Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Pirates – 07/09/11

Game Ninety-One: Cubs (36-54) vs. Pirates (46-42)
Game Time – 6:05pm CDT
Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 187
Location – PNC Park, Pittsburgh

Ryan Dempster (5-6, 4.99/1.41) vs. Kevin Correia (11-6, 3.74/1.23)

How will the Cubs respond to Friday night’s loss? The Cubs have two games left before the break and will not post a three-game winning streak in their first 92 games of the season. Unless something changes, and they can figure out how to beat the Pirates, Q’s squad will spend the break 20 games under .500.

The Cubs need a long outing from Ryan Dempster tonight. The pen is spent due to all of the short starts since the teams last day off on June 23. The Cubs are almost finished with the massive stretch of 38 games in 38 days and at least for a couple of days, the daily drama that surrounds this team will be put on hold.

Tonight is a rematch of Opening Day starters. Kevin Correia beat Ryan Dempster over three months ago and the Pirates have won five of the first seven games against the Cubs this season.

In other newsCarlos Zambrano had a successful rehab start with the Peoria Chiefs on Friday night. Z allowed one unearned run on three hits with three walks and four strikeouts in four innings. Z threw 63 pitches, 38 for strikes, and after his outing he tweeted that he would return to the Cubs rotation on July 17.

Tonight it all starts with Ryan Dempster

Ryan Dempster was scheduled to start the opener in Washington last Monday but was scratched after spending Saturday night in the hospital. Dempster said he was dehydrated with pain in his back and ribs. Mike Quade said Dempster was having trouble with his core. The Cubs nearly put Dempster on the DL after Marcos Mateo went down with what has been diagnosed as a right forearm strain.

Ryan Dempster’s last start (June 29 against the Giants) was his best of the season. Dempster took a two-hit shutout into the eighth inning but Tony Campana misplayed a Pat Burrell single into a double and Mike Quade wasted no time replacing Dempster with Carlos Marmol … despite a very low pitch count. Bill Hall ran for Burrell and ended up scoring the tying run and Dempster received a no decision. Dempster’s final line: one run on three hits in eight-plus innings with no walks and six strikeouts. Dempster will face a much better offense today and must improve on his road numbers (2-2 in eight games with a 6.86 ERA and a 1.70 WHIP).

Dempster posted a 1-2 record in six June starts with a 3.13 ERA and a 1.26 WHIP.

Ryan Dempster has struggled throughout his career against the Pittsburgh Pirates (7-11 in 47 games, 22 starts with a 5.63 ERA and a 1.59 WHIP) and is 1-1 in two starts versus the Bucs this season with a 5.68 ERA and a 1.34 WHIP.

Pirates Career Numbers against Ryan Dempster

  • Kevin Correia – 0-for-3 with a walk
  • Matt Diaz – 0-for-1
  • Garrett Jones – 2-for-18 with a home run and 3 walks
  • Andrew McCutchen – 6-for-18 with a double, a home run and 3 walks
  • Lyle Overbay – 2-for-5 with 2 doubles and 6 walks
  • Xavier Paul – 0-for-3
  • Neil Walker – 6-for-10 with 2 doubles, a home run and a walk
  • Brandon Wood – 0-for-2

Kevin Correia is one of the feel-good stories of the baseball season. Correia was the Pirates Opening Day starter and has posted victories in each of his last three games. Correia is coming off a win against the Nationals in which he allowed two runs on six hits in six innings. Correia struck out six and walked three.

Correia has actually struggled at home to the tune of a 2-4 record in eight games, seven starts, with a 5.40 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP. Teams are hitting more than 100 points better against Correia at PNC (.320) than on the road (.218) and Correia’s WHIP is quite a bit higher (1.09 on the road, 1.45 at home).

