Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Reds – 09/14/11

Game One Hundred Forty-Nine: Cubs (65-83) vs. Reds (72-76)
Game Time – 6:10pm CDT
Coverage – TV: WCIU – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 187
Location – Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati

Casey Coleman (2-7, 6.65/1.84) vs. Johnny Cueto (9-5, 2.36/1.09)

Weather permitting … The Cubs are 3-2 on their current seven-game road trip with two remaining in the Queen City. Q’s Cubs will try to get back on track behind Casey Coleman tonight. Coleman needs to put together a strong finish to what has been a disappointing year for the young right-hander.

After scoring 12 runs on 16 hits in the opener on Monday night, the Cubs were shut down by Mike Leake in game two … and it will not get any easier for offense tonight with Johnny Cueto on the mound.

Starlin Castro’s hit streak came to an end Tuesday night and he enters play tonight just 10 hits shy of 200 in his first full season at the big league level (190). Castro is hoping to inch closer to the mark over the next two games so he can record #200 at Wrigley during the final homestand of the season.

Will Mike Quade run out a lineup full of veterans tonight or mix in enough of the kids to give the team a boost? Tyler Colvin sat against a righty on Tuesday, one he had four career home runs against. With Alfonso Soriano’s career numbers against Johnny Cueto it is unlikely that Soriano will not start in left field.

In other newsThe Tennessee Smokies open the Southern League Championship Series tonight in Mobile against the BayBears. Marco Carrillo will take the ball for Brian Harper in game one. The second game of the series is set for Thursday in Mobile with game three taking place at Smokies Park on Saturday night. The best of five series gets underway at 7:05pm CDT.

The Cubs play their final game of the season two weeks from today in San Diego … and tonight it all starts with Casey Coleman.

Casey Coleman is coming off a rough start against the Mets last Friday night. Coleman lasted only five innings and allowed four runs on eight hits with no walks and five strikeouts. The Cubs gave Casey an early lead and he could not hold it. The biggest positive from his start against the Mets was he did not issue a free pass … only the second start of his big league career that Coleman did not walk a batter.

Coleman has two no decisions in his last two starts (4.09 ERA and a 1.55 WHIP) and is 0-3 in his last five starts with a 5.74 ERA and a 1.69 WHIP.

Tonight will be Coleman’s second start of the year against the Reds. One of Casey’s better starts of the season came against Cincinnati back on May 7 at Wrigley. Coleman received a no decision in a 3-2 Cubs win and he allowed two runs on four hits in six innings with three walks and six strikeouts.

Coleman does not have a record in three career games, two starts, against the Reds with a 4.80 ERA and a 1.27 WHIP … at Great American, no record in one start with a 6.00 ERA and a 1.33 WHIP (four runs on eight hits with no walks and two strikeouts in six innings).

Reds Career Numbers against Casey Coleman

  • Jay Bruce – 1-for-6 with a home run and a walk
  • Miguel Cairo – 0-for-2
  • Juan Francisco – 0-for-1
  • Ryan Hanigan – 2-for-3
  • Chris Heisey – 2-for-7 with a double and a walk
  • Ramon Hernandez – 2-for-3
  • Paul Janish – 0-for-4
  • Brandon Phillips – 0-for-2
  • Edgar Renteria – 1-for-3
  • Drew Stubbs – 2-for-5 with a double and a walk
  • Joey Votto – 2-for-7 with a double and a walk

Johnny Cueto’s last start came against the Cubs a week ago at Wrigley. The Cubs scored three runs on seven hits against Cueto in seven innings and showed rare patience against one of the best young pitcher’s in the league. The Cubs did not work a free pass against Cueto but they put together good at bats and made solid contact against Cueto. The Cubs won the game on a three-run bomb off the bat of Carlos Pena in the eighth inning.

Cueto has been the Reds best pitcher this season but as struggled of late. After posting a 2-1 record in five starts last month with a 3.23 ERA and a 1.34 WHIP, Cueto has two no decisions in his last two outings with a 6.00 ERA and a 1.42 WHIP (eight runs on 15 hits with two walks and five strikeouts in 12 innings). Despite his recent issues, Cueto is 4-2 in 11 starts since the break with a 2.84 ERA and a 1.19 WHIP.

