From the Wire … Cubs Sign Outfielder David DeJesus

According to a tweet from Ken Rosenthal, the Cubs have reached agreement on a contract with David DeJesus to be their everyday right fielder.

The Cubs signed David DeJesus to a two-year contract worth $10 million that includes a club option for 2014.

David DeJesus will earn $4.25 million each of the next two years, with $6.5 million option for 2014 that includes $1.5 million buyout.

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Cubs are trying to move Alfonso Soriano and DeJesus can play all three outfield spots. Prior to the signing, the Cubs only options for right field were Bryan LaHair and Tyler Colvin.

David DeJesus put together a .240/.323.376/.698 line in 131 games for Oakland last season with 20 doubles, five triples and 10 home runs.

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  • J Daniel

    Let the fun begin!

  • Tno13

    I like this signing. Worst case scenario he’s an insurance policy at all 3 positions. A more athletic Byrd/Johnson.

    • J Daniel

      Correct and both will be gone.

  • Aaron

    Decent…I’ve liked his game a lot in the past, but he just never seemed to put it all together. If you look at his interleague stats, he actually does very well against NL teams, so that’s a definite plus.

    His defense supposedly is pretty good, and he doesn’t struggle as much as one might think against lefties. The glaring weakness in his game, however, is he has a .246 batting average against power pitchers, while he has a .297 average against finesse pitchers. What that should tell you is that he lacks bat speed, so this signing is a lot of “ho-hum” than anything else to me, though he’s a definite upgrade over Byrd and Colvin if I might say

    • Aaron

      Also, he has a .305 avg, .409 OBP with RISP, 2 outs, which should tell you he’s clutch….But everyday RF as the Cubs say?….Not in my opinion

      • cubtex

        That is what Ken Rosenthal is saying too. Everyday RF. Not exactly a difference maker is he?

        • cryinmybluecoolaid

          Just maybe DeJesus will be the left handed platoon to Byrd in left or right.  Unless Byrd gets traded. 

          • cubtex

            They have already stated that DeJesus will be the starting RF.

          • J Daniel

            Who has stated?  The Cubs or Rosenthal?

          • J Daniel

            They may view him that way unless another deal gets done?  We will have to wait and see how the next month plays out but I have a feeling it is going to be very interesting!  This will be the first of many deals, imo.

          • cubtex

            Hoyer

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          Hoyer said the Cubs view DeJesus as their everyday RF, not a platoon player.

        • paulcatanese

          Everyday RF, you are right, he is not a difference maker. All the Cubs have done here is bring a 2nd tier player in to replace a 2nd tier player, no increase in abilility, he will not hit with LaHair, or Soriono, who by the way is chastised for his inability to play defense, but overall I believe the RBI’s and HR’s overide his errors, a team that is last in defense cannot blame all thier woes on one man,especially when he led the outfield in those categories.
          Seems the biggest gripe on him is his contract, well wait until(if they do)
          they bring Pujols or Fielder in and check back in three or four years.

          • cubtex

            I agree Paul. They will miss the production from Soriano and ARam imo. DeJesus to me is a Fuko clone.

          • Last_ginger

            A .280 career hitter is not another fuku. Just because he hit. 240 last year doesnt mean hes fuku.

      • Chadaudio

        Sort of seems like they won’t be resigning Reed Johnson then? (Campana, Colvin, DeJesus, Byrd, Soriano).

        • Aaron

          I’m glad Johnson won’t be signing (if that’s the case, though I loved his hustle). Colvin is an unknown at best…at worst, he’s a bust, and we’ve seen the last of him….Byrd should be dealt, and Campana was a great “hustle guy” with previous leadership, but the dude has a noodle arm, no XBH potential, and is like a younger (and possibly faster) version of Joey Gathright…can’t steal 1B, right?….so he’s likely AAA-bound next year.

          • ChadAudio

            Bummer.  I liked Campana as a #5 OF/pinch runner, and I LOVED having Reed Johnson on the team last year… he seemed to explode under Rudy’s coaching.

          • cubtex

            Campana could still be on the team. He is a very valuable weapon off the bench. Don’t get too disappointed yet.

          • Anonymous47701

            I wouldn’t count out Campana, either. The dude has awesome speed. Remember the Inside-The-Park HR at Wrigley last year?

          • paulcatanese

            Oh yeah, its on tape and I watch it once a day.

          • paulcatanese

            I wasnt joking I do have the tapes.

          • J Daniel

            you are sick! lol

          • Brp921

            Johnson was great in his role, and cheap to. I think he’s a good guy to have around.

    • Chadaudio

      Aaron, I’ve never seen him play, but his stats sort of look like another Fukadome… how much do suppose Fukadome will sign for?

      • cubtex

        see below Chad

        • ChadAudio

          Thanks cubtex

      • Ripsnorter1

        Only FUNKO was better. 

  • cubtex

    Wooooohooooooo! That dream outfield of Byrd, Jackson and DeJesus is looking more like a reality!

    • paulcatanese

      What is more exciting is that Byrd will be back with his custom helmut,( by the way he hasnt been the same since taking it in the face).
      And now we have Zambrano coming back wearing a hockey mask to protect his mouth, wonder if he has to wear team colors with the mask.:)

  • Chuck

    Just turned up the burner on the hot stove.

  • Aaron

    Neil,

    Can you verify any of the Soriano trade rumors out there?…just curious. I keep seeing them, but nobody seems to have substantial evidence.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Aaron, I’m hearing/reading a lot of noise but nothing to the extent you are asking about.

  • Anthony

    Jackson, Spencer, Colvin, Wright must all be happy?