The Cubs will get their third shot of the season at Kevin Correia. Correia has owned Q’s squad this season and two of his 11 wins have come at the Cubs expense … 2-0 in two starts with a 1.35 ERA and a 1.05 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Kevin Correia

  • Jeff Baker – 2-for-6 with a home run
  • Darwin Barney – 3-for-9 with a double
  • Marlon Byrd – 1-for-13
  • Tony Campana – 0-for-3
  • Starlin Castro – 2-for-6
  • Ryan Dempster – 0-for-5
  • Blake DeWitt – 1-for-8 with a double and 2 walks
  • Kosuke Fukudome – 5-for-19 with a walk
  • Koyie Hill – 1-for-5
  • Reed Johnson – 0-for-1
  • Carlos Pena – 3-for-7 with 2 walks
  • Aramis Ramirez – 3-for-14 with 2 walks
  • Alfonso Soriano – 2-for-12
  • Geovany Soto – 2-for-9 with a double and 2 walks

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Tonight’s lineup:

    Fukudome – RF
    Castro – SS
    Ramirez – 3B
    Pena – 1B
    Byrd – CF
    Soriano – LF
    Hill – C
    Barney – 2B
    Dempster – P

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs released Augie Ojeda today

    • Tom U

      There should be a corresponding roster move soon. Matt Szczur was promoted to Daytona, giving them 26 players on their roster.

      If promotions are involved, expected either Evan Crawford or Jae-Hoon Ha to go to Tennessee, with Brett Jackson possibly getting the call to Iowa.

      Or the organization can demote OF Michael Burgess. That may be unlikely, as he has had seven hits in his last six games. 

      • GrantJones7

        I have seen some rumors of Crawford or Ha to Tenn, there will be 3 All STar CFers in Daytona now, Crawford, Ha, Szczur, should be intereting, i dont think BJaxx will be moved up, dont know why i dont think so, wouldnt be surprised if he was and one of the 2 (Ha or Crawford) are moved up.

        Now with the Ojeda move, will there be IFers moved up? Or it this simply for more playing time to prospects?

        • Tom U

          Iowa has five infielders, with LaHair being counted six. They only have four outfielders. 

          A dark horse promotion could be Steve Clevenger. He’s already been up to Iowa, and can play third and first as well as catch.

          • Whatupbr

            If anyone is going to be promoted to Iowa to play OF, it should be Ryan Flaherty.

      • JW

        I thought Augie was released to make room for Marquez Smith coming off the DL

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

        Hey Tom is there any reason that they have Camp listed as on the Suspended list?

    • Ripsnorter1

      What took them so long??

  • paulcatanese

    I think the Cubs ought to give a real shot to Carpenter as a closer, it couldn’t be any worse and he has the stuff to do it. He probably has better control than Marmol right now and he certainly can throw harder. It’s that time of year to seek new opportunitys with the kids, just give them a real shot and let the chips fall where they may. This may be Ricketts last chance to save any fan base.

  • Guy

    dwade is at his brothers house 2 doors down from me in chicago ridge… with that said Peter Gammons said that if the cubs were willing to trade marmol they could get a top 10 prospect back and more.. The cubs would be crazy not to do that. Getting a prospect with true #1 potental may speed up the rebuilding by 2 years. Not to mention having a closer close out games when your 20 games under .500 isnt something that is necessary at the moment.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      On this Gammons is right about what should be asked about. A front line starter and boot should be the starting point for Marmol.

    • Whatupbr

      Agree that they should put him out there to see what teams are willing to offer. Other than Castro, there’s nobody untouchable on this team.

      Of course they wont make any good deals because the organization suffers from the same psychosis that I encounter with fans and on the radio every day. For some reason, everybody thinks you can’t trade any of the veterans because you can’t “eat” a signififcant portion of the contracts. I think that is complete BS. They “ate” the money when they signed the deals. Why continue to punish yourself by keeping the underperforming player AND the contract?? That’s retarded. If other teams wont take a Zambrano, Fukudome, Sorriano, Ramirez etc etc because of the money, I say keep the contract and get a max prospect package in return.

      The reaction I always get to this is “Oh, they’ll never do that. They’re not going to eat that much money.” That kills me because they already did.

