Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Cardinals – 08/19/11

Game One Hundred Twenty-Five: Cubs (54-70) vs. Cardinals (66-58)
Game Time – 1:20pm CDT
Coverage – TV: Comcast SportsNet – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 187
Location – Wrigley Field, Chicago

Randy Wells (4-4, 5.90/1.59) vs. Jaime Garcia (10-6, 3.42/1.32)

Updated: 12:01pm CDT – Jim Hendry Fired as Cubs GM - Announcement made Friday morning. Tom Ricketts made the decision and told Jim Hendry on July 22.

After a disappointing finish to the six-game road trip, Q’s Cubs return to the field this afternoon to begin a seven-game homestand. Following the three-game weekend series against the Redbirds, the Cubs open a four-game series on Monday with the Braves.

The Cubs have played some of their worst ball of the season against the Cardinals and have a 2-7 record to prove it. This weekend is the last trip to Chicago for the Cards this season … the two long-time rivals wrap up their season series in September in St. Louis (September 23 – September 25).

Q’s offense will not face Chris Carpenter this weekend but get to deal with Jaime Garcia, Edwin Jackson and Jake Westbrook.

The Cubs starting staff had a very rough road trip and must start putting together long, quality outings. Five innings is simply not enough from a starting staff on a daily basis. While the Cubs have nothing to play for but pride and jobs this season, burning out relievers such as Sean Marshall (58 innings in 59 games), Jeff Samardzija (68 2/3 innings in 58 games) and Carlos Marmol (57 1/3 innings in 59 games) could have lasting effects past this summer.

Jeff Baker and Reed Johnson are expected to be in the starting lineup with the lefty on the mound this afternoon.

The Cubs have 38 games remaining on their schedule (19 at home, 19 on the road) and this afternoon it all begins with Randy Wells

Randy Wells is coming off a decent but short outing against the Atlanta Braves. Wells did his job, put his team in position to win the game and was able to pick up his fourth victory of the season. Wells pitched into the sixth but did not record an out … and the Cubs pulled away late. Wells allowed two runs on eight hits in five-plus inning without a walk and one strikeout.

With more questions than answers surrounding the Cubs rotation, not only for the remainder of this season but next year as well, it would be a good time for Randy Wells to step up and perform the way he did in 2009.

Walks, home runs and the first inning have all been Wells undoing this year. In 15 starts (82 1/3 innings), Wells has walked 31, served up 16 home runs (10 in his last seven starts) and allowed 17 runs (all earned) in the first innings this season.

Randy Wells is 2-0 in his last three starts with a 5.00 ERA and a 1.24 WHIP.

Wells has faced his favorite boyhood team only once this season and received a no decision back on June 4. Wells allowed four runs on three hits (with a home run) with a walk and a strikeout in 5 2/3 innings. Wells could not retire Albert Pujols and neither could Jeff Samardzija in the 12th inning (first of back-to-back walk offs in extras by Pujols). Wells is 2-2 in six career games, five starts, with a 4.40 ERA and a 1.19 WHIP.

Cardinals Career Numbers against Randy Wells

  • Lance Berkman – 3-for-10 with 4 walks
  • Daniel Descalso – 0-for-2
  • Rafael Furcal – 4-for-9 with a home run and a walk
  • Matt Holliday – 3-for-7 with a double
  • Jon Jay – 1-for-8 with a walk
  • Yadier Molina – 3-for-8 with 2 doubles and a walk
  • Albert Pujols – 3-for-11 with a double and a home run
  • Skip Schumaker – 2-for-13
  • Ryan Theriot – 1-for-2 with a walk

Jaime Garcia is in the middle of a bad stretch of starts and there was talk the Cardinals might skip his turn in the rotation in order to get him more work with Dave Duncan. Garcia is coming off a loss to the Rockies in which he gave up five runs on six hits with four walks and three strikeouts in five innings.

Garcia has not posted a win in nearly a month (July 23) and while wins and losses for a pitcher is not the best way to determine if a pitcher is being effective or not, a 1.93 WHIP in his last three starts tells the story of how bad Garcia has been.

