Cubs Sign Paul Maholm … and are Down the Road on Trading Matt Garza?

Jed Hoyer indicated Friday that the Cubs were still focused on adding pitching to the roster … and they added a piece on Monday while reportedly making strides at dealing their best starting pitcher.

Paul Maholm broke the news on his twitter account late Monday night that he had signed with the Cubs. The team is expected to announce the signing on Tuesday. Terms of Maholm’s contract have not been announced. The signing would require the Cubs to make a 40-man roster move, the Cubs big league roster currently stands at 40 players.

According to David Kaplan, the Cubs are also “down the road” in trade discussions with the Tigers that would send Matt Garza to Detroit for a package of prospects. The Cubs and Tigers have reportedly been discussing a deal for a couple of weeks that could net the Cubs a package of the Tigers’ top prospects, including top pitching prospect, Jacob Turner.

The Cubs also have to make a decision on Kerry Wood’s future with the team. Kerry Wood is reportedly looking for a one-year contract in the $4 million range and has received interest from the Phillies, Tigers and Reds. Wood said he would make a decision by this Friday where he will pitch this upcoming season.

Here’s the update …

Paul Maholm
As reported over the weekend, the Cubs having conversations with Paul Maholm on a contract that would bring the free-agent southpaw to the Cubs. The Cubs are looking to have between seven to nine options for the starting staff when camp begins.

Paul Maholm became a free-agent when the Pirates declined his $9.75 million option for 2012.

According to a report from the Tribune, Maholm could fit in behind Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster in the Cubs’ rotation … if Garza is not traded.

Matt Garza
The Matt Garza rumors settled down over the weekend but picked up in a big way on Monday.

Ken Rosenthal reported moving Garza now makes sense for the Cubs. If the Cubs were to wait until the July 31 trade deadline they are risking injury … and trade rumors driving Garza nuts. According to Rosenthal, Garza’s friends have indicated that he has been bothered by the trade speculation because of his desire to stay with the Cubs.

Recent reports indicated that the Cubs have not decided what they wanted to do with Matt Garza … trade him now, wait to deal him or ink him to an extension similar to the one John Danks recently signed.

According to David Kaplan, the Cubs are down the road in discussions with the Tigers that would send Matt Garza to Detroit for a package of prospects. The package could include Jacob Turner and third baseman Nick Castellanos. Kaplan reported lefty Casey Crosby could be in the talks as well.

Again, the rumored package is just that … a rumored package. And it does not mean that all or any of the players mentioned have actually been discussed.

Kerry Wood
According to multiple reports, Kerry Wood may not re-sign with the Chicago Cubs. After saying that he would either re-sign with the Cubs or retire at the end of last season, Wood and the Cubs cannot agree to the amount or length of a new contract.

Wood said Sunday night that he was confident a week ago that he would re-sign with the Cubs “but now he’s not sure where he will pitch.”

Wood is looking to sign a new contract near market value for a late inning reliever after signing a $1.5 million deal last winter to return to the organization that drafted him.

A report from Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia stated that Wood is looking for a one-year deal in the $4 million range. The Phillies are interested but hesitant due to the cost and the Tigers and Reds have also been linked to Wood.

The Cubs said as recently as last Friday that Wood is the type of player they want in the clubhouse and made re-signing him a priority.

Kerry Wood is expected to announce by Friday where he will pitch this year.

News, Notes and Rumors

According to the Sun-Times, the Cubs anticipate bringing back Rodrigo Lopez. The Sun-Times did not indicate if it would be a minor league or Major League deal.

The Sun-Times also reported that Jeff Samardzija could be in line to compete for a job in the starting rotation.

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  • KevininSandiego

    If any of those Players specially Turner, Castellanos and I dont care who else. Jed pull the trigger man.

  • Vivid_Reality

    I don’t see whats so great about Castellanos. His numbers are nice but nothing to write home about. He must be projected to fill out and add some power cause right now he looks like a better version of Blake DeWitt.

    I’d much rather have a package built around Turner and Smyly. Maybe Oliver / Crosby and Danry Vazquez as the +2.

    • cc002600

      I agree. plus, I just read that Castellenous’ glove is not that great. So why trade for him, when you have Vitters ? they sound like the same guy to me.

    • John_CC

      He is only 19 with just two years of minor league stats. You can determine that he is Blake DeWitt from that?

      • Vivid_Reality

        Certainly not. I only meant that his stats have been comparable thus far.

  • Patrick_Schaefer

    I like Kaplan but he hasn’t historically been very reliable.

  • Scott McMeekan

    I like another lefty, but seeing Dorasaga’s stats on Maholm at Wrigley doesn’t inspire me much.  I think Paul mentioned that a lot of these signings are calculated on them having ‘bounce back’ years, which I’m praying is the case.

  • Tony_Hall

    I had Maholm on my list of pitchers from free agency to add.  As is the theme this year, as they clean house, not spectacular, but a change of scenary may give him a boost.  

    But what I absolutely love, is the competition that we are going to see in ST.  Pitch poorly and get used to bus’s and the Iowa scenary.  

    Pitch well and You know, you never handle your luggage in the show, somebody else carries your bags. It will be great. You hit white balls for batting practice, the ballparks are like cathedrals, the hotels all have room service, and the women all have long legs and brains. 

    Like I said, the competition in ST, will be fun to watch.

    • GaryLeeT

      “Fun” would describe what’s felt when great players compete, and there are no real losers. “Curious” would better describe the feeling headed into ST.  If Garza goes, that means the team will be staffed with 5 number five starters, 1 hitter, little speed, and 0 HR or RBI guys. Somebody tell me how this team wins 50 games this year? Can anybody say 98 Marlins? But hey, we’re Cub fans, and it’s impossible to be embarrassed beyond what well over a century of loosing does.

      • Tony_Hall

        They will win more than 50, and more than 60. I think they will not be “out of it” in May, like the aging veteran team, filled with guys who had done it in the past.

        I just don’t get your attitude toward blowing up this train wreck of a team and rebuilding. 

        It was bad, it was real bad.  

        The last 2 years we barely watched any games where the Cubs were still competing for the playoffs, and honestly April and May games don’t count and we were out of it by the time the Ivy turned green…that’s embarasing.

        This team will be a lot more fun to watch.

        The competition in ST will be fun to watch.  

        Watching this team built from the ground up is going to be fun to watch.

        It is your choice to have a negative view.

        And I hate to say but it will be fun to watch the competition in ST, and there will losers, that is what competition is all about.  I don’t even comprehend what you mean by “and there are no real losers”

        You want to compare us to the 98 Marlins, fine they have 2 World Series Championships, due to blowing it up.

        • GaryLeeT

          When you have 2 very good players competing, one is proven to be better than the other, but you are still left with 2 good players. What about that concept don’t you understand?  Seriously, you really expect someone to get excired about the prospects of Ian Stewart at 3rd? I am not saying that a blowup doesn’t have to be done to some degree, just not to this degree. And why do I have to like it?
          FYI The Marlins had 1 W.S. championship 6 years after “blowing it up”. The first one was bought.  You know, the “wrong” way to do things. Only financial constraints precipitated that first blow up. Oh, and how has that 04 blowup worked out for them?

          • Tony_Hall

            “What about that concept don’t you understand?”

            Sorry not following what your point is.

            Speaking of the rotation, the guys who don’t make it go to Iowa.  The winners will be at Wrigley.  

            I don’t expect you to do anything.  If you don’t like what is going on, that is your right.  I just don’t get it.  You didn’t want the team blown up like this…is there any other way.  Any other way is a band-aide.