      If you had a choice: 1) pay Z and keep Z; or 2) pay Z and exchange him for 2 or 3 of another team’s Top 10 prospects; or 3) trade Z and his contract and get nothing in return, what would you choose? To me, #2 is the obvious choice.

      And please don’t tell me that no team is going to give you 2 or 3 of their Top 10 prospects for Z – even if you do pay 100% of his deal. We traded 2 of our best prospects plus Chirinos and Fuld for Garza and Perez, and Tampa paid nothing on Garza’s deal. 

    • Bo-ce-phus

      I say trade him and get a real  pitcher ,,,, let his  bs  stats  help the sale ,, they need pitching …. not  just  high price  ball wakers …..

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Sun-Times: With
    chipper jones out of all-star game, Q says he’ll lobby for ramirez.

    • Cheryl

      Ramirez – No.

    • Jim_Tinley_Park

      You mean Rammy.

  • Aaron

    The Cubs are a walking contradiction, and that’s due to leadership all the way from ownership to the GM, and field manager.

    Everyday, there seems to be yet another quote from one of these morons, whether it be Ricketts, Hendry, or Quade, where you’re like, “you can’t really be serious?”….and yet they are, in fact, DEAD SERIOUS!!!!!!!

    I’m beside myself, because I consider myself to be a student of the game, and I know there are plenty of others on this site that feel the same way.

    You just can’t leave the Cubs, as much as you want to, because you’ve grown up with them. It’s like someone telling you that you can no longer see your parents, or siblings, or even your best friend for that matter. The team is so deeply en-grained in all of us, that we can’t leave, no matter how much they drive us to the brink…..

    I can tell you that right now, I’m so mad at the leadership, I could literally see them on the side of the street, and punch them out Boston style….I mean, seriously, Boston fans, whether it be the Celtics, Red Sox, or Bruins….they don’t take moronic leadership, and they literally run them out of town.

    Why can’t Cubs fans be like that? Why can’t the media ask the tough questions that they’re supposed to?

    Here would be my follow-up questions to a sample of things Hendry has said this year:

    Hendry: *obviously paraphrasing “We just have to get healthy, Mike hasn’t had a chance to manage the guys we left spring training with”

    Me: “That’s interesting that you say that…It sure seems like you’re an excuse maker, and have been for quite some time. It was a poorly constructed roster that you put together, and the injuries only magnify that. I guess my question for you is…What are you dealing with right now that all of baseball has had to deal with? The Giants are at the top of their division despite losing about all of their lineup. The Red Sox are at the top of their division despite losing nearly all of their rotation. The Cardinals have been without Pujols, their ace Wainwright and others and are near the top of your own division. I’m trying to understand how this is any different than the rest of baseball”

    …….

    Hendry: “We’re going to wait to the end of June, and see where we’re at by then” (This was an actual quote, by the way….then a few weeks later, he said end of July…which was HIGH-FREAKING-LARIOUS)

    Me: “You’re out of the race by 10 games and 10 games (at the time of the quote) under .500. In the history of baseball, there have only been a handful of teams that have overcome odds like that to make the playoffs. What makes you think you can overcome these odds, given NO Cubs team has ever come back from that type of deficit? Actually, scratch that question….I believe I remember you saying almost the EXACT same thing in 2006. How’d that work out for you? I guess I’m not understanding where you’re coming from. Either you know something that we don’t…maybe the team has been playing possum the whole year on purpose, and is just toying with everyone. Is that it?”

    …….

    Hendry: “I’m not going to make trades just to make trades”

    Me: “Teams in contention should not ‘make trades just to make trades’, but teams completely out of contention, and looking old, decrepit, injured, and generally looking apathetic need a huge face lift. Wouldn’t you agree?”

    …….

