Teams Kicking the Tires on Alfonso Soriano?

According to a report from Ken Rosenthal, teams are “kicking the tires” on Alfonso Soriano. Rosenthal’s sources indicated the Cubs are “willing to pay a significant portion of the $54 million remaining on the final three years of Soriano’s contract” in order to trade him.

Alfonso Soriano could be a fit for an American League team looking for a designated hitter.

Alfonso Soriano is owed $18 million a year over the final three seasons of the contract he signed in 2006.

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  • Denio

    Please Happen…

    • Schwimmer

      If there is a GOD…surely a trade for SORIANO will be a sign from him…that the CUBS are in his favor.

  • Spoda17

    Spo’s Christmas list…

    Dear Santa…

    1. Trade Soriano…
    2. No, really, please make him go away…
    3. I’m serious…
    4. Really… no, really; make the pain stop…

  • cubtex

    That is exactly what I have been saying! Soriano at 4 or 5 mil a year to an American League team as a DH would be an upgrade for a lot of teams.

    • Schwimmer

      I absolutely agree.   Any American League team that could get a DH like SORIANO who could hit 25 to 30 HRs and drive in 80 to 100 RBIs for $4m to $6m (and, who could also play Left Field) is getting a great deal.

      That is why, with the CUBS willingness to eat most of his contract — I believe there is no question that he will be traded this off season.  They might — not only get $4m to $6m per year, but also a minor league prospect as well in a trade.

      • Denio

        When you are trying to sell something you don’t put in negatives …
        (and, who could also play Left Field) sarc…

    • J Daniel

      Agree with the exception of 4 or 5 mil.  Probably will be 3 mil at best.

    • Tony_Hall

      No team is going to pay $4 or $5M per year for 3 years for Soriano.

      They may do it for one year, but for 3 years, team would pay less each year.

      My best guess
      2012 – $5M
      2013 – $3M
      2014 – $1.5M
       
      $9.5M, lets just say $10M.  That is the best I think they can do without taking a bad contract back in trade.

      • cubtex

        We will see Tony

      • J Daniel

        Tony,

        I agree with you 100% and at this point would make the deal.  If Theo/Jed get them to take on more of the money they will have recovered some of the money spent on them!

  • John_CC

    Open question:

    Does it matter what the return is?  Or, is sending Soriano and $40Million to another team good enough for you?  Is the addition by subtraction worth that much if the return in player(s) is not enough? 

    To me, the return is important. While Soriano is no where near the money he earns and is a lousy left fielder and is blocking other players’ paths to the team, I do not think that eating $40million just to be rid of him is worth it.  If you just look at his offensive line – .250/25/80 – he is a reasonable 6 or 7 hitter on any team but without having to play defense, he could maintain a solid hitter’s line like the one mentioned.  They aren’t going to get a pile in return, but for eating $40million and having to pay only $4.6million per year, a team should be willing to give up a prospect or two. 

    • cc002600

      I respectfully disagree.
      Whatever they get for him is gravy

      They need to move on, he’s a bad player.

      He can’t run, he can’t field, he can’t hit when it counts, he strikes out a ton,  and he’s dumber than a box of rocks.  AND he’s probably older than his stated age of 35, which only means his skills will just erode even faster than you might think.

      he’s gotta go.
       

      • JimBo_C

        cc002600,
        A box of rocks sounds like an acceptable return in a trade for our 136 million dollar man.

  • paulcatanese

    Trade Soriono?, and eat most of his contract? Sounds good, if, if  they do not sign Pujols or Fielder because all they would be doing is giving money(already spent, I know) away. And then either one, Pujols or Fielder would become the    
    next Soriono contract on the books.
    Does anyone really think that either will be worth the money even five years from now? Then everyone can start all over again about bad contracts.

    • daverj

      Well said Paul.  I don’t think Epstein is foolish enough to sign Fielder or Pujols, but he is smart enough to do what he can to drive up the price paid by other teams.

      I’d think the Cubs will do what they can to clear salary and stockpile draft picks and prospects over the next couple years and then go big in free agency after the 2013 and 2014 seasons.  Votto (free agent after 2013) and either Kershaw (free agent after 2014) or Felix Hernandez (free agent after 2014) could be the last couple pieces (and thus worth overpaying on a long term deal) the Cubs need to contend for a world series title.  Hopefully those guys don’t extend with their current teams.

