they started as closers.

          If you look around the league today, just about every single team has a closer throwing in the 95+mph range. So, again, I go back to my point of….Correlation? I certainly think so…In fact, unless you’re HOF caliber like Eck, Hoffman, etc., you simply cannot get away with throwing low 90’s as a closer, and we witnessed that firsthand last year with Marmol.

          We’ve also witnessed disasters in recent history where middle relievers lost mid 90’s stuff, and got absolutely hammered. Bob Howry comes to mind immediately. Guys with high 80’s to low 90’s stuff often times thrive as starters, because they’re able to mix plenty of offspeed stuff over the course of typically 3 times or more through the lineups, thus keeping hitters off-balance. You cannot get away with that same tactic in relief. Why? Because if you’re coming into the game…in most cases…it means the starter failed. If you continue the same path, you’re giving hitters the same look, thus allowing them to catch onto you. Guys like Verlander, Kershaw, etc. are very rare…starters that carry mid-90’s heat through 7 innings and beyond. In those cases, you can go one of two ways. If they’ve been ineffective, then you can go with more of a finesse reliever that throws low 90’s. If they’re effective, then you can continue with a high 90’s reliever.

          In college, I had the top velocity on our team…naturally I was the closer. My pitching coach, who used to play for the Yankees always told me to be mindful of what was happening before I came in. He told me to notice if guys weren’t catching up to the heat, or if they weren’t catching onto the offspeed stuff, and then modify my gameplan accordingly.

          I was once told by a scout that attended one of my games something very profound. He told me that literally every MLB hitter can hammer a 92 mph heater…even most pitchers that are at the plate can do so. He added that nearly every MLB hitter (non-pitchers in this case) can catch up to 100 mph heat if they saw it about 5 pitches in a row. But he said that the pitcher that is smart enough to figure out on the very first pitch of the AB whether or not that hitter can actually catch up to the heat, will be a very successful pitcher.

          If the pitcher realizes that he can’t catch the heat, then why in the world would he throw something off-speed? I will never ever ever ever ever ever forget the Cubs-Tigers game a few years ago when Zumaya was facing Micah Hoffpauir, and he was throwing 100-102 mph cheese, and Hoffpauir couldn’t catch up to it, and it was blatantly obvious…even Brenly said as much over the air. Then Zumaya gets cute, throws a curveball, and Hoffpauir absolutely obliterates the pitch for a collosal blast.

          What his statements told me was that if you’re topping out at 92 mph, you sure as hell better have phenomenal control and secondary pitches, or you’re going to get hammered. Additionally, if you’re throwing high 90’s, and guys are right on top of your pitches (ie.-fouling them straight back, or hammering the pitches foul by pulling them), then you better not fall in love with your heater too much, and keep them off balance with breaking pitches or changeups. But the difference between the tow types of pitchers is HUGE. Notice that he said it usually takes about five 100 mph pitches in a row before a batter catches on to the timing. If you’re able to locate your 100 mph fastball, the batters have a snowball’s chance in hell of catching up to your stuff, because you’re sitting at 0-2, 1-2, and have only thrown 2-3 pitches in the AB, so if you can locate, you can easily put them away with 3-4 pitches, and they haven’t reached the average of 5 pitches for timing-sake. Good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight is what I say. But if you’re a Bob Howry (late in his career), or Carlos Marmol from last year, and you have a decent slider, but everyone can just sit on your low 90’s fastball and hammer it, then you have absolutely no chance of succeeding in that role. Why? Because unless you’re a Rivera who can place the ball exactly where you want it with movement, (and even he can reach 94 mph with his cutter), then you better have some heat to throw by the guys, or they’ll catch onto you VERY quick.

          Anyway, that’s just my 2 cents 

  • Tony_Hall

    What a day to be busy!

    Hopefully by now everyone understands that this is a baseball trade, that is done to give compensation to the Red Sox.  The Cubs have to receive a player back to make it a trade, which is why the 2 PTBNL are included in the deal.  Why they couldn’t finish it completely is hard to understand, but essentially this is done.