    Hendry: “We’re not going to trade guys we see as a big part of our future”

    Me: “I’m trying to understand how one 27 year old starting pitcher that’s a #3 starter on a good team, 2 relievers, each with just 2 pitches, and looking very hittable of late….are someone ‘building blocks’ for the future? If you would’ve said Castro, I could certainly understand that, as he’s an All-Star, and has a bright future ahead of him. I guess I’m trying to understand who would be a part of the future, when you only have Garza, Wells, Marshall, Marmol, Russell, Samardzija, Barney, Castro, Carpenter, Campana, and Soto that are under 30…and of those guys, I think 99% of baseball would say Garza, Marshall, Marmol, Carpenter, Castro, Barney, and Soto have staying power in the big leagues.”

    • Jim_Tinley_Park

      Aaron:

      As you know, I agree with a lot of things that you say. I also flip you $H1T 
      about Adam Dunn from time to time. Anyway, If you were Tom Ricketts what would you do to fix this mess?

      • Dorasaga

        He would have fired Hendry right away, after 9 years of futility, and showed the world that the Cubs can be respectable.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

          I actually would rather aaron answer Dorasago. Nothing personal but Aaron seems to be the first to criticize but the last to offer solutions short of fire everyone.

          • J Daniel

            And bring up prospects.  You know what they say about prospects.

          • cubtex

            Agreed. The solution cannot always be cut everyone and fire everyone. ARam would have been benched all year, Soriano would be released,Pena would be released, Reed Johnson would be released, Fuko would be released, etc. That is not the answer. Now….since the veterans have performed as expected…they have value! Instead of wasting millions and millions of dollars…these players have value to some teams and some teams will want to add pieces for the 2nd half.

  • paulcatanese

    So Quade is going to lobby for Aram to be added to the All Star team. That ought to be interesting to see how much influence he has. I don’t think Aram has that great a record in big games,I may be wrong but thats what it seems like. In a game that decides the home team advantage fo the World Series I don’t think I would like to see Quade as a coach on the bases. He is responsible for the coaches we have now and the third base coach gets his expertise from him so if I were Bochy I would keep him in the dugout and away from the pitching staff as the National League may not have any pitchers for the second half.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Keep on hitting Marlon Byrd

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Dempster flat and not much velocity so far … could get ugly very quick. Three straight hits to start the game.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Dempster seemed to loosen up as the inning progressed, he got out of his jam but the Pirates squared him up. Kosuke and Koyie saved a run …

  • Bo-ce-phus

    Len and bob need to stop sounding so stupid …And say it like it is ..Marmol Is a shitt y  pitcher,,and has lost more  games then saved  EVER!  a win they say he gets ,,A win isnt a win when your ahead and all you have to do is strike out 3 guys ,, yet he fails over and over  to do this  and when he does it ONCE!  they write it up as a god ,, come off it you two goofs ,,

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      Um Bob isn’t saying anything.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Dave Campbell is calling the game with Len tonight and you should check Marmol’s stats … also please watch the language.

      • Jim_Tinley_Park

        Why? are Marmols stats that bad?

      • Bo-ce-phus

        Listen Neil you sugar coat it or not  ok…the stats   ,,shut up on the stats your stupid   A win isnt throwing one inning ,,any triple A pitcher can do that ,,and I dont need stats ,,almost all the games  he has  won was done by the fielding …saving his walks ,,and balls ,,  not his pitching ,, if it was done on strikes  ok ,,but it hasnt been ,,,,,and after one inning  they pull him  cause hes useless..so shut up….Ok sorry on shitty ,,hes sucks  better?

        • Tony_Hall

          I’ve never seen Neil sugar coat anything.  Not sure what your problem is, but this ramble is awful

        • pete187

          Yikes dude.  Just yikes.  

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          I do not sugar coat and I also do not put up with posters attacking others on this site. I welcome educated discussion and debate on the CCO.

        • diehardcubfan

          Sir, your attacks against Neil are neither condoned by many here or tolerated.  Neil is only a class act.  If you are going to be belligerent go somewhere else.

