From the Wire … Cubs Acquire Anthony Rizzo and Zach Cates from Padres for Andrew Cashner and Kyung-Min Na

The Cubs acquired Anthony Rizzo and pitcher Zach Cates from the San Diego Padres for Andrew Cashner and outfield prospect Kyung-Min Na on Friday afternoon.

Anthony Rizzo was the top prospect in the Padres’ system after Jed Hoyer acquired him a year ago from Theo Epstein and the Red Sox in the deal for Adrian Gonzalez.

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer have traded two recent first round picks since they took over baseball operations of the Chicago Cubs … Tyler Colvin (2006) and Andrew Cashner (2008).

Anthony Rizzo was the sixth round pick of Theo Epstein, Jed Hoyer and Jason McLeod in the 2007 draft. The 22-year old left-handed first baseman (August 8, 1989) posted a .331/.404.652/1.056 line in 93 games at the Triple-A level in 2011. Rizzo hit 34 doubles, one triple and 26 home runs.

Anthony Rizzo’s Page on Baseball-Reference

The Padres selected Zach Cates in the third round of the 2010 draft. Cates is 22 years old (December 17, 1989) and 6-foot-3, 200 pounds. Cates was 4-10 in 25 starts with a 4.73 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. Cates allowed 107 hits, struck out 111 batters and walked 53 in 118 innings at the Single-A level.

Zach Cates’ Page on Baseball-Reference

Kyung-Min Na posted a .268/.358/.312/.671 line in four stops in the Cubs minor league system last season (rookie ball, low and high A-ball and Double-A). In 83 games, the 20-year old lefty outfielder hit ten doubles, one triple and no home runs.

Kyung-Min Na’s Page on Baseball-Reference

The acquisition of Anthony Rizzo takes the Cubs out of the Prince Fielder derby.

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  • Kevin

    Heck Yes!

  • ChadAudio

    Guess that means LaHair is off to Japan?  Man, LaHair can’t do anything to earn a big league job.  

    I don’t know if I should be happy or not… seems like we really needed Cashner.

    • EqDoc

      Hoyer said today that LaHair is the First baseman and Rizzo will go to AAA.

      • Anonymous47701

        I was about to say; Didn’t Epstein or Hoyer say LaHair is starting at 1st Base?

        • jw

          could have been a decoy to not let on what they were doing….then again maybe Lahair will get the shor with Rizzo in reserve

        • jw

          could have been a decoy to not let on what they were doing….then again maybe Lahair will get the shot with Rizzo in reserve

        • jw

          could have been a decoy to not let on what they were doing….then again maybe Lahair will get the shot with Rizzo in reserve

  • cubtex

    My first reaction was…..Not Cashner….but I like the fact that they got back Zach Cates. Cashner’s shoulder can be a concern and the Cubs got their 1st baseman for the next decade and a young power arm starting pitcher in Zach Cates. I had a feeling Theo would aquire Rizzo.

    • Tedtop16

      With this deal they save any expenditure they might have made on getting Fielder. Plus, I think they use this “saved money on Fielder” to unload Soriano. This year is going to be the year they bit the bullet and tried to clean up all of Hendry’s mess. Between Z and Soriano, they are going to eat a lot of salary. But, they are making a statement as to how they want the ball club to look. Give them credit for trying to stop the bleeding with a bunch of expensive, but marginal performers.

      • Kevin

        Well said Ted.

      • Coachdon

        Not expensive marginal performers, but cheap marginal performers…

    • Aaron

      I am completely with you…provided Cates is that power arm you say he is. Where did you see that? Can you post a link. Given his injuries last year and performance in the AZFL…something is clearly wrong. At the same time…he will flourish at Petco….In Na, we literally gave up nothing, so it’s essentially Cates and Rizzo (whom I am not a fan of but hope I am proved wrong) for Cashner…and I’m fine with that because I feared it would cost us Vitters at first when initial rumors started.

      Cashner is about on par with Wood and Prior of old in terms of injury concern with his over-the-top similar delivery.

      If Rizzo is as good as Epstein and Hoyer believe he is (not likely as I noted in other posts about him having most of his success in hitter’s leagues) then Cubs likely win this deal. If not, then Cates better be one helluva pitcher.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Aaron, see his comments below.

      • cubtex

        It was a baseballamerica article from Aug 2010. He just starting pitching but has a huge arm. I like this deal. I am a Cashner fan but as you say you need to be a little wary of injury concerns.

  • texcubnut

    I sure hope Theo and Jed know what they are doing. Cashner has fought arm problems but his upside is huge, from top of rotation starter to possible closer. Rizzo’s stats could be skewered from the competition he’s faced.

  • daverj

    Not sure how I feel about this one yet.  I like Cashner a lot, but his shoulder issues are very concerning.

  • GaryLeeT

    Great. There goes the only (as remote as it was) chance for the Cubs to even dream of a staff ace, for the next 5 years.

    • Kevin

      Staff ace?? Based off of what? I think every other Cub fan would much rather have a young power hitter at 1B.

      • GaryLeeT

        Based on the pitches he throws including a near 100mph fastball. You do know he came back at the end of last year, and threw lights out, right?

        • Kevin

          Exactly, came back at the end of the year! Where was he when the team needed him the most? Oh thats right, the DL! Get rid of the injury prone pitcher in favor of an every day (low risk) first baseman. Thank You!

          • GaryLeeT

            Injuries are not the end of the world. Just ask the Card’s Chris Carpenter who could show you 2 W.S. rings.

          • Tony_Hall

            Cashner is not Carpenter.  Could he become a front of the rotation starter…maybe, this year he is going to be a bullpen guy, IF, he can stay healthy enough for that.

            Don’t get me wrong, I liked Cashner, but think Rizzo is a very good return for him.

          • cubtex

            It is the fact that they got back Cates too that shouldn’t be overlooked.