    The new way Cubs version of Coco Crispies? Plug that hole, you’ll get .280/10HR

    • Aaron

      Spencer has converted to a pitcher….Jackson is a CF, at least for now, Wright is a younger version of Reed Johnson, but with FAR better pitch recognition and plate discipline (he’s more of a reserve), and while I wanted Colvin to have more of a chance last year to figure things out in a completely lost season, he has more holes in his swing than anyone I’ve seen in a long time

      • Anthony

        Colvin?

        Any idea how he went so far backwards at the plate?

        • paulcatanese

          Anthony, I think Colvin was plagued by self-inflicted pressure and after a while just gave up. The insignificant spots he was used in didnt help, the time between at bats and hit or sit again, just wore him down and as Aaron had said the holes in his swing became magnified and automatic, but no desire left in him, he should hope he gets traded.

          • cubtex

            Hopfully Colvin will be sent as compensation for Theo

          • Ripsnorter1

            No. It’s K. Hill that they want. LOL

          • Anthony

            paul, he has been in Mesa since the season ended along with some youngsters learning how to play outfield

        • ChadAudio

          He got married.

  • Tom U

    Hopefully, this is part of the Alfonso Soriano/Marlon Byrd endgame

    • cubtex

      I think Soriano is definately going to be moved. I hope Byrd is too because the outfield I mentioned above will be brutal.

    • Aaron

      I sure hope so, but nothing guaranteed at this point. DeJesus is NOT a starter in my opinion though, so as I said, it’s more “ho-hum” than anything.

      I still am holding out hope that the Cubs sign Fielder, Buehrle, Edwin Jackson, Kubel, and Cuddyer, but unless they unload Marmol, Garza (which would actually hurt the rotation), Soriano, and Byrd, then they won’t be able to afford all of them…I’d be fine with Fielder and Kubel in that case for hitters. 

      • Ripsnorter1

        DeJesus isn’t as good as Funko. For crying out loud, he’s a reserve at best. Incredible! $10 million gone!

        He once had 13 taters==in 657 PA. Not a power guy. Not a difference maker. He runs like Funko: thrown out more than he steals. So he doesn’t try to steal anymore. Doesn’t drive in runs. He’s Funko!

        And he ain’t a reserve: not for $10 million. That’s Bryd money, folks.

        This tells you exactly what they think of their minor league ready OF–they are not ready.

  • AFox

    I like the move.  Solid ballplayer with outfield versatility, kind of like a left-handed and slightly more athletic Mark DeRosa.  This will be the first of MANY moves to come.  I think we’re in for a few surprises as Theo and Co. are very good at playing “close to the vest.”  Stay tuned!

  • ldsteam2001

    I see this as a Stopgap move, until some of the youngsters will be ready to take over in the outfield.  Filling the need for a left handed bats, and he is not a head case like Bradley.

  • cubtex

    In reality…. The Cubs just re-signed Kosuke Fukodome for RF. Look at their numbers. Pretty similar. I might even say Fukodome is a slight upgrade over DeJesus. So that is our RF for the next 2 years.

    • cubtex

      Fukodome

      .262 Avg  .342 OBP  27 2B  8 HR’s  35 RBI  and 4 SB

      DeJesus

      .240 Avg  .323 OBP  20 2B  10HR’s  46 RBI   and 4 SB

      So you be the judge!

      • Tom U

        I like DeJesus over Byrd and Fukudome because he seems to be more of a team player. He has moved around in the outfield, while Byrd and Fukudome were on record as wanting to stay in one place, center and right field respectively. I also feel that DeJesus will more readily yield to younger players than Byrd will.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Translation: “He’s a good clubhouse guy.”

          Been there. Done that. FORGETABOUTIT.

      • Chadaudio

        That’s exactly what I was thinking cubtex.  I don’t even think he is that much cheaper then what Fukadome will sign for either… What do you suppose Fukadome will sign for?

        • cubtex

          I imagine Fuko would get about 5 mil per on a 2 year deal. So very similar. I would have felt better about DeJesus if they signed him on a 1 year deal.

      • Calicub

        he’s three years younger than funko, 31 and 34 respectively.

        Even if DeJesus is here all three years, he’ll still be able to speak with his teammates w/o a translator.

        Ripstnorter wont have anyone to rag on for producing the leagues fewest  RBI’s.

        DeJesus comes at a price tag of nearly 8mil less.

        DeJesus had a down year last year, Funko had year on par with what he’s always done.  Defend.  Get on Base. and Produce little to no runs.

        I’m not saying this is a great signing, but i’d take DeJesus over Funko anyday.

        • ChadAudio

          Great point concerning his age Calicub.  I would still be surprised if Fukadome gets a contract much bigger then DeJesus… but I don’t know.

        • paulcatanese

          You may have a point with the age difference, but speaking without an interpeter may be correct as almost 70% speak Spanish or Latino, no translator needed in the majors now. I dont mean that as an insult, its just a fact. As far as the Japanese players speaking english, I dont know, but havent heard one do so, with any team and here for a long time.

      • cc002600

        Yea, but can Dejesus spin around like a top and hit his weight after April ?

        LOL

        Not crazy about DeJesus, but Fukudome was absolutely brutal.
        sooooooooo happy he is gone.

      • John_CC

        DeJesus struggled mightily in Oakland last year.  His career line is .284/.356/.421 – a tick better than Dome’s: .260/.360/.399.  Not that a .420 SLG % is anything for a RF to brag about, .399 is pathetic! 

        Also, DeJesus has managed to drive in runs during his career. Something that Fukudome could not do. 