      • Bo-ce-phus

        YOU should have the GREATEST STATS IN THE WORLD! when you only go into a game when they are winning and you just have to strike out 3 guys  .    no  ?  So if his stats are anything less then  perfect  he’s over paid and not doing his  job ,,  and  Now if they lose the game   lets start slapping them stats on marmol  and then the stats  might show the real game he throws. Now I understand  why  Carlos Zambrano  bad mouths  him ,,cause the starters work hard MANY innings  not  just one inning  ,and then he throws it away  ,,I would be upset too having a loss cause of marmol…

        • Tony_Hall

          By your logic (thats really hard to say you have any logic), all closers should be perfect.  That is just plain clueless talking…are you Jim Hendry?

    • Tony_Hall

      You don’t even know who you are listening to, that is what is sounding so stupid.  

      Marmol has never lost more games than he has saved, ever.  Not sure anyone understands your points.

      • Bo-ce-phus

        shut up Tony,, i wasn’t just talking today,,, im talking in general,,theres a saying for you ,,,Light travels faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.,,so crawl back into your hole until asked  ok..

        • Tony_Hall

          You have spoken, and now we know, you are not bright!

          • pete187

            I smell a perma-ban coming.  There are plenty of sites people can go to and flame, swear, and generally be disrespectful.  This site is a nice refuge from that.  

          • Tony_Hall

            I hope so.  You don’t come on this site and disrespect Neil.  I can take people bad mouthing others, but Neil is off limits.  He does far too much for all of us Cubs fans, for anyone to talk bad about him, in any way, shape, or form.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

            Don’t pull on Superman’s cape, Don’t gripe about Pedro pitching inside (some of the younger fans may not get reference for that I say look it up) and don’t screw with the staff here at CCO. They do one heck of a job.

            If you want to rant and rave and speak nonsense go to the cubs site on CBSsports.com

            hehehhehehe had to throw that last one in.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Thanks Guys!

          • diehardcubfan

            Your welcome!!

          • paulcatanese

            Agree with the guys, just shut the game off and read some of that stuff. You don’t deserve anything but praise, If it was me, I would ask him to post elsewhere.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Carrie Muskat: Cubs Ramirez may get late All-Star invite Should know Sat nite. Bochy needs another 3B now that Chipper Jones on DL

    • KevininSandiego

      I will bet money Sandoval is selected.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    I hope that Dave Campbell sticks around to replace Bob when he goes back to a dugout somewhere. I have missed his intelligent take on a game and his actually relevant stories. I use to love when he did games for ESPN.

    • paulcatanese

      Boy do I agree with that, he is great to listen to.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Castro with his 39th RBI of the season … just two behind Soriano.

  • diehardcubfan

    Finally, we are seeing the Cubs offense we have been waiting for all year.  This is the lineup the majority of us wanted to see and it is starting to respond.  Too bad it only took the 90th game to get there. 

    Hopefully it will stay like this for the rest of the year. 

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Dempster walks the leadoff batter with a 4-run lead and it costs him a pair of runs.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Nice hit by Soriano. Did not over swing.

  • Bo-ce-phus

    Cubs need  new pitching  we have the fielding ……and god knows  we need a new closer  one that can get a strike …and neil hes not in long enough to make a difference  or help the cub’s  Other then give the game away  .,,Stats   lmao ///

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      yep last in the league in defense but we have defense. Wow you make my head hurt.

      • paulcatanese

        Cmon Richard, Soriono even bought a new glove and a jar of stickum.

  • Ripsnorter1

    Dempster is getting lit up. He can blow this lead yet . . . .

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Dempster walks Walker to start the fifth … ahead 1-2 at one point.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Dempster and Quade had a heated argument in the dugout after Quade told him he was pulling him for a pinch hitter

    • Ripsnorter1

      No respect for the manager’s authority. Bad news for everybody.

    • GaryLeeT

      That’s what happens when you wait until game 91 of the season to be a real manager.

      • diehardcubfan

        In all fairness to Dempster he has a proven track record of going deep in games.  He should be given the benefit of the doubt. 