Since the break Garcia is 1-3 with a 4.08 ERA and a 1.53 WHIP and in his last three starts, 0-1 with a 6.00 ERA and a 1.93 WHIP.

Today will be Garcia’s third start of the year against the Cubs … 2-0 with a 1.20 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP (two runs on 13 hits in 15 innings with two walks and 12 strikeouts). For his career, Garcia is 2-1 in four games, three starts, against the Cubs with a 1.64 ERA and a 1.05 WHIP … at Wrigley, 1-0 in two games, one start, with a 1.13 ERA and a 1.25 WHIP. If Jaime Garcia struggles again this afternoon, the Cardinals should be very concerned.

Cubs Career Numbers against Jaime Garcia

  • Jeff Baker – 3-for-7
  • Darwin Barney – 1-for-11
  • Marlon Byrd – 1-for-7
  • Tony Campana – 0-for-1
  • Starlin Castro – 1-for-7 with a double
  • Tyler Colvin – 0-for-5
  • Blake DeWitt – 1-for-1
  • Reed Johnson – 1-for-1 with a double
  • Carlos Pena – 0-for-4 with 2 walks
  • Aramis Ramirez – 2-for-7 with a double
  • Alfonso Soriano – 3-for-6
  • Geovany Soto – 3-for-5 with a walk

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    Castro – SS
    Johnson – RF
    Ramirez – 3B
    Baker – 1B
    Soto – C
    Byrd – CF
    Soriano – LF
    Barney – 2B
    Wells – P

    • Mac

      O snap Colvin is on the bench, guess hes got to earn his spot from sitting on his butt lol

  • ldsteam2011

    Awesome!!!!!  bye bye Hendry!

  • cubtex

    Today’s game seems so meaningless with the news of today. Somehow…..seeing Baker batting cleanup doesn’t bother me as much today. Knowing that this joke of a manager will be gone next year makes it much more tolerable. This is actually the time the phrase….WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR….is appropriate.

  • John G

    Hot stove officially begins today. I can’t wait till April 1, 2012. Just hope it’s not an April Fools Joke.

  • Scott

    I wonder when people will start to give the Ricketts family a little credit now.  They spent a ton of money in the draft, like they said they would do when they bought the team.  They have spend significant money on international signings, like they said they would do when they bought the team.  They have worked hard to develop the system from the ground up because that is the best way to have success year after year at the major league level.  The family took their time to evaluate Hendry, not just looking from the outside like a bunch of people on here do and then claim to know EVERYTHING about running a major league team, and decided that Hendry was not the man that they wanted to take the Cubs forward.  The Ricketts bought a franchise full of problems and it will take time to get everything fixed.  But everytime they make a decision, it seems to be a step in the right direction.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      If some of the people that post here start giving Ricketts credit then they would have no one else to gripe about. All of the people that are there favorite whipping boys will be gone soon.

      • Aaron

        If idiots that have been running the asylum are ousted then there is much to cheer about.

        Nobody wants to gripe, itch, and moan about anything. We want a winner and nothing Hendry, Quade, or Kenney have done exudes that sort of confidence.

        Ever wonder why the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Phillies, and Angels always seem to be in contention? It’s because winners tend to gravitate to those cultures while losers gravitate elsewhere looking for a bigger payday or less scrutiny.

        It’s also why Hendry has overpaid for free agents vs the “take it or leave it” approach those successful teams employ more often than not.

        I once worked for a company that paid me 20k more than the competitor and quickly found out why….it was completely dysfunctional and they had to do it to attract decent people. The Cubs remind me a lot of that company.

        Here’s hoping Ricketts has realized this and brings on quality people and doesn’t have to overpay to do so.