          • GaryLeeT

            Start by keeping Garza and extending him. If we have to suffer with some crap team, why not use all farm hands next year, and really see what they have, instead of all these stupid retreads & cast offs?

          • Tony_Hall

            Because not all of the farm hands are ready.

            Do you really think that will help their development? 

            They are putting together a roster for the major league team, that will be short term stop gaps, to give players in their system more time to develop.  Also, they can trade these guys who have played in the majors at the trade deadline or whenever the younger player is ready for more prospects.  If you fill the major league team with guys not ready, you ruin most of them, and make their value zero.

          • Rcox6700

            Agreed.  One of the goals of rebuilding is sustainability throughout the system.

          • cubtex

            I actually agree with you here Tony :) One of the worst things you can do to a young player is rush him up before he is ready. I have seen it many times firsthand. Baseball is such a mental game that if they are moved up before they are ready and struggle…many start to question their own abilities and they can be mentally broken. The Starlin Castro’s are extremely,extrextremely rare.

          • Tony_Hall

            Of courseyou do, because it makes sense.

            Now it shouldmake you understand what is going on at themajor leaguelevel for this season.

          • cubtex

            I have always said not to rush young players. Look at the archives. This is not something I am just now agreeing with you on

          • GaryLeeT

            What archives?  It would be impossible to prove that an early call up, and subsequent failure prevented a player from fulfilling his full potential. Or that seasoning in the farm system made him a great player. I agree that some are not ready to perform at a MLB level, and they they need to be sent back if you have something better at the ready. But this year is the perfect time to see if Vitters, Castillo, Clevenger, B Jackson, J Jackson, Maine, Dolis, LaHair, Lake, and Szczur are worth keeping in your system. Of course this will be to skinny to read on the site, and only you can read it in your e-mail.

          • GaryLeeT

            Oh yeah, every team will be looking to those great Ian Stewarts on the Cubs come July. Anyway, I don’t subscribe to the belief that you “ruin” players by brining them up to early. Either they have “it” or they don’t. Since the Cubs are not competing next year, it’s the perfect time for accelerated low pressure OJT, and see what cream will rise to the top. What better way to assess the farm sytem in a short period of time? I remeber you and I having this very same discussion about Castro, and all your hand wringing over that call up.

          • Tony_Hall

            Every year there are players tradedat the trade deadline, as rentals, just like Stewart, and other players we have pickedup.  They have  a decentyear, and fit a need  of a team.  

            And you are mistaken on Castro, if you think I was against his call up.

            It was obvious in ST, that he was ready.

          • Tony_Hall

            And there are numerous players that have great careers, that have had to go back to the minorsbecause they weren’t ready.You can’t just put a player in the majors, just because they have it or not.  They still need to progress, they aren’t all like Castro.

          • GaryLeeT

            So they can go back down without being ruined? That was my point. Play the farm system. It’s the perfect year for them to see what they have. In other words, Play Vitters before Stewart, Jay Jackson before Volstad, Lake before Byrd, Jackson before Soriano or DeJesus, or LaHair before Rizzo. If they are overwhelmed over an extended period of time, then send them down. . It’s obvious that management could care less if the Cubs win one came in 2012, so what do they have to lose by playing the farm kids first?  You might even find that star who just needed his day in the sun. This will probably be too skinny to read on-site, so only you can in an e-mail.

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            You don’t get comment e-mails?

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          • Tony_Hall

            I am no expert in player development, but I know that for every player that can jump a level, without stunting their development 9 more would have their development stunted.  That one out of 10 (at best) already moves through fast, the others need their AB’s and innings on defense to develop more.  That is one of the problems with MLB as it is, players are rushed up due to being able to hit, and never learn how to bunt, or develop enough on defense. 

          • GaryLeeT

            We will agree to disagree…again. I contend that stars will not be denied their day in the sun. If you are talking about average players that need special handling, no need to try and develop those, they are a dime a dozen. As far as fundamentals go, If they are not ingrained before a player gets to the professionals, there is little hope of retention later on.

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            I am no expert in player development, but I know that for every player that can jump a level, without stunting their development 9 more would have their development stunted. That one out of 10 (at best) already moves through fast, the others need their AB’s and innings on defense to develop more. That is one of the problems with MLB as it is, players are rushed up due to being able to hit, and never learn how to bunt, or develop enough on defense.

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          • Tony_Hall

            Yes I do, and I think your idea is very short sighted.  You obviously don’t understand player development.

          • GaryLeeT

            I am short sighted, and I must bow to your expertise.

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            Yes I do, and I think your idea is very short sighted. You obviously don’t understand player development.

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          • Tony_Hall

            Actually, I think we are saying the same thing. There are players like Castro that are just plain able to hit.  But many others do need to be properly developed and some of those, if properly developed will be stars.

        • MikeT_2008

          I’m with you, will this team be great or even good, probably not but they’re finally building it the right way and in a weird way I’m excited for the season, because it’s not the same old players that we’ve become use to seeing just do their thing and at times seemed disinterested. Maybe I’m just drinking way too much Kool-Aid but the rebuilding and culture change have me excited for this year and the years to come

        • mutantbeast

          Sort of reminds me of the 1991-93 Cleveland Indians. Does anyone remember who Kenny Lofton was traded for? Albert Belle, Sandy Alomar, Jim Thome, Carlos Bearga-all coming up at the same time, by there 3rd big league seasons the team was a division champ and made it to the series. Thats something the Cubs FO should be shooting for and imitating.

      • J Daniel

        I love what is going on! 

    • cubtex

      That’s funny….I brought up Maholm months ago and even put up his stats and what he did against the Cubs last season. Nobody seemed to think it was a good idea then citing not another Pirate Re-Tread.

      I am surprised you didn’t put up your “buy-low battle cry” with Maholm.

      He actually is getting paid right about the same amount at Capuano. I year just under 5 mil(if you factor in the 500,000 buyout for the following season)

      Buy your left field bleacher seats early this year with Travis Wood,Volstad and Maholm in the rotation. Many chances to catch some home run balls.

      • Tony_Hall

        Nobody seemed interested?  I can look through all my posts if needed, but he has been on my list of pitchers that could be added for this year.

        Also, I just assumed you knew it was applied, but here you…Maholm is a nice buy low/sell high player. Little downside…but I know you liked it better JH’s way, Buy High and Sell Low…it gets you really close to looking like a good team, but will never get you  there.

        • cubtex

          and Theo has always bought low and sold high? Give me a break dude. Take a look at Boston under Theo’s tenure.

          • Tony_Hall

            Cmon man – Common sense please.

            Nothing is ever always.

            When you go out in the FA market you buy high, and if you ever do, end up selling low.  That’s how the FA market works…and I know you know that.

            Just like you can’t stand when I bring up the past moves by JH in reference, I can’t stand when you bring up Theo’s days in Boston.  Different times, different worlds.  

            When you are in Year 1 of a rebuild you buy low and sell high as much as possible.

          • cc002600

            Don’t you find it interesting that people have been clamoring for years for
            the cubs to go young and rebuild, and yet now that it is happening, people still
            find a way to complain ????

             

            amazing

          • mutantbeast

            Ortiz was definitely a buy-low in 2003. Johnny Damon and Kevin Millar were also buy lows who paid off for the Bosox in 04. Different situation then here , tho. The Bosox were contenders when Theo took over from Duquette. Here we have to basically start from scratch. 

