Deal Done with Sox for Epstein?

Tom Ricketts appears to be on the verge of introducing Theo Epstein as the president of baseball operations for the Chicago Cubs. Multiple reports on Wednesday night suggested the deal to bring Theo Epstein to the Cubs could be leaked Thursday with a press conference taking place on Friday … a travel day for the World Series.

The Cubs and Red Sox continued their negotiations on Wednesday and made a lot of progress after not getting much done earlier in the week. Again, nothing is official but the deal appears to basically be done.

Epstein has a lot of work ahead of him but his first line of business appears to be naming a general manager. According to reports, the Cubs and Padres have been negotiating a deal that would allow Jed Hoyer to leave his GM position in San Diego and join Epstein’s staff with the Cubs. Hoyer declined to comment on Wednesday when asked about the possibility of him teaming up with Epstein in Chicago.

Epstein also appears to be targeting Jason McLeod for a soon-to-be expanded front office. McLeod is currently a VP and assistant GM under Jed Hoyer in San Diego.

Here are a few notes while waiting for more on Theo …

  • Tom Ricketts and Padres’ vice president and CEO Jeff Moorad have a strong relationship and the feeling is that Moorad will allow Hoyer out of his contract. Josh Byrnes, once rumored to be on his way to the Cubs, appears to be the Padres’ GM in waiting.
  • According to a report from the Sun-Times, Crane Kenney is a big reason why the deal for Theo Epstein has been held up. The Sun-Times reported that Kenney began bragging in September that he would be leading the process for a new GM. Tom Ricketts has stated that Kenney has not been involved. The Sun-Times pointed out “whoever is leading the talks for the Cubs committed a major blunder by closing the deal with Epstein before signing off on compensation with the Red Sox.” That mistake gave the Sox more bargaining power in the negotiations.
  • According to a report from ESPN Chicago, Tom Ricketts and Josh Byrnes’ brother have a strong relationship through their bond business and Ricketts had informal conversations with Byrnes as far back as Spring Training.
  • Trey McNutt has been rumored to be a part of the compensation package for Theo Epstein … but McNutt was unaware that he was in the rumor mill. McNutt thought his Mesa Solar Sox teammates were joking around with him prior to Wednesday’s start when they told him he could soon be dealt to Boston. McNutt said the rumor caught him by surprise. McNutt did not think the Cubs would trade him due to the lack of starting pitchers in the organization.
  • According to a report from Comcast SportsNet, the “feeling is it will take two prospects” to complete the deal for Theo Epstein.

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  • Calicub

    Ha! And here I though kenny was turning a new leaf sticking to business…

    Effed that one didn’t you?

    Maybe kenny’s days are numbered..

    • J Daniel

      He will be gone.  Just a matter of when.

      • jw

        Oh happy day!

    • Bobby P

      I can’t stand Crane Kenney! He needs to go away, just like Ted Phillips needs to go away.

  • Baron_S

    Why is everyone so high on Trey Mcnutt?

    He had a 4.72 ERA, gave up 141 hits in 110 innings with a 1.663 WHIP in 25 starts at AA

    Does someone really see star-potential here?http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=mcnutt001ken

    By his age, Kerry Wood, Mark Prior and Big Z were already pitching in AAA and were far more unhittable in comparison

    I dont follow these kids as closely as others — though he looked kinda wild at times — Carpenter was bringing some serious heat in the late innings this season (97-98 very consistently — much harder than anyone else on the roster) – i like him!

    I hear Mcnutts got a 92-94 fastball with a plus breaking pitch….

    • Bobby P

      I don’t know. But it sounds like he’s not going to be a part of the deal, so I guess we better hope he turns into Wood or Prior because we’re stuck with him.

  • studio179

    “The fact the Epstein deal hasn’t been closed reveals the naivete of the Cubs’ management team, specifically president Crane Kenney. A major-league source said Kenney has bragged since September that he is leading this process, despite claims from Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts that the former Tribune Co. executive wouldn’t be involved.Whoever is leading the talks for the Cubs committed a major blunder by closing the deal with Epstein before signing off on compensation with the Red Sox. That gave the Red Sox’ brass — knowing the Cubs couldn’t afford to have the deal collapse at this point — huge bargaining power.”

    Every time we hear Ricketts say Crane Kenney is not involved with the baseball side of things, he gets involved or talks too much. I thought Mr. Ricketts wanted people hush-hush on things. His own president goes around braging ‘he’ is searching for the GM. Kenney thinks he is a baseball man.