        • Scott

          Some people on here would “gripe, itch and moan” no matter what the Cubs record was.  The negativity on this board amazes me.  Hendry was not responsible for 103 years of a disfunctional organization, but people treated him that way.  The same goes for the Ricketts family.  The “knowledgeable” people on here wanted him to fire everyone the first day they took over and trade all of the bad contracts for elite superstars.  Give me a break.  Hendry was ordered to do anything and everything it took to make the Cubs look as good as possible to prospective buyers.  He was ordered to backload contracts because the last Zell knew he wouldn’t have to pay that cash.  I do agree that it was time to make a change, and I am not sure Quade will be back since most GM’s want “their” guy running the show, but Hendry wasn’t as horrible as people think.  2003, 2007 and 2008.  Those are playoff years and a few other years in there, the Cubs were in good position to make the playoffs and just didn’t get it done.  The last 4 Cubs playoff teams before that were 1998, 1989, 1984 and 1945.  It takes time to reverse history, but I truly believe that we have the right owners now to get the job done.  But it will take time and patience.  And don’t put those other teams on pedastals.  They make mistakes as well.  Ask the Yankees how Pavano, Burnett, Posada, Rafael Soriano and other guys have worked out.  See how ARod and Jeter look towards the ends of their deals and tell me they are worth that money.  Ask the Red Sox about JD Drew or Matsusaka or Varitek on his last deal.  All teams and GM’s make mistakes.  It is part of the game. 

          • cc002600

            Agree totally.

            I always find it amusing how the grass is always greener on the other side.  For example, the common perception amongst many people around baseball think that Theo Epstein is absolute genuis, and yet I read an article not too long ago how many BRUTAL free agents he has signed to HUGE deals over the last few years that were total busts (Dice-K, Drew, Lugo, Renteria, Pineiro, Crawford)  , but when you can spend $160M or $200M, you can afford to make a lot of mistakes and still win.
             

          • cubtex

            I have said that many times about ” boy genius” He has done some awful things. Don’t forget the huge contract he gave John Lackey! He gets a free pass. Kenny Williams…..same thing. What was he thinking picking up Alex Rios contract? Jake Peavy…how has that worked out? Adam Dunn…enough said.
            There isn’t a gm in baseball who is perfect.

          • Tony_Hall

            Once again, they have World Series Trophies from their efforts, makes it alot easier to live with the bad deals.

            The Cubs have the finances and the environment to generate as much cash as they need to have a payroll level that can compete with any team on free agents.  It’s the decisions of who and how much that doomed this team

          • cubtex

            Where did you get this information from? Did Ricketts tell Hendry he has an unlimited payroll? The Yankees are at 207 mil! They are well over the Cubs budget.

          • Tony_Hall

            No, they gave him a budget, just like Cashman gets from his bosses.  Haven’t you noticed that the Yankees don’t spend all their money every year.  They make smarter decisions, picking the difference makers, when they are available, not the best of the year, they have cash to spend.  Big difference to the Cubs.

            Do you not think that the Cubs can generate more cash?  Have they not had an endless supply of people, willing to go to games.  If they would keep generating more revenue, they could spend more on players payroll.  Yet their decisions, have made less people show up.  Not good.

            It’s no different in the real world of business, when companies complain they can’t compete with the big corporate giant.  Why not? Everyone has the same opportunity to operate as profitably, as they can figure out.  Some people are better at this, then others.

          • cubtex

            All I can say you can do a lot more with 207 mil than you can will 130mil :)

          • Tony_Hall

            Agreed! 

            Boy, I don’t know how many different conversations we are having at the same time, but it may be a record :)

          • J Daniel

            WELL DONE!!!!

          • Tno13

            Absolutely correct. The people you refer to seem to come out with vitriol and hate at the first sign something may go wrong, seemingly so they can be the first one to say I told you so. When they’re wrong they simply go away for a couple of days and come back stronger on another negative rant. They never have to answer for their failed ideas or proposed acquisitions. They simply fade away and attack another day. Guys like Hendry, Epstein, etc have to live with their decisions and take the heat for them everyday, until they get axed. Another GM comes in and in a few weeks these guys will be smarter then him.

          • The Maven

            There’s only one flaw to your logic, Scott. If Hendry was “just following orders” and really believed in building the club through the system, he would have switched back to that approach after Zell sold the club.

            The truth is, Hendry had established that way of doing business prior to Zell owning the club. Zell just made Hendry do it to the Nth degree.

            A better man would have resigned under those circumstances.