    As far as Carpenter, I hope he goes on to a long career, but a relief pitcher is really not that bad compared to potential starting position player or starting pitcher.  It is more than I expected, as I thought it would be more like a couple of young Barney type players.  

    Either way it’s done, let’s move on to Spring Training.

  • Anthony

    Nutt’s wisecrack wasn’t warranted, has a sense of entitlement to it, and we all know baseball can humble the best, or those that might think they are.

    Carp took the high road, thanked the organization, and admitted it was a business first($5 dollar dogs and $8 beers), and as a fan of his abilities, and knowing his makeup and work ethic, it still comes as a surprise to a player being traded and promotes inner thought.

    Hopefully, Carp joins Boston with the positive though that they wanted him. As for MacNugget, call a cab and spend some money!

    This entire debacle, started by Larry and Theo, two Ivy league educated individuals should tell you that being book smart and being real world smart while letting your emotions and ego’s get in the way makes them look like a bunch of chumps. These braniacs had to defer to a car salesman, a position considered lower than a sanitary engineer, i.e garbage man.

    What a posturing JOKE

    Best wishes to CCarp and mow them dang Yanks down.

    Now, let the Cubs spend $30M on some Cuban. That would suuuck even more

    • Neil

      I missed the wisecrack, what did McNutt say? Also, the Sox and Cubs settled the compensation, Selig was not involved.

      • Aaron

        I’m with you Neil…I want to know what he said. If it has anything to do with him needing a ride because he came to the park with Carpenter…I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, and he was just trying to find humor in  tough thing. Nobody likes to get traded, but if you’re going to get traded, this is probably the way to do it….because like Carpenter said himself, at least he goes down in history, and gets to pitch for 2 very storied franchises.

      • Anthony

        Selig was involved, and he also felt like he was back in high school.

        Selig was involved as soon as “briefs” were sent. He may have deferred on making the decision, but the mere fact of “turning it over to him” means involvement.

        Imagine Carp and Nutt having a beer last night, BS’ing about that either of the two could be changing teams the next day?

        Imagine the ride to the field this morning. “Hey Carp, if they trade you, should I grab a taxi, call the Mrs., what should I do?

        “hey Nutt, if your the one for Theo, I gotta hang, so call your wife either way”lol lol

        Nutt’s comment was from a sense of relief.

        What would he have said if she picked him up with bags packed?

        What should Nutt have said when he found out he wasn’t the Comp?

        NOTHING, excpet wishing the best for a friend instead of a wisecrack of relief!

        • Neil

           Here is Selig’s statement

          “I am pleased that the Cubs and the Red Sox have resolved this
          matter. It has always been my preference that clubs resolve matters like this
          amongst themselves, as they understand their unique circumstances better than
          anyone else could. Though the matter required time, both clubs demonstrated
          professionalism throughout their discussions, and I appreciate their persistence
          in finding common ground.”What is wrong with what McNutt said? Nothing. It was a comment of being relieved and trying to bring humor into the fact a good friend was just traded.

    • RynoTiger

      if not $30M on some Cuban, were you hoping for one of the following?  Someone who is:

      • Anthony

        Throw Momma from your basement

        • Neil

           Please no personal attacks.

        • RynoTiger

          well that’s just lame. My mom doesn’t live in a basement.  She lives on the upper floors. 

      • Anthony
        • Neil

          What are we supposed to be reading? Another player was suspended for breaking the rules.

  • Tony_Hall

    Here is talk about Zach Grienke and comparable 5 year deals all seemingly around $80 for Weaver, Verlander, F Hernandez, CJ Wilson. 

    These are all better pitchers than Garza, so my thoughts of a 5 year $75M is looking like a good deal for all involved. 

    • Anthony

      how about some Cub prospect rises from the ashes for 500K

      • gary3411

         Let’s pray

    • daverj

      I think the CJ Wilson deal is a good comp.  Although Wilson was better the last two seasons, Garza has a bit more of an established history as a starter.

      Weaver, Verlander, and Hernandez all took hometown discounts so I don’t think those are good comps unless and until Garza indicates he is willing to take give the Cubs a hometown discount.

      Overall I agree with you on the 5/$75M.