        I will take DeJesus everyday over Fukudome.   

        • cubtex

          Like I said John. Very similar players

      • paulcatanese

        Over 162 games, none, no difference, nada,and I dont know if DeJesus compares in the defense department.

      • diehardcubfan

        DeJesus will be a improvement over Fukudome and even Colvin if he returns to form.  He had two very good years in 08 and 09 driving in more than 70 runs and hitting at least 12 homers.  That is better than Fuku ever did.  Granted not by much but still an improvement and DeJesus SLG% is better too.  He did that in Kansas City which is not exactly hitter friendly.  I think he could do well at Wrigley. 

        • cubtex

          KC is considered more of a hitters friendly park than Wrigley. 2011… KC ranked 13 hitter friendliest park. US Cell(white sox) were 14th and Wrigley was ranked 23. So there you have it.

          • Dorasaga

            I know you used espn’s park factor, but that’s not how stats work. We need sample size.

            I got Bill James Handbook; even if we only use espn instead of the handbook, Kauffman (Kansas) is a neutral park going back many years (3-yrs, 5-yrs factor), and more difficult to knock home runs. It was actually a pitcher’s park since its inauguration.

            Wrigley, on the other hand, is a hitter’s park in many ways (top 3 the past two years, according to ESPN on run differential).

    • Ripsnorter1

      Dead right, Cubtex. Funko was better.

      GAG!!!!

  • Anthony

    40man/Rule5

    so this signing ups the count to 35? My guess is nobody position-wise will be selected off our Rule 5 list, and GM compensation will include at least one after not being selected. Flaherty is my guess, and maybe Colvin will also be shipped off as either comp or trade?

    The Soriano situation is the key to the outfield, in my opinion. Eating stupid money is tough to do, especially with a bat that is high-tier DH capable. If Theo put up with a Manny in the outfield, you would think he can handle this guy too.

    Let’s get off the Pujols/Fielder train for a moment and use dollars for pitching. Keep Garza, spend for another 2/3 type Starter, give LaHair his shot at 1B, and decide on Jackson after spring training. He must improve his rate of contact if he plays CF, otherwise, have him sell out for power, deal with the K rate, and corner him.

    If Flaherty is retained, can the Cubs give he or Vitters that shot at 3B? At some point, you have to take a risk with your farm kids.

    • RynoTiger

      well if we use dollars for pitching, then those pitchers better be able to hold teams to 0-3 runs a game because right now we don’t have an offensive machine that will outproduce the competition..at least not based on previous years stats for the team we have right now.

    • J Daniel

      If only Soriano could come close to duplicating Manny’s numbers and prime time hitting!  They are NOT close.

      • Anthony

        J, was referring to bad defense

  • Breeden

    One DeJesus out, another one in.

  • Michael

    Like the signing for depth reasons, hopefully Rudy can get him to the next level. Now we need to solidify 1st and 3rd. I think we should go after a guy like Ian Stewart from Colorado. Was not healthy and productive last year, so the asking price should be low, and he has shown ability with power in the past (though not for average hitting in the .220’s). Trade Zambrano and Byrd for whatever we can get. I am not really on the trade Soriano for nothing bandwagon. We have to get something in return, he still has pop and if we sign another legit power bat (Fielder or Pujols) his numbers could increase with the added protection. Otherwise I think it is silly just to dump him and eat 80% of his salary.

  • Jason Douglas

    DAVID DEJESUS….YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    wait…umm…who is he?  Did his dad get traded for Sandberg by chance?

    • Chuck

      David DeJesus is NOT related to Ivan DeJesus.

  • Coolpdxcubsfan

    I’m wondering if maybe Jarmillo might be able to help DeJesus be a better hitter. I like everything else about him.

  • The Maven

    I have always liked DeJesus, and wished the Cubs acquired him instead of Byrd. I like the fact that he was willing to play all of the outfield spots and wasn’t  “married” to a particular spot in the batting order. DeJesus has batted lead-off, second, third, fifth, and sixth.

  • Anthony

    “RE: Tyler Colvin, he’s not out of the picture but has to earn a spot”

    who said that? the reporter or Hoyer?

    if Hoyer said it, is it deflection or fact?

    What we do know is that he has been spending his Fall and the next few months in Mesa. Lets assume he is part of the Org and hits his way out of ST to Wrigley, and assume they give LaHair a shot, meaning no Prince Albert.

    if Theo goes the Manny route with Soriano in LF and Colvin earns RF and LaHair at 1B, there is some power there, and make your best defense and table-setters from the rest.

    It appears Jackson needs to cut those K’s down to at least a 75% contact rate consistently to avoid Iowa.

    Who in the system right now can put up Sori’s offensive numbers from the outfield position?

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Hoyer said it

      • Anthony

        then maybe they will give the kid a shot if he hits his way out of ST

        • daverj

          Colvin might develop an ok bat off the bench (playing a reserve role in RF, LF and 1B).  He’s never made enough contact to indicate that he’d be a starter on anything other than a bad team.  His 2010 season involved a lot of luck.  His HR/Fly Ratio was 19% … that is not sustainable and was due for significant regression.

          • paulcatanese

            I would hope you are correct, but 2011 proved differently. Colvin has not proved to anyone that he can hit as a bat off the bench or even in spot starts. The strikeouts were abuntant in that role. Its very true that not everyone can respond to that role as its difficult to do.

            That is his downfall, I hope he can turn it around but he has a long hard road to get it done. As I have said many times its best for him to be traded.

            The Cubs are stubborn with Colvin and are determined to justify the high draft choice made with Colvin, and the only one suffering here is Covin, as he is getting worse and will continue to deteriate.