Johnny Cueto has been spectacular at Great American Ball Park this year … 4-2 in nine starts with a 1.46 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP. The last time he lost a home game was July 26 (New York Mets).

Tonight will be Cueto’s fourth and final start of the season against the Cubs. Cueto is 1-1 in the first three with a 4.32 ERA and a 1.38 WHIP … for his career, Cueto is 4-6 in 13 starts against the Cubs with a 3.89 ERA and a 1.35 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Johnny Cueto

  • Jeff Baker – 0-for-3
  • Darwin Barney – 1-for-3
  • Marlon Byrd – 5-for-10 with a double and a walk
  • Starlin Castro – 2-for-14 with 2 walks
  • Tyler Colvin – 2-for-6 with a double
  • Blake DeWitt – 3-for-11
  • Koyie Hill – 2-for-8 with 2 doubles and a walk
  • Reed Johnson – 5-for-13 with 2 doubles
  • Bryan LaHair – 1-for-3
  • D.J. LeMahieu – 2-for-2
  • Carlos Pena – 3-for-6 with 2 doubles and a walk
  • Aramis Ramirez – 7-for-25 with 2 doubles, 2 home runs and 6 walks
  • Alfonso Soriano – 10-for-30 with a double, 3 home runs and 2 walks
  • Geovany Soto – 7-for-26 with 3 doubles, a triple, a home run and 2 walks

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  • Neil

    Tonight’s lineup:

    Castro – SS
    Johnson – RF
    Ramirez – 3B
    Pena – 1B
    Soriano – LF
    Byrd – CF
    Barney – 2B
    Soto – C
    Coleman – P

    • gocubs

      Where is LeMahieu and LaHair?  Quade is the most stubborn “Sun of a Gun” Ive ever seen.  The makes Dusty look like a manager who can develop players. 

      • Tedtop16

        Clearly, there has been no direction given to Quade in terms of what the team is trying accomplish for the rest of the season. It seems that management has decided to let Quade pick his lineup to finish as high as he can because this will be his only chance to manage in the big leagues.

        • Tedtop16

          Off the topic, but next year’s schedule includes the Tigers, Twins and Red Sox. Not too many patsies in 2012. I’m wrong. I think that we are the patsies.

          • cc002600

            why are we playing the red sox again next year ? we just played them….

            that’s a rhetorical question….

      • Agustinrexach


    • Griffnbell

      Complete BS!!!!! I’m so tired of this crap that Quade is pulling. Right handed pitcher so Colvin, Campana, and Lahair should be starting. Rickets should make Quade do his job and prepare for next year even if he’s not going to be here. If he doesn’t like it then let Dernier or Listach finish the year. TIRED A#@ lineup! GRRRRRRR!!!! Sorry Neil for the rage, just fed up…on to the next chapter already.

      • Neil

        No worries, not much surprises me with this team any more but I will have to say tonight’s lineup did.

        • Griffnbell

          Hate to be negative but this year has been long. I’m ready for a fresh start and new beginnings. Would love to see the new GM totally shake things up and breathe some new life into the organization. 

  • gocubs

    Why wouldnt Rickets put a mandate down to play the young guys?  I dont get it.  With no way Quade is back next year and Rickets is all about player development, why wouldnt the young guys be playing every day?  I just dont get it. 

    • cubs1967

      ‘cuz Ricketts a/k/a/ PK McCaskey is an incompetent owner as you’ll find…….on one hand he extends a player development director; that should be left for the new GM, and yet he doesn’t tell the soon-to-be-fired mgr nothing about playing the rookies.  it’s beyond mind baffling.

      it’s all a precursor to the fact I have extreme doubts about the next GM…….and rumors of dan evans or ned colleti just re-enforce it becuz why would we waste time on those 2??????

      like i’ve said from day one; selig pushed ricketts thru and cubs fans are gonna suffer becuz of it……..he has not done 1 thing positive for this team and has outright lied on numerous occasions. (see the press conference after firing JH; that the new Gm would be accountable and with autonomy to run the baseball side; yet he extends Flieta so NO the new Gm won’t have autonomy).