          • cubtex

            Sure..but the trick is to sell high. Didn’t they lose Damon to free agency? And what did they get for Millar? And they still have Ortiz.

        • cubtex

          You know you always bring up this Theo reverence and how he is doing it the right way. Let me ask you this…..Did JH have a 3 or 5 year pass to not worry about making the playoffs under the previous regime? How many GM’s are given a pass for several years for that matter? It is very unsusual for a high market team like the Cubs to have an owner do this. This would not fly in Boston,NY Yankees, Philly and many other places.
          Many GM’s can do what Theo has done so far and will do given the support of the owner to eat contracts and not worry about putting a competitive team on the field for a year or so.

          • Tony_Hall

            I really don’t see any Theo reverence in my post you replied to.

            I believe there are many GM’s who could do what Theo is doing, having an owner, who wants this built from the ground up, and built for the long haul, as he has said.  I am also sure that many GM’s are envious of Theo, being given the opportunity to build  a franchise from the ground up AND know that he has a high payroll to be able to keep the best players that come through the system.

            That is why I just don’t get why everyone would not love be able to have this happen to our favorite team. I guarantee you many GM’s have floated this idea around and not many have the long term outlook that it takes to make this happen.  

          • cubtex

            Yes. This is more of Tom Ricketts allowing a gm to do this than Theo is doing it this way while JH did it that way. I am happy Ricketts is letting a rebuild. I am sure JH never had the opportunity to do it and you are right….I am sure many GM’s are envious. Most Gm’s need to win now or lose their jobs.

          • Tony_Hall

            Isn’t that what all GM’s do, follow the direction of the owner?  The GM gets the direction from the owner/President and then follows that directive and gives it their own flavor.  

          • John_CC

            Amen brother.  I admire your diligence, Tony. But you know you are wasting keystrokes. cubtex’s irrational loathing of Epstein will always cloud his view.

          • cubtex

            keep bowing to your Theo “FAthead” hanging on your bedroom wall

          • Tony_Hall

            Any idea where to buy one:)

          • cubtex

            I think some of the posters on here bought out the stock :)

          • mutantbeast

            JH wasnt the only problem. Zell was trying to inflate the teams value, so he basically told JH to go for broke and sign vets to overpriced contracts. Soriano wouldnt have been bad at 4/72. Its the 8/136 were suffering with. And no one could have predicted the Zambrano meltdown. 

      • mutantbeast

        Tex, everyone said the same thing about Ted Lilly. He didnt turn out too badly. Id certainly take similair numbers from any of the trio of TWood, Volstad, or Maholm. 

        • cubtex

          Ted Lilly won 15 games in Toronto before the Cubs picked him up. How can you compare that to Volstad or Travis Wood?

          • Hoosierboy3423

            Come on Hendry Jr. Lillys best season was the year before the cubs signed him, The only time BTW that he reached 15 wins.  Which was also his 7th ML season at the age of 29.  To think that one of these  kids cant turn out to be just as good as Theodore Roosevelt or better is obsurd.  Maybe we are all drinking Theo Kool Aid but some of you guys need to put the bottle down.

          • Hoosierboy3423

            I should clarify, the only time he had reached 15 wins prior to us signing him, incase that wasnt understood.

          • cubtex

            hahaha. I like the Hendry Jr moniker. I actually was for the change…it was time for Hendry to go…but to say that he was a complete failure and JH did it this way but Theo does it that way it totally unfair! 2 completely different situations. Team Theo was given carte blanche in Boston to spend spend spend no matter what and if you piss away several million I will give you more. JH never had an umlimited payroll and given carte blanche. Now Theo has a free pass for several years to rebuild.
            Can any GM be put in a better situation than team Theo????

          • mutantbeast

            Because most folks remembered Ted from his Stankee days, and the fact that he was a flyball pitcher. Not many folks paid much atten to Lillys 7k/9 rates his last year(yes, the 15 win one) in Toronto. What Im talking about with Volstad is his high Gb rate(over 50%) and the similiarity betweeen Lilly and Wood at the same times in there career. Lilly was in his late 20s before he established himself. Wood has similarities to Lilly, thats my point basically. It remains to be seen if he establishes himself like Lilly did.

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    • paulcatanese

      Why not Tony, Kevin Costner looks good , switch hitter,calls a good game, get him and Redford to play right field and we have a good start. Gary Cooper would have been great for first base, but he isn’t around any longer.:)

  • Tony_Hall

    A week ago, I was getting worried that the house cleaning would not be as deep as I was hoping to happen.  I was figuring only 16 or 17 players from the 40 man roster that finished last year, would still be on the 40 man roster when it is set at the beginning of this coming year.

    Amazing how a week can change things.

    Whoever they remove to make room for Maholm, will be #16 gone (actually 17, but they brought back Reed Johnson to a RH OF bench bat).  That leaves just 7-8 more to get down to 16 or 17 players.  

    That is turning over a roster.  

    It has been needed for a couple of years.

    I am pretty convinced they have the parameters for a lot of deals already worked out with teams.  Most likely down in the GM and Winter meetings.  Now it is time for teams to make decisions, and pull the trigger.  It’s the only way to make so many moves, so quickly.  

    I expect Garza to be traded soon, maybe this week.

    I expect Soriano to be traded in Feb or March while teams sort through their DH possibilities.

    I expect Byrd to be traded, no later than the trade deadline.

    I can see Soto being traded by the trade deadline, depending on how Castillo and Clevenger perform this year.

    The remainder of the turnover will be in minor league arms that are on the 40 man roster, but unless Wells, Coleman, Dewitt get moved they may not make it to 23 or 24 guys removed from the 40 man by Opening Day to get down to my thought of keeping only 16 or 17 guys, it may take until the trade deadline to accomplish.

    One can have a dream though, and mine was for a house cleaning at Clark and Addison.  

    I expect to see “From the wire…” a few more times this week.

    • J Daniel

      I am with you Tony.  I love what is going on!!! 

      Another way to look at it would be what if JH were still here?  Here is what we would have seen – a qoute that “we are only a couple of players away”.  A signing like Maholm or whoever.  A trade of Cashner as well as 2-3 other prospects for a guy past his prime looking to strike lightning in a bottle.  The system would be set back again with no prospects coming up.  Any prospects that were kept would be blocked or not given an opportunity.  Aram would have resigned here for 3 years with a not trade.  Pena would have resigned here for 2-3 years.  The only positive I see would be that Kerry Wood would have already been resigned with a no trade clause.

      Not sure what many of you prefer but I am enjoying what I am seeing.  Are they going to be in the race this year – probably not.  Were they in the race the last two years?  Will they play harder, compete harder, and be more fundamental?  I say probably yes.  And if they hit on a few of the prospects then we certainly will see a competitive team with sustained success.

  • Ripsnorter1

    No doubt Garza’s gone now….

    Castellanos: another Vitters, that is to say, signed at an early age, and he’s a prospect, so there is no telling if he’ll make the Big Time or not. At age 19, here’s Castellanos’ stats in A ball….2011

    562 PA
    507 AB
    36 2B
    7 HR
    76 RBI
    130 K
    45 BB
    .312 BA
    .436 slugging
    .917 fielding percentage…23 E at 3B.

    Compare with Vitters at age 19, and at A ball:(Vitters split his 19th year between A and A+ ball)
    A BALL
    .288 PA
    269 AB
    15 HR
    12 2B
    .316 BA
    .535 slugging
    Fielding=.914

    A+ BALL==same year
    .238 in 189 AB…..344 slugging
    Fielding=.922
    He really struggled when he moved up a notch. 