    “One intriguing name that surfaced Wednesday was Jonathan Gilula, the Red Sox’ vice president of business affairs, who played a key role in the Fenway Park renovations that dazzled Ricketts.”

    If the rumors of Jonathan Gilula are true, I would have to think that about does it for Kenney with the Cubs. At least that is what I am hoping.  

  • Agustinrexach

    I have to strongly disagree with the report coming out of the Sun Times. The “blunder” is inevitable, you need to have the guy committed in order to negotiate for him. Can’t treat him like a player without rights. In this case Theo Epstein is more like a player with a full no trade clause…he decides if he leaves Boston. I think who ever is leading the talks for the Cubs had to know TE was comming and making it clear to the Sox that he wanted out in order to have these “talks”. Boston always had the leverage since they own the product Chicago wants.

  • Tony_Hall

    I can’t wait for this to get announced, and for “some” of the truth to come out on the process.  It won’t all come out quickly, but eventually, we will know who did what and when.  I don’t believe the Crane Kenney talk, nor do I give Peter Gammons much credibility on this, as he is all Red Sox, all the time.  

    As far as the compensation, being done after the deal with Theo.  I to have commented as to why this was worked out previously, at least the parameters.  But to Monday morning Quarterback that is to not know all the facts.  Maybe Boston wouldn’t discuss compensation, unless there was a reason, we don’t know.  So far, all of the leaks have come out of Boston, so we have been only hearing 1 side.  

    Soon we will know both sides…and have a brand new shiny front office staff, with 1000x more brain power than we have seen in the past.

    • Jkuhn

      Thank you!

      • Gary J

        Ditto – bravo Tony

    • Dorasaga

      1000x, that sounds like the new telescope around Argentina. Maybe we can see a World Series through it. That’s perhaps all I want to see right now. :-)

  • Tom U

    Baron, people are excited about his 10-0, 1.97 ERA, 119 to 33 strikeout ratio, and 1.043 WHIP McNutt put up between Peoria and Daytona last season. He’s hit the wall a little in Tennessee, but has had nagging injuries. At 6′-4″, 220 lbs., the 48th rated prospect in baseball has the size many are looking for in a front-line pitcher. Just turning 22 at the beginning of August, many see an eventual top of the rotation starter.

  • Cloycub13

    Oh man… So here is how this melodrama shakes out.
    President of Baseball Ops-Theo (Huge upgrade from Hendry/noone)
    VP of business ops- Gilula (HUGE upgrade over Kenney who I believe is firing himself)
    GM-Jed Hoyer (Another HUGE upgrade over Hendry)
    Manager-Ryne Sandberg

    We just went from a 72 pinto of a front office to a Ferrari!

    Neil, amazing work through all of this! Wasn’t it about the same time last year, you said after the season you would take a break and would post as neccesary, and we almost ended up with daily posts. You Rock Man!!!!!!!!! I admire you and this site and believe it is source one for Cubs baseball! Thank you!

    As far as who we have to give up, with that brain trust in place I do not see how we would not be able to supplement our system with better guys than we ever dreamed of. We are entering a new age in Cubs baseball. And for those that compare Theo to McFail, the two cannot be any different. Mcfail did not renovate the entire operations, if he had we would not still be in the perverbial dark ages.

    Finally, let’s all be sure to be realistic. Next year may still be rough, but I will guarantee with those hires it will definitely look a whole hell of a lot better and feel a whole hell of a lot better. After that we will see the true horsepower of this Ferrari!

    Go CUBS! I can feel really good about saying that again. Go Freaking Cubs!!!!

    • Cloycub13

      Oh and I forgot Mcleod! Holy crap this just gets better and better.

    • John G

      I’m with you.
      Fresh Kool Aid and a brand new pair of goggles.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Thanks man. Yes it was the managerial stuff a year ago.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Boston Globe: Scout; Trey McNutt threw
    93-95 in AFL yesterday with improved breaking ball but command probs.
    Still Sox target in Theo comp talks

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Bruce Levine: Deal for Theo almost done. Friday press conf.

    • Aaron

      I still don’t understand why the Cubs didn’t try to leverage the Crawford and Lackey contracts in trade talks.

      Henry already said he basically didn’t want either of them. So that begs the question…If the Cubs traded for one of them, forcing them to take on Soriano or Zambrano’s contract, then included a “B” or “C” prospect like Jay Jackson or something, wouldn’t that solve both team’s headaches?

      The Cubs would also have leverage there, because they could turn around and trade Lackey to the Padres, who are rumored to want to trade for him as Black was his pitching coach when he had success with the Angels, and they believe they can resurrect his career.