      103 yrs and counting………..there is NO grace period……..there is NO reason for byrd or sori to play anymore……..vets who put a team 20 games below .500  deserve nothing………they are already stealin’ from the fans and mgmt!!

      • Ripsnorter1

        Where do ya’ll come up with the idea that QQuade will be fired?

        P.K.Ricketts could very well have him also as a prerequisite to getting the GM job, along with Wilkens and Flieto.

        • cubs1967

          god help us then!!

  • paulcatanese

    Another report that Ricketts is dragging his heels in making decisions, thats obvious. What is also obvious that Qua may be back next year, their has been no indication whatsoever by Ricketts that he will not be back. Really and truly a mystery why Qua is still with the Cubs. There is no reason why Qua must and will until the bitter end play the people he is putting out there. The man is just plain weird. My message to the rookies, get off this sinking ship if you can, you will go nowhere with this outfit. Why anyone would sign with them is unbelievable, no future kids, get out if you can.

    • BosephHeyden

      Yeah, if the Cubs don’t turn it around, I could see Barney, Castro, LeMahieu, Colvin, Campana, and, even in the future, Jackson, jumping ship the second they can.  This team has not had an identity other than “Lovable Losers” for the past 100 years.  There’s a reason why aging vets love coming to the Cubs:  it’s an easy paycheck.  It’s also where prospects come to watch their careers die.

      • paulcatanese

        Thanks for the response. I figure its a good night to have dinner out with my wife as I have seen these guys play, again and again and again, usually check the lineup and when its like this (which is more often than not) I head out for the night and catch Neils report(better than the game) when we get home.

        • Brentcarmona

          I haven’t commented in awhile, as I moved for school and haven’t had internet, plus my smartphone broke and this old one I’m using is garbage,

          But anyways, I just wanted to say this lineup makes me want to puke blood. Its disgusting and I wished quade was fired when hendry was given the boot.

          Maybe this ‘culture change’ is going from vets collecting a big paycheck to having a young group of players actually developing/starting.

          Paul, tonight is a good night to take the wifey out. I hope neil has a mouthpiece to bite on from cringing looking at this squad, or a punching bag to take out frustrastions.

          Sad when I see these lineups I want my favorite team to lose the ballgame. Eh..hopefully the smokies do some damage tonight.

          • paulcatanese

            You sound like my Grandson with his smartphone,except he loses it all the time. I remember youre posts and am glad you are posing again. I guess I will be taking her out quite often these last few games. I had been counting on seeing the kids play but I dont think so with this guy, and thats too bad.
            One thing I can count on are Neils posts, as I say they are better than the games.

  • Matt Collins

    what can you do? just keep running them out there

    • Ripsnorter1

      You sound like Lou Pinella, after he went from “Sweet Lou” to “Sour Lou” from managing under Jim Qlueless, and having to deal with Little Milty Bradley and Carlos the Crybaby Zambrano.

  • paulcatanese

    Something we all may have forgotten, Ricketts may want the Cubs to finish as high as they can for his own reasons, the higher they finish, the easier it is to sell season tickets as the same thing can be sold to the fans,”just one or two moves”, and Qua may be the scapegoat of all of this taking the heat while Ricketts fills the stands, one of the reasons I dont count Q out next year, especialy if he does the dirty work, they both can say”look we finished higher” and Q has done his job. It makes me sick to think of this,,,, But one never knows.

  • Tom U

    For those of you who are disgusted by this manager and his line-up, here is a link to listen about a good manager and an good line-up

    It’s not a telecast, but it beats the alternative.

    Go Smokies!

    • Dorasaga

      Thanks Tom. Sounds like a bad night for the Smokies so far. I’m hearing 1-5, bottom of the third. LOL

  • Cheryl

    It appears that LaHair made the mistake of getting only one hit the other night. Any guesses on how long he remains on the bench? If he’s off the 40 man roster at the end of the season, can he sign with another club? If he can, more power to him.