          • Tony_Hall

            I think we won the 2nd players in the trade as well.

          • daverj

            And even if Cashner were another Carpenter, that would mean Cashner wouldn’t contribute much at the major league level until his 6th major league season and second organization.  As I recall, the Jays released Carpenter and then he signed as a free agent with St. Louis.

          • Kevin

            You’re reachin Gary. Cashner is no Carpenter. 6th MLB season and 2nd team before he started becoming a factor. Far from what the Cubs have time for this year. Not worth waiting on a 25 year old with a questionable shoulder. Conversation done! lol

          • GaryLeeT

             My point was that injuries do not prevent a pitcher from having a good career. That’s all.

          • cc002600

            A bad shoulder will

        • ChadAudio

          Cashner just isn’t durable enough to be in the rotation… but he is going to be an All-Star closer.
          I just don’t know much about Rizzo… except he’s supposed to be awesome, but he sucked for the Padres last year.

          • roguesqr09

            I have to agree. I hate giving up Cashner. I like having a first baseman, but Rizzo was terrible in ML last year. He was great in MiL though. Reminds me of another first baseman already on our roster………LaHair maybe?

            I hope Rizzo works out, but at this point I don’t see him being a sure thing as our first baseman for 10+ years. He still has to prove himself.

          • Coachdon

            Except LaHair was not terrible at the ML level.

    • mutantbeast

      Staff ace? Cashner hasnt even made it to one season of 100 innings pitched yet. I suspect his arm problems last year were likely caused by trying to convert him into a starter before hed worked enough innings. Then go into the cold weather and start=shoulder problem.

  • cubtex

    Rizzo is Padres #1 pospect and Cates has just begun his pitching career but has a huge arm. I really like Cashner and it is tough to part with him but his shoulder issues are a concern.

    The Padres have agreed to terms with Northeast Texas CC righthander Zach Cates for $765,000, the largest bonus paid out in the third round so far this year. It’s also more than double MLB’s recommendation of $380,700 for his No. 91 draft slot.
    Cates spent most of his 2009 freshman season as a catcher and pitched just seven innings before blossoming on the mound as a sophomore. His fastball ranged from 90-93 to 95-97 mph, and he also showed a relatively advanced changeup. His curveball flashes some promise as well. He would have transferred to Oklahoma State had he not turned pro.

    • JimBo_C

      Soriano is now blocking Lahair ….

      :-)

      • cubtex

        :) Touche

  • AFox

    Yes!!  I love Cashner’s arm, but I think he’s injury prone.  Pretty young to have such a serious shoulder injury.  Rizzo has some work to do, but his ceiling is massive and Cubs needed a first basemen.  Could be their stud 1B for years to come.  Padres fans NOT HAPPY with this trade at all.  Thumbs up, Theo!

  • Hoosierboy3423

    Looks like we got two good players in this deal.  Cashner had upside yes but already with shoulder problems, seems like a high risk guy.  Makes sense as a closer for the pads with Bell gone though.

    Another thought, if Dunn or even Soriano can play OF in the major leagues why cant Lehair?  Just a thought.  Dont think we have to say good bye to him just yet. 

  • Chuyz27

    go theo go…..

  • daverj

    Rizzo could be very good at Wrigley for years to come.  By saving money at 1B, I take this as another indication that the Cubs are going to spend big on 2 top starting pitchers next season.

    • Spoda17

      I agree Dave.  I really like this move.

  • GaryLeeT

    Everybody said Cashner had shoulder problems. I thought he had 1 last year. What others am I missing? 
    If I were to look at what Rizzo has done in the big leagues, and what Cashner has done, I would say this trade stinks. In fact, I think Rizzo will end up being a huge flop. Rizzo straight up for Samadzjia would have been OK.

    • cubtex

      Gary…take a step back and look at it objectively. I love Cashner too. If he stays healthy he could be a top of the rotation starter or a solid closer.
      Rizzo is the Padres #1 prospect and a top 50 prospect in all of baseball. This kid they got back..Zach Cates is extremely interesting. He got the highest bonus for a 3rd round pick a couple of years ago. He just started pitching and throws upper 90’s.
      The Cubs got their 1st baseman for the next decade to pair with Castro at SS. There is no way the Padres would have done Samardzijia for Rizzo. You have to give to get. At least they didn’t do BJax for Rizzo.

      • Tony_Hall

        Sorry, just read post on last thread, where I thought you didn’t like the trade.

        I agree with this view.

      • John_CC

        Totally, if Jackson or even Vitters would have been included, then I’d be a little more weary.  There is not doubt that the Cubs are looking at the upcoming FA class of really solid, young starting pitchers.  I think they will try to fill in and solidify the rotation via trade and FA in the coming year. 

      • GaryLeeT

        1st baseman for the next ten years? I can appreciate your optimism, and time will tell. Changing out pieces does at least create an unkown out come, verses the known we have had to endure the last 2 years. I guess what really bothers me is all the fans gushing over every move team Theo & Jed make, yet not one game of baseball has been played. It’s just kind of Jonestown creepy.

        • cubtex

          You are preaching to the choir about the Theo gushers. I analyze each move separately regardless if JH made a move or Theo. Unfortunately…there are alot on here who can’t separate.

        • Jeff in AZ

          On the other hand many of us are irritated with some posters bashing every move that Theo and Jed make, “yet not one game of baseball has been played”. Plus I don’t think anyone on the site is ready to drink cyanide (i.e. Jones town)

      • Aaron

        Whoa there….that’s a huge stretch you just made…Rizzo is NOT the future…just look at his minor league numbers…he was in one of the best minor league hitter’s parks in Tucson where he finally had an above average offensive year.