      As for Crawford….well, that’s another story….nobody will want that albatross of a contract, so the Cubs would be stuck with a more athletic and younger version of Soriano basically but with less power.

      I would’ve liked to see the Cubs leverage their dissatisfaction with those moves, but then again, the Cubs would be taking a risk if they couldn’t turn around and unload them, so I can understand why they didn’t.

      • cubtex

        I disagree 100% on Lackey. I would not want to touch that contract with a 10 foot pole. He was absolutely the worst starting pitcher in baseball last year….and he was pretty bad the year before. There is no reason to believe a change of scenery will make this guy somehow regain some movement and velocity. He is in his 30′s and IMO he will probably be out of baseball in a year or 2 and they would have to eat the majority of that contract. I don’t want any part of Lackey.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Kaplan: As I first reported
    yesterday, Theo deal is basically done + press conf. should be tomorrow.
    He will be Pres. of Baseball ops. Jed Hoyer GM

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Kaplan: Also, as we first reported
    yesterday, Theo will be the ultimate baseball boss but Hoyer will have
    significant opportunity to make decisions.

  • Bobby P

    Bruce Levine reports that McNutt is not involved in deal. If that’s the case, and we will only part with maybe Vitters, that would be a great deal.

    If this gets done with Epstein and Hoyer, I have to commend Tom Ricketts. Now the hard work begins…

    • Aaron

      I respectfully disagree….it would set us back….right back to where we were when Hendry dealt DeRosa AND let McGehee go without a true back-up for ARAM. It’s true that Vitters is probably a year away, but you just don’t give up that kind of talent. He’s criticized a lot, but he still hit .283/.322/.448 with 28 doubles, 2 triples, 14 hr, 81 RBI, and 22 walks vs just 54 K’s….that’s making an incredible amount of contact for a 21 year old (just turned 22), isn’t it?….especially at AA.

      This is now McNutt’s second go-round in AA, and he’s failed miserably both times. He’s more hype than anything.

      • Bobby P

        McNutt has got stuff though, it’s just a matter of tweaking his delivery to give him more command. Vitters is no DeRosa. Don’t insult Mark DeRosa.

        He put up good numbers, sure. But he could have walked more, he could have slugged more. Frankly, I wouldn’t be too broken up if we lost both of them (McNutt and Vitters).

        The McGehee comparison is spot on though. They are essentially the same player, and yeah, McGehee/Vitters wouldn’t be a bad bridge guy until we get a better 3rd baseman, but McGehee/Vitters are not our future 10 years at the hot corner. Look at how McGehee regressed this year. He just doesn’t appear to be a guy that can handle the pitchers adjusting to him. Vitters can be good, but I just don’t think he’ll ever be great. Frankly, if he’s not good enough to play right now, I don’t see the use for him given the gaping hole at 3B. Bridge guy to Vitters, Vitters bridge guy to someone better… Come on, you know he’s expendable, and so do I.

        • cubtex

          Vitters is no DeRosa?? Don’t insult DeRosa??? Are you kidding me? Do you know what DeRosa was doing at 22 years of age? Vitters has a ton more upside than DeRosa ever had.

          • J Daniel

            Upside and potential are dangerous words and are how gm’s get fired. 

          • J Daniel

            Also, why doesn’t everyone wait to see who is ACTUALLY in the deal before throwing a fit?  Regardless of who is put in the deal many people will not be happy.  But IF in 5 years the Cubs have won a series and are now in annual playoff contention NOBODY (well I guess there will still be upset people) will care who was in the deal.  If whoever is in the deal turns out to be a star and the Cubs still suck – well – different story.  Most on here are worse than the media with all of the speculation without any real knowledge.

        • cubtex

          At age 22….Essentially the year Vitters will be playing at next year…..The Great Mark DeRosa was in High A ball.

          He his .269  8 HR’s with 37 RBI’s.   Wow! Don’t insult DeRosa and compare him to Vitters with those numbers he put up in AA.

          • RickinMSP

            While I was a big fan of DeRosa while he was here and still think it was a mistake to deal him for what we got in return, I don’t understand why Cub fans continue to deify a guy who really only had a four year stretch of average to above average production. 

          • cubtex

            I don’t get it either

          • paulcatanese

            You know I’m an expert on third basemen, so I would say that Derosa is not the answer. He is very good with the glove wherever they put him.
            However the man cannot and never has hit a curve ball, painful to watch when he was with the Cubs. Know very little about Vitters.

          • Bobby P

            Why are you comparing a 22-year-old DeRosa with Vitters? I’m comparing the value of 32-33 year old DeRosa when he played for the Cubs. Last time I checked, he came up with Atlanta.