    • Neil

      The Cubs would have to designate LaHair for assignment to remove him from the 40-man. If they do, some team will snag him. There are Japanese teams that are reportedly interested in him. Right now the Cubs own his rights.

  • Neil

    27 straight games for Castro after the first inning single … and another DP by the Cubs.

  • joey u

    Coleman Just STINKS period! AAA pitcher at best.. He an Qua make a good pair they are both clueless.

    • BosephHeyden

      He’s a young pitcher.  This is what they do.  And this is the ideal time to get him used to major league batters.  Anyone expecting a young starting pitcher as unheralded as Coleman to come in and immediately maintain a low 3 ERA is insane.  Everything that Lincecum and Verlander are doing is completely unnatural for a pitcher to start off with.

      • studio179

        Lincecum and Verlander miss bats, Coleman does not. That is huge.

      • cubtex

        He is not good! He has given up 89 hits in 69 innings pitched. What are you seeing that everyone else is not? Do not compare him to Lincecum or Verlander…Compare him the Mike Leake from last night. He came in and performed. Most young pitchers are inconsistent. Good start…bad start…good start. Coleman has had only a couple of decent starts and a ton of bad ones. He was a 49th round draft choice for a reason!

      • joey u

        This guy’s stuff is no where near the other two’s… no fastball, no command, and below average off- speed. It’s going to take a miracle for Coleman to  turn into a solid major leauge pitcher.

    • RickinMSP

      I don’t know what more people need to see of Coleman to realize that he is not a major league pitcher.  Don’t blame Quade for his lack of developement.  He hasn’t bounced back and forth between the pen and the starting rotation.  He has made all of six appeances out of the pen in the majors over the past two seasons and none in Iowa.  He throws junk without any command, a combination that leads to failure.  Those of you who keep comparing him to Maddux fail to realize that while Maddox was not a power pitcher, he routinely hit 92-93 plus his control was as good as it gets.  If he ever works through his command issues he is at best Jeff Suppan, not Greg Maddux.

      • RickinMSP

        And to answer the obvious question, who do you start in his place, I don’t have a good answer and neither do the Cubs is seems.  Since there aren’t any options in the system, and at this point in the season, there isn’t any point in looking elsewhere, I guess the Cubs go with who they have.

        • Dorasaga

          Yeah. there r bigger problems than Coleman at this point of the season. The Cubs is not going anywhere, even for 2012. They need to play youth, NOW. But they aren’t. That’s the problem: Quade and company.

        • cubtex

          They have noone this year…but I hope they add 2 more starters this offseason

  • jfish1219

    Wow this new pitcher for the reds looks like he came straight out of a 70’s porno with that mustache… horrible.

  • Neil

    Another bad outing for Casey Coleman

    • studio179


  • Neil

    Jae-Hoon Ha hits a solo home run to put
    the Smokies ahead 1-0 in the top of the 1st

  • paulcatanese

    Qua looks forward to players meetings? He’s going to tell them what to work on in the off-season What audacity by this man, who is he to tell these guys anything? He wants LaHair to work on some things? Cant wait to tell the rookies what to do, now would he know ? from film? Boy this guy is a piece of work.

    • JW

      It seems pretty obvious why LaHair isn’t getting played. If he actually hits, then the Cubs look like complete idiots for not bringing him up soon. Since he is crushing the ball at the moment, he is losing at bats. I think they were hoping he would come up and hit .250 and then they could feel like he is another Micah Hoffpauir. The difference is that we didn’t draft him!

  • Neil

    Mobile’s Ryan Wheeler hits a three-run home run to
    put the BayBears ahead 5-1, still in the bottom of the third

  • cubtex

    I am sorry….but all this crap about  ” All Coleman needs is experience and more starts and he will be a solide #4 or #5″  and    “All Colvin needs is consistent playing time….3 weeks playing everyday”  has no merit whatsoever! It is a huge jump from the minors to the majors! Too many people get this excitement over a small sample size of success and envision these players to be above average major leaguers. Take a look at Colvin and Coleman’s minor league stats! Do you honestly think that Coleman will automatically start missing bats in the majors IF he couldn’t do it in the minors??? Coleman has given up 89 hits in 69 innings pitched. Coleman is not a major league starter.
    The Cubs need pitching people! They have Garza and Dempster and hopefully Cashner. They need 2 new GOOD starters for next year otherwise we will see another year like this.