        The same case cannot be made for Lopez or Ortiz.  They have not pitched much the last couple of years so you are not sure what you get. 

        I definitely agree with you though you do not wait this long to be in charge.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From Carrie Muskat: Scott Rolen
    to replace Chipper Jones on NL All-Star. That would mean no trip to Phoenix for Ramirez

    • Rbmercer

      ROLEN??? .245 avg 5HR 35RBI .278OBP

      I don’t see it.

      • Tony_Hall

        What does that say for how much respect ARam gets around the league?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    From the Tribune: Going to be interesting to hear the spin on the Quade-Dempster squabble. Dempster was removed after 83 pitches in his last start. And if Quade loses Dempster, does that means he’s lost the team? Dempster was the first to lobby for Quade to keep job last September.

    • RickinMSP

      You’re right, you can’t lose your team leadership and expect to keep control of the team.  This may be the begining of the end of the Quade regime.  Plus taking the starters out when they still have plenty in the tank and are still effective, not that Demp was lights out tonight, needlessly taxes the bullpen.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

        Demp has sat for a week and is going to need to put his big boy pants on for this one. After walking the lead off batter the last 2 innings he needed to be taken out. Hopefully after the last 2 innings that Shark gave us we can get through the 8th here with Wood and tie this one down. Demp still gets a W but no need to push your luck.

    • jfish1219

      I never new Quade had any leadership over the team, I thought he just gave everyone stupid nicknames

    • Cheryl

      This squble with Quade, could it result in Dempster asking for a trade?

  • RickinMSP

    I know somebody said this earlier, but I’d forgotten just how good Dave Campbell is.  I really miss him on ESPN.

  • jfish1219

    hey guys not sure if anyone else saw this on mlb trade rumors 
    “The Cubs are likely to pass on requests for starting pitchers Ryan Dempster, Carlos Zambrano and Matt Garza, writes Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.”
    The cubs stupidity never ceases to amaze me

    • diehardcubfan

      The question remains is this conjecture or personal analysis or based on information obtained from an inside source.  Granted Dempsters and Big Zs contracts do make them ideal trade bait but one could only hope that one would be dealt. 

      My opinion is that the Cubs brass based on the progress of the young Cubs pitchers this year do not think any are ready for the ML yet so they might be seriously considering holding on to them at least one more year hoping that some of the young guns will be ready by 2013. 

      I guess we will have to see.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      You have to have arms to replace them with. Right now they are pressing there young guys up a level just to have enough arms in the system. IF they get some quality guys back in trades that can be put right into the rotation that position will change.

      • jfish1219

        the way I look at it if you can get some one to clear Z or Demps contract and that is a giant if, you gotta do it. I’m sure they can find some pitcher on the scrap heap to pitch the rest of the year and then use some of the cash saved to grab some in free agency.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

          You want to bring back Doug Davis? Wells is already struggling and Cashner is going to left in the pen when he gets back. Lopez is well Lopez. We got have guys that give us innings in those spots. Retreads won’t work. Now IF we do move Marmol for a stud starter prospect say a Tanner Scheppers from Texas (i know he has struggled this year). Then it is a whole different ballgame as far as innings is concerned.

          • cubtex

            Richard…This year is lost as it is. I have been saying to blow up this rotation for the last month with the exception of Garza. I would really like to see Samardzija get a shot for some starts in the 2nd half. Maybe(like you say) aquire a stud prospect for Marmol and hopefully Cashner will be looked at again next year in the rotation. Garza,Cashner and Shark could be 3 pretty good pieces as part of your rotatation for next year.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

            I think that we are going to need innings eaters. I did see that Jimenez is being talked about so a trade of Z and use the pieces to add to our offer for him would be sweet. It is not going to happen.

            We need pitchers that are closer to being in the big leagues. We got some good arms in our system but injuries have dogged a lot of their development this year.

            There is very little pitching to be had in the high minors in general. That is why I said that someone trading us a great prospect for Marmol we have to listen. Just because there is not that many guys that going to be moved. The days of getting a John Smoltz for a rental are probably over.