    Castellanos is, imo, a lot like Vitters.

    Would you trade Matt Garza for Vitters?

    I don’t think Vitters will be an everyday MLB player.

    • Anthony

      Vitters would be a .275 hitter with 15-20 HR in MLB

      That is considered pretty good. What position?

      • Ripsnorter1

        That’s a big part of the problem:

        Not enough power for LF or 3B.Not enough power for 1B or RF.Not enough glove for 3B.Not enough glove for SS.

        That’s another reason for him to be a part time MLB player. He doesn’t have enough of a bat to overcome his weak glove.

        • Anthony

          his problem is defense only

    • John_CC

      Even IF this kid gets included, he is not who they are trading for.  And IF, again, he is included, he would be one of 3 or 4 players, with the center piece most likely being former 1st round pick, Jacob Turner. Who is in the mix to make the Tigers rotation this spring, who BA tagged the #21 prospect in all of baseball in 2011.  And then there is the Smyly, a young lefty that had 130K in 126 at AA last year. 

      These are the three players that Oakland reportedly asked for in exchange for Gio Gonzales. 

      So, I guess the answer to your question would be twofold: NO, I wouldn’t trade Garza for Vitters, and would you trade Garza for two top pitching prosects, ready to compete in the majors, and a 19 year old former first round pick 3Bman?  Because that is the question.  And you know it. So why with that misleading and pointless hypothetical, anyway?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Levine: Chicago Cubs sign LHP Paul Maholm to a 1 yr 4.25 million deal with club opt 6.5 for 2013. 500k B out

  • Ripsnorter1

    Josh Turner….just 20 yrs old in 2011…
    SP that averaged more than 6 IP per start
    Great WHIP of 1.160 in AA and AAA in 2011

    Tigers’ #1 rated prospect in 2011…

    Turner is ranked as one of Baseball’s elite pitching prospects….

    However he did get racked in his September call up…

    3 GS….12 IP….8.33 ERA and 0-1 record…..3 HR allowed…4 BB…1 HBP…8 K…..the league hit .315 off of him and slugged .537 off of him. He pitched 5.1 IP his first start…
    4.0 IP his second start…
    3.1 IP his third start.

    • GaryLeeT

      So why would the Tigers trade for a pitcher when they already have one that close to MLB ready?

      • GaryLeeT

        I already saw your response.

      • cubtex

        Garza is playoff battle tested and could help them get out of the AL championship series.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Gary,

        The Tigers do not consider Turner as being ready just yet. From what I have read, they are not considering him for the 2012 rotation.

    • J Daniel

      We all know not to judge to much by September.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Yes, but that is usually applied to those who have stellar Septembers, instead of one who had a cellar September. LOL

        • J Daniel

          Correct.  Quade had a great September and look what that got us!

  • Anthony

    The weak link in the system is AAA/AA starting pitching.

    Any combination of Turner/Smyly/Crosby helps in that direction, and that is the level they should pitch in 2012.

    Maholm, Volstad, et al is the bridge to them.

    The position players at AAA/AA contain some solid guys.

    I anticipate a full 2012 season of minor league baseball will further shake things up and some different positional players will establish themselves, some, on a fast track.

    This organization is a lot more than just Brett Jackson and Matt Szczur, believe it or not!

    • Ripsnorter1

      Turner is not expected, if he stays in Detroit’s system, to pitch at the ML level in 2012–despite the fact that their starting pitching is weak after Verlander. 

      He ain’t quite ready just yet.

      That means, he’s a Chris Archer crap shoot.
      Garza is a proven starter. 

      • Anthony

        I’m not a proponent of trading Garza, think he should be extended, locked up for a total of 5 seasons to become a LT asset.

        Rumors floating that DET may want Samardj as part of package.

        Remember, A ball and rookie league pitchers can bust 90mph regularly, and they all have hooks and offspeed stuff.

        It is all about command and control(location), so basically all pitching is a crapshoot.

        As hitters get to AA and AAA, ever notice their production goes up?

        That’s because they see MORE STRIKES from advanced pitchers.

        Conversely, if a hitter can bust .300 in A ball with solid statlines, then they are worthy of further playtime and development because many A ball pitchers are all over the map(WILD)

        • Ripsnorter1

          I agree with you: keep Garza.
          PROSPECT ARE JUST SUSPECTS UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

        • Aaron

          Where in the world are you hearing Samardzija? Link?

        • cc002600

          I agree too.  Proven pitchers like Garza,especially at his age, are hard to find.

          They should keep him, UNLESS they get 3 or more studs back. Nothing less.

        • cubtex

          So you are saying that you should aquire YOUNG starting pitching anytime you can get it regardless if you are trying to win now or not??? What a concept. I agree with that thought and have stated that on many occasions.

          • Tony_Hall

            Actually, he didn’t say that at all.  He said since we have Garza, he would like to keep him and extend him.

            I have said the same thing, BUT, if we can get a big haul, you trade him, since, we are building the foundation for the future.

  • notcubbiewubbie

    wake me when garza is traded til then please please please stop the ridiculous speculation. nough said.

  • Ripsnorter1

    As for dropping someone off the roster for Maholm’s arrival….

    Goodbye, Mr. Marcus Mateo.

    • Aaron

      I’d prefer they dump DeWitt or Coleman….all of this likely means that a deal for Garza including other 40-man guys is nearing completion, especially if the want to resign Wood

    • cubtex

      Cubs anticipate bring back Rodrigo Lopez….You must be happy Rip! I know how much you like Chi Chi.

      • Ripsnorter1

        ChiChi is a pretty decent 2-4 inning pitcher. 

        They could do worse…and have…than ChiChi.

        LOL

        • John_CC

          A good ole fashioned Innings Nibbler.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil
    • cubtex

      That is a shame!

    • Jeff in AZ

      Not adding wood forr3-4 million bucks may be business smart but also classless at the same time. If Theo doesn’t understand how important this guy is to fans, then he is completely out of touch. What is more insulting is that they have been cutting payroll severley (which I’m okay with as part of the rebuild for now) so they can afford to maybe overpay this guy after the hometown discount we got last year.
       
      Again, I see how he deserves and belongs on a contender, but if he wants to be a Cub then he Theo needs to make this happen, or he will learn real quick that he is not immune ridicule.
       
      Could Theo be booed this weekend if the Wood thing gets really ugly before then? I hope all of this is just posturing by Woods camp, but it is not sounding good at this point…

      • cubtex

        Agreed 100%. Classless is the right word! Ricketts needs to step in here and tell Theo that he is going to give him a 1 year 3 or 4 mil deal.
        I know Theo wasn’t here last year when Wood signed that 1 year 1 mil deal…but Ricketts was!
        Step in here. He wants to be a Cub and he deserves to finish his career as a Cub!

        • cc002600

          agree.  They have tons of dough available now.  its ridiculous to think they can’t give him $3 or $4M.

        • daverj

          I agree with this too.  If Wood wants $4 million  for a 1 year deal, Epstein needs to step up and give it to him.  I’d guess that Woody would probably compromise in the $3 million range, but doesn’t want to sign a deal like last year.

          • daverj

            And I’d add that while I like the Maholm signing, I’d much rather give $4 million to Wood than $4.75 million to Maholm.