    • Ripsnorter1

      While you are improving the starting rotation, you might consider improving the bullpen, too. Case in point….

      #1 in league for most blown saves: Carlos Marmol, 9
      #9 in league for most blown saves: Kerry “Mr. Clutchless” Wood, 6
      Cubs, as a team, have 23 blown saves. We have third most in MLB. (Cards have 24; Nats 26). PHILLIES, as a team, have 8 blown saves. Carlos Marmol has the entire Phillies bullpen beat just by himself. 

      Our bullpen pitched a lot of innings: #7 in MLB. 

      WE walk the world: #2 in MLB 208 vs Brewers 127.

      We are #2 in MLB for most Strikeouts by a bullpen. Excellent.

      There are worse bullpens, but there are better ones. We need improvement.

      • cubtex

        Agreed! Marmol has been awful this year. I think if the starting pitching improves next year…Marshall,Russell, and Shark will be more consistent. The bullpen was overworked this year.

    • joey u

      the free agent market will be slim this year ….they’ll probably have to trade some position prospects to get some arms.

      • cubtex

        joey that comment at the bottom was meant for you.

  • Neil

    Cubs lost 7-2 to Reds on Wednesday night.

    Casey Coleman: 6R, 6H (HR), 3BB, 4K in 3.2IP; Starlin Castro: 2-for-3, R, BB; Aramis Ramirez: 2-for-4,R; Carlos Pena: 1-for-4, 2B, RBI

  • Aaron

    Playing out the string with a bunch of veterans in most everyday lineups posted by the super unqualified and dumbass manager Q-Ball for a 65-84 ballclub is downright unforgiveable.

    Players that don’t even factor into the Cubs’ future, much less the plans for next year (even while Hendry was on board), including guys like: Pena, Baker, DeWitt, Soriano, Byrd, Johnson, Hill, and pitchers such as Ortiz, Lopez, and Grabow…….it’s just shameful to watch them play while the following guys are either on the bench, or kept in the minors:
    Jay Jackson
    B. Jackson
    Clevenger (I realize he’s in the AA playoffs right now, but he needs to get time in MLB given he’s Rule 5 eligible this year)….same for Ridling, who like LaHair, can play corner OF and 1B

    I am NOT saying any of those guys would be superstars in MLB, but I am saying that they’re better than the current options the Cubs are churning out on a daily basis.

    I don’t think there’s any denying that Campana has a huge effect on the opposing pitcher when he’s on the bases, and I think he’s FAR more valuable than Byrd ever has been since he signed with the Cubs. I also happen to think that a combination of LaHair and Colvin in LF, and Brett Jackson in RF wouldn’t be all that bad next year, especially if the Cubs add Pujols or Fielder at 1B next year.

    If the Cubs go into next season with Quade as the manager, and they have veterans like Johnson, Baker, and Koyie Hill on this team, there’s NO way they’d win even what they’ll likely win this year, which is about 70 wins (my prediction…and I believe Rip’s as well).

    Any GM in the world could see this team is completely dysfunctional with Quade at the helm. He’s clearly lost the veterans based on comments by Dempster, Zambrano, and others. He’s also lost the young guys based on his double standards (ie.-playing out the string with veterans as well as disciplining young guys, while turning a blind eye to veterans EVERY SINGLE TIME)

    I know I’ve thrown out a bunch of ideas for a roster make-up next year, so I’ll do it again, and see what everyone thinks:

    Edwin Jackson

    pen: Wood, Marshall, Broxton, Beliveau, Dolis, Carpenter, Rhoderick

    C-Castillo, Clevenger
    2B-LeMahieu, Barney
    SS-Castro, M. Gonzalez
    3B-ARAM, Flaherty
    LF-LaHair, Colvin
    RF-B. Jackson

    • cubtex

      I think the Cubs need to do better than only adding Edwin Jackson for next year’s rotation.