    • paulcatanese

      Correct Anthony, get someone in the outfield or on the team who can outperform Soriono’s offensive numbers and I would agree. With the exception of Castro I dont see anyone else that can do that, mabe LaHair but that would be it.

  • John_CC

    I’m sure I’ll be accused of being biased by my team-Theo reverence, but I have been a quiet fan of David DeJesus for years.  I admit, he never turned into the hitter I thought he would back when he was 25-26, but still, the guy is a solid OFer.  Is he a difference maker? No, of course not. But he is an upgrade over Fukudome.

    • cubtex

      I could have put the mortgage down on that response John :)

      • John_CC

        Which part ;)

  • joejoed

    The Colvins and Barneys seemed to bulk up nice at their Camp Colvin/Buss, and that spring-boarded them to the majors, but its tough for these young guys to keep the weight/muscle on over a long season with little time for the gym work. 

    Maybe we just get Pujols to play 3rd and Fielder for 1st. DONE and DONE.

    • Bothevolfan

      And while we are at it grab Reyes to play short and move Castro to 2nd. Use Barney as a back-up to both of them!! Heck. It ain’t my money!

      • Chuck

        It’s your money if you buy tickets to the games or buy Cubs merchandise.  Where do you think the money goes when you buy a ticket to the game?

        • Bothevolfan

          It was tongue in cheek buddy! I was joking with Joe who posted ahead of me about getting pujols and fielder. Take it easy..

  • daverj

    This is a good move and consistent with statements made by Hoyey/Epstein.  I am not quoting exact words, but my take from what they have said is:

    1.  The primary goal is to be competitive year in and year out over the long run.

    2.  It is also a goal to be competitive in 2012 so long as that does not negatively impact Goal #1 above.

    Signing DeJesus for effectively $5 million per year for 2 years with an option for a third year at $5 million is consistent with the goals.  DeJesus is a good buy at $5 million per year, the 2012 team is better with him than without him, and the signing does not negatively impact the long term plan for the team.

    I have not sat down and down a full out comparison between DeJesus and Fukudome, but from watching both players many times, I believe DeJesus is an overall a better player (not by a ton, but still better).  DeJesus’ WAR since 2008 of 10.4 and Fukudome’s of 8.8 indicates that DeJesus is better when looking at underlying stats too.  Plus, DeJesus is 3 years younger and has more upside.

    I think the Cubs are going to be “in” to varying degrees on most players.  Which free agents the Cubs sign will depend on the market.  The Cubs won’t be overpaying now (given the current state of the team and farm system) and if that means waiting 2-3 years to make a free agent splash, then that’s what they’ll do.  On the other hand, if the better free agents are not overvalued this year and will accept higher dollars per year on shorter term contracts, the Cubs may sign one or two.  To the extent they can sign a Pujols or a Fielder without committing 7 or 8 years, I think they’ll do that.  If they can’t sign those guys, then they’ll set sights for 2012 a little lower in order to avoid sacrificing the future … that means adding more players of the DeJesus type caliber and playing more youngsters.

    DeJesus makes the Cubs a better team now whether they add a Fielder, a Pujols, a Wilson or make moves with much smaller impacts.  He is a good buy under those contract terms. He gives the Cubs another option (at a good price) for 2014 if he suddenly reaches his potential.  He doesn’t tie up long term payroll.  The big impact free agents this year are not outfielders so he doesn’t block another signing.

    This move is without question a step (albeit a small one) in the right direction.  I’m pretty surprised that some fans are criticizing it.

    • John_CC

      Agreed.

      But you should never be surprised by Cubs fans!!

    • cubtex

      Because we just got rid of Fukodome and now we are replacing him with another Fuko clone. Sure he doesn’t cost a lot but his production is basically the same.

      • daverj

        Fukudome and DeJesus are not clone players. While the stats of 2011 may be similar between the 2 players, DeJesus was the better player stat wise from 2008-2010.  A multiyear comparison is a more accurate predictor of future performance than a one year comparison.  Might this be a case of Epstein/Hoyer getting a good buy based on expected future performance (instead of buying players strictly based on recent past performance)?  Many (like Jim Hendry) might see DeJesus for the player he was in 2011 (similar to Fukudome), but Epstein sees something better for which he can pay a salary based on 2011 stats.  Smart move.

        • cubtex

          OK Compare 2009 Numbers

          Fuko

          .259 Avg  .375OBP 38 2B 11HR’s 54 RBI
             .421 Slugging

          DeJesus

          .281 Avg  .347OBP 28 2B 13HR’s 71 RBI
          .434 Slugging

          Fuko has a higher OBP. More 2B’s
          DeJesus has more RBI

          Again….2009. Very similar stats. They are very much clone players

          • daverj

            How about the 2010?  I noticed you skipped from ’11 to ’09.

            The 2008 comparison will look at bit different too.

          • cubtex

            DeJesus only had 352 AB’s in 2010 and didn’t have a lot of production. Look. I gave him the benefit of having one of his better years in 2009. If he walks like a duck swims like a duck and quacks like a duck…..He is a Duck! He is a Fuko clone!

          • daverj

            I just don’t see it.  If we are talking about comparisons, I see Marlon Byrd at age 31 as a similar player to DeJesus, but not Fukudome.

            I guess we can agree to disagree.

        • Chadaudio

          Just to add… people comparing him to Fukadome isn’t all bad.  I like Fukadome.  He was basically the teams sole provider of OBP and defense.  I think the signing is fine for the money… just not necessarily “better”… interesting, but not great.