            “it would set us back….right back to where we were when Hendry dealt DeRosa AND let McGehee go”

            That’s what I responded to. I guess I should have been clear in that Vitters is no 32-33 year old Mark DeRosa, that’s my bad. I wasn’t comparing them as prospects.

      • cubtex

        Vitters seems to be turning the corner and I feel it will be a huge mistake to include him. I have a feeling it is Vitters……we will find out for sure in a little bit.

        • Bobby P

          Think in terms of business sense. You get a guy that can bring you 10 Vitters for 1 Vitters. Also, let’s not make it out to be like Vitters is a sure thing. That’s what I object to. Nobody knows what he’s gonna do, I have an opinion, and so do you and Aaron as well, but none of us know how he’s going to turn out. So you trade away someone that MIGHT become a starting 3rd baseman for a guy that can bring in 10 guys that MIGHT become starters over the next 5-10 years. It’s all about playing the odds, and I think it’s reasonable to give up Vitters for Epstein.

          • cubtex

            I really do get what you are saying…..if you really think Theo is the “only” one out there that can turn the Cubs into winners…I get it. As you know….I don’t believe that to be the case. Just as you say the jury is still out on Vitters(agreed)….the same can be said about Theo. This is not a slam dunk where it is a given that he will magically turn the Cubs into winners.  Let’ NOT make believe that Theo is guaranteed to do what several could not do before him.

          • Bobby P

            Fair. But it’s a hell of an improvement over Hendry, and it does introduce modern baseball thinking on the north side. The reason I’m excited is that it’s a clean divorce from the way we’ve run this team forever, and now we’ll see if this philosophy will work. No guarantee, you’re right, but Theo is widely regarded as a top-5 GM in baseball. I don’t see a reason why we shouldn’t be excited. Sure, we can sit here 5 years from now and haven’t sniffed the playoffs once, but we can also have a team contending in September. One player does not have the impact a GM does, that’s just the way it is. Vitters is not going to make the Cubs a perennial playoff team, but Epstein might, and that’s why I’m more excited about Theo than Mr. Vitters.

          • paulcatanese

            Thank you, you said it right, Theo to the Cubs is really a prospect just like everyone else that comes over, and he is not a God.

          • cubtex

            For fans like you and me Paul…..I hope he is the second coming :) We both would love to see a World Series in out lifetime and hopefully with Castro as our shortstop :)

          • paulcatanese

            If thats what it takes, to keep a natural third baseman at shortstop to get to the world series, I will go along with it. :)

          • J Daniel

            Vitters is not going to turn the Cubs into winners either?  If I had to bet I would go with Theo over 1 player.

        • cc002600

          Don’t forget, as I mentioned above, that he is not a good defensive 3B.
          It looks like they want to move him to either 1B or OF, which automatically would lower his value.

      • cubs1967

        cut the crap Aaron…….sets the cubs back how??……becuz a 4 yr minor leaguer going on a 5th yr who hit 10 dingers in AA ball playing what is supposed to be a power position gets traded. who effin’ cares!!  vitters is another 1st round high pick that was blown.  high school kids have such a learning curve that most hitters never progress.  1 more year after this and he’ll equal the great ryan harvey; another 1st round supposed to be power hitting pick who went nowhere.

        epstein and hoyer and whoever else we get plus the removal of all things kenny crane from the baseball side(i doubt theo would leave his boyhood team unless theo is the “man) is well worth a “busted” 1st round 5th yr minor leaguer.

        sooner theo is aboard, sooner quade is NOT and the fun can begin.
        NOT to mention actually having a front office staff as it is now getting out in media blogs, articles ,etc that the cubs have always have a below staffted front office; just another “gift” from the tribune bastards.

        oh…..and no one ever again can bring up casey “joe borowski 2 yrs of fame” mcgehee again when jerry hairston outplays U and ends up the starting 3b in the playoffs……….jerry ex-cub legend hairston.  mcgehee had his borowski moment in the majors…….223 AVG won’t get you very far.

        time to get those Epstein Cubs jerseys on everyone’s wish list!!

        • Aaron

          What planet are you living on? Do you think LeMahieu and his projected 5-8 hr over the course of a full season would fit in well at 3B? Are you thinking DeWitt or Baker are enough?