      • cubtex

        and….that outfield would be brutal as well. Campana will not hit enough to play everyday and from what I have seen so far…LaHair is lost in leftfield

      • Aaron

        I hear what you’re saying, but Samardzija wouldn’t be a bad idea, and the problem is, you can’t trade the farm to get guys like Danks, Sanchez, or even Carmona.

        Who are you going to trade anyways? While most of Cubs Nation seems to value the prospects such as: LeMahieu, B. Jackson, McNutt, Flaherty, etc., most of baseball does NOT. 

        While the Cubs probably have the most future MLB players of any other team in their farm system right now, most experts feel that they are extremely lacking in true impact players.

        So while Wilken has certainly re-stocked the farm system with decent talent, he’s still missing BIG TIME with future All-Star caliber players. Aside from Vogelbach, Baez, and Maples, Castro and Cashner might be the only other future young All-Stars either currently on the team or in the system….and that’s speaks volumes in my opinion.

        I hope I’m wrong on that, and Vitters can take a giant leap forward, and late bloomers like Bour, Ridling, etc. can also step it up, but I just don’t see it.

        Therefore, who are you going to trade to land a top flight starter? You can’t trade Brett Jackson given Colvin’s giant step backwards this season. You can’t trade pitching to get a top flight starter….not when you’re desperate for pitching to begin with. 

        Here are the most marketable players the Cubs have right now on their 25-man roster:
        Dempster-no-trade, large salary, and poor results this year, but good track record in recent seasons…this means he’s likely going nowhere.
        Soto-horrible stats this year, but would have been a good trade target at the deadline. Unfortunately, the incompetent Hendry didn’t capitalize on it. I’m not sure how much value (if any) he will have at the end of this year.
        Cashner/Samardzija/Castro-all young, cheap, and good numbers. There is no way these guys can be traded.
        Marshall-he is cheap, has great results, and would bring a nice return
        Byrd-NOT for $6.5 million next year. He might have a decent average, but everything else sucks. There is no way he’ll bring much of a return. Pretty sad that he’d even be considered “marketable”, huh?
        Garza-VERY marketable. The problem is, I’d be shocked if the Cubs could net a return like the Rays did from the Cubs.
        Marmol-he’s about at his lowest value, though he still does have some value.
        Barney-despite a breakout season for him, he  would still rank as just average in terms of value, so the Cubs wouldn’t get a whole lot for him.

        If you were to rank the players under Cubs control for next year in terms of value (and availability), it’d probably be like this:

        Do you think the White Sox, Indians, or Marlins would be interested in those players? Perhaps….but if the Cubs traded Garza and Dempster away, then they’d be depleting their already thin pitching corps. If they trade Marshall, then they diminish their pen. And given the problem with the prospects and their lack of a high ceiling, who is going to want them as well?

        But please don’t mistake my comments as saying the Cubs shouldn’t do everything in their power to unload players that don’t factor into future plans, because they absolutely must, in order to rebuild this awful team. 

    • Ripsnorter1

      Yeah, I’ve got ’em down for 70 wins this year. 

      No, I don’t want Wood back. Mr. Clutchless can go blow games somewhere else, as far as I am concerned. He’s averaged 6 blown saves per year the last three years….and he hasn’t been a closer for a while, either. He’s Aaron Heilman, reincarnated. 
      Yeah, this team is completely disfunctional–BEGINNING WITH P.K.RICKETTS–ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE. 

      No, I don’t want Campana as my starting CF in 2012. He can’t hit the ball out of the infield. Worthless in any RBI situation. 

      Yeah, QQuade is a complete bust as a manager. I don’t know how he held any kind of a job in MLB. His incompetence rivals Jim Qlueless. 

      No, things are not going to change much for the Cubs in 2012. 

  • cubtex

    That is what I have been saying. They need to look to aquire a starting pitcher from a low budget team who might lose a starting pitcher to free agency in a year or two or who might start to get expensive. Examples…
    Anabal Sanchez, John Danks to name a couple. Fausto Carmona has had a bad year or I would have mentioned him too