        Let’s see what Rudy can do with him but my guess is not much…swing is too long. In fact, just judging by minor league numbers, he’s much closer to Adam LaRoche than an Adrian Gonzalez

        • cubtex

          The kid is still 22 and has a lot of upside. I think you are underrating him big time!

        • Jeff in AZ

          I live in Tucson and watched a lot of padres baseball at kino stadium last year and the DBacks AAA affiliate before that. The dimensions are very spacious and there is a giant green wall in straightaway center. I have never heard of it being known as a “hitters ballpark”. Where did you get that info from?

    • Nathan

      If I’m not mistakin he had a pretty bad arm injury at TCU

  • Tony Spumoni

    It’s beginning to look like at least there’s a plan.

    • Tony_Hall

      Beginning??  They have a plan, they just don’t tell everyone what they are going to do, like we were use to seeing.

  • RynoTiger

    Considering that LaHair has at least show a little success at the majors (more than Rizzo), I hope that Rizzo starts the year in Iowa and then is brought up.

    I guess if Soriano is traded, then perhaps LaHair to LF and Rizzo to 1B.  But if I have to choose who starts the year at MLB 1st, then I choose LaHair.

    • ChadAudio

      That’s exactly was I was hoping for too Ryno.  Let’s see if LaHair can earn the job out of ST, and then put Rizzo in AAA to get AB’s (Baker can platoon at 1B in the mean-time).
      I’m nervous about LaHair as an everyday-er too, but let’s just use Rizzo as “insurance” if LaHair can’t cut it.

      • Hoosierboy3423

        well i really hope we move soriano and then start Lehair in the OF and Rizzo at 1b from day one.  Get Lehair as much time as possible in that OF because if he is in the long term plans it will not be at 1B.  No sense in wasting half a season of him not learning the OF more.

    • gary3411

      Yup

  • mutantbeast

    I sure hope Rizzo works out. Cashners numbers are a bit deceiving, he was very good in close games and pitched poorly in blowouts, indicating he might have problems concentrating. At least I see the beginnings of a plan to improve the orginaztion here.

  • John_CC

    Wow.

    They’re on a tear!  Marlon and Soriano are the last two likely to be moved before ST.

    It sure is nice to dream of Rizzo and Vitters on the corners for next 6 years. I hope they both pan out…

    • cubtex

      Vitters Castro  2B ? and Rizzo. It would be nice to have an infield together for several years.

      • Hoosierboy3423

        Vitters Castro Torreyes Rizzo Castillo with Bjax Soler and Lehair in the OF

  • Tony_Hall

    Excellent trade!  I would have thought we would have to give up a lot more than Cashner to get Rizzo.  Cashner has great potential, as does Rizzo, but Cashner has already had arm trouble, and that is never good.  Cates seems like an added bonus, and not sure I’ve heard much about Kyung-Min Na.  

    I wish Cashner great success in San Diego, except for 2 series a year (and hopefully playoff games).

    Theo and Company have a plan, and will keep working that plan everyday, whether they tell us in advance or not.  They have done a lot of ground work the last so many months and we are starting to see it play out, as they transform this roster.

    • Kevin

      Just an observation from my end. But watching the 10 innings Cashner pitched last year I noticed that his fastball lacked movement. Obviously fastballs (even at 100mph) need to have some movement to them. Cashners just seemed to be on a straight line. It was one of the first things I noticed when watching him pitch. Lack of movement on your primary pitch will negate any chance of slowing down major league hitters.

      • Denver Mike

        See: Bob Howry

    • Dorasaga

      Tom U brought up Na due to his cool name. LOL

      Not exactly. I believe someone (probably Tom here) mentioned Na was improving on the field.

      • Tom U

        Kyung-Min Na moved around in the system a lot last season because he is an excellent defender. He is very speedy, gets a good jump, and cuts down flies in the gaps. Whenever there was an injury to an outfielder, Na usually got the call as a replacement.

        His offense and baserunning can be best described as developing. His style is a natural for Petco Park. He can end up being a good player or just another guy.

        • Dorasaga

          Thank you. Your insight on the prospect and the situation around this league is more than I could ever ask.

          How to survive Petco is surely a peculiar case. Before I knew anything about Na, I could easily conclude that the Cubs made a great steal. Perhaps this is a fair trade, after all.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Reports from San Diego are stating that Cashner will pitch out of the pen for them this season.

  • endy23

    You gotta love the direction.  New 1B, 3B, RF, 2 Young SP.  I think we’re going to see more of this. Soto, Byrd, Soriano, Marmol, Dempster, & Garza you all could be next.  Good.  Time for Change!!

    • cubs1967

      ummmm…..maybe should be saying time to win a championship…….a change to what exactly??

      ur happy the 3b hit .151 last year and the 1b hit .141….and NO homers….

      typical cubs drunk bleacher bum……….yeah it’s a change!

      NOT……..this wins a world series??

  • cc002600

    Question:  How is Rizzo’s glove ?

    I like this trade. I think Cashner is going to spend lots and lots of time on the DL.  BAd shoulders are hard to overcome.  they are MUCH worse than bad elbow.  TJ surgery fixes elbows, nothing fixes bad shoulders.

    I feel bad for LaHAir, but oh well.  Would be nice to see him get a shot in LF, but that would be too many lefties in your lineup.  Assuming BJax takes over CF eventually, that would give you 5 lefties of 8. That’s too many. 