  • mutantbeast

    If your getting the 2010 and before version of DeJesus hes a solid MLB player. if you get the  2011 Oakland version this signing will suck.

  • Demitri

    My wish is that he has a surprise career year like Melky Cabrera then trade him for a starting pitcher next offseason

  • Mark

    Cubs fans, get used to business being done a different way.  Read this as to why they made this deal.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/david-dejesus-signs-with-cubs-epstein/

    • daverj

      That fangraphs article hits the nail on the head with DeJesus.  It also points out what I’ve been saying on here for weeks … it makes no sense for Brett Jackson to be anywhere other than AAA Iowa to start the 2012 season.

      • cc002600

        Yea, but if they can dump Byrd and Sori, which is entirely possible, there is no reason in the world BJax couldn’t be in CF come opening day.

        • daverj

          There is one very good reason that BJax won’t be in CF opening day … Super 2 status.  The smart move is to start BJax in Iowa to avoind Super 2 status … Epstein will keep him there until at least mid-June.

    • Tony_Hall

      These are the type of moves that don’t get any of the big headlines, but as this article points out, they paid well below market value based on the normal cost per 1 win.  

      And for those comparing him to Fukudome…here’s their WAR since 2008 when Fukudome arrived.

      Fukudome
      2011 -0.2 – that’s negative 
      2010 1.4
      2009 2.8
      2008 1.6
      Total 5.6

      Dejesus
      2011 2.2
      2010 2.6
      2009 3.7
      2008 2.5
      Total 11.0

      This is just like buy low, sell high…they are paying for a WAR of 1.0 each of the next 2 years, yet should see between 2 and 3 each year.

      • cubtex

        This is not a low budget team Tony. I knew you would come out to defend this move…but do you really want to see David DeJesus as the Cubs RF for the next 2 years? And yes…he is a Fuko clone! Don’t just look at his WAR. He doesn’t hit for power, hits lss doubles than Fuko, no stolen bases. Not the kind of production a team would want out of a right fielder! He hits like a CF(without stolen bases) who will be playing RF.

        • Tony_Hall

          Actually I was completely indifferent to this move, just looked up info to see what I thought and it looks like an overall decent move.

          255/317/354 – 4 HR’s – 42 RBI’s

          Those aren’t that great of numbers.

          Whose are they?

          They are from 2010

          Melky Cabrera

          It’s called buying low on an asset.  It’s doesn’t matter what your budget is, improving your team comes in all forms.  This looks like they spent an asset, and history shows that they should get a better return for the dollars, than what they paid.  

          Is Dejesus who I envision in RF, when they win the World Series…absolutely not.  It’s a 2 year contract, to bring in a player, who does alot of things that Theo and Company like.

          • cubtex

            For every Melky Cabrera there are 3 dozen flops. The gamble that a player will have a career year after a subpar year is slim.
            It’s funny, weren’t you one who was criticizing the Pena signing? Pointing out his down year when the Cubs signed him and not looking at his previous years?

          • Tony_Hall

             3 dozen flops, wow, that’s just shows how bad signing Free Agents is anymore.

            In the past we overpaid, for 1 year wonders.  This wasn’t over paying, this was a value signing, that has a chance to pay dividends.  At a minimum he will produce enough to justify his contract.  I can’t say I have ever thought about having  Dejesus on the Cubs, but can’t say that his style of play won’t be a positive. 

            Yes, I didn’t like the Pena signing, he needs to hit 40 HR’s to make up for the rest of his offensive shortcomings.  Never liked him much, even in his good years.

          • cubtex

            cmon Tony. Pena is a sabermetics guy. A Theo type. Walks, good OBP. You should love that guy now since we have Theo.

          • Tony_Hall

            Take a look at his WAR.  It doesn’t translate well.

            Pena
            08 – 2.9
            09 – 1.7
            10 – 1.3
            11 – 2.2

            8.1 
            versus 
            Dejesus 11.0
            in same years

            Post a new one, if you want to continue, it’s getting a little narrow.

          • cubtex

            Byrd was considered a value sign at the time as well.

          • Tony_Hall

            Yeah, but it should have been a 2 year deal, like Dejesus’s contract, with an option for year 3.

        • Ripsnorter1

          Cubtex,

          You are so correct. Man alive, these guys are drinking so much Cubs Kool-Aid in a glass full of Theo ice cubes, that they cannot see reality. 

          Next, they will be screaming that I am so negative. Yet in 2011, I predicted that the Cubs would win 70 games, and they won 71. In 2010 I predicted that the Cubs would win 74 games, and they won 75. 

          Too much Theo worship for the reality of the situation. 

        • John_CC

          …I knew you would come out complaining about this move…

          So you don’t like the WAR comparison because it doesn’t favor your argument. You will just stick with Funko’s better OPB (.10 pts higher) and ignore the career .285 vs .265 BAs, the fact that DeJesus drove in 70 Runs in consecutive seasons (on crappy KC teams) while all Dome could do with men on is walk or spin himself into the ground. 

          DeJesus is not a difference maker. He is better than Fukudome. He cost’s less than his market value, and $10million less than Dome did. It’s a two contract – seat warmer for prospects likely to be ready in about…2 years.

          You are bitching about this for fact of bitching, when actually it is a really smart move. That is all we are saying.

        • cc002600

          He’s not a stud, but he’s better than Fukudome. He’s faster, better defensively, strikes out less, and has actually had more than a whopping 54 RBI’s in one season !!! LOL. Not too metion, after April Fukudome couldn’t hit his weight. I know they are similar in type, but DeJesus is better. PLUS, its for a fraction of the cost. Its fine. NOT great, ok.