          I’d much rather promote Vitters, and his propensity to make contact, PLUS power potential, over anyone else right now. ARAM is gone…face the facts, and if you were to take a poll of Cubs fans in 2009 and 2010, and even the beginning of this year, I’m pretty sure everyone would’ve taken McGehee back in a heartbeat. Fact is, you’re doing revisionist history, just because he had a very bad season this year. The Cubs had NO MLB-ready 3B option to take over when ARAM went down…Hell, they didn’t even have a versatile guy that could play all over the IF, and had to sign the midget Miles just to fill the void when he as practically limited to just 2B.

          True, Theo and Hoyer, and whomever else comes along could make a difference…..or, they could bomb, just like prospects could….The difference is, the players on the field make a difference, and when you already have those players in your system, ideally you’d like to see what they’re capable of before you trade them for a suit. That’s why I would’ve preferred the Cubs to trade a guy like Jeff Baker (whom the Red Sox wanted), or an albatross contract swap with Soriano or Zambrano going for Lackey, Matsuzaka, or Crawford.

          With the prospects, you really don’t know what you have, so it makes it even dangerous to trade them for a suit. Does that even compute with you?

          I know you love to hate on the Cubs’ system and all, but it’s much improved, and they have the most future MLB players of any team out there. And yes, they likely don’t have any future stars in the system, but they have above average talent for sure.

          Vitters would hurt more than you’d ever know.
          McNutt…probably not, and I’m basing this solely on his stats.
          Carpenter…probably not, considering he has control issues, and the Cubs are absolutely stacked with relievers in their system.

          I’m shocked to read that the Cubs supposedly turned down Boston’s overtures to take on Lackey’s contract, and call it a deal. I would’ve done that in a heartbeat, especially considering the fact the Cubs:
          a) needed starting pitching even prior to Zambrano’s suspension
          and
          b) they’ve already said Zambrano will not be a part of the 2012 team (at least Ricketts did)
          PLUS
          c) the Cubs could’ve turned around, and flipped Lackey to the Padres, who supposedly have interest in him.

          • cubs1967

            VITTERS SUCKS!!

            End of discussion.

            and I never wanted McGehee before or now…….he screamed Joe Borowski; once he flames out he’ll bust out quick; he’s basically Ty Wigginton lite.

            Vitters hurts me you bet……….’cuz we wasted the #3 pick overall; hello Earl Cunningham or Karl Pagel??………

            Theo for 5 yr minor leaguer………there’s your headlines.  DONE!!

            and yes I would of taken Lackey………he had a bad year; had personal issues going on, and with a strong mgr kicking his butt in gear; still could be useful or be launched off to Padreland since Hoyer would know well their system. (and yet another reason Kenny Crane needs to go……….Theo for Lackey would of been a no-brainer.  Plus the Cubs have the Miami Marlins big time on tampering charges w/ the blizzard of Oz so when that deal gets done, the Marlins are gonna pony up…….Z and beer guzzling chicken eatin Lackey could of been some decent prospects)……..

            get me some Theo Cubby Kool-aid!!

          • cubtex

            What makes you so sure to make a statement that Vitters sucks? Why would Boston want a player back as compensation for Theo if they feel he sucks? Face it…you have no knowledge of Vitters other than you are comaring him to past 1st round busts. Have you ever seen him play? Have you talked to any scouts about his upside? Please enlighten me on your knowledge of the future of Josh Vitters…..I am sure the Red Sox would like to know since it appears he will be joining them.

          • cc002600

             Well, wait. If McNutt would be their 25th best prospect, where does that put Vitters ??

            (This is a rhetorical question aimed at the Great Peter Gammons, the big mouth piece for the red sawwwx)
            :-)

          • cubs1967

            really–u need to ask this:

            here’s his OPS in 4 yrs of the minors:

            .852
            .770
            .717
            .770

            hmmmmmmm…….how do those look.  how many #3 overall picks need 5 yrs min to make the majors?? 

            if .770 is his AA OPS……how will that look at the majors??…….700

            ’nuff said.  he sucks. trade him.  let’s move on to getting our President and GM.

          • cubtex

            Hmmmmmmm. I guess he sucks. Why the ef would the Red Sox want this piece of s###   Let’s help him pack

          • J Daniel

            One major difference is that Theo has done it twice.

      • cc002600

        I hope we find a way to keep Vitters too, but you failed to point out that he is not a good defensive player. If you have to move him to 1B or OF from 3B, which certainly looks to be the case,  his value automatically drops.

        Just sayin

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Kaplan: Compensation will not
    include ML talent but will include value but not Brett Jackson. If it’s
    Trey McNutt, oh well. Price of doing biz!

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Boston Globe: Sox GM (to be) Ben
    Cherington said reports of a deal between Sox and Cubs on Epstein are
    “premature. Haven’t heard anything this morning.”