          • GaryLeeT

            Generations of Cub fans have been born and died without seeing them win a World Series, and you think fans don’t have a right to be bitter, or complain? Who gives a rats ass about some stupid divisions championships? That’s something for Royals’ or Pirates’ fans to take solace in. When your team has not been a World Series champion for 103 years, only a World Series championship will alleviate the frustration, just like it did for the Red Sox fans. Obviously, age plays a big part in the level of one’s frustration, so you people who complain about Cubs fans who complain, especially the younger ones, GET OVER IT! I have earned my right by suffering through 45 years of championless loyalty.

          • paulcatanese

            Way to go GaryLee, also a fan since 1939 and have usualy been dejected by April and “wait till next year”. I will probably complain even it they win a World Series if they dont win it in four straight.

          • GaryLeeT

            I don’t know Paul, maybe you have less of a right to complain. After all, you were luckier than most, because you did see (or listened to) them play in a World Series. :)

          • paulcatanese

            You are absolutly right, as I did get to listen to that Series. Again I also got to see some of the greats play, Marlyn Monroe’s ex. and Ted williams along with many players who did it for less money.

          • Brp921

            I am one who had a negative attitude toward Jim Hendry and Mike Quade. JH made a few good moves early on, but baseball is a what have you done lately type of business. I have said and still believe it is time for him to go. Now I want to see a new manager next year. I don’t know if you’re defending the job Quade has done, but I stand behind my opinion that he is not a major league caliber manager.

          • Tony_Hall

            I will ask the Yankees how those bad deals have done for them, but they are too busy trying to figure out how to fit all of their World Series Trophies in a new display case!

            JH was good for awhile, but started making bad decisions.  Regardless of whether he was instructed to spend money on FA’s, it was his decision who to sign and what to offer to get them.  He miscalculated on this badly, and he finally has paid the price for these bad decisions.

          • cubtex

            Tony..That is not a fair statement. They Yankees have an unlimited payroll. NOBODY has as much leeway as them.

          • Tony_Hall

            They actually don’t have an unlimited payroll (though they are willing to spend more, and more to get difference makers), they just have better business people raising their revenues, higher than most teams can fathom.  Doesn’t change the fact that they have converted their moves into Championships.  

            I would like to see just 1.

        • Tom U

          I hate to disagree with you Aaron, but how long have you been following the sports scene in Chicago? Don’t you know, winning isn’t as important as who wins and how they win.

          When Chicago was starving for a champion, the Chicago Sting won two. Chicago yawned. The Fire then brought another one. Chicago still yawned.

          After all the Hoopla of the Stanley Cup championship, the Blackhawks are back to being “that team that play that funny game on ice”. 

          Lovie Smith has brought the Bears to the Super Bowl and the NFC championship, yet still gets no “love” from fans.

          And, does anyone remember Chicago celebrated a World Series victory only six years ago?

          No Aaron, Chicagoan’s are born to suffering, and no matter how perfect a team is, they will always find something to complain about. Unless you’re Mike Ditka or Michael Jordan.

          • Henry

            I didn’t realize a chicago team won the world series.  I only follow the Cubs

          • GaryLeeT

            Tom, I really admire your knowledge of the Cub’s farm system, but if you don’t think the death of old man Wirtz, and a Stanley Cup, did not turn Chicago back into a Hawkytown, you should stick with what you know.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Another walk … then another homer off Wells on a 2-2 pitch.

  • studio179

    I wonder if Quade tells the young players they got his boss fired.

    • John_CC

      What the hell are they waiting for?  The season is cooked and now no one cares at all anymore.  Just tell Q to hit the road. I’d rather see Bob Dernier manager from here out.

      • studio179

        I don’t get why Quade is still there, either. It does no good for the team, the players or for Quade. I don’t like him as a manager, but talk about leaving a guy hung out to dry.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

        Quade is still there because if the new GM decides for him to be a part of the organization in some spot they want to keep that door open. That is why Ricketts said that the new GM will make the decision on the manager and coaching staff.