  • Luke

    You said it, man.  Nobody *ucks with DeJesus.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Penrod/700030874 Jason Penrod

      Eight-year-olds Dude.

  • Jason Penrod

    This just confirms Colvin is part if the compensation package to Boston.

    • daverj

      I’m not so sure.  It confirms that the Cubs do not view Colvin as a major league starting outfielder.  He might be off to Boston but I’m not sure the DeJesus signing has anything to do with that.

  • cubtex

    If they were going to sign a 30 year old outfielder from Oakland…I would have preferred Coco Crisp on a short term deal. He has about the same amount of pop as DeJesus…..but he stole 49 bases last year! He would have been the leadoff hitter that they are lacking. Plus……He has a HELL of an Afro!!!!

    • paulcatanese

      You know it was a proven fact that Coco should have cut his hair, they figured on Billys computer that he would have had 10 more stolen bases last year.

      • cubtex

        I loved that Fro! He would have been a better version of Jose Cardinal!

  • cubtex

    Just read Paul Sullivans article and they are talking about DeJesus batting leadoff. Really? Leadoff with 4 stolen bases last year.

    • Tony_Hall

      Looking at his stats, he has batted lead-off most of his career.

      1st – 647 starts
      3rd – 125 starts
      2nd – 91 starts

      and then much smaller numbers the rest of the way.

      Being a good baserunner, can be more important than stealing bases.

    • Mark

       Cubtex, you know theo doesn’t put a lot of stock in stealing bases right? 

      • cubtex

        yes I knew that but in Boston they have that green monster with a lot of thumpers. The Cubs will be getting rid of Pena,ARam and Soriano. Even if they sign Fielder…they still will probably have less thump than last year.

    • Tony_Hall

      Looking at his stats, he has batted lead-off most of his career.

      1st – 647 starts
      2nd – 91 starts
      3rd – 125 starts 

      much less amounts at all the other spots.

      Being a good baserunner, can be more important, than stealing bases.

    • diehardcubfan

      In my opinion that would depend on how Jackson does in spring training.  If Jackson has a hot spring he will be hitting leadoff.

      • cubtex

        That is a lot to ask from a young player. I imagine if BJax does well and earns a spot…they will bat him further down in the lineup to start off.

      • Anthony

        went back and reviewed Jackson production, and it s pretty dang good, and he is an investment player(bonus), so see what he can do at the ML level. The good outweighs the bad, and when Theo called up his boy at CF, he was a speedy classic CF with minimal power, then all of a sudden in 2011, he has a Brady Anderson breakout?????????????????

        Jackson has more raw power then JE, but less SB success.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Rangers announce that Mitch Moreland has had wrist surgery. The arthroscopic surgery on his right wrist will sideline Moreland for 8-12 weeks.

  • paulcatanese

    Lets go here one more time. I have seen a lot of posts advocating moving Castro to second base. Thats not a good move for him, he is still learning the middle infield at shortstop and then move him where everything is coming to him at a different angle/ The ball, the pivot, different coverage at the bag. Its asking for a regression for him.

    If he is moved at all, it should be to third base, the ball comes at him much the same, the throw to first, pretty much the same angle, a lot easier for a fit.

    He is starting to hit for more power and has not even come close to what he will do with the bat yet, only better numbers are ahead for him.

    If the Cubs are looking for a stop gap at third base, its a lot easier to get a stop gap at shortstop than third.

    Two third basemen over there prior, Santo and Aram, Castro would certainly be in the same class and would be held in esteem as Santo was, The Cubs have a number of middle infielders that could help out at short, and would be easier to fill than third would be. Second base, bad move for him. He stays at short or moves to third period.

    • Anthony

      paul, it amazes me that most every scouting report on high school and college players at SS the past 10-20 years all include that qualifying comment “won’t be able to stick at SS”

      I would also say that the majority of position players in the minors have at one time been their HS shortstop.

      I will also state that I believe those players that stick at SS at high-level minors or MLB still don’t fit the dream world of the suits and ties wanton player they seek. In other words, they are seeking a rarity, a magician, and they only come around once every ten years or so. You are right.

      2B is all about the release and the throw from below the shoulder, the sling. SS is about ground coverage, the instigator, not the receiver, and SS also is about arm strength to make throws that are based on the needed departure of basics, i.e off-balanced throws.

      It is easier to teach 2B than SS as SS is more instinct and creativity, 2B is more mechanical.

      Same for the outfield. Many sometimes get caught up in offense, but reads and routes start with genetic ability, athleticism covers mistakes, or, makes it look easy, and arm strength, a gun, is purely genetic. That, you can’t teach. Anyone can argue that with me, but you can’t make steak from ground beef!

      • cubtex

        SS is easier to play and teach. I have played both. Did you notice how difficult a time Barney had at 2B last year. It takes a lot of reps to learn to turn a DP from second. To make a turn from short you see the runner coming at you and it is much much easier. Barney even had a difficult time getting to the bag early enough on a steal attempt. There were several times when he fielded the throw behind the bag since he got there too late.