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil
  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Boston Globe: Nick Cafardo

    Just asked John Henry if Theo deal was close to being done. “No, not close,” he responded.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Ken Rosenthal:
    Source: Theo to Cubs close, as first reported by Bruce Levine
    of ESPNChicago. Final details to be worked out, but that is it.

  • roseyc

    Everybody acts like that we are going to contend next year with the current system it’s not  going to happen. Our Farm system is and has been overrated we didn’t have a pitching prospect to bring up and start. I know Quade was in the way but if management says pitch this guy Quade would have soldiered up and pitched him. So I give Theo a chance to do what he has to do to right this organization

    • Tony_Hall

      Where are the everyone that are saying we are going to contend next year?  They sure aren’t on this site.

      • cubs1967

        anything is possible………the brewers sure won’t win the division after Prince leaves.  and did anyone think the Cards would make the playoffs much less be 1 up in the Series??…….

        sign Prince, make some other shrewd short term moves; never say never.(win the division at least; Series NO!)

        it’s only been 103 yrs……..

        what flavor is Theo Cubby Kool-aid anyway??……..blue raspberry(cubs-bosox mix)

        • Tony_Hall

          I agree anything is possible, just not expected.
          I am going to start drinking all flavors of Cubbie kook aide again.

        • cc002600

          Before you chug all that Theo kool-aid, I would like to remind you of all the “messiahs” that we’ve had in the past that did absolutely nuttin. 

          McFail
          Dallas Green
          Dusty
          Lou
          Don Baylor

          So you if think Boy wonder is gonna come here and work miracles, I would  relax.   This guarantees absolutely nothing.  

          I find it amusing how everyone likes reference all the failed prospects that we’ve had to justify handing over any prospects to Red sox to just “get it done”, but they (especially you) seem to forget  about all the failed GM’s and managers that we’ve had that were supposed to take us to the promised land, too. 

          • cubs1967

            somebody will be the GM to win a Cubs world series……..so why not Theo??

            mcfail was never as good as advertised; and he let ed lynch screw things up.  dallas green was cut short too soon.  the others were managers.

            remember……since 2003 cubs been in playoffs 3 times; most since their run in the ’30s and 40s. so lou and dusty did some good.

            i’m assuming theo will sign off on hoyer’s deals; unlike mcfail who seemed to be “out of touch” with things.

            ya gotta believe this will end…….or we are all gonna die broken hearted like jack, harry and ronnie.  at least theo has a history of winning and is in touch w/ today’s baseball sabermetrics.  better than if ned colletti was coming here.

            hey starbucks…………ya got a giime once theo is here w/ some type of theo wrigleyville blend…….don’t low it!!

          • cubtex

            And Theo will be as good as advertised?? Man….give me some of that what you are drinking!

      • paulcatanese

        It would be easy to contend, just go all in, mortgage the Cubs and sign Fielder for first base and Pujols for third and all the Cub worries are over.
         Hah, they still would need pitching, Cf,LF, RF,C,etc.

  • Griffnbell

    So once this gets done and we have Jed and Theo, what do you think the first trade, release, or FA signing they will make? I’m just curious to see how they attack this problem of mediocrity. Do they go young or do they go with a mix of young and old?

    • Tony_Hall

      Quade being fired which leads to Sandberg being hired.

      • cubtex

        Yes! That should be the first move before looking to trade Z.

    • cubtex

      I am sure they will try and move Z. That has to be priority #1

    • cubs1967

      first the clueless bald one is gone w/ ryno OR bud black?? new rumor.

      followed by Z going to the tampering marlins.

      then Prince!

    • Tom U

      I’ll disagree with you all. The first order of business should be whether to retain Tim Wilken or bring in another scouting director. There haven’t been a lot of vacancies for a field manager, so firing the Cubs manager should not take precedent. 

  • jw

    It just dawned on me that this was Ricketts plan all along…he was singing the praises of Boston from the very beginning and there are a lot of ways to make your intentions known as to personnel without getting caught interfering…As to his choice of Hendry and Hendry’s choice of Quade, Ricketts may have know Theo was two years away from being available…gee whiz that is the same contact expiration as Hendry/Quade…Ricketts saw deterioration of the brand and revenue with Hendry’s awful team and could not wait another year to pull the trigger…anyhow seems plausible in light of the recent events

    I am excited to get a young, professional front office that is not from the good old boy network that might have vision instead of the finesse and conceptual ability of a blacksmith.