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Here ya go …

      Scouting Report: He’s not Gonzalez, but Rizzo isn’t far
      away from succeeding him as the most dangerous hitter in San Diego’s
      lineup. To do so, he’ll have to make adjustments after big league
      pitchers were able to exploit the length and uppercut in his swing with
      quality fastballs up in the zone. He needs to stay on top of the ball
      and level out his stroke to make more contact and hit more line drives.
      Rizzo started to pull inside pitches for power Double-A, and he hit 23
      of his 27 homers in 2011 to right or right-center field–but that’s the
      most difficult way for a power hitter to thrive at spacious Petco Park.
      Strikeouts always will be a byproduct of Rizzo’s plus power, though he
      led all big league rookies with at least 100 plate appearances with a 14
      percent walk rate. Like many lefty power hitters, Rizzo struggles
      versus southpaws–he hit .245/.312/.409 against them in Double-A and
      Triple-A–but his strike-zone awareness should enable him to hit for a
      decent average. He receives solid to plus grades for his defense at
      first base, where he displays smooth actions and good arm strength. He
      still needs to improve his defensive consistency, however, after
      committing 30 errors in the last two seasons. He’s a below-average
      runner, as expected for a player his size.

      http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2011/12/cubsnewsrumors_40.php

  • John_CC

    …and the Nat’s just drew a hard line on their offer, and Boras is pissed! Ha!

    • Tony_Hall

      You got to love that thought.

      I have said all winter, I hope all the teams pass on Fielder and his outrageous demands.

    • Gary J

      You beat me to it – it’s down to Washington and Seattle now as possibles and the Seattle ship may have sailed a while ago.  He’ll still get paid, but he could hove gotten $160 for 8 a month ago but Boras has been playing it hard line.

      I wish Prince the best because he seems like a genuinely nice guy and is deserving of a big contract for sure… but if he signs a lower cost deal for less duration because Boras played things wrong, I’d still giggle a little

      • John_CC

        I like Prince too, and he will get his payday, just not as extravagant as it could have been. And I won’t feel bad for him a bit.

        I am curious to see what it will be.  Boras certainly needs to get Miami interested or he isn’t going to get close to his demands with Seattle as the only other bidder.

        • Dorasaga

          Even if Fielder manages to sign a contract of 8 years and 160M, I won’t feel bad for the owner, either.

          Owners can still make billions by sending out bad products like the A’s and Bucs. What a shame.

      • Rcox6700

        Don’t rule out Texas once they get the Yu Darvish contract figured out.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Jed Hoyer said Rizzo will start the year at Triple A Iowa and LaHair will be starter at 1B

    • Hoosierboy3423

      Now do you think this is just for now, as the way the roster stands today?  Or if Soriano is moved do you think that changes what happens. 

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        I think it’s just for now. I’ve also heard rumblings that LaHair could play left if they are able to find  team to take Soriano.

        • Aaron

          Theo is trying to max Soriano’s value just as he did with Zambrano as he said he was in the business of keeping starting pitchers vs trading them and said he thought Zambrano would experience a resurgence…well in this case, he was selling Soriano as their main power source. All he’s trying to do is max out his value and nobody is buying it because it’s clear they intend to completely rebuild.

          My feeling is they will trade him, eating almost all of his salary and receive 2 Low-A prospects…one pitcher and one fielder that might need a change of scenery.

          The plus for Theo in this case is that he comes with little emotional baggage unlike Zambrano and he’s coming off a resurgence in power numbers that might be attractive as someone’s DH.

          I also believe Theo will try to trade Byrd to the BoSox for Bowden in light of the Cashner trade because Cates is too far away and they need more rotation competition.

          After that, I believe we’ll see him extend Garza because teams are trying to fleece the Cubs with their rebuilding efforts and refuse to offer fair value….and since Dempster is a Ricketts favorite…I believe he stays. The only other names that might be traded are Marmol and Soto…at least in my opinion.

          • John_CC

            Dempster will stick around till the deadline or maybe August. He’s a great guy to mentor a young rotation and he is the poster boy of the attitude and “culture” that Epstein keeps talking about. 

            But since the new CBA appears to have taken away a compensatory pick if Dempster walks in FA (unless they offer him 125% of his contract), they will have trade him to a contender or just let him go.  These guys do not like to let players go without any return. 

    • ChadAudio

      That’s good news.  Let him start in AAA and see where things go from there.

  • roseyc

    I love this trade we get talent and more talent….keep it up Theo

  • paulcatanese

    This may work out, it may not(clever huh?) but the Cubs are definatly starting to look like the Red Sox east.
    I am a little disappointed that Theo and co. do not see any players of value outside of an affiliation with the Red Sox and 95% of what has been done so far shows it
    So much for Theo’s proclamation that LaHair will be the first baseman next year.

    Head for Japan Bryan, and squeeze Campana in you’re back pocket,If you stay here, get used to bouncing around,in position and lineup. And you better hit from day one and keep hitting, or your’e number will come up on the trade list, if it hasn’t already.

    • BB AZ

      Remember when we were called Phillies west when Dallas Green took over. Green made a nice trade for Sandberg in his first year too.

      • GaryLeeT

        Sandberg, the throw in player. I am hoping the Cubs luck out with a few of those diamonds in the rough that they might get back in these trades,

        • paulcatanese

          Gary, no doubt with the number of guys that are being brought in that one or two will be that Sandberg. But all of this in and out and back and forth with the roster is screwing up my posting. By the time I get to say something about someone they are gone.
          It’s fun though, as daily new stuff jumps out.

      • paulcatanese

        Rizzo is Theo’s boy, and he may start the year in AAA, but will be up with the Cubs as soon as possible.
        Probably a good trade for the Cubs as Cashner is somewhat an unknown quantity at this point. It’s true, he did come back at the end of last year and threw well. But then again the Cubs do or did not have a plan for him, whether to be used as a starter or relief
        I wouldn’t put too much into the fact that his arm may go again, one would have to assume with what the Padres gave up for him that Cashner is okay.
        It’s a bummer for LaHair though, and I know it’s just the nature of the game.
        But as I pointed out earlier, from LaHair’s point of view, skip to Japan and get some money out of the game and don’t wait for a miracle to happen here, it just isn’t in the cards.
        There is a point in someone’s career that they have to take a look and make a decision on how to proceed, whether they want to remain in flux or go forward and get what they can for the effort they have put into it..