      • cubtex

        No but he was foolish enough to sign Carl Crawford,John Lackey,Dice K and JD Drew. But maybe he learned from those mistakes :)

    • paulcatanese

      I forgot, sign Cespedes for 30 mil, thats another idiotic proposal out there.

      • Anthony

        how do you say Snake Oil in Spanish?

        • Tony_Hall

          Soriano?

          • Anthony

            Is Soriano the last name of the pimp whoring out Cespedes, the best high school hitter from Cuba?

        • Tom U

          De aciete de serpiente

      • J Daniel

        Paul,

        Agree that it is idiotic but have the Cubs made that offer?

        • paulcatanese

          Not that I know of, but they did go to watch him work out, which dosent mean a lot, but sincerely hope that was all they did.

      • daverj

        Not as idiotic as the proposals that Cespedes may get $45 million!

    • Anthony

      Well paul, if they eat say, 35M of the contract, they can recover the cost by charging another 25 cents per hot dog, no fan will notice a $4.25 dog with a cost of 10 cents changed to $4.50?lol

      3 years at $54,000,000

      That statement is what is wrong with the system. Somebody must have had some pictures where sheep were included in them?

      • Tony_Hall

        They will never get someone to pay $19M for 3 years of Soriano, without taking on a bad contract back.

      • paulcatanese

        I agree Anthony, hot dogs have raised an untold amount of money at all kinds of sporting events, and no one would question a 25 cent increase in the beer along with it, look at St Louis they have offered Pujols part of the franchise included with the money.

        By the way, watched Anthony Bourdain,”no reservations” last night, in New York, hamburger and a beer $15.00 at a local restaurant.

    • J Daniel

      It might be the same thing 5 years from now but what if they win a series?  That is what they gambled on with the guys they signed.  It almost worked out.  They gambled, lost, and have paid the price.  But, had they won it in 2008 we would all still be partying!

      The Blackhawks gambled, won, earned a lot of grace, and have recovered.  That is good fortune, good management, and the fan base is happy for a few years.

      Cub fans might be happy for the next century?

  • Anonymous47701

    Possible Lineup/Bench Scenario?

    B.Jackson-RF
    S.Castro-SS
    M.Moreland-1B
    B.LaHair-LF
    C.Headley-3B
    D.DeJesus-CF
    D.LeMahieu-2B
    W.Castillo-C
    Pitcher

    L.Anderson-1B
    D.Barney-INF
    J.Varitek-C
    T.Campana-OF
    R.Johnson-OF

    • J Daniel

      You have absolutely no power on the bench?  Also, do you think Moreland and Anderson are realistic?

      • Anonymous47701

        Are you implying that Moreland+4 prospects in a trade with Matt Garza and a Compensation Trade that could include Lars Anderson will never happen?

        And are you that power reliant?

        • J Daniel

          I am not saying that it can’t happen but why do you want 2 first basemen like that?  Maybe one can play the outfield?  And you do need some power coming off of the bench and the bench you propose is very limited.

      • RynoTiger

        what do you mean no power on the bench?  there’s little to no power period, on the field nor the bench.  Only LaHair would qualify as having power.  Sure Castro could hit some, but that line up and bench would need to execute like crazy to be an offensive force.

    • daverj

      It’s possible, but Jackson should start the season in AAA to delay Super Two status.  Also, Anderson belongs in AAA for now.

      What are the other players in your proposed deals for Moreland and Headley?

  • Chadaudio

    I always have mixed feelings about this idea.  I think Aaron has a break down of why this would make sense (eating a huge contract)… I just find it hard to swallow.
    Pro: If Soriano is just too unhappy being a part-time player, and is causing bad habits for guys like Castro – then I guess it needs to be done.  We just don’t have a good enough team defense to “hide” how bad he is in LFCon: Do we really have another OF that will put up his numbers – that needs to play?  It’s not like we need to “make room” yet – is it?  I guess Colvin could put up his numbers?  Man… that is a lot of money.

    • Tony_Hall

      But it’s already spent and no team it going to help the Cubs out, just to do it, as you said, it’s a lot of money.  

    • J Daniel

      Who cares how much they have to send with – it is already in the budget.  Addition by getting someone in that can play.  They gambled, didn’t win, and are left with an aging, over paid player.

  • Ripsnorter1

    FORGET ABOUT KICKING ARAM’S TIRES: ANGELS KICK ARAM!!!!!!!