        • Bruce Bauer

          I like Woody and would love to see him as a Cub next yr. He signed discounted 1yr deal last yr. Epstein does not owe him anything for that deal just like Wood does not owe the Cubs anything for the $31 million he collected from age 27 to 30 when he only avg 17 games a yr.
          He deserves money for his talent and fan appeal, but they do not need to get into bidding war with Det or Phil over him.

  • Redlarczykg

    Adding all these average to below average players gives Cub Fans the hope for an average to below average 2012 team…which will be an improvement!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Cubs: We will make a 40-man roster move before Maholm officially added. That move has not been finalized yet

    • texcubnut

      That’s easy, Neil. Drop Casey Weathers off the 40 man roster.

    • Aaron

      I don’t know how you took that but to me, they might as well have said “we haven’t completed a trade we’re working on…when it’s completed we’ll announce the signing because we need the roster spot.”

      just a hunch…but I would assume there would be other players on the 40-man involved in the Garza trade and I also believe a Byrd or Soriano trade for an A-level player(s) is right around the corner too so they can have roster flexibility in Spring Training to add Corps or Sonnanstine among others if necessary.

      • cubtex

        I took that the same way.

      • Ripsnorter1

        That would be exciting! 

        Just think: no more Sorry-oh-no fanning for the third out on a low and away slider with the bases loaded.
        No more “hop, skip and jump” in LF–as the ball rolls all the way to the wall.

        And what’s more exciting, is answering the question: Who is going to play in LF?

  • Hoosierboy3423

    Ok so everyone wants to complain about the product thats ending up on the field this year.  BOOO HOOOO, get over it, its gonna take some time to build this thing.  Ever think that taking a shot on guys like stewart, maholm, volstad, dejesus or whoever at low prices could be that if they have good years they could move them at the deadline for even more prospects to even further help rebuilding the farm.  All of these guys are short term options anyways.  If they can get them low in a year that obviously doesnt matter and create value out of maybe a couple of them, then great.  If not, no harm no foul.  They arent signed to crazy contracts for an ungodly amount of years.  Please quit complaining about the product on the field this year.  You act like we are 3 years old playing in the sandbox and Theo took your favorite toy from you.  But in this case, what exactly was your toy? Zambrano, Pena, DJ lemahieu, Tyler Colvin, really?  The thing is Theo isnt over in the sandbox crying with you, hes over there playin with the Legos trying to BUILD something thats gonna last.

    • cubtex

      I agree about the rebuilding process but you can rebuild with better players since the Cubs are a major market team. Seriously…..how much value will DeJesus,Stewart,Maholm and Vostad have at the trading deadline???
      They won’t bring back any top propspects. If you buy low on an average or below average player…..and even if you sell high…..What do the think the return will be on the players you mentioned?

      For example….If you added a Beltran to play RF and he plays well( You have to pay him twice what you would for DeJesus)….But your return would be a top prospect!

      With DeJesus…..Your return will be a mid to low level prospect.

      If you would have signed Oswalt on a 1 year deal instead of Maholm…..Oswalt’s return would be a top prospect at the trading deadline…..Maholm’s return would not be.

      Do you see my point?

      • Scott

        Teams have been more and more reluctant to trade top prospects at the deadline anymore as teams have become more and more cost conscience.

        With the changes to draft pick compensation, that will make things even more difficult to get a top prospect at the trade deadline.  I believe that you must have a player on your roster for the entire year to even have a chance at draft pick compensation.

        Teams are not going to give up top prospects at the deadline anymore for a two-month rental where they have no chance at getting anything in return.

        I do see your point though on Beltran vs. DeJesus or Oswalt vs. Maholm.  But since none are probably going to be with the Cubs once the rebuilding process is over, and none will probably bring much back in trades, I don’t see paying twice the cost for these players, especially when Oswalt is 5 years older than Maholm and Beltran is 2 years older than DeJesus.

        • cubtex

          Good point about the changes to draft pick compenstions.

          It is a gamble either way…but better players bring back better returns. The gamble is they cost more…but the Cubs can afford to pay more for a 1 year flyer on a player opposed to the A’s or Royals.

          • Scott

            Completely agree that better players being better returns.  But as Hoosier mentioned, what were the odds that Beltran and Oswalt (or any player near the end of their career) would want to join a rebuilding project when they could possibly make a run at a ring?  Maybe 3 years from now that would make sense for them, but not so much now.

          • Anthony

            oswalt would cost more intially

        • John_CC

          The difference is Beltran isn’t going to sign a two deal.  Oswalt is not going to sign a 1 year deal. Or if they would it would be 2 and 15M$ per, or 1 and 16M$…or something like that.

          Just because they are a large market team, are they supposed to just throw money away?

          This is what I do not understand about the argument – they could be doing better.  Better how?  It is a rebuild.  Would really rather see the injury-risk aging Beltran getting 15M$ a year while holding a spot for prospect?  Really?  Because he could have a worse season than DeJesus, he could.  He could have a tremendous “come back” but I’d put the odds at 50/50. 

          Is that what I am hearing?  That the upcoming rebuilding year would be “better” or more fun to watch if the players that are holding positions for the future team are more aged vets on the downslope of their careers?  If so, imagine this “rebuilding” team:

          Aramis 3B, 18M$ (option picked up)
          Beltran RF, 15M$/2 years
          Zambrano   18M$
          Soriano       18M$
          Pena ….  ok you get the point…this is the same crap team that was out there last year!! 

          • cubtex

            David DeJesus is 32 years old. He hit .240 with 10 HRs and 46 RBI

            Beltran his .300 with 22 HR’s and 84 RBI

            You think DeJesus could have a better season than Beltran? Not a chance.

            I was just using this example. You could replace Beltran with several other candidates.
            DeJesus doesn’t have much value at the trade deadline no matter how he performs in my opinion.

          • John_CC

            There is always a chance, come on, man, we are Cubs fans! :)

            There is also chance that Beltran can’t walk again for half the season.  My point was not to compare DeJesus’ and Beltrans’ stats.  Again, you with the literal and completely obvious, and still did not answer the question I’ve asked you at least a half dozen times by now.

            What free agents would have been better signed at this point, with the current plan of rebuilding? 

            So use a different example than Beltran.  What free agent OF would be good fits right now, willing to take a 2 year contract?

          • mutantbeast

            Look again-Oswalt has become amenable to signing a 1-yr deal. He started off wanting a multi-yr contract.Apparently his injury issues are scaring teams off more than a 1-yr deal. Hes become the pitching version of Carlos Pena.

          • John_CC

            I would offer him a 1 year contract in a second!

      • Hoosierboy3423

        I get what youre saying, but what were the odds of Beltran or Oswalt coming here anyways. Also, who says we have to net TOP prospects in return for players, we just need a better farm.  If Stewart is hitting 285 and has 17 hrs near the deadline he is not that far removed from being a top prospect that he would net a good return in a trade.  All the guys they have signed are still young and once had bright futures, no reason that potential cannot be realized by one or more of them

        • cubs1967

          when has Stewart hit .285?? check his stats; never……nor even close.

          if he hits .260 that’s a MONSTER season; reality; you hit .151; there are problems. (see Tyler Colvin).

          • John_CC

            My highest hope for Stewart is .270 with some good pop — 25+ HR, and 150 K.  He is a strikeout machine, if he can cut down his K rate, he could hit .270-.275.  The power is there.

            But like I said, this is very optimistic.

          • Hoosierboy3423

            it wouldnt be unheard of for a guy who was having a poor start to his career to turn it around and even hit so much as 300 look at Alex Gordon last season, similar sample size as Stewart with similar disappointment.  Not sayin that this will happen but it could, and what did it cost us. Nothing of real value.  But i guess we are all supposed to love DJ lemahieu and tyler colvin for their amazing contributions to our team.