    I hope the next breaking news after the hire of Epstein and Hoyer is the dismissal of Clown Kenney.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Boston Herald:Michael Silverman Red Sox source: “Fundamental divide” still exists with Cubs over Theo comp talks. Nothing close, no recent progress. bit.ly/5A1NIY

    • Tony_Hall

      Neil – With all the reports of this being announced tomorrow, and all but done, do you think this is a way for the Red Sox people to, publicly, try to put some pressure on the Cubs to give in to the last of the issues being discussed.

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Yes I do.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Kaplan: Here is latest: Deal not yet signed off by BoSox. No presser yet
    scheduled but deal will get done. Still hoping for Fri but not
    guaranteed.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Carrie Muskat: Theo-to-Cubs talks ongoing, as they were last week when deal announced. No news conf on sked, no players exchanged.

  • Coolpdxcubsfan

    (sigh)
    I swore that I was going to lay off the blue Kool Aid and take off the blue baseball glasses, but DAM!, here I go again.
    Theo, Hoyer, Sandberg, Fielder, maybe a decent pitcher or two, our lazy non-hustling,  selective hitting 3b gone. A bunch of bad contracts gone.
    WOW!
    The raspberry flavored blue Kool Aid really looks  delicious.

  • Anonymous47701

    If Theo is going to create a new sabermetrics computer for the Cubs,since he cannot bring Carmine to Wrigley Field, I wonder if this name would be a nice fit……

    JOSHUA!

    • daverj

      Love the reference! … “Shall we play a game?”

      • Anonymous47701

        “How about a nice game of Chess?”

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Boston Globe: Extra Bases blog: Sox don’t buy reports that Theo is a done deal -http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/sox_dont_buy_re.html?camp=misc:on:twit:cafardo

  • J Daniel

    Time to tell the Sox play time is over.  Here is the offer – take it or leave it – and then get up and leave.  If they don’t like it we will go without him this year.  Let’s see who folds?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From ESPN Boston:Gordon Edes

    It’s done, according to source: Hoyer to join Theo as GM of Cubs, Byrnes new GM in SD

    • Zippy2212

      The funniest thing about all this is when a Cub’s reporter breaks the story the Sox reporters so No Way.  They are wrong.  No they are saying it is done.  Only the Cubbies!

    • John G

      This is all becoming silly at this point. It’s gonna happen (I didn’t use those words did I?) so let’s just sit back and watch the World Series. I hate to root for the Cardinals but gee whiz, the way they outclassed the Brewers…and I really prefer to root for the National League, unless its the Tigers.

      Did anyone catch that Chevy ad last night with Ray Charles singing America the Beautiful? It gave me goosebumps. And the way they laid those old pictures over the current view was way cool. And that was Tim Allen’s voiceover too. It’ll be on again tonight.

      • paulcatanese

        Agree John, I am a National League fan and root for the National League,cant help its the Cards. The other thing I really liked last night was the superimposed black and white heat image of the heat on the ball and Pujols foot where the ball hit. Instant replay is on the way, no dispute when and where the ball touches.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    The deal appears to be done …. Theo Esptein as the Cubs President of Baseball Operations and Jed Hoyer will be the Cubs’ new GM. But again nothing is official and I will not post until a press conference is announced.

    No word on the compensation going to the Sox … Or the Padres, if any.

    • Calicub

      Well I guess we’ll see who caved tommorow..

      I can imagine this last week has given you plenty of time to think of a great headline.

      I anxiously await this being official.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From ESPN Boston: Gordon Edes

    To clarify: Hoyer as Cubs
    GM, Byrnes as Padres GM is done. Epstein to Chi not yet resolved per
    compensation. Review of medicals remains

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    According to Bruce Levine, the Padres are not asking for compensation from Cubs for Jed Hoyer. Jeff Moorad wanted to move Josh Byrnes up to be GM of the Padres.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    According to Bruce Levine, Jason McLeod will also leave Padres for new Cubs front office

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    According to multiple reports, all that is left is the medicals on the players going from the Cubs to the Red Sox. Levine is reporting that Trey McNutt, Brett Jackson and Matt Szczur are not in the deal. Levine mentioned Jay Jackson, Chris Carpenter or Josh Vitters could be in the deal. Nothing confirmed.

    • cc002600

       I hope we find a way to keep Carpenter
      This guy has a great arm

  • Rbmercer

    Neil, with all this back and forth compensation stuff that has been going, it was pretty much a given at some point that we would end up with Theo and either Hoyer or Byrnes joining him.

    BUT, during this time, have you been hearing ANYTHING about a manager?? What if anything do you know and what does your gut tell you about the chances we will get Ryno???