    Aram the Arrogant informed the Cubs via his agent Paul Kinzer, that he was done in Chicago. Fine, fat boy.Now the Angels have informed Aram that they have only minimal interest in him.
    Once Jerry Dipoto officially took over as general manager of the Angels, he candidly admitted that he had minimal interest in pursuing Aramis Ramirez.That was news to Paul Kinzer, the agent for the free agent third baseman, who told Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times that the Angels were one of four or five teams with “serious” interest in Ramirez.The Angels expressed interest in Ramirez last July, but Ramirez declined to waive his no-trade clause and finished out the season with the Cubs. Can the Halos afford Ramirez this time around?Lyle Spencer of MLB.com says the Angels, if they are to keep their payroll in the $140 million range as owner Arte Moreno has targeted, figure to have perhaps $20 million available for 2012 after signing players under their control. That would leave the Angels with little wiggle room financially for Ramirez.Keith Law states:”Pitchers can attack him with velocity, especially away where he can’t try to start his bat early and pull it, but he hasn’t yet experienced the big loss of bat speed you’d expect given his age and body type. That will come in the next few years, of course, as Ramirez (like all of us) faces that penalty for a crime he hasn’t committed, one that already has turned him from an indifferent defender at third into an outright bad one. Moved to first base, he could turn in a few productive years as a second-tier power hitter who makes enough contact to get on base at a reasonable clip. He’s also one of the most likely players in this market to go all Adam Dunn on his new employers.”

    • J Daniel

      ARAM still has time to accept arbitration.  OUCH!!!!  All I can say, and I used to be a big fan of his, he can go JUMP!!!!

  • Ripsnorter1

    Trade Soriano? Fine, but just tell me who you are going to play in LF.

    Not Reed Johnson.
    Not Brian LaHair.
    Not Tyler Colvin.Not Bobby Scales or Luis Montanez, Micah Hoffpauir, Matt Murton or Joey Gathright.

    And Brett Jackson isn’t ready, either. SO WHO PLAYS?

    • Chadaudio

      That’s exactly what I was saying.  I guess DeWitt?  But again, why eat the money, if we are just going to play a DeWitt-equivalent in LF anyway.

      We’ll have to just trust that they have a plan… and that the offseason is just getting started.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Right. THEY HAD BETTER HAVE A PLAN–MORE THAN JUST….

        DeWITT!!!

        • John_CC

          Come on man. I know this is your M.O. but honestly now, do you think that if Epstein and Hoyer can work out a deal that rids them of Soriano that they also DO NOT HAVE A PLAN? Or that they would honestly consider DeWitt to play LF?  DO YOU? REALLY? 

          And has anyone ever mentioned that the ALL CAPS writing is akin to yelling at people, and yelling is rude in a conversation, and reading all CAPS is ANNOYING?

    • J Daniel

      To be determined next week.

    • texcubnut

      You’re right, Rip. The cupboard is bare . The Cubs will have to get a stopgap free agent like a M. Cuddyer or J. Kubel until Jackson/Szcur are ready. So, if the oppurtunity arises to deal Soriano, then you have to do it.

      • Anthony

        The AA TENN Smokies had the 4th rated offensive statistically out of 30 AA teams.

        • gary3411

          And which of those players is ready to fill in in the outfield?? So the over-aged AA Smokies had a decent offensive year, doesn’t mean a single person contributing to that is going to be a big league starter (obviously Jackson probably will be who was there half the year, but not the point).

          • Anthony

            Kindly provide us the criteria used in the decision of when a minor leaguer is ready for MLB. This is a valid request, not a wisecrack.

            I have no idea what the decision-makers use.

            What has to be seen by the club that tells them he is ready?

          • Tom U

            The average age for the Tennessee Smokies was a little over 23 years old. That’s about average for Double-A. 

            Among those who were below the average were Brett Jackson, DJ LeMahieu, Marwin Gonzalez, Josh Vitters, Junior Lake, and Jae-Hoon Ha, some of the system’s best prospects. Jackson and Ha are full time outfielders, while Gonzalez has seen considerable action there during his career. Both Vitters and Lake are being considered in moving to the outfield.

    • Tom U

      Who says Brett Jackson isn’t ready?

      • Ripsnorter1

        Apparently, that’s my opinion. The K rate is alarming. 

        Of course, we shall see in ST and/or the season. The proof will be in the pudding. And I could be wrong.

        I discount the hitting stats of our AAA team because that league seems to inflate the offensive stats. Have you ever noticed how a player’s BA rises when leaving AA Tennessee and goes to AAA Iowa? 

