Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Giants – 06/28/11

Game Seventy-Nine: Cubs (32-46) vs. Giants (44-34)
Game Time – 1:20pm CDT
Coverage – TV: WGN TV – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 187
Location – Wrigley Field, Chicago

Doug Davis (1-6, 5.01/1.69) vs. Ryan Vogelsong (5-1, 1.86/1.09)

Tuesday is a full day of baseball for the Chicago Cubs. Due to the postponement of the finale of the three game series with the Giants back on Sunday, May 15, the Cubs have a very tough task ahead of them today … two against the defending World Series Champions with Doug Davis and Rodrigo Lopez starting the games.

Carlos Zambrano was scheduled to face Tim Lincecum and the Cubs had a chance to win the series. The Cubs won the opener behind Ryan Dempster but dropped the Saturday night game in Doug Davis’ debut. Rain shortened the second game to just six innings and Ryan Vogelsong picked up a complete game shutout in the process (3-0). The finale of the series that started on May 13 will actually feature a rematch from game two.

With Barry Zito taking the hill for game two, look for Mike Quade to run out as many lefties as he can this afternoon, including Koyie Hill who has basically become Doug Davis’ catcher.

In other newsBobby Scales is no longer in the Cubs organization. The Cubs gave Scales his unconditional release and will receive cash considerations from the Nippon Ham Fighters. Scales is the second Chicago Cub to leave the states to play ball in Japan over the last year. Scales will join his former teammate, Micah Hoffpauir, on the Nippon Ham Fighter’s roster.

Marlon Byrd was 0-for-3 with a walk, two runs scored and a stolen base in his first rehab start with the I-Cubs on Monday night … and John Ely hit Byrd with a pitch in his rib cage in the bottom of the third. Byrd is shooting to return to the big league club either in the finale against the White Sox or on the 4th of July for the opener of the four-game series with the Nationals.

Darwin Barney was 1-for-4 in his third rehab game on Monday night. John Ely also plunked Barney on Monday night. Barney is 3-for-11 with a home run in three games back down on the farm. Barney is expected to be activated prior to Wednesday night’s game against the Giants.

The Cubs will miss two familiar faces this series … both Mike Fontenot and Mark DeRosa are on the DL.

On a very happy day for Ernie Banks, game one all starts with Doug Davis

Doug Davis is coming off another loss and the Cubs are just 1-7 in his eight starts this season. Davis gave up four runs, three earned, on eight hits in five innings of work. Davis walked two and struck out two after hitting a wall in the fourth inning. Davis was cruising along but faded quickly and barely completed five innings.

Davis has been effective at Wrigley Field this season despite his 1-3 record. Davis has allowed 11 runs, seven earned, on 19 hits in 23 1/3 innings with 10 walks and 18 strikeouts (2.70 ERA and a 1.24 WHIP).

The veteran southpaw made his Cubs debut in the rain shortened game against the Giants back on May 14. Davis allowed three runs, one earned, on four hits with a walk and six strikeouts in five innings. Ryan Vogelsong shut out the Cubs in a game that was called after just six complete.

Today will be Davis’ 21st career start against the Giants. Davis is 5-9 in 21 games, 20 starts, with a 4.60 ERA and a 1.64 WHIP.

Giants Career Numbers against Doug Davis

  • Pat Burrell – 1-for-15 with a double
  • Emmanuel Burriss – 3-for-9
  • Bill Hall – 2-for-6 with a home run
  • Aubrey Huff – 1-for-6
  • Cody Ross – 6-for-17 with 2 doubles, a home run and 5 walks
  • Aaron Rowand – 9-for-32 with a double and 6 walks
  • Pablo Sandoval – 9-for-21 with a walk
  • Nate Schierholtz – 1-for-6 with a triple
  • Miguel Tejada – 4-for-18 with a double, a home run and 3 walks
  • Andres Torres – 3-for-7 with 2 triples and 2 walks
  • Ryan Vogelsong – 2-for-4
  • Eli Whiteside – 0-for-5

Ryan Vogelsong is one of the reasons the Giants are leading the West as the halfway point of the season approaches. Vogelsong is coming off an impressive victory against the Twins (one run on four hits in seven innings with a walk and three strikeouts) and has not lost a game since May 26 (Florida Marlins).