        • Coolpdxcubsfan

          Don’t you think that he could get his shot in the OF Paul??

          • paulcatanese

            Just came in from doing laundry. In regards to you’re post. He may get a shot in the outfield, and make no mistake, I like the guy,but he leaves a lot to be desired in the outfield. He takes the right routes but is just too slow. But , but, if he continues to hit he will play, you can bet on it, and thats the key. You hit, you play.

    • Tedtop16

      It’s been announced that LaHair is the starting first baseman. Rizzo is starting the year at AAA Iowa. No change in Theo’s original story about giving LaHair a shot to start.

    • CJ

      what is everyone’s infatuation with campana?  He has one good skill set.  SPEED.  He can’t hit and can’t throw.  He isn’t even a fifth outfielder on a bad team. 

      The same goes for Marshall.  We were going to lose him in a year and this season is lost anyway.  We got back a young backend of the rotation starter and potentially the second baseman of the future.

      Almost every post that I read overvalues the players that were on this team last year.  Last year’s team was pathetic.  I almost lost a TV everytime i watched a game.  The Lame duck manager should have played the young guys in Septemer to see what we had coming in the future.  I bet 90% of you would have changed your thoughts on these prospects if he would have played them.  Not to mention their stats would have been inflated based on the talent level that is playing when the rosters are extended.

      Was this a good trade?  Only time will tell.  I like the fact that Theo and Jed are lining up all these young prospects under the age of 24.  I am still waiting for them to unload Marmol, Soto, Byrd and Soriano.  We are not getting alot in return for these guys, but we are changing the culture of this team.  Long gone are the lazy days of summer for Aram and Soriano.  There are new sheriffs in town and they are getting me excited about the future of this team.

      Are we going to lose 100 in 2012?  Probably not.  Are we going to win the division in 2013?  Probably not, but i will guarantee you that this team is going to have a solid core of players all hitting their prime together.  Just look at the potential lineup in 5 years.  Everyone will be still under 30 if these prospects all work out .  We all know that they all will not work out, but Jed and Theo are putting us in a position to be competive by 2014 with a chance to win it all in 3 years if we can get some starting pitching.  

      Keep the trades coming Jed and Theo.  

      • paulcatanese

        There is no doubt, you are sold on the Cub’s future.Thats great.
        I have been an advocate of blowing this team up for a long time.
        I do not have a problem with the Aram, Marshall,Pena, Cashner thing.
        What i do have a problem was the way the young guys were played last year, in and out of the lineup, etc. Always put into a position to fail.
        I would be happy if Campana were traded and given an opportunity to play at least two weeks in a row, and not the way he was used, then if he dosent succeed well at least he had his chance.
        Unfortunatly people did not take into account what he offered with his speed, upsetting the pitching and
        defense in general.It’s my opinion that he should have had a chance, a legitimate one and then decide.

        • Cjccpa30

          i agree.  You have to give the kids ABs and chances to figure it out.  I hope with a lot of the returns that we have got back in these trades get the opportunity. 

          Stewart hit some bombs a few years ago and fell out of favor so much with the Rockies the last few years that he was demoted to AAA this year and never could find his stroke.  Hopefully a change will do him good.  He is never going to hit .300, but he could be a .270 hitter with 25 HRs and 85 RBI and would be a steal.  Considering we paid $10M for about the same at 1B last year.  

          Hopefully one out of the three former top prospects (stewart, Volstad & Wood) we have got back in the recent trades will finaly live up to expectations.

  • Zonk

    I was wondering if there would be complaints about this deal, as there have been on almost all of Theo and Co’s so far.   But I see universal accliam.

    I love the trade; you have to give up quality to get quality, and Cashner is quality.  Rizzo fits what we need more. 

    Na is OK, but seems like we already have the same guy in the minor, Jae Hoon Ha.  I’ll take Ha over Na. 

    • Aaron

      Don’t forget Chen either…he was moved to CF last year.

    • jw

      As long as you don’t take Nana hahaha hey hey hey goodbye

    • jw

      As long as you don’t take Nana haha hey hey hey goodbye

  • Zonk

    PS:  Cubs might not be done with LaHair.  If they trade Soriano, no reason he couldn’t play out there.  How bad can he be in LF? 

    He did play some there at Iowa last year, IIRC

    • cubtex

      See…that is where I have a problem. If you are going to eat most of Soriano’s salary…don’t replace him with a non outfield prospect in laHair.

      • cc002600

        Why not ?
        What if LaHair got 500 AB’s and put up decent numbers ?  You could keep him there or than trade him.

        You know what you have in Soriano, which is abysmal.

        What do you have to lose ?

      • Aaron

        Don’t agree with that…Soriano alone isn’t a good OF…even with less speed I believe LaHair would make up for it with better routes to the ball and if you have Jackson in CF and DeJesus in RF then your defense is already improved all around from last year so they could afford to stick LaHair in LF

        • cc002600

          There’s only 1 downside to that OF.

          Too many lefties.
          That would give you 5 in your starting lineup.

          Rizzo, LaHair, Stewart, BJax, Dejesus

          You can’t have 5 lefties everyday….but I guess you could platoon 1 or 2 of the OF’s

          • Tony_Hall

            Why?  Teams have 5 righties start, and that is worse than 5 lefties.

          • cc002600

            Simple.

            There are very few left handed hitters that hit lefties well.

            That’s because there are way more right handed pitchers, which means they don’t see lefties that often.

            on the flipside, most righties can handle right handed pitching b/c that’s what they see most of time

            You cannot start 5 lefties on a everyday basis against left handed pitching. You will get killed.  You would have to platoon a couple of them.

          • Tony_Hall

            I get the lefties struggle more against lefties than righties struggle against righties.  But when you look at our bench, it could be all right handed which will allow the days off for the lefty starters to be against left handed starting pitchers.  