          • cubtex

            I don’t think the Rockies would want Z in a trade for Jiminez. I think Jiminez is injury prone and I doubt very much he will have any where near the success that he had that one year.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

            What I meant was trade Z in one trade then use to the pieces to get him. Sorry wasn’t very clear when I reread it.

          • jfish1219

            I could care less at this point who they bring back for the rest of this year whats the worst that they can do. Now on the other hand I haven’t looked at who will be a free agent after the season, if that is a giant pile of suckfest then I wouldn’t trade any of our starters

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

            CJ Wilson is the best available right now. But it is going to take a Dempster style contract to get him.

          • cubtex

            CJ Wilson would be nice but it would take a lot to get him.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

            And a long contract. I think we would end up with a 5 year contract again for about 15 million. Which is fine for the front half but those last 2 years are going to be tough to stomach.

            There is talk that Texas is trying to extend him before he is a FA so we will have to see where that ends up.

        • diehardcubfan

          Another point to make here is if Dempster or Big Z got traded then JH would be admitting to defeat and unfortunately I can’t see that.

          He has consistently stated the Cubs can contend even now and if he started trading away any of the big three that would be interpreted as throwing in the towel. That would pretty much shoot what little credibility he still has.

          Granted we will have to see what happens between Dempster and Quade now.  It will be interesting to see who wins and what happens next. 

      • diehardcubfan

        You are right.  I do not think the Cubs would get any ML ready pitchers that could go in the rotation for Big Z or Dempster.  In my opinion more like AA but again anything could happen.

    • Jim_Tinley_Park

      Not that those guys are great, but they need someone to pitch next year.

      • jfish1219

        I wouldn’t dump all 3 but like I said above if you can get someone to take Z or Demp at the very least you have to entertain the offer

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    THANK YOU DAVE CAMPBELL. We have been talking about Marmol’s loss of velocity he see it in seconds. Why isn’t our pitching coach all over Marmol about that very thing.

    • J Daniel

      Do you think these coaches don’t say anything?  Often I read here or hear on the radio talk about what do the coaches teach or tell the players.  I am sure they are not sitting around?  Ultimately, it is up to the players to execute.

      Most of the time the answer is really simple, GET BETTER PLAYERS!

    • paulcatanese

      He was also great in his assesment of Fukudome and his defense, very astute and truthful, especialy about te walks and the way the Cubs approach hitting.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs beat Pirates 6-3 on Saturday night. Starlin Castro: 3-for-5, 2B, RBI, R;
    Kosuke Fukudome: 2-for-4, 2B, BB, RBI, 2R; Byrd, Soriano, Pena each with RBI; Ryan Dempster:
    3R, 7H, 3BB, 4K, 5IP. Cubs pen with 4 innings of shutout ball, just one hit allowed in relief of Dempster.

  • cubtex

    OK…Humor me here. If we all knew before the season that our key hitters would have these stats…would anyone think the Cubs record would be what it is? Many in the offseason were saying that the pitching wasn’t the issue. I think I was only one of the few in favor of the Garza deal. Many wanted Coleman inserted in the rotation from the start of the year and after 1/2 season.. The Cubs are last in starting pitching! The injuries to Cashner and Wells at the beginning of the year was devastating and Dempster had a horrific start..but look at these stats. They are about what was expected by me with Barney being a huge surprise.

    Barney- .300 average with 86 hits that I believe leads all rookies
    Castro-.307 average with 113 hits(2nd in the NL)
    ARAM- .300 average  15 HR’s and 50 RBI
    Pena-  low average(was expected)  but 19 HR’s(among league leaders) 48 RBI
    Soriano-   .265   14 HR’s  and 40 RBI  ( isn’t that about was expected)

    So, the main part of the lineup has done what was expected with the exception of Soto but the defense is horrendous(last in baseball) and Starting pitching. When Cashner and Wells went down…the duo of James Russell and Casey Coleman lost almost every start. Add Doug Davis after Russell and he wasn’t any better.