        AA Brett Jackson 2011
        .256 BA…373 OBP..443 slugging ….1 K for every 3.32 AB (74 in 246).

        AAA Brett Jackson 2011
        .297 BA….388….551 slug…1 K every 2.89 AB (64 in 185).

        We will see if he’s ready or not in a few months.

        Meanwhile, here’s his splits at AAA Iowa:
        vs. LHP .279 BA….290 OBP….525 slug
        vs. RHP .306 BA….428/ OBP….565 slug
        He ate up RHP! Look at that OBP!

        Behind in the count: .179 hitter
        Ahead in the count: .375 hitter
        Runners on: .323
        RISP: .378
        Gotta love the clutch stats. Bases empty: .283 BA

        • Ripsnorter1

          Tony Campana hit .342 in AAA Iowa in 2011 before his call up. 

          That didn’t fully translate into those same kind of numbers in MLB. 
          AAA Campana.342 BA…..443 slugging….383 OBP…120 AB…23 K…8 BB
          MLB Campana
          .259 BA…..303 OBP……301 slugging..143 AB…8 BB….30 K

          Note the K’s and BB’s were about the same, but the BA, OBP and slugging were down.What am I saying? MLB is a tougher place to hit than AAA Iowa.

        • Tom U

          It’s okay, Rip. I just wanted to know if you had any information saying that Jackson wasn’t ready.

        • Tom U

          I also don’t think his Triple-A numbers were inflated. Jackson was hitting .292 with 4 home runs, 17 RBI, and stole 12 bases in 14 attempts, all from the lead-off position, for Tennessee before injuring his hand. 

          Jackson then came back (some say a little too early) and batted .225 with 6 home runs and 15 RBI while splitting his time between Lead-off and the two-hole, stealing three more bases. 

          In Triple-A, Jackson showed his hand was better by putting up stats comparable to the first 31 games in Double-A.

      • Tony_Hall

        Just like the people who thought Castro needed more seasoning, since he was so young.

  • Etchellstennis

    The Braves could use Soriano…

    • daverj

      I can’t imagine the Braves young (other than Hudson) pitching staff would be too happy with Soriano’s defense in LF.  If he’s traded (which I still don’t think will happen), it’s going to be to an AL team.

  • Shelbymenge

    shelby menge, I think the chicago cubs need to sign prince fielder for next season.

    • Tony_Hall

      Tony Hall, I think your posts are annoying, this season.

      • paulcatanese

        Of course Tony, why do you think he does it?

  • Spoda17

    As I read all of the posts, and great suggested line ups, one thing I see we are getting all caught up in is what we currently have to fill holes.  Let’s not forget, Theo and company WILL make some moves next week.  We have been talking about this for a few days, but I am telling you we will make some significant moves.

    I don’t think we are really in the running for Pujols or Fielder, but as one of the tweets mentioned is that no big-time sluggers coming available in the next few years, so now may be the time to sign one of those guys to prepare for the future.  As I said the other day, I don’t think we should, but I would not put it past this management team.

    Also, Theo and company will not move Garza, Soriano, or anyone else with absolutely no one to fill the holes.

    I don’t think we will compete for a playoff run next year, but I am very confident we will have a very competitive team through moves this winter.  And I also think that if Theo and company land a big bat and pitcher… our chances just got a lot better.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    According to Phil Rogers of the Tribune, Greg Maddux is leaving the Cubs and may join the Rangers organization http://tinyurl.com/cbsjadj

    • Ripsnorter1

      ????

    • cubtex

      Not a surprise. He is not a former Red Sox with no ties to Theo. It is a shame that changing the culture means not keeping any former players around. I hope we will still see Billy Williams around the park.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Is Ernie Banks persona non grata now?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Hoyer was just on XM, will have more later. One quote: Having a ton of
    conversations with teams and agents could be a busy week ahead. The
    urgency of the Winter Meetings is real.

    • Ripsnorter1

      An understatement. 

  • Anthony

    Madman drummers bummers,
    Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat
    In the dumps with the mumps as the adolescent pumps his way into his hat
    With a boulder on my shoulder, feelin’ kinda older,
    I tripped the merry-go-round

  • jeff925

    How about Adam Dunn for Soriano and a minor leaguer or cash to balance the salaries? Dunn could flourish in the NL and Soriano could be the DH the Sox need.