        • paulcatanese

          SS is easier to play, If you start out there. what I mean to say on either side of the infield, when one starts out they become acustomed to the angles, throws, and in general looking at the hitter and the body adjusts to those parimeters.
          When one is at that position for any length of time it is difficult to switch, its a whole new ballgame.
          I agree Barney has had a difficult time in that conversion. Everything you are saying about his play over there is correct.
          But, move him over to short( I am not saying he is a worldbeater there) and he is smooth calm and collected, makes the plays and is confident in what he does, even when he is plucked there after not being there for a length of time. its just a natural switch for him.
          I also have played both, and I also think second base is harder to adjust to, everything happens at a different angle.
          This was the point I was trying to make with Castro, it would be a disaster for him to move there.
          Third base on the other hand is very close to playing shortstop and the adjustment is easier.
          I am just saying that if,if Castro is moved from short. Third base would be his only option.
          I am really goining out on a limb here in saying I think Sandberg was another example of someone that was switched over to second. I never thought that he was all that smooth over there, his motions looked forced, but what do I know, he ended up in the hall of fame.(sorry I felt he got there with the bat and his hustle).

  • matthew8510

    i do not understand this signing i see theyre not trying to win it next year but why dejesus why not colvin theres also josh wilingham with 29 hrs and 98 rbis or beltran i dont get it willingham would be a huge upgrade why dejesus does anyone have a logical reason behind this please enlighten me

    • cubtex

      sabermetrics. get used to computer baseball. more to follow.

    • Tony_Hall

      Maybe it’s because he is a left fielder.

      Maybe it’s his 150 k’s.

      Maybe it’s his defense

      Maybe it’s his contract demands.

      I can’t say that I have ever followed either guy, but looking at any one move, by itself, can’t always tell the whole story.

    • cubtex

      Hell…Sign Coco and Willingham and let’s just take over the A’s outfield from last year :)

    • Tony_Hall

      Here is a breakdown of each player

      Willingham – #20 ranked Free Agent

      I’d love to tell you Willingham’s drop in average and OBP was just a function of moving to a brutal ballpark for hitters, but his home/road splits for 2011 don’t support that story. In fact, he was much better at home (.874 OPS) than on the road (.750 OPS). Instead we’re looking more at an oft-injured hitter who didn’t like the tougher pitching of the American League and is probably entering his decline phase.Willingham has always been a patient hitter but swung through more fastballs in the zone this year and did little damage against off-speed stuff, a dangerous combination for a hitter entering his age-33 season. He is a well-below-average defender in left and is only going to get worse there as he ages. I’d take a flier on him as a bench bat and emergency starter in left or at DH, but not for more than a year, given all the warning signs in his 2011 season.

      Dejesus – #21 ranked Free Agent

      DeJesus cost himself a fair amount of money with a terrible walk year that can’t be blamed solely on Oakland’s unfriendly home park because he wasn’t good on the road in 2011, either. He always had a solid approach in Kansas City with strong contact rates and the ability to square up a decent fastball, but in 2011, pitchers began to beat him in the strike zone, especially with velocity. He would swing through good fastballs or pop them up and didn’t square up enough of the pitches a major league hitter should hit. His offensive decline was most noticeable with a lefty on the mound, as he hit .174/.227/.231 against southpaws, way out of line with his prior performances against them.He’s very good in an outfield corner — better left than right because of his fringy arm — but his speed has never translated well in center and I think he’ll be below average there as he ages. He turns 32 in December and probably is entering his decline phase, but I’d take a shot at him as a platoon bat in left field who could play up a little if the bat speed and platoon split issues were just one-year aberrations.

      • cubtex

        Nice! Fringy arm in right who the guy said would take a shot at him as a platoon bat in left…..and he is our starting RF

        • Tony_Hall

          It just shows that he needs to platoon, and I have confidence that our new front office will figure that out, Reed Johnson, might fit in well as our 4th or 5th OF.  

          They may be planning on him playing LF…they really can’t come out and say that, until they unload Soriano.  

          The OF plan could be 
          LF – DeJesus/R Johnson
          CF – Byrd until BJackson is ready
          RF – Colvin
          5th OF – Campana

          Let’s see if the rumors on Soriano, end up coming true.

          • cubtex

            Well if he is going to be a platoon player then that contract doesn’t look like a bargain. If you want to use the Melky comparison….he should have signed for Melky money.

          • Tony_Hall

            Being the LH platoon player, makes you worth more, than if you are the RH platoon player.  

            Melky didn’t have the same history, to command a bigger contract.  4 years 07-10 – WAR  4.7 versus DeJesus 11.0

        • Tony_Hall

          I can also see Headley coming over to play 3B.

          Infield would look like this.

          1B – LaHair (Pujols or Fielder??)
          2B – Barney/Lemahieu
          SS – Castro
          3B – Headley
          Bench – Baker

          C – Soto/Castillo/Clevenger (Hill is gone)

          When you look at it, they need power, and even  if they sign Fielder or Pujols, they won’t have a real power threat to protect him.  

          I think they have decided to go to a more OBP, line drive type (not fly ball) type team, that will still hit balls out, when the wind is blowing out, but won’t have just warning track lazy fly balls, when it blows in.  Just my thoughts, as let’s face it, when the wind blows out, anyone can hit it out, but when it blows in, they need lots of baserunners, and less fly balls.

          • cubtex

            Do you honestly think that is a good product? That team would be battling the Astros for the basement.

          • Tony_Hall

            Are you expecting a World Series next year?

            There are no quick fixes.

            I can see that happening.  What position, do you see being upgraded more, than what I listed?

          • cubtex

            No….but I don’t want to see that team for 162. Colvin Byrd and DeJesus. Wow! That is pitiful.

          • Tony_Hall

            Who said 162 games?  

            Jackson will take over for Byrd by June/July.  

            Colvin will only stick if he hits, if they even give him a chance, if they moved Soriano.

            There not going to field a team by Opening Day, that we will like, JH did too much damage to this team, to fix in one offseason.