    I hope they rebuild this starting rotation and try and unload some of these veterans for some pieces to build around for the future. They need to add speed and defense and most of all….STARTING PITCHING.

    • diehardcubfan

      The key in my opinion to this whole season was ARAM.  If ARAM would have been batting 3rd and hitting like he is now from the beginning I think the Cubs would at least be hovering around .500.  He is the offense, the problem is that JH did not put much around him to protect him nor did they have a plan if he was stumbling out of the block.

      Agree the Cubs rotation is a mess.  But Wells and Cashner’s injuries should of had little to no significance on the Cubs season if Dempster, Big Z and Garza pitched like they should be.  Even with Wells back from the DL he has not pitched well at all.  Makes you wonder what impact Rothschild had on the staff, particularly the starters and begs to wonder if Riggins is getting through.  Given that the problems have persisted across the whole starting staff makes me think the problem is on the coaching side and not the players but I might be wrong.

      ARAM is the key to the whole season.  If he has a good second half the Cubs could possibly get to .500.

      • cubtex

        I think Cashner and Wells injuries had a huge impact. What was the record in games started by Russell,Coleman and Davis?

        • diehardcubfan

          Yes, you are right that obviously Russell, Coleman and Davis were ineffective but as I stated before that has only been magnified by the poor and inconsistent performances of Dempster, Big Z and Garza. 

          If those three would have pitched to their potential then the issue at the back end of the rotation would not be so big.

          • cubtex

            agreed….. but mostly Dempster was the problem with the 2 replacements for the 4 and 5 spots. IMO

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      I think Coleman is salvageable. He still is going to be a gut it out middle of the rotation type. He just should have been left alone to get his confidence back when he didn’t win the job out of spring training. My question at this point is Wells? Is he going to get back to where he was in the spring? If he can get back to a number 4 starter and give us some innings 2nd half that will be huge.

      • cubtex

        I think Coleman is at best and I want to stress…at best a #5. I think they can do better. I agree with Wells. If he struggles in the 2nd half they need to replace him for next year too.

        • diehardcubfan

          I agree with you on both points. 

        • Cheryl

          They may not take a chance on Wells. He needs to work under another pitching coach to get anywhere. He’s probably trade bait at this point. Marmol should be traded. They need some consistency from starters and relievers alike. Right now the bullpen is shot.  If they trade Pena, I hope they go for a top level pitching prospect, and maybe a top level infielder. for 1st or third.

          • cubtex

            I think Rothschild had a big influence on this pitching staff and it is showing up big time this year. I agree. I don’t think they can get a top piching prospect for Pena but maybe a descent infield prospect.

      • Coachdon

        I would not count on Wells for much of anything. I would not have him in my top five starters next year, unless a couple guys get hurt again. Personally, I would like to see if Marshall could start. That could be the lefty you need.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    Did anyone else hear the stat that they gave on Dempster on baseball tonight? They said the Cubs were 11 and 2 in his last 13 starts. That does not even sound close to correct. Will watch the 11 pm episode to see if they say it again. I would love for some one to verify that one. It just seems wrong.

    • Zach

      I just looked on Yahoo sports and looked at Dempster’s last 13 starts and the Cubs are 9-4 in them not 11-2.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

        that sounds closer to the truth. Still better than I thought.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Zach, thank you for posting but I don’t think the Yahoo page has been updated for tonight’s game yet. Before tonight, the Cubs were 9-4 in Dempster’s last 13. Including tonight, the Cubs are 10-3 in his last 13.

      The Cubs are 12-7 in Dempster’s 19 starts this season … including tonight.

      • Zach

        Thank you for correcting me, I forgot to look to see if they updated it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

        Neil have you heard anything about why Camp is on the suspended list at Tennessee? I can not seem to find information on it anywhere.

        • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

          No I have not. The organization has been very quiet about the suspension … sorry.