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      The managerial rumors/rumblings have been pretty quiet over the last week for obvious reasons. The only name I keep hearing outside of Sandberg is DeMarlo Hale, the bench coach for the Red Sox.

      From everything I’ve read/heard, Epstein was/is high on Sandberg and that would not surprise me if that is the direction they go in.

      Those rumors and reports should kick into high gear once Epstein sets his front office staff and officially names Jed Hoyer his GM.

  • cc002600

    Isn’t it interesting how the Padres do not want compensation for Hoyer, who is under contract for 2 more years,  but the arrogant Red Sox have been whining for 2 weeks about getting something of value in return for Theo ?  It just goes to show how arrogant they really are.

    And gee, since their farm system is sooooooo loaded, according to big mouth Peter Gammons, you would think there wouldn’t be such a need for any more prospects, would there ?   hmmmm.

    I have lost all respect for the Red saaaawwwx and their arrogant owners.

  • Skeldor

    I don’t get this….DON’T GIVE THEM ANYTHING BUT CASH!!!!!!  They already have their GM so wait a frigging year to get Theo.  Tell Boston here is 5 million take it or leave it or whatever the price may be.  I wouldn’t give a player up for a guy who is available in a year especially since we just got a GM.  Boston is putting up a smoke screen b/c they are in fact a position of weekness.

    • Skeldor

      They are in fact in a position of weakness.  Can’t type. 

    • Calicub

      I agree don’t give them anything… but the away things are going right now its pretty clear someone is going.  Hopefully they moved on from Vitters.  I would be fine with Carp.

      There is a lack of a real option at 3rd in the minors.  NO Vitters.

      There are plenty of RP in the system.  Carp has power but thats all I see..

      • Jay from sandwich

        This year number draft pick plays SS but is Projected to be a Thrid Basemen, with power

        • Calicub

          As is Castro.  And unless it is decided to move him to the hot corner, Vitters is the closest to MLB production in the system.  DJ could work and has good clutch numbers but is a 2Bman not to mention lacks the power some like out of a 3Bman. Baez would be great but he is not ready for the majors this upcoming season as Vitters quite possibly could be come June or July, heck maybe even ST if his ST and offseason are good why not? 

          Trading Vitters could turn out great but it could turn out a disaster.  The rumor has been from the begining that the Sox wanted a future Youkilis once they were turned down for other players.  Possibly the reason the negotiation took so long was that TR is so reluctant to move on from Trey and Vitters and hopefully it was not the Cubs who caved.  Hopefully.

          • Calicub

            Although a line up with Fonzie BJAX Vitters and god forbid Pena would be a strikeout machine.  Throw Colvin in RF and things could get interesting…

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs in AFL (10/20): Josh Vitters (DH): 1-for-3, BB, R. Vitters was only Cub that played in Mesa’s 4-1 victory.

    • cubtex

      Normally that would mean that Vitters is not part of the compensation. What do you think Neil?

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Under typical negotiations, the answer would be yes but as you know this has been anything but typical.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil
    • Calicub

      I read that!  …as if the stars weren’t already aligning huh?

      The Phillies are definitely the only team that I think could have challenged the Cubs for Ryne Sandberg.

      • Anthony

        ROPE A DOPE

        This crup is funny. I say, since each ML Cub player is subjected to a daily roast, let alone the kids in the minors workin hard chasin a dream, give the BOSOX the entire 40 man roster, and the entire farm system, and get precious Theo on board.

        You see, THEO can hit, has 6.4 speed, a rocket throwin arm from RF, and can rake better than Roy Hobbs. The SUIT can actually play, and cover all 9 defensive positions, and will be happy to bat each time in the order with a stable of designated runners??????????

        • Anthony

          I forgot to mention the rubber arm, tops out at 115 mph, usually works the fastball at 102-109, has 4 different clock curves, 3 sliders, 2 splitters, a straight change, circle change, and a sinker that accentuates gravity, all wrapped up in cheap guitar chords, a Best Cut hair style, and puffery.

          That guy throws like a girl??

  • Tom U

    An Update:

    Team USA defeated the Dominican Republic 20-2 in the Pan-Am games. Brett Jackson and Jeff Beliveau did not play.

  • J Daniel

    This whole situation is a complete joke!  All I can say is REALLY????

  • Agustinrexach

    Cant open the new page neil. Is it just me?

    • Rbmercer

      I can’t open a new one either…so, no updates for me since last night. Anyone know what’s wrong?

      • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

        Having trouble with the mobile version, are you trying to open on a mobile device?

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Agustin, are you trying to open on a mobile device?