          • cubtex

            You just contradicted yourself. Sure Stewart can turn it around but if that is your argument…so can Colvin and even outperform Stewart :)

          • Hoosierboy3423

            No i really didnt, my point is that most of you are crying about the guys we have moved.  Let them go, have their change of scenery.  They never did anything for us in the first place.  If they suceed in their new home, better for them.  But should we instead hold on to all our much loved prospects for them to yield more of nothing.  How bout we try and change it up a bit, our let down for your let down, lets see which crap rises to the top.  Nothing lost in that deal at all.  Too bad so many of you cant see that.

          • Coachdon

            I don’t see LeMahieu as crap. He was a young guy looking for an opportunity. I see Stewart as crap, like most of what has been acquired.

      • J Daniel

        And Beltran could be on the disabled list as well, he has a pretty good history of that.  I agree with your idea but . . .

  • Anthony

    Interesting to see the Iowa AAA roster on the website, 2 position players, Jackson and M. Smith, no catchers.

    Brings attention to a harmless signing, veteran 2B Edgar Gonzalez.

    I don’t think he was primarily signed to play for Iowa AAA as there are several younger candidates including any on the current 40-man roster.

    • Tom U

      Anthony, that’s typical for this time of year. Some of it is due to the players and their contracts, the other is just lax site maintenance. Those roster will “magically” fill out at the end of March.

      • Anthony

        the Edgar thing has meaning

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Hoyer: “We continue to want Kerry back in Chicago, we’ve offered him a substantial raise and we hope it gets done.”

    • Tony_Hall

      I want Woody back, but we don’t know what he is asking for, and what he considers a market value contract.  

      He may be asking for more than 1 year, he may be asking for $5M, who knows, but until he signs somewhere, we can’t say that the Cubs are not being fair or classless.  

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Hoyer: “We’ve added control
    and youth to the pitching staff over the course of the winter.” Says
    it’s good for the future and present.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Hoyer: Going to prepare Samardzija as a starter in spring training.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Hoyer: “We both understand the history of the organization and which players mean the most to the fan base and Kerry is one of them.”

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Bruce Miles: Hoyer says he and Cubs understand what players such as Kerry Wood mean to the fan base.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Bruce Miles: Hoyer says Maholm has not officially been added to 40-man. Paperwork on his deal and waiver period should coincide magically.

  • Hoosierboy3423

    Neil, any word on the Cubans.  With their citizenship thing about to happen is there any news on which one if any the cubs will push for? Havent heard much on that front lately.  Soler could be a nice addition to that outfield in a few years.

    • Anthony

      or he could be a BUST if he doesn’t get along with Uncle Charlie? Wanna spend 10-20M to find out?

      • Hoosierboy3423

        didnt we give Shark like 10 mil straight outta college too?  That gamble, might not have been worth it, Soler could be.  Sometimes you do need to take a chance or two.

        • Anthony

          how about a chance in 10, the next 10 1st round draft picks collectively will cost 20M

          • Hoosierboy3423

            So would you rather go for Cespedes, the non prospect?  Or do you have no interest in either of them.

          • Anthony

            I think I’ve expressed my opinion on the centipede several times already………….NO

          • Anthony

            but its not my decision to make

          • paulcatanese

            I compare them both to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, with no more banks to rob down there and want to head north to greener pastures.:)

          • cubtex

            i agree with you to pass on the 2 Cubans.

          • Hoosierboy3423

            Yeah just thought id ask about them because I hadnt heard much on here lately about them.  Thought id hear more with their citizenship issues gettin cleared up here soon.  I do think taking a shot on Soler would be better than Cespedes with the timeline it appears we are looking at for this team.  I guess it would all just depend on the price.

          • cubtex

            I think the Cubs have alot more to worry about than taking a huge risk on one of these Cuban players…Same thing with Darvish. They need to invest their money on less risky options.

          • Hoosierboy3423

            I agree about the rebuilding process but you can rebuild with better players since the Cubs are a major market team. ” Ok this is what you said earlier. My question then would be, What players? And if so isnt trading for or signing these better players also goin to cost more in the way of prospects given back or money paid. And in turn creating more risk. If we are rebuilding id rather see 10 mil thrown at Soler so he could develop in our system with our coaches etc, than bring in Beltran at the same price if thats the type of player you had in mind.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      From the way I understand it the Cubs are still interested in both Cespedes and Soler.

  • Anthony

    Theo said nice things about Marmol(closer)

    DET is linked as interested in KWood

    Samardj could fit nicely in the Cubs setup role

    If (WHEN) ChiC signs KWOOD, is he the setup guy?

    Samardj then trys becoming a SP, or ??

    DET would like a frontline SP, a setup man, and a 2B

    ChiC quietly signs 2B Edgar Gonzalez, not for AAA?

    Turner isn’t quite ready
    Smyly may be a better prospect
    Porcello has shell-itis of the psyche
    Oliver is all over the map
    Crosby appears solid
    No need for Castellanos

    Just pitching out some ideas and dot connects?

    • Aaron

      I’ve said in the past the best thing for the Cubs would be finding a way to land Turner, Smyly, and Oliver in the same trade….but that ain’t gonna happen. I suppose if the Tigers were even interested in Wells then they might do it because they’d be able to hedge against injury with depth….if Theo finds a way to land all 3 of them without giving up aother young, high ceiling guy (Samardzija) then quite frankly, he gets my vote as GM of this century.

      Honestly, given the fact he has a solid track record in the AL…and right now is a solid 2…Garza alone should be enough to land all 3 of them…especially since Oliver would be the equivalent of the Cubs trading Rich Hill a few years ago…while Hill was slightly older at the time, he had potential but significant questions about control.

      At this time, that’s all Oliver is right now…upside but a huge question mark. Essentially the deal would be for Turner and Smyly….which they should do in a heartbeat…again, because Garza is a sure thing. And if they cry about that, the Cubs could include Barney and ask for one of their crappy yet high upside young OF prospects in addition.

      • Anthony

        DET will do something, even an Oswald deal as the Indians are projected to challenge again for the division and eventually play a beast from the east, let alone the Rangers and the LA TV Revenue spenders

    • mutantbeast

      Let em keep Porcello. Cant throw strikes in Comerica? Oliver has big-time control issues. Smyly is a soft-tosser who som ehow misses bats(Jamie Moyer Jr?) Id take Turner, Smyly and one of there Single A A or B prospects. 2012 is unlikely to produce a winner-2-4 yrs down the road is where TheoJedi needs to be pointing at, thanks to Hendry and the Trib corp.

  • 43hopping

    On the Kerry Wood topic: About a week ago I saw Wood talking about his charity event with Janet Davies. Kerry mentioned some of the Cubs attending the event. I mention this because one pf the attendees he listed was Theo Epstein. I know Theo is a part of the Cub’s organization but doesn’t it seem strange Kerry would invite him without some kind of deal in place or at least agreed upon?
    With no deal it would make for an awkward situation for fans, Kerry, and Theo.

  • Jmvukovi

    The CCO 40-man is at 41.   Kerry Wood still on there it appears.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      I have an asterisk next to his name so he would not be counted. Have been expecting him to re-sign all winter.

  • Anonymous47701

    What about Free Agent Chris Young in the Cubs rotation?