Vogelsong has not allowed more than two earned runs in any start since May 3 (in New York against the Mets) and is 2-0 in his last four starts with a 2.00 ERA and a 1.04 WHIP.

Vogelsong has a complete game shutout on his 2011 resume … and that came at the Cubs expense back on May 14. The rain-shortened the game to a six-inning affair but by rule Vogelsong was awarded with a complete game for his efforts. The Cubs managed seven hits and a walk but could not push across a run in the rain.

Today will be Vogelsong’s seventh career start against the Cubs organization … 2-4 in 12 career games, six starts, with a 6.39 ERA and a 1.66 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Ryan Vogelsong

  • Starlin Castro – 2-for-3
  • Doug Davis – 0-for-3
  • Blake DeWitt – 1-for-3
  • Kosuke Fukudome – 0-for-3
  • Koyie Hill – 0-for-4
  • Reed Johnson – 0-for-1
  • Carlos Pena – 0-for-2 with a walk
  • Aramis Ramirez – 5-for-12 with 2 home runs and a walk
  • Alfonso Soriano – 1-for-4

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  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Game One lineup:

    Fukudome – RF
    Campana – CF
    Castro – SS
    Ramirez – 3B
    Pena – 1B
    Soriano – LF
    DeWitt – 2B
    Hill – C
    Davis – P

  • Aaron

    I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say the Cubs will get swept in the DH today.

    • BosephHeyden

      One thing is for certain:  the Cubs either continue or end their lack of having a three game win streak today.  But yeah, they probably lose both.

      • Ripsnorter1

        How can you say that with Doug Davis pitching for us?

    • paulcatanese

      Right now it’s the fifth and there down 11-3, you may be right Aaron, good chance they may lose this one.

  • Brentcarmona

    not that anybody cares,

    just flew into chicago yesterday for the first time ever! sadly my first ecer cubs game at wrigley will be the nightcap game ughhh i agree with mighty davis/lopez pitching today we will.get swept. but whatever ive been waiting for this day for many years ill soak in whatever i can. hopefully wrigley is not a dump as gammons says it is.

    and thanks aaron for posting that bball america list of signed cubs picks ive been checking it everyday…and i dont know what the hell is the point because….hnm…o yeah the cubs havent signed anybody new past two weeks it seems lol except for some cubans. pretty upset like you are we must make some signings, august is creeping up. hopefully these meetings on monday with the front office gives then an idea on who to sign and we will see something happen next week…

    • BosephHeyden

      Well, here’s a bit of hope:  my first Cubs game was a game late in 2006.  It was easy to get into because we haggled a street vendor down from $20 per ticket to $11.  That game also happened to be a big breakout game for new Cub Ryan Theriot, and the Cubs won the game.  Basically:  the Cubs typically do better than you expect when you don’t expect anything good.

    • paulcatanese

      You will thoroughly enjoy the visit. It’s said that the first time you see the park as you walk up the stairs to the field is breathtaking. It was for me anyway. Used to get to the park as soon as they would let us in and watched the players come on to the field one at a time to warm up. I paid $3.00 for a box seat anywhere I wanted. Those days are coming back.

  • paulcatanese

    I am glad Campana is in the lineup, but why not just bat him third or fourth. That would make as much sense as being number two. Quade is just plain stubborn.Again lead off with Campana,Castro 2 and Fuko 3rd. Why is that so hard for Quade?

    • gocubs

      Why on earth would you put one of the worst hitters on the team (Campana) in the lead off spot -where he will get more at-bats than anyone else? 

      • paulcatanese

        The greatest quality Campana has is speed and not his hitting,yet. I am saying he would have to hit first in the lineup to take advantage of that speed. I did not put him at number two, Quade did. He is hamstrung there as the likelyhood would be Fuko gets on and Campana would have someone in front of him. If he is to be used at the upper end of the lineup,its useless at the two spot.

    • Denio

      Agree… to put someone on base in front of Campana takes away his greatest asset… To quote Homer Simpson…
      Operator! Give me the number for 911!