        • paulcatanese

          Richard, do think it would be the right time to force-feed the job to Maddux?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

            No I don’t think he is ready. For one thing look at DeWitt and think that Maddox was the one that wanted him here. Well if that is ability to judge talent then we would be in real trouble as far as our system was concerned. 

          • paulcatanese

            OK, just thought I would ask the expert, not that up on Maddux since he retired.

  • studio179

    Wells doing his usual.

  • cc002600

    I’m listening to Boers and Bernstein on the score.  How do these 2 bozos still have a job ?  They are so arrogant, pompous, and above all clueless.

    They are sitting there asking about why didn’t Ricketts address the Wrigley renovation….Hello ?????   He did……maybe you should listen to the whole press conference before spouting off like the idiots that you are.

    The other thing I don’t quite understand. These radio talking heads must really hate Crane Kenney personally, so much. They ALWAYS bring his name up as if Kenny is making all baseball decisions….why ?  Ricketts made that clear today that he is the business guy, and has NOTHING to do with the on-field decisions, and yet they always bring his name up as to what’s wrong with this team.  I’m not here to defend Kenney, but really, I could care less if Kenney is there or not.  He’s not making the player decisions. And yet, they NEVER stop talking about this guy.

    I just don’t get it.

    • studio179

      I am not sure about the talk radio angle and what the motive is there. However, there are reports Kenney IS involved with baseball decisions and since he is not a baseball guy, that scares people…including me.

      • Tno13

        Kenney is releasing those reports.

      • cc002600

        Right. That means a lot.
        There were also reports that Hendry was going to be retained, right ?

        How’d those work out ?

        • studio179

          There were reports on both sides of Hendry’s job stability this year. So do all reports get dismissed? If Kenney is not involved with baseball operations, then he has no business going to the winter meetings every year. Yet, he is right there.

          If you believe Kenney is doing a good job and has no say in baseball operations, that’s fine. I would rather someone else be there.

          • cc002600

            Well, my point is that I don’t understand why they keep harping on this guy constantly, when we really don’t know if he has anything to do with baseball decisions.

            Personally, I will take Ricketts’ word for it and say he doesn’t.  I guess I just don’t understand why everyone else can’t.  I just get tired of hearing them talk about this guy all the time, when I think he plays no role whatsoever in baseball decisions.   “Reports” mean nothing….there are rumors all the time about stuff that are always false, so I don’t put any credence into them.

            And what does it matter if he goes to the winter meetings ?  Lots of guys go to the winter meetings, that  means nothing.

          • studio179

            Why does it bother you what radio talk show people say about Crane Kenney. Come on…radio talk show. Don’t get worked up over it. Your original post said you are not defending Kenney and don’t care if he is there or not. 

    • Tno13

      Your assessment of those two is accurate. Why you are listening to them is another issue.

      • cc002600

        I know. Shame on me.
        :-)

    • J Daniel

      They have a job because YOU and many others listen.  STOP listening and things would change.

      • cc002600

        Agree.  I normally don’t listen to those buffoons, but with the big news today I was just curious as to what everyone would be saying……

        but they are REALLY bad. no question, especially Boers.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Another homer off Wells

  • cubtex

    This is for you Tony…. So far in AA Hak Ju Lee is hitting a robust .171 with a .205 OBP. Yes it is a small sample….but as I have mentioned over and over A ball is a long way from the show! Seen it firsthand. He ain’t even close and you were penciling him in as this major league starting shortstop in mid 2012 or 2013. Time will tell but there aren’t many sure things. That is the reason I have been such a supporter of the Garza deal. Prospects are suspects.

    • Bryan

      You and Carmelo…always looking for an opportunity to jam others on this site. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

        No but they are willing to let people see how short sited some of the others are. There is still a long way before we know the what if’s on the Garza trade.

        • cubtex

          Hey, you never know.. Lee might be an all star(I would bet against though) Archer could be a top of the rotation starter(again…I would bet against it) You never can quite be sure with 99% of prospects. We can be pretty sure that Garza will be a solid piece of the rotation. That is what I have been saying. A ball is light years away from the big time.