            Bianchi, Baker, Castillo, Johnson, Sappelt has a real good chance to be our bench. All right handed.

            Plus I hated when we would put out an all RH lineup against a left handed pitcher.  You need a few lefties (that can hit lefties) in the lineup, just to mix it on the pitcher.

          • cc002600

            agree.

            not saying you have to platoon them all.

            Its just that 5 lefties is too much, AGAINST left handed pitching. You would get eaten alive.

            You could have maybe 3 lefties and be ok.

            against righties, different story. have as many lefties as you want.

        • cubtex

          I question Lahair is a better outfielder than Soriano. Soriano is not good believe me…but what I saw from LaHair last year….he is worse!

  • Michael

    I like this trade a lot. I think that Theo really knows something is good with Rizzo because after dealing him, he then turned around to acquire him wth a “top prospect” of the Cubs organization. Overall I am a big fan of the trade, though what I think people have to have here is perspective. When Cashner starts in that huge ballpark, they need to realize that his numbers will be inflated and make him look alot better than he really is, ie (Chris Young, Jake Peavy). Hopefully Rizzo pans out for us as a long term 1B solution but with Cashner’s arm troubles it was a good move for us.

  • cc002600

    So this is what it looks like to have a GM that has a plan. How refreshing.

    Love the moves.

  • Spoda17

    Awesome trade in my opinion.  I think this is a perfect example of what Theo and company have been working on.  I think this is just the beginning.

    As I have been posting for weeks, not going to win next year, so we need to exercise patience, and let Theo and company do their jobs.  Hang in there Cubs fans, things are just getting started.

  • http://theboardridersuite.wordpress.com/ Theboardrider

    Neil,wheredoes Rizzo fit in prospect rankings for us? Is he now number 1?

    • Gary J

      Neither here nor there and I know I’m not Neil but… but MLB has him listed as our #1 now and #18 in MLB (Jackson #29 overall)

  • Tony_Hall

    Ok – Let’s just say they are cleaning house and Byrd and Soriano will be gone (maybe even Barney and Soto).

    1 Jackson CF (L)
    2 DeJesus RF(L)
    3 Castro SS (R)
    4 Rizzo 1B (L)
    5 LaHair LF (L)
    6 Soto C (R)
    7 Stewart 3B (L)
    8 Barney 2B (R)

    Starting to look a little better, and at the minimum a lot more fun to watch, and a lot more left-handed.

    With our bench players possibly being right handed bats like Baker, Bianchi, R Johnson, Sappelt, and Castillo, it seems to match up well with a left handed lineup.

    • Patrick_Schaefer

      Tony —Barney is righthanded.

      • Tony_Hall

        I was on a roll with lefties though :)

        I fixed it, thanks!

      • paulcatanese

        Thats ok Patrick, Barney is so fast, it was easy for Tony to overlook that.:)

    • daverj

      Jackson will definitely start at AAA to avoid Super 2 status.  Rizzo will most likely start at AAA.  DeJesus will be the lead-off guy.  If Byrd is traded, Sappelt or Johnson will likely be the starting centerfielder until Jackson comes up in mid-late June.

      • Tony_Hall

        I know that, just looking ahead a little to where the plan is going.  I wouldn’t even consider playing Jackson until Super 2 status is past, and most likely, Soriano isn’t going anywhere, as no one wants him.

        • daverj

          My mistake.  I thought you were projecting the opening day line-up.

          • Tony_Hall

            Just throwing something out there. I figure the first 2-3 months is going to be about seeing what we can get from many of these parts that we have added.

        • CJ

          Agreed.  They are going to park BJax done in AAA as long as possible next year.  Why start the clock early.

      • RynoTiger

        I would think that CF would be a Johnson/Campana platoon if Byrd is traded and Theo and Jed don’t add anyone other OFers.

    • Tom U

      Barney bats right handed

    • cubtex

      Not a chance that lineup would work. A good lefty would strikeout 15.

      • Tony_Hall

        Against lefties you would use your right handed bench to spell the lefties.  

        Baker would start every game against lefties somewhere, R Johnson would  be close to all the games as well.

        Man you have gotten so negative anymore.

  • Patrick_Schaefer

    From everything I’VE HEARD LaHair will be our 1b opening day with rizzo at AAA

  • daverj

    Soler would be the perfect next addition …

    • CJ

      Agreed, but there is still more addition by subtraction on the way.  My guess is that Byrd is the easiest move.  Not sure how they get a sucker on the line for Soriano.

  • The Waker

    Nice trade.

    How about some respect for LaHair? This guy had a great 2011.

    • CJ

      agreed.  Too bad he was blocked by a $10m overpaid yahoo.

  • Ripsnorter1

    According to 670theScore radio, Rizzo will start at AAA Iowa this year because “he has some issues to work out.” [understatement].

    • cubtex

      Not to compare the 2, but look what Adrian Gonzalez did in his first 200 AB’s in the show. Rizzo was only 21 years old last year.

    • Tony_Hall

      Hoyer said, according to the Chicago Tribune. “He still has some development left. We feel what he’s done at age 20 at Double-A and age 21 at Triple-A was remarkable.”
      Rizzo has also overcome Hodgkin’s lymphoma. He was diagnosed in 2008 and declared cancer-free after months of chemotherapy.

      He will be age 22 this year, and has overcome Hodgin’s…cut the kid a break, at age 21 at AAA he hit  .331 with 34 doubles, 26 home runs and 101 RBIs in 93 Triple-A games.

  • paulcatanese

    Rizzo is excited to be with the Cubs and “bring this town a championship” well at least he is positive.

  • Schwimmer

    The best part of the RIZZO/CASHNER trade is that FIELDER lost his opportunity to play for the CUBS.  He could have hit 40 HRs at Wrigley and become to the CUBS — much of what PUJOLS was to St. LOUIS.