  • Dizzle

    If only the Cubs listened to this board. Throughout the last few years The starting lineup should be:
    CF-Nate McClouth
    2B- Dan Uggla
    SS- Starlin Castro
    3B- anyone but Aramis Ramirez
    RF- Adam Dunn
    LF- Carlos Lee
    1B- Jake Fox

    If only….
    C- Robinson Chirinos

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

      Yep that lineup would have struck out 1000 times by now. And everyone would be asking for Girardi’s job.

    • gocubs

      thats a terrible lineup. The 2011 Cubs lineup is WAY better than that.  

      • Anonymous47701

        I have to agree with you strongly on this one. Aint no way the fans are gonna go down to Wrigley and see another aging, flat footed and unproductive lineup, with the exception of Castro.

    • Payton34023

      Haven’t posted in a while, but WOW, that is one of the worst kinetic of all time! Maybe if that was our lineup in 06′ but if that was our lineup today we’d possibly be in worse shape than we are now and our payroll would probably be doubled!

    • cc002600

      That lineup would lose 100 games ….easy
      Dunn in RF ?  LOL

  • gocubs

    If Pena is traded, would they bring up Colvin to play 1B?  He is playing really well down in AAA and why not give him half a season of regular playing time on the Cubs?  Why is Campana and Montenez getting regular playing time over Colvin?  Why hasnt Colvin been subbing in CF this whole time for Byrd?

    I have a feeling Hendry will not trade Pena because he is going to re-sign him.  

    • paulcatanese

      I agree and have said some time ago that Pena and Aram are not going anywhere. JH is not about to get rid of Pena as he thinks he will be good for 30-40 home runs a year,plus JH is not about to admit another bad contract, he also evisions a career year ahead for Pena.

    • Anonymous47701

      I’d like to see Jim Hendry use the Pena Trade Chip to net Chris Davis and Darren O’Day. Keeping Pena at Wrigley is NOT Acceptable in my opinion.

      • paulcatanese

        It’s not my choice either, but he will be here.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Mike Quade will join NL coaching staff for All-Star Game. Quade is taking Riggleman’s spot.

    • gocubs

      Thats a joke right?  Maybe they are taking him along to chaperon Castro.
         

      • paulcatanese

        No,it’s not a joke,simply shining him on and repaying him for being the manager that they all can count on to give them a win when they play the Cubs. The problem here is Ricketts and JH will use this as an endorsement with their signing of him as manager. Also gives them the PR that injuries and not poor management from top to bottom have caused the demise of the Cubs this year.

      • cc002600

        Don’t you mean “Cassie” ???
         
        LOL

      • GaryLeeT

        In Allstar voting, Castro is not even in the top 5 for SS. Since they have to pick one from every team, I think Marmol will be the only Cub to go.

    • T_Leise

      Did the rest of the managers already have plans?

    • T_Leise

      Maybe they know this will be his only year as a big league manager and felt bad for him

  • John_CC

    Campana’s most value is coming off the bench to pinch run when a game is on the line and then stay in as a defensive sub.  I like him too Paul, for the way he plays, but he just doesn’t hit enough to be anywhere at the top of the order.

    While Fukudome may not be ideal, his OBP remains very high so I’d leave him in the leadoff. Like you said Campana is wasted in the 2 hole and plus Castro flat out rakes there. Aramis is the best option at 3rd and Pena (to most of us) is a no-brainer cleanup hitter.

    I guess, if for whatever reason Quade has, Aramis and Pena just have to be the 4-5 hitters, then I would rather have Dome in the 3 hole (he’s way better than DeWitt) to keep Castro in the 2 hole and slot Campana in leadoff.

    I just realized how sick of this lineup crap that we all put energy into. Who cares? Really, I just hope the Cubs lose so we can all move on, the sooner the better. 

    • cc002600

      Honestly, I stopped caring about 2 months ago.
      I am shocked that ANYONE still cares.
      They are going to lose 90+, so what does any of it matter ?

      • John_CC

        It doesn’t. At all.  I stopped caring long ago too.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Another great start 

  • Ripsnorter1

    This report says Byrd got nailed in the shoulder:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6710860

    I don’t think he’s seeing the ball well. He got nailed 5x in Boston, the last being the pitch in the eye.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Multiple reports right after the game said he was hit in the rib cage.