    • GaryLeeT

      I like the idea. Sure he’s an injury risk, and is 32, but he’s someone that had been spectacular in the past. He could be had on the cheap, probably taking a one year contract. If healthy, not only could he brighten up a pathetic rotation, but could be a great trading chip in July.

  • Cocub

    I still think we keep Garza.  Detroit is going to have to overwhelm Cubs management with a prospect package, and I don’t think they are going to want to pay the price that the Cubs seem to be asking.  But I’m biased because I’d rather keep Garza.  As far as Wood goes. . . just bite the bullet and get a deal done.  I know he’s probably overpriced at $4 million, but every now and then baseball should be about something more than just business.  Wood understood that last year and gave the Cubs a discount.  Its time to repay the favor.  

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Rosenthal: Maholm can earn max of $550K in incentives each year with #Cubs: $50K at 150 IP and then $100K at 160, 170, 180, 190 and 200 IP.

  • Anthony

    Not meant as a joke or wisecrack, but if Theo keeps this up, he will probably win a PCL Title with the Iowa Cubs, and maybe one in AA TENN also?

    In 1992, the Cleveland Indians were named Organization of the Year mostly based on their Farm system. From the years 1989 thru 1993, their AA affiliate Canton-Akron made the playoffs each year, and won the Eastern League title in 1992.

    In 1993, their AAA affiliate Charlotte Knights won the International League title.

    From 1994 and the next several years after, they were a high-level team and had several opps to win, including 2 WS appearances.

    The Farm can be a predictor of things to come, and also a predictor of player translation from AA/AAA to the Majors.

    The difference is not that huge.

  • Tom U

     Anthony, you may not be far off. With the players that parent club may be leaving behind in Iowa, the I-Cubs may have a chance to win the championship. They may have the best pitching staff in the PCL.

  • matthew8510

    The Cardinals have signed catcher Koyie Hill to a minor league deal, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets. Turner Gary Sports represents the longtime Cubs backstop.

  • Demitri

    Koyie Hill signs with the Cardinals.. Hes officially not coming back

  • cubtex

    Ha! The Cardinals signed Koyie Hill. Now watch him beat the Cubs one game with a walk off this year :)

    • paulcatanese

      As so many have.:)

  • paulcatanese

    I remember the slave trade that was many years ago,slaves were bought for next to nothing from the people that brought them here.
    Traders would fatten them up, let them heal a little and then parade them at the market and sell them for a profit,injured,sick or whatever, when they healed sell them. Seems I have read that somewhere, “buy low, sell high”.

    • cubtex

      Cardinals just bought low on Koyie Hill as well:)  Maybe they can polish him up a little, put him in some situation to succeed and sell him high back to the Cubs :)

      • Tony_Hall

        Now your stretching it…nobody should be bought that low :)

        • paulcatanese

          I dont know about that Tony, Aaron Miles still seems to be out there.:)

    • Anthony

      paul, maybe with a hundred legs or arms, a centipede would never strike out or miss a ball hit to him……………..lol

      $500k per leg

      • paulcatanese

        Anthony, I have a feeling that centipede would get stepped on and squashed once it gets to the big guys:)

        • Anthony

          classic reply

  • John_CC

    Cardinals sign KOYIE HILL!!!  Love it.

    Mariners sign Heilman…he was close to as loathed as Grabow.

    • Tony_Hall

      Couldn’t happen to a better team…

    • cubtex

      Mariners bought Heilman low too

      • Tony_Hall

        You are so right.  Veteran relievers are a good source for buy low/sell high.  Relievers can have such a up and down years, and a vet that is having a good 1st half can bring back a prospect in return.  

        Glad you are starting to understand this concept :)

        • cubtex

          And there are so many out there…Bartolo Colon,John Garland,Brad Penny,Roy Oswalt. What is the difference with the name I have mentioned and the ones Theo has picked up??? I will give you a hint…..Check the W-L column and the ERA column.

          • cubtex

            I should clarify…from the past not just last year. What does that mean?? That means that they have value if they have a good first half for a contender since they have a track record and a playoff team would rather pick up one of these names instead of a Sonnanstine or Maholm.

            See the concept :)

          • Tony_Hall

            They would pick up a Sonnanstine or a Maholm if they are on a budget and can’t afford a player like Oswalt. 

          • Anthony

            you sign an Oswalt, as money well spent, when you have a Garza in the rotation, some fat guy at 1B and Youkilis at 3B, and Beltran in RF, not David.

            In other words, a transitional season, bridge the gap, and any other slogan you can use

          • Tony_Hall

            Those are all starters and have the same concept.  Except, when trying to trade a player with a higher salary, can negate the level of prospect back.

          • Hoosierboy3423

            oh and age and cost, some big differences there too.  besides the fact that none of them would want to play fora  rebuilding team.

          • Anthony

            time warp

      • John_CC

        Ya think so?  I didn’t know he was still throwing baseballs.

  • KevininSandiego

    Jed Hoyer, no Commented on the Tiger Trade rumors on Inside Pitch on XM radio. so wha does that mean?

    • John_CC

      They’ve a got deal in place, or damn near.

  • gocubs

     Cardinals Sign Koyie Hill

    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 10 at 4:48pm CST]

    The Cardinals have signed catcher Koyie Hill to a minor league deal, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets. Turner Gary Sports represents the longtime Cubs backstop.

    Hill, 32, figures to compete with Bryan Anderson and Tony Cruz for playing time behind Yadier Molina.
    He posted a .194/.268/.276 line in 153 plate appearances for the Cubs
    last year, stopping 24% of stolen base attempts. The eight-year veteran
    has a career batting line of .211/.275/.298 and has stopped 28% of the
    stolen base attempts against him.

  • paulcatanese

    If Theo can overpay for his house because he likes Chicago, why can’t he understand Wood does as well, and that would only cost a few million to keep him where he wants to be.

    • cubtex

      excellent point Mr. Catanese

      • paulcatanese

        Thank you son:)

  • matthew8510

     according to #cubs person, likely they start year with soriano in left field. should be in AL, but big $ to work out 

  • Anthony

    As it stands, here is a lineup guess:

    CF Sappelt(former Reds minor league hitter of the year)
    RF DeJesus
    SS Castro(if not indicted)
    1B LaHair
    LF Soriano
    3B Stewart/Vitters
    C Soto
    2B Gonzalez

    Sappelt runs well. Byrd will be traded or finish his contract as reserve

    Gonzalez was not signed for AAA, Barney goes to Iowa and plays SS while Bianchi takes 2B. Lake is a mystery as far as assignment and position.

    The remaining reserves are up for grabs, and Iowa gets the rest, all subject to trade

    • Tony_Hall

      You stated as it stands, then traded off Byrd.  

      I don’t see Gonzalez starting at 2B over Barney as it stands right now either.

      • Anthony

        I said, OR finishes his contract as a reserve.

        SD connection Gonzalez was NOT signed to help Iowa win a PCL Title.

        • Tony_Hall

          There are no indications that the Cubs picked up Gonzalez for anything more than middle infield depth.  

          • Anthony

            at what level?

            just like following the money, we can follow the Theo, and his house cleaning maids

            wonder if these allegations about (SC) are an issue also?

          • Tony_Hall

            Your posts are so hard to follow sometimes.

            He is there to compete for a bench job on the major league team.  If he doesn’t make the team, he looks like the type of player they want in Iowa.  Iowa looks like they want to use it for players with some major league experience, that could fill in at the major league level, if needed and for a certain type of prospect.  

            Or they will just cut him, as he won’t cost them anything.  