    I hope he ends of being stuck with some 5-6 year contract with the NATIONALS!

    I think Scott Boras is a greedy pig who is only focus is “the most money for the most years.”  I think there are many other “intangibles” that a great AGENT should encourage their clients to enhance their career and the “quality of their baseball” life.

    I’ll bet THEO told BORAS…”Look…if we don’t hear from you on FIELDER…we are going in a different direction…and, we won’t be interested.”

    Lastly, glad CASHNER went in this deal.  He is too “injury prone.”  The booby prize in life is “falling in love with someone’s potential.”  When players continue to have problems…better to let go and move on.

    Congratulations, THEO and JED!!!

  • Tony_Hall

    Poll on ESPN asks if Zambrano will be an asset or a liability for the Marlins.

    64% say liability

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=mlb&pollId=130785 

  • Jay from Sandwich

    Someone needs to have a talk with team theo and tell him the way to build teams is to trade veterns not youth. We gave up a potientail ace for a frist basemen who can feeled and has fail so far in the bigs. for a maybe pitcherwho has a long ways to go and a Hoyer love fest from boston. This will be a signature move for team theo. Either he will look good and justify him shelf or it will blow up in his face. I hope it works out but We should be trading major leaguers 28 years old and up.

    • Tony_Hall

      He was 21 last year and absolutely crushed AAA.

       .331 with 34 doubles, 26 home runs and 101 RBIs in 93 Triple-A games. 

      AGon is pretty good.

      AGon At AGE 22
      44PA, 238/273/381/654

      AGon At AGE 23
      162PA, 227/272/407/678

      Rizzo will be 22 this year.

    • Tony_Hall

      Also, no way we get Rizzo with any of our over 28 year old vets…no chance.

      • William Calvert33

        Agree completely. You have to trade quality to get quality. I for one love the moves Theo and Jed are making. Build up prospects and young pitching and contend year in and year out for the playoffs. Go cubs.

  • Jeff in AZ

    Awesome deal! I love it.! I like that Boras can no longer use us as a bargaining chip for fielder. I think the money should now be spent on cespedes and/or soler.

  • Coolpdxcubsfan

    One of the things I truly love about this trade is that it almost certainly takes us out of the Fielder wars. Maybe other teams will come to their senses and The Greedy Prince will be all dressed up with no place to go and Boras will be left millionsless with egg on his face.

  • Jeff in AZ

    something else that should not be understated, Rizzo hit 26 HR’s and had 101 Rbi’s in only 93 games at AAA.

  • cubs1967

    da-da-da……the man crush is here…..here’ssssssss Rizzo.(jed and theo are prob at harry caray’s right now slapping hands)

    congrats on trading our future closer if not a solid #3 for the younger version of adam laroche…….he the son of infamous cubs LH RP “sore arm” dave laroche.
    the good news………..our future corner infielders hit  .292 last year…….
    the bad news……..that’s combined with 0 homers. (stewart .151 and man crush adam rizzo .141)
    and forget the future wild thing cates…….he’s behind the other future wild thing casey weathers we already picked up.
    damn………ya trade nut job Z for a decent innings eater and 2 days later ya screw it all up with this.

    better to keep garza now………or find 2 MLB ready pitchers plus a hitter ‘cuz the 25 and under crowd just had a subtraction & mcnutt does nothing for me.

    153 at bats and he hits .141……….adam rizzo is not All-Star Castro now is he???(who had better be innocent of this dirty ben rothelisberger rumors)

    not feeling this trade………….theo says there is no 4A players…….ummmm Jake Fox is……….so is Lahair…….better pray adam “man crush” rizzo is not.(who is starting the year at AAA ‘cuz why?)……while casher is racking up 15 wins or 40 saves for the padres.

    theo’s scorecard to date:

    volstad–great return for Z
    dejesus——–why?
    travis coleman estes………there’s a drive…….back…back
    saffelt…….really……..joe wallis fans
    torreyes…….????? (tye waller?)
    sonnastine…….sure……..what the hell
    corpas……..ditto
    rizzo……..meet adam laroche…..
    reed……….yes!
    jamarillo……..who—i thought your name was koyie…….and we have 2 kids wayyyyyy better than you (castillo-clevenger)
    stewart………you hit what last year?
    weathers……..have you seen Major League 2?
    gates…….were you in Major League 3?

    I’m looking for the long term assets……….bueller………bueller…….bueller….

    @160b1bfc4a368ab33789b2a02a529a4d:disqus 

    • cubtex

      Amazing. The only 2 moves you like are Volstad for Z… who would have been non-tendered and Reed Johnson? Rizzo is 22 and rated now as Cubs #1 prospect and #18 overall in baseball…plus they got a pitcher with huge upside in Zach Cates. In my opinion…this is the best move so far this offseason.

      • cubs1967

        ummmmmm…..Casher had HUGE upside too….and he actually made the majors……..wild thing cates could not hit the broad side of a barn last year in A ball……U gotta give me something more than that……..and rizzo isn’t really a prospect anymore………..he’s a .141 no homer MLB player.

        • Tony_Hall

          Rizzo is 22 years old.

          Last year as a 21 year old in AAA he hit  .331 with 34 doubles, 26 home runs and 101 RBIs in 93 Triple-A games.   Which if you look below at another post, is better than AGon at 22 and 23 years old.

          • cubs1967

            he hit .141 in the majors……

            lahair had the identical numbers….

            what’s your point??

            jake fox had kickass AAA numbers too…….

            please…….in Tucson a blind guy could hit 20 dingers.

          • Tony_Hall

            He was 21 years old last year.

            AGon wasn’t AGon at 22 and 23.