      • Ripsnorter1

        Then ESPN is wrong. Again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    here is to hoping they “showcasing” Hill today to get him traded to San Fran.

  • GaryLeeT

    The theme for this 100 loss season should be “and another walk scores”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    wow is Pena hot or what

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Pena with #17! 

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Koyie homers to tie the game, #2 for Hill

  • John_CC

    I’m so sick of Davis and his labored 5 inning starts.

    • paulcatanese

      Agree John, not only that Quade did not have anyone warming up and then Carpenter with a hurry up,get loose and comes in,bases loaded 0 out. Very intellegent management here.

  • cubtex

    Pena and ARam are veterans with proven track records who both will have solid numbers by end of year. That is why you don’t bench vetrrans. Everyone was screaming to bench Pena or cut him in April….but you don’t hit 46, 31, 39 and 28 HR’s the last 4 years by fluke! He has never been a high average guy….but ALWAYS a high hr and rbi guy!

    • cc002600

       Like Adam Dunn?
      :-)

      • cubtex

        That’s why Dunn is not being benched. He has a track record. Rookies and young players need to produce right away.

        • cc002600

          Understand.

          But when the year is over, he will be nowhere near his career averages of HR / RBI.  Not even close.

          So you can’t say that every veteran come back and end up with his career norms just because of his track record.  Doesn’t always happen.

           

          • Ripsnorter1

            Dunn is a complete head case right now. I’d sit his hide down.

          • cc002600

            I warned you all winter that he was a dog, did I not ?
            :-)

            The sox have as many bad contracts as Cubs now, but everyone seems to give Kenny genuis a pass….

            Peavy, Dunn, Teahen, Rios, Pierre.The Tank, …..lots and lots of dead money

          • Aaron

            NOT a very good argument by you there…

            Considering he’s a player that averages nearly 40 hr, 100 RBI, and 100 walks every season to go along with a .380+OBP……

            ummmmmmm….name one Cub player that is even remotely consistent like that.

            Your premise is flawed, because your judgement is clouded, as you simply think because he K’s a lot, he’s a lousy player.

            Pujols struggled this year for the first time in his career, just like Dunn….ironically, both were similarly consistent. 

            Does that mean Pujols is a dog?

            I’ll admit, I still have a man crush on Dunn….I’ll also admit that he’s sucked this year, but I’ll also say that I’d take him over every single Cubs hitter right now, except for Castro. Again, name one Cubs hitter that can claim the remarkable consistency that Dunn has had in his career, and you win the argument. You could make the case for ARAM, but after his shoulder injury a couple years ago, he’s a shell of his former self.

            Could Dunn’s appendectomy have a significant impact on his performance thus far? It’s definitely a reasonable possibility at about 50-50, as a good amount of players have had appendectomies in the past with different levels of success in their production. I just find it hard to believe Dunn is a bad player all of a sudden.

          • cubtex

            I agree. I am glad the Cubs didn’t sign Dunn. He can’t play D either…but the point I was making is giving vets time. Kids like Colvin don’t have a track record of long term success so they are on a shorter leash.

          • cc002600

            Yea, but do you really expect young guys to come up and light the world on fire as soon as they get here ?  That’s unfair.  If you don’t give young guys a chance to grow and develop, you will never develop any young talent. 

            And the cubs are exhibit A with that statement

    • paulcatanese

      Agree, and as Iv’e said. they arent going anywhere, they will be back next year.

      • cubtex

        I don’t think so…but with Fielder’s huge start his price is going up. I hope they don’t overpay for a 1st baseman. This team needs alot more than Fielder.

  • Anonymous47701

    Why Couldn’t The City of Chicago create like a Wrigley Council to make  decisions regarding Wrigley Field and determine whether or not the ballpark was safe enough to watch games instead of signing it as a Historical Landmark in 2004. Not that I am saying that it is a Dump in any form or shape, but I have somewhat of a problem with how the Main Grandstand was built. I’ve Looked some tour pictures and video on various sites; while the Main Deck outside looks like it is in good shape, inside the concourse needs alot of renovating, especially the upper deck.