        • Tony_Hall

          Short sited.  What are you talking about?  Trading prospects for a vet is short sited and playing for this year and next.  Keeping the prospects would be looking down the road.

      • cubtex

        Sorry u feel that way Bryan. I don’t see it the way you do. Tony and I have discussed the Garza deal for months. We have a friendly disagreement. Just like Rip pointing out Adam Dudds stats to Aaron..I am pointing out Lee’s stats to Tony to support my claim that the Garza deal was a good one. Can’t we all just get along

        • Aaron

          Time will tell on the Garza deal, just like the Harden deal…but unlike the Harden deal, the Cubs were going nowhere this year and that, coupled with Garza’s rising contracts through arbitration make it a very poor decision.

          Archer has also come on well of late and Guyer has held his own. Lee would be the wild card on the deal and a good guess is he will continue to impress and adjust to the promotion soon.

          I actually happen to like Garza…but as a solid #3. The Cubs gave up the equivalent of a #1….and that is the major problem. Perez has already been let go and Rosscup has missed most of the year with shoulder problems….so there is little margin for error on Garza’s performance to even make the trade a wash..much less a win for the Cubs….

          Please don’t misunderstand though…Garza’s a solid pitcher

          • cubtex

            Yes Aaron but the Cubs have Garza for 2 more years at a reasonable salary. If they are in contention….he will be a valuable part of the rotation…..if they are not, they could deal him to a contender for possibly a better return than we gave to the Rays. And….we will have a different GM making the trade. To me…a win-win

          • Tony_Hall

            Not sure what reasonable salary you are talking about.  He is arbitration eligble and will get closer $8-$10M in 2012, and could push $12-$15M in 2013.  That is why I have said, to not be made fools of, they need to sign him to a contract to lower these years costs, and get a “discount” on his early FA years.  

            You failed to mentioned that Lee has only 39 AB’s.  and that he hit 317-389-442 at High A, where he was going to spend most of the year, but his play forced them to promote him to AA.  Yes he will have lesser numbers at AA, and I really doubt you think he will keep the same pace of the first 39 AB’s going.  Next year he will be at AA to start the year, and is still on track to be in the majors by 2013, just about the time that Garza is shopping for new homes in a different city than Chicago.

          • cubtex

            Tony, Tim Beckham was promoted to AAA and they had an opening at AA so Lee was moved up. Not saying Lee wasn’t doing well but as I said…A Ball is a long way away from the majors. I was there bud. I played A ball and a little bit of AA. Look at the numbers of players the Cubs drafted the last 5 years. In 5 years of drafts…Rip pointed out that 13 or so players made it the the bigs. Not very good odds. Many scouts have doubted Lee’s ability to hit enough at higher levels and he is more of a slap hitter. If he becomes an everyday shortstop one day in the bigs and hits over .260…I will buy you a beer. I just say the odds are against that happening.

          • Tony_Hall

            Do you think they would have moved Beckham up if they didn’t think Lee was ready for AA?  Unless the major league team creates the opening, they didn’t move Beckham up, and then say “now what do we do…”  One move was connected to the other.

            I will take that Beer someday, and I will make sure Lee has more than 39 AB’s before demanding payment of said beer.

          • cubtex

            Yes they are connected. Beckham is the heir apparent at short and Lee is below him. Beckham has done well on his promotion to AAA. Look it up. AA to AAA is not nearly as much of a jump as A to AA. Beckham is 21. Beckham was the #1 draft choice and he will have a better chance at starting at short for the Rays in 2013 than Lee. I could be wrong but again…the odds favor what I am saying. That is why I was totally for the Garza trade. You play the odds.

      • carmelo

        I only “jam” Aaron when he gets personnal with his remarks—“physically punching Hendry”, yesterday calling Hill and someone else “butt buddies”,.  Do you condone these types of remarks on this site?  Let’s just keep it to Cub baseball—Aaron has lots of good things to say—just keep it to baseball, and I say that to everybody else.  I’m surprise you don’t see that Bryan—no need for all the name calling.

    • Tony_Hall

      See my response below, but 39 AB’s and you want to say Lee is a failure.