            They may just be doing him (or his brother) a favor, to get him into camp, to showcase for other teams.  

      • Aaron

        There is an incredible amount of conflicting information out right now….who knows what will happen now. The Garza deal seems to be perpetuated by a dude named mlbinsidenews on Twitter. It dies down then all of a sudden,he tweets again and the lame streamers pick it up and run with it.

        At this point anything can happen. I honestly don’t believe the Tigers even want to pony up Turner and that’s the headliner I’d do it for….anything less than him and Smyly and another prospect and you just need to extend the guy rather than trade him.

        Barney, as I’ve said numerous times, he just doesn’t fit the profile of a Theo guy. I also didn’t see how Johnson fit in either …yet Theo resigned him so…well…I guess I don’t know and nobody really knows. And let me be abundantly clear about that….it’s a very good thing because they are now unpredictable…anything could happen. They could extend Garza, trade him now, or trade him at yhey’d deadline. Obviously there are pros and cons to every scenario. Let’s hope they get this thing turned around and get decent value in return. After all, that’s the only way they can turn this around in short order.

        Unfortunately their two best players (Castro and Garza) are the ONLY guys that could command a top prospect or two in return…Dempster and Marmol (if he has a comeback year) have a chance as well….but that is the bare cupboard Hendry left. At least the White Sox, Marlins, and Pirates..in recent rebuilding efforts have multiple assets to trade with above average trade value. Pretty sad, right? Even more sad when you consider the young talent in LeMahieu, Colvin, and Cashner they had to give up just to get more young talent. When you look at other teams rebuilding efforts, they rarely involve trading cost controlled young players. That is why I was always so critical of the former GM…because almost none of the veterans he acquired had much trade value yet had huge contracts…and now in a rebuilding effort it makes it even more difficult to get things turned around.

        If Hendry signed wisely in the first place we should be talking about how 10-12 veterans will bring back 10-12 top prospects at the very least, yet outside of Garza, all we’re talking about is what mid-level or low level prospects guys like Byrd, Soriano, etc would bring in return. Pretty pathetic, right?

        …Which is why it’s so refreshing to hear them talk about trading short-term assets for lomg-term ones. It’s doubtful guys like Soto and Marmol would even be omit this team right now. Theo would’ve likely sold high on them, recognizing their peak value before they got too expensive. While he made questionable moves later on with Lackey and Crawford…he made great calls on letting other veterans walk at the right time…and he likely made the right call trading Marshall at his peak value (though I still think he was worth better prospects than we received)

        • Anthony

          understand your post, but at some point a GM pulls the trigger when they feel they have a chance at the crown, and when the results don’t jive, it is called a bad move, and

          I blame that on the game of baseball. Each game is unique, and each at bat an adventure, each pitch thrown has drama, and in the long run, the baseball gods are always the true winners.

  • gocubs

    Cardinals Sign Koyie Hill

    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 10 at 4:48pm CST]

    The Cardinals have signed catcher Koyie Hill to a minor league deal, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets. Turner Gary Sports represents the longtime Cubs backstop.

    Hill, 32, figures to compete with Bryan Anderson and Tony Cruz for playing time behind Yadier Molina.
    He posted a .194/.268/.276 line in 153 plate appearances for the Cubs
    last year, stopping 24% of stolen base attempts. The eight-year veteran
    has a career batting line of .211/.275/.298 and has stopped 28% of the
    stolen base attempts against him.

  • Anthony

    Here is a challenge for you, and wanting Tom to chime in kindly.

    So, say they extend Garza plus 3 years with no trade intention thinking they will be ready contenders in 2014, that is the assumption in this scenario.

    Don’t want to hear no Centipede/Soler crapola, but want a lineup projection with guys in the system at the time of this post, and Tom specifically, any darkhorses, or sleepers in the current system that with a breakout season in 2012, or kids who play as good or better than their college accolades, and any other fast riser that could enter the mix, are candidates.

    Assume Soriano is history.

    • Tom U

      Patience Anthony. I’ll run a whole article with minor league predictions toward the end of March. I’ll also return to two other articles from last season. Bubble busters will highlight players “on the bubble” and the players that can “burst” the bubble. In addition, I’ll put out the Five Players to Watch series, featuring players who may not be listed on the top prospects lists, but may have a chance to surprise. 

      • Anthony

        very patient Tom, just generated an “interest” post to bridge the gap to the next Theo move.

  • Tony_Hall

    Here is an example of a team rushing prospects to the majors, before they are ready.

    “The New York Mets have placed outfielder Fernando Martinez on waivers to open up space on their 40-man roster. Martinez, once the team’s top minor league prospect, never has lived up to the hype surrounding him. Unfortunately for Martinez, he was rushed to the major leagues before holes in his swing were remedied. Knee injuries and a sparse 145 plate appearances over three cups of coffee at the major league level prevented him from being an effective contributor and further clouded Martinez’s future. I don’t expect him to clear waivers and wouldn’t be surprised if the San Diego Padres claimed him this week on the recommendation of former Mets general manager Omar Minaya, now an assistant to Padres GM Josh Byrnes in San Diego.  ”

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=3186 

    • Coachdon

      Perhaps it wasn’t being rushed that stymied the kid. Maybe it was the 145 AB’s scattered throughout 3 callups. Sounds like Colvin’s year in ’11.

      • ChadAudio

        Sheesh.  No kidding that’s a disaster.

      • John_CC

        Felix Pie…

  • paulcatanese

    What is upsetting the way Garza is being bounced around with trade talk one day and extending him the next.
    Hoyer on the air in the same program talks about a trade and virtually  the next breath they like him and may extend him.
    Now I know Garza is a pro, and has mentioned earlier that the trade talk dosent bother him and will let his agent handle it.

    When he first came to the Cubs I bad mouthed him for some of his early outings. And watching him after that after a few outings, he changed me over to become a fan of his. I have seen him give 150% on and off the mound, especially when he wasn’t pitching, giving it all he could in support of his teamates and team.

    That being said, I understand what the Cubs are trying to do with him, get enough of a good return. so trade him if that happens If that dosent happen, extend him, and I understand that.

    But he like Wood deserve better respect from Theo and company, and should be handled one way or another in an expiedent manner. Keep the double talk out of the equasion and make a decision one way or another and don’t drag it out. Even though both are long time pros, they still have feelings, and above all these two are not 25million dollar players and should not be handled like a number.

    • Tony_Hall

      Paul – Don’t assume that they are changing their minds.  They have made it clear what they are looking for, IF a team wants to trade for him.  I think Aaron pointed out there is one guys twitter account that starts the rumor and then others seem to pick it up.  Here’s the thing, they can extend him and still trade him, it might even raise his value, with more years and his pay figured out (as long as they don’t overpay).

      It’s just the way it works today.  Maholm was signed at the end of last week, but didn’t tweet it out himself until after passing his physical.  Yet, if we looked around, some reporter probably this past weekend, said that Maholm was close to signing with xyz club, that was not the Cubs.  Really!  It just shows you that most reporters are just taking anything they can for information, and making it sound like it could be true.

      They are just lots of rumors.  Now when Hoyer gives an interview, he is saying what they have told him, that they would like to keep him use him as a building block, but this is a business, and if someone offers them more value back in return for him, they will have to consider the offer.  The only reason they are still talking about it, is teams are getting close on their offers.  

      If they don’t trade him, we could hear speculation for the next year and a half, especially if they don’t extend him…so Garza better get use to it, if it’s bothering him, or give his agent directions to work out an extension, that is club friendly.