  • RynoTiger

    now that was bad managing by Quade.

    why not have Dewitt bunt to get Soriano to 3rd so that you have at least have a better shot with getting another run on the board with a sac fly or groundout or wildpitch or passball or error

    dumb.

    Quade may be a first year manager, but he’s been a coach watching the game for what, 20+ years already?  you’d think he would have game plans better planned than what he’s shown.

  • Brp921

     It looked like the tenth run was an out …..but who in the hell cares anymore.

    • Brp921

      Nice play Soriano.
       

  • John_CC

    11 runs by this offense? Could this finally be Davis’ last start?  There will be no way Quade can apologize his way out of this one, it is anything but a good start. And the bullpen will toast for the nightcap.  Use up Grabow and Russell in this game please. 

    • cubtex

      I agree but who is there to bring up???? Casey Coleman again? Not impressed. Ramon Ortiz? He’s 38. Jay Jackson? He is 3-7 with a 7.22. They have nobody ready in the minors. This is why they need to trade a piece like Marmol and/or Soto for starting pitching.

      • John_CC

        Yes, Casey Coleman.  Let him start, he either learns to adjust or not. After 15 consistent starts it would a lot easier to determine if he is worth keeping around not. The point is: what’s there to lose!?

        • cubtex

          Nothing to lose I guess…but do you really want Casey Coleman to be in the rotation for next year? I really hope they can do better than that.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Beyond ugly …

  • RynoTiger

    umm..was Carpenter the best pitcher to bring in during that inning?  so far I haven’t seen anything to indicate he would be good to bring in during an inning where you have that type of jam and hope to get out of it…

    so me thinks another poor Quade decision

    and can we fire the pitching coach while we’re at it…. 

    • roguesqr09

      Everytime they bring in Carpenter, there’s a man on 3rd or two men on. It was that way for his first appearance as well. How is that at ALL supposed to help him build confidence or as they say, placed in a position to win. 

      • paulcatanese

        On top of that Carpenter was not really loose. He wasn’t told to warm up until the bases were already loaded and Riggens came out to talk to Davis.

    • Anonymous47701

      Absolutely! Riggins is just sitting on his A#$ doing nothing but watching the Pitchers on the mound give away runs like candy canes. I say try out Dave Duncan or Dennis Llewallyn.

      • cubtex

        Riggins is way over his head! The Cubs lead the league in bases on balls abd Dempster has had the worst start in 4 years. Is it all Riggins fault? No… but he has not had a positive influence on any of the starters. Imo

  • paulcatanese

    The Giants did the smart thing in the bottom of the fifth and pitched around the Cubs 3-4–5  and choose to pitch to DeWitt, two runs score on a ground ball to second, booted and still called a hit. pretty tough to get runs with DeWitt, and Hill up there with two out.Thedid manage three though.

  • Anonymous47701

    Happy Trails to Bobby Scales!!!

  • Tom U

    In what may be a developing story, the organization moved 3B Travis Garcia and C Rafael Lopez from the AZL Cubs to Boise. Boise has promoted  C Chad Noble and IF Dustin Harrington to Daytona. 

    The prelude to things to come? Stay tuned!

    • GrantJones7

      Im surprised there havnt been more! Prolly due to lack of signings..but thats another discussion

      Look for a bunch of moves, iv heard RUMORS (no reports) That Szczur is to go to Tenn, should be some interesting moves

    • ZT

      I hope that Justin Bour gets called up to double-A because he has been killing it in Single-A, maybe he could be the Cubs future first baseman if they don’t sign Fielder.

  • GaryLeeT

    I wish I could put my finger on the main reason why the Cubs will be a 100 loss team. Oh well, maybe it will come to me later.

  • Darrenmcculloch

    Another great outing by Doug Davis. Can someone on here go to Wrigley Field and put that old horse out of his misery?

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs drop game one 13-7 to Giants – Pena: 1-for-4, HR, BB, 2RBI; DeWitt: 2-for-4, 3RBI; Davis’ line: 10R, 12H, 3BB, 3K in 4.1 IP