      GARZA is 5-9 with a WHIP over 1.30.  

      5 wins, not exactly been a difference maker this year.  

      And that has been the point of the trade, this wasn’t the year, and neither is next year!  

      That is why I have not liked the Garza deal.

      • cubtex

        Have you watched Garza’s starts this year? Defense has been terrible for him. No run support and no help from his bullpen. Tell me honestly that he has been a flop this year and has not pitched well. If they did not aquire Garza, this team would have ZERO starting pitching going into next year.

        • Tony_Hall

          Yes I have. 

          Have you watched Hak Ju Lee’s ab’s to know that he hasn’t been just hitting the ball at people and/or they have made great plays on him?  Part of the bad defense, is when he pitches, he is the fielder at the pitcher position.If they didn’t acquire him they would still not be in the playoffs and would still not be looking competitive next year.  That is the point.  He is a streaky pitcher, whose “prospect” replacement for the Rays, has out-pitched him this year.We have beat this one to death again :)

          • cubtex

            We have beat this to death but I enjoy the banter. Nothing is ever personal on my side Tony…I enjoy the discussion. Have a good night.

          • Tony_Hall

            I agree…it is nice to have a desire to talk about the Cubs again, after this awful season.

          • cubtex

            Hellickson 135 mlb IP..Garza 865 mlb IP. Let’s put things in perspective here. Just like many were ready to annoint Casey Coleman as a starting mlb pitcher after some starts in September last year. Hellickson is a good pitcher but let him do it for a couple of years in a row.

          • Tony_Hall

            So, form the Rays perspective, you don’t think they have knotched this has a win on the trade scorecard.

            Saved $5M in 2011, likely $10M in 2012, at least $12M in 2013, received 5 players for their system, and opened up a spot for Hellickson (who is no Casey Coleman). 

            Also, I have been in favor of giving Coleman more opportunities, but when I look at future years, I have him as an extra starter, at best, never one of the main 5. 

      • cubtex

        Again, read my words. I said Lee is light years away from the majors. He ain’t close. A ball stats do not impress me. That is why I take offense when people start annointed players as starting in the bigs in 2 years based on A ball numbers.  Totally premature. One question…..Have you seen Lee play in person? Have you seen more than 39 AB’s of Lee’s?  I haven’t myself but I have seen Garza pitch for 3 years in the majors and I will take him Lee,Archer,Guyer,Chirinos and Fuld any day of the week. IMO….none of these players will have close to the mlb career Garza has had and will continue to have.

        • Tony_Hall

          Just one last shot, the guy who agreed with you, is JH and how did this work out for him :)

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Barney puts one in the basket

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Back-to-back triples by Barney and DeWitt on back-to-back miscues by the Cards defense

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Soto ties it up with a double

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    That was ugly … Campana decoyed into double play by Ryan Theriot

    • paulcatanese

      Neil, I guess its hard to put a rocket into reverse. But one thing, and it was mentioned on the air, Castro could have taken the pitch and let the steal go thru, but then colvin wouln’t been a hero.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    Wow Colvin just with a game winning hit in the bottom of 10th? After he looked absolutely over matched on the last pitch out of the zone why did Dotel throw him a strike?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      I guess that is why has been to so many different teams with that kind of arm.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs beat Cardinals 5-4 in 10. Colvin GW RBI; Wells:
    4R, 4H, 3BB, 5K in 7IP; Castro: 2-for-5, R; Barney: 2-for-4, 3B, HR, 2R

  • John G

    Cubs are perfect sans Hendry.

    • Bredstik

      Looks like Hendry could have stuck it out through the weekend and still left with a winning record after all!

  • paulcatanese

    Even the Air Force did a fly-bye to celebrate the news today.

  • The Maven

    One thing I know for certain;

    I don’t want to play poker at the same table as Tom Ricketts!

    • paulcatanese

      I have to agree with you, how could it possibly not leak out before today?Had to be most uncomfortable for Ricketts and JH given the amount of time kept quiet.

      • Aaron

        It did leak, though. That one guy…can’t remember who tweeted it, but said despite Nightengale’s article, his “sources say Hendry won’t last the season” and he stood by his comments

  • Cloycub13

    Bear with me guys cause this one is gonna be long.