  • matthew8510

    neil with all this pujols and fielder talk what do you think is the percentage that cubs get one of these two are they just talkin or is this a definite for one of the 2 and which one is a better fit i think fielder will be cheaper  

  • Anthony

    according to a “tweet”

    how far we have come in the communication age, a Tweet?

  • cubs1967

    player A: 2008-2011

    SB:  11-7-3-5
    RBI: 73-70-37-46
    OPS: .818-.781-.827.698

    player B: 2008-2011

    SB-5-8-5-4
    RBI: 53-89-66-35
    OPS: .842-.808-.775-.717

    player A was signed by team Theo; DeJesus.

    player B; whose stats are the same; was signed by the GM who gets shredded on here, as does the player get shredded, Marlon Byrd.

    So basically, we got the lefthanded version of Bryd.  Overpaid too; as DeJesus isn’t worth more than 3.5M/yr.

    WTF????

    Not impressed at all.  This is a JH move in player and salary.

    tommyboy & family and team Theo…………103 yrs and counting; there is NO grace period.!

    • Tony_Hall

      Byrd’s WAR

      08 – 3.6
      09 – 3.5
      10 – 2.5
      11 – 1.7
      Total 11.3

      Compared to DeJesus
      08 – 2.5
      09 – 3.7
      10 – 2.6
      11 – 2.2
      Total 11.0

      Similar totals, you are right. Byrd has been on more of a gradual decent, where DeJesus has been more in the 2.5 range.  

      If they were building a lineup around this guy, I would be worried, but I think he’s just a cog, and a short term stop gap.

      And actually each WAR point is worth between $4 and $5M, so this is actually under value.

    • Ripsnorter1

      You are correct, Cubs1967. A Jim Qlueless move…..

      $10 million gone for a reserve OF. Sure, I know they say he’ll start, but his stats say he’s a platoon OF.

  • cubs1967

    another reason for the Cubs to attack free agency, besides the 103 yr elepant in the room or the fact that building from within guarantees NOTHING;

    according to mlb.com; there is a competitive balance lottery for the draft now.  in 2012; after the picks can be signed (july); the 10 low revenue and 10 small market teams will be in a lottery. some teams may be the same.
    2 of those teams deemed elgible now are the brewers and cards.

    HUH??

    how do teams that draw 3M fans plus be deemed low revenue or small market………??

    others like the bucs, rays, a’s royals that don’t draw ever i get.

    so if the cards/brewers are getting extra picks; if not every year; but some……..yeah we had better be seeing a fat dude who is a vegetarain named Prince wearing Cubs blue this summer!!

    • Tony_Hall

      The Brewers or Cardinals will be included, but their chances will be small, unless they are having a bad season.  Just like the NBA’s ping pong balls system.  

  • Coachdon

    What you get with DeJesus is another very average roadblock for young players. There is no real upside to this signing unless your real thought is to have him be your 4th outfielder. I can’t imagine a ballgame in an August playoff run where the fans at the park are all saying” this is a big game situation, I’m so glad DeJesus is up.” I ,personally, am not a fan of Epstein, Hoyer, Svuem, or any of the new regime. I guess we are all supposed to be glad that there is no one with any history with the Cubs that will have anything to do with the Cubs in the future. Yippee!

    • cubtex

      Its computer baseball coach don. Plug in stats and pull out a name and put a dollar figure to it. Not my cup of tea either.

      • paulcatanese

        True it is computer baseball, but sometimes a virus emerges, and nothing kicks out over a level two player.

      • John_CC

        Yep, that’s all it is…it’s all computers these days! When I was a kid there wasn’t even email!  Now…

        Wait, I don’t remember now, where you a big fan of Hendry and his (fat) gut instincts and ignorance for sabermetrics?  Because that worked really well, didn’t it. And of course your gut instincts combined with your ability to scan baseball STATS online are so much more intelligent than everyone else, even those with two championships in the past decade.

        O wait…Epstein and the Red Sox just bought all those years.  Now he goes out and finds a value deal, doesn’t splurge on a career year outfielder and he is still somehow not doing it right!

        Make up your mind, man!

  • daverj

    What are Cub fans hoping for?  Fielder is holding out for $200 mil over 8 years.  Pujols wants $30 mil per year for 8+ years.  Cuddyer is seeking $30 mil for three years.  Wilson wants $100 mil for 5 years.

    The choices are (1) make a signing like the one above and then have everyone complain in a few years about the overpaid player (see Soriano and other big long term free agent signings), (2) make no moves, or (3) look for value picks like DeJesus and then see what happens.

    How are Options 1 and 2 better than Option 3?

    Someone will probably respond by saying “Theo should make creative trades.”  The problem is that it takes two teams to make a deal.  If we traded our players that have trade value (Marmol, Marshall or Garza) for their market value, most fans on this site would complain that Theo didn’t get enough in return.

    • KevininSanDiego33

      With the Current market for Pitchers Garza will get a nice haul.

  • paulcatanese

    Well Neil, the first signing of a free agent has caused quite a stir, and its a good post for everyone to contribute as evidenced by 155 comments, good job as always. And if there is this much contraversey over the first one you are going to get very little rest, but thats what happens when you post the best site, good job.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Thanks Paul.

    • daverj

      I second Paul’s comment.  Thanks Neil!

  • cmschube

    My brother called me last night (lives in Evanston) and said that there were reports on the news that David DeJesus bought a house in Wheaton as recently last month!?? I found that interesting. Makes me wonder how long this has been in the works…

    • paulcatanese

      Probably because the housing market is linked to the Cub’s success, and as the Cubs, the market is down, just a coincidence on DeJesus part, smart real estate move.:):)