            AGon At AGE 22
            44PA, 238/273/381/654

            AGon At AGE 23
            162PA, 227/272/407/678 

            Yet you want to right off Rizzo at 21.

            Every player isn’t an All-Star immediately.

          • cubtex

            After I brought up what AGon did in his first couple hundred ab’s…..you are working the AGon comparison :)

          • Tony_Hall

            It just shows that great players don’t start out great.

            I can see not being excited about Volstad, T Wood, etc, they have limited ceilings, this kid has a very high ceiling.

            And yes :)

          • cubtex

            Agreed. top 18 prospect. too skinny to continue

        • cubtex

          Cates just starting pitching so that will improve….but his strikeout to walk ratio was pretty close to your boy Volstad! Volstad was one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball last year. Have you looked at each of his starts? There is a reason why the Marlins would rather have Z than this guy!

    • cc002600

      Cashner has shoulder problems.  I will GUARANTEEE he won’t be consistent 15 game winner.

      Shoulder problems are death for pitchers. Ask Mark Prior how it worked for him.

      Elbows can be repaired. Shoulders ?  fugetaboutit !!!!

      this was ANOTHER GREAT TRADE !!!!

      Theo is a stud.

      • cubtex

        Of course you like the trade “Team Theo” :) You have liked EVERY move Theo has made and you will like EVERY move Theo will make in the future

        • cc002600

          Yes, I have.  He has a plan, which is refreshing.  Other than Marshal, what has he really given up ?  Cashner, to me, is damaged goods.

          what don’t you like ?

          • cubtex

            You can’t just assume Cashner will not amount to anything. He could be a very good starting pitcher or a top closer. The Padres obviously know about his shoulder issues and I am sure they have done their due dilligence examining it.
            Now…What don’t I like.

            DeJesus- Not crazy about that signing
            Stewart- Not crazy about him being our everyday 3B

            Theo has a plan and yes…it is interesting to see how this plays out but he will make some mistakes. Every GM does. He made quite a few with Boston and he will make his fair share with the Cubs. It is the nature of the business.

          • Gramps

            You can’t just assume Cashner will not amount to anything. He could be a very good starting pitcher or a top closer.

            You can’t assume Rizzo will not amount to anything. He could be a very good first baseman and display very good power.

            I like this trade.

          • cubtex

            I was replying to ccoo2600 about Cashner’s upside. I like the trade as well Gramps. Look at my other posts

  • Jeff in AZ

    t makes me laugh hat some posters here are suddenly making kino stadium here in Tucson such a hitters mecha all of a sudden because it helps to to sicredit Rizzo’s numbers. Have been to countless games in Tucson from spring training to triple AAA affiliates of both the Diamondbacks and the padres. Never have I heard or seen with my own two eyes that this park benifits hitters in anyway. First off the it has pretty roomy dimensions with a green monster in center field that would hinder hank Aaron’s ability to hit homeruns in his prime. Second the month of april still yields some cool desert evenings that will take the air out of the hardest hit mall. Then once may rolls around hitters get to deal with game time temps of about 105 degrees. Next, the monsoon hits in July and August with peas soup humidity result in a hot and heavy stagnet air. Finally, if rizzo played 93 games with Tucson then about half of those had to be played somewhere else, so I would like to see home /away splits to support any assertions that he benefited from hitting in Tucson.

    It is ridiculous to say he is a AAAA talent based on his age of 22 and his limited 128 A B’s in a non-hitter friendly park in San Diego. Funny how it is mentioned that tucson the AAA hitting mecha of the world boosted rizzo’s AAA numbers, but the cavenous padresnstadium has not been mentioned in relation to his lack of power in 128 at bats.

    • Jeff in AZ

      Sorry for all of the typos. I just got this new tablet and I am still learning to type on it. Brutal.

    • Aaron

      Think you need to read csn’s take with Stark’s review where he talks about the “band boxes” Rizzo hit most of his bombs in….sorry, but you’re wrong

      • Jeff in AZ

        Starks is wrong. The ballpark is 340 down the lines, 377 to the power allies, and 405 to center. The “band box” he refers to are the bullpens located 340 feet from home plate down the line. These are about 70 feet wide and 30 feet deep so any homerun to right or left down the line is gonna land somewhere in there even if it is hit 380 feet. I trust my own two eyes over the analyst. I do appreciate you citing your source though.

        How do we explain Rizzo’s 20 Hr’s in 107 games at Portland? The pacific northwest jetstream?

        Furthermore, even if starks observation on the home runs at kino are correct, how do you explain the. 331 average? Only 26 of his 118 hits were dingers. His 5 season minor league BA is .296 with a. 268 at Portland so I can see why one may be skeptical as to why the sudden jump in avg last year at tucson, but his power was already there prior.”Band boxes” don’t inflate singles and doubles.

        I like you Aaron and love your insight, but I think it is too much of a generalization to say his numbers were inflated because of the ballpark, including his home runs. I will conceid that he is not major league ready based on his 49 game stint at the end of 2011, but he still has father time on his side. Great potential in my opinion.

  • KevininSandiego

    Neil,

    I hope you were listen to Round Trip. Kevin Goldstein gave some good insight on trading Garza.

    • Aaron

      I would like a recap of that if possible. What did he say?

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      I was … good stuff as always.

  • BroLight

    The new Cubs Management trio are very high on this guy, and once again they say great things about his “makeup” and his ability to be a leader in changing the “culture” of the Cub clubhouse.

    I don’t know if these incoming players can hit, or pitch, or play D or not but there is certainly going to be some great team positives involved.  I mean can you imagine how much bigger that small clubhouse will seem when the walls are lined with mirrors so all this “makeup” can be checked and rechecked???

    And we won’t have to worry about players sneaking into the clubhouse to have a drink of milk, because with all of that “culture” around, milk would turn to cottage cheese before they could swallow it!!!!!