  • Cloycub13

    You guys didn’t think I was going to let a day like this go by and not
    have something to say! By the way Neil, Excellent work all season. Same
    goes to Tom and Brian. I also have to commend all of the great posters. I
    read every day…work has been nuts and to me that is a good thing.

    Let’s
    move on to good things. The Cubs effort in this years draft was
    outstanding. This is the first year I really followed it but I learned
    from all of you that the way to get better is to get younger, and the
    way to do that cheaply and effectively is to grow your own. To grow your
    own, you need to draft your own. To grow your own you also need to pay
    your own. Mr. Ricketts I applaud your efforts. To Mr. Hendry, I will get
    to more on you in a sec, but I will say that you impressed me after
    getting word of your inevitable demise on 7/22 and remaining on board to
    aid in that effort…For that sir, I am proud of you and I respect you.

    To the news of today. As I said I have been nuts at work and
    did not see this break. I was driving home a short way for lunch and the
    local sports radio show announced it in their updates. I starting
    yelling as if Starlin Castro just hit a game winning homer to vault us
    into the postseason. It was visceral. By every single account Jim Hendry
    is an excellent man. I would not dispute that as I have never met him. I
    can however offer my opinion on his General Manager efforts lately from
    a fan’s perspective. Did he do a good job in fleecing teams salary
    dumps early on…yessir. Did he build multiple division winners, yessir,
    I believe the only cubs GM recently to sniff the postseason 3 times,
    let alone back to back. But then something happened, I do not know what
    and I do not know how and I do not know why but the Cub world flipped
    upside down. And an exciting, fun, fascinating, exhilarating, great team
    crapped themselves for the second year in the postseason. 0
    FER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    And we were left with the countdown to 105! Not to mention 1945!

    Jim
    decided to dismantle that team and prove he is smarter than everyone
    else. Enter the Milton Bradley, Aaron Heilman, Aaron Miles etc etc etc
    experiment. Jim, that is when I signed on to CCO for the first time,
    when you dealt Dero…I thank you for that. Ever since that time period
    you have SUCKED! O FER again. Multiple bad moves, multiple “one or two
    moves away” when we all knew better and we all get paid much less for
    our thoughts on your former team. Jim, when you pulled the ultimate
    powerplay and hired Mike Quade over Ryne Sandberg, you lost alot of us
    for good. You also made this day an inevitable eventuality. Mr. Hendry
    thank you for your 17 years of service to the Chicago Cubs, I for one am
    ecstatic!

    As far as the search…The beautiful part about GM’s
    is that there are not that many of them. It is very different than
    manager searches, even though they may seem obvious to most. There is no
    excuse for the Chicago Cubs not to land the Lebron James or Albert
    Pujols of GM’s. NONE!

    Thank you if you have stuck with me here,
    Mr. Kenney and Mr. Quade enjoy what precious little time that you have
    left at Wrigley Field.

    With the draft and this development today
    my hope and my optimism have started to lean back toward the positive
    spectrum. There is more to do Mr. Ricketts…Keep the faith coming
    because I like what I have seen so far. It has been widely stated
    lately, Kevin Millar on MLBN’s Intentional Talk today being the most
    recent, that there is something missing in the Chicago Cubs locker room.
    Do
    you want to know what is missing…. A guy with the heart and fire of a
    Ryne Sandberg. A guy who manages kids to a very fine degree. A guy
    responsible for the development of Starlin Castro, Darwin Barney, Tyler
    Colvin, Andrew Cashner, Chris Carpenter, Trey Mcnutt Need I go on.

    By the way… on the day Hendry is fired…Tyler Colvin goes walk off RBI!!!!!! How do you like that!

    Hope and Go Cubs Go!      

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R65T7II7FYX7HGQW2XLHDDWJRQ Agustin

    There is Hope! Fun is Back in Cub Baseball, time to dream again! Best Cub-news I heard in over 3 years. Thanks JH for some bad years followed by some great years followed by some of the worst years.