Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. White Sox – 06/22/11

Game Seventy-Four: Cubs (30-43) vs. White Sox (36-39)
Game Time – 7:10pm CDT
Coverage – TV: Comcast SportsNet – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 180
Location – U.S. Cellular Field, Chicago

Doug Davis (1-5, 4.95/1.65) vs. Jake Peavy (2-1, 4.66/0.97)

Weather permitting … The Cubs and White Sox will complete the first round of the City Series tonight. A couple of streaks are on the line tonight on the South Side. The Cubs have lost their last five series in Interleague play while the Sox have won 16 straight series in Interleague play.

Aramis Ramirez is expected to be the Cubs designated hitter tonight. Where will Blake DeWitt play?

Jake Peavy will return from his second trip to the DL tonight to face the Chicago Cubs. Peavy has been on the DL since June 6 with a strained adductor in his right groin. Peavy will make only his fifth start of the season tonight. The overly aggressive Cubs offense must make him work tonight. Swinging early and often will play right into Peavy’s hands.

Q’s squad is looking to win their first road series in over a month. The last time the Cubs won a series on the road was May 18 – May 19 in Florida … and tonight it all starts with Doug Davis.

Without a doubt Doug Davis is coming off his best start of the season … and arguably is best start in well over two years. Davis held the Bronx Bombers to one run on three hits in 7 1/3 innings with three walks and four strikeouts. Davis slowed the game down and lulled the Yankees into submission … hopefully he has the same game plan tonight against the Sox.

Doug Davis has really struggled outside of Wrigley Field this season. Davis is 0-2 in three road starts with a 9.00 ERA and a 2.38 WHIP. If Davis has trouble locating his fastball tonight those numbers could get worse in a hurry.

Tonight will be Davis’ sixth career start versus the Pale Hose. Davis is 1-3 in six career games, five starts, against the Sox with a 5.00 ERA and a 1.78 WHIP. The last time Davis faced the Southsiders was back in 2002 as a member of the Texas Rangers’ rotation (0-2 in two starts with a 5.91 ERA and a 1.88 WHIP).

White Sox Career Numbers against Doug Davis

  • Ramon Castro – 1-for-2 with a walk
  • Adam Dunn – 7-for-37 with 3 home runs and 9 walks
  • Paul Konerko – 4-for-14 with a double
  • Juan Pierre – 11-for-28 with 3 doubles, a triple and 3 walks
  • Alex Rios – 0-for-1 with a walk
  • Mark Teahen – 3-for-6 with a double
  • Omar Vizquel – 9-for-43 with a double, a home run and 8 walks

To no surprise Jake Peavy will return from the DL tonight just in time to face the Cubs. Peavy has owned the Cubs throughout his career and has had a little extra motivation over the past three seasons when he faces a Cubs team.

Peavy has not pitched in a Major League game since June 5 … and that was a dud against the Tigers. Peavy lasted just four innings and gave up six runs on three hits with three walks and four strikeouts. Peavy has not made it past the fourth inning in two of his five starts this season.

When Jake Peavy is on, he is still one of the best.

Tonight will be Peavy’s 11th career start against the Chicago Cubs … 5-2 in 10 starts with a 2.40 ERA and a 1.20 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Jake Peavy

  • Starlin Castro – 0-for-3
  • Blake DeWitt – 0-for-7
  • Kosuke Fukudome – 4-for-13 with 3 doubles and 2 walks
  • Koyie Hill – 1-for-6
  • Reed Johnson – 0-for-1 with a walk
  • Carlos Pena – 2-for-7 with 2 walks
  • Aramis Ramirez – 5-for-19 with a double, a home run and a walk
  • Alfonso Soriano – 7-for-22 with 3 doubles, 3 home runs and 2 walks
  • Geovany Soto – 2-for-6 with 2 doubles

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Let’s Talk Cubs Baseball …

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  • Neil

    Tonight’s lineup:

    Fukudome – RF
    Castro – SS
    Ramirez – DH
    Pena – 1B
    Johnson – CF
    Soriano – LF
    DeWitt – 2B
    Baker – 3B
    Hill – C

    Davis – P

    • BosephHeyden

      I’d say that, tonight, we test Rip’s theory as to whether or not Koyie Hill wins games.  I’d say that, but judging from what’s been crossing over the top half of Illinois all day, I’d be shocked if we had a game.

    • diehardcubfan

      I am wondering if Quade is contemplating also playing DeWitt at short?  Interesting will play him in left but not at short.  DeWitt probably lacks the range but just seems possible Quade could toy with the idea.

      • Richard Hood

        Well it isn’t like he hasn’t played there before. He played for the Dodgers last year when Fucal was hurt. Only 2 games but still that is more experience than DJ had at 1st.

    • gocubs

      Isnt DeWitt’s natural position 3B and Baker’s 2B?

      • John_CC

        I believe you are correct, sir.

      • Richard Hood

        by the way DeWitt has a negative defensive rating at 3rd and a .800 fielding percentage. He actually has a pretty good d/rat at 2nd with a .974 fielding percentage. Yep he should play 3rd over everything else.

  • Neil
    • BosephHeyden

      Yep…we’re screwed.

    • studio179

      Oh, great…that’s all we need.

    • Richard Hood

      Wow talk about a kicking a horse when it’s down.

  • zipdog

    Anybody read Gene Wojciechowski’s column about Ricketts?  I agree 100% with his assessment.

  • Neil

    to Bruce Levine, Darwin Barney will begin a rehab assignment on
    Saturday or Sunday and should return from the DL around 6/29.Barney is being fitted with a brace for his left knee that he will have to wear for the next two to three months. 

  • studio179

    Again, Soriano in the field. This puzzles me. Quade can’t find one of these games or more to DH Sori? Forget the fact he did not hustle yesterday…yet again. This is bad weather. Sori slipping is a strain/pull and DL stint away.

    • Richard Hood

      he did DH the first game

    • Brentcarmona

      i think the most bogus quade move is baker at third. he is a HORRID third fielder i dont see why ramirez and him switch or him and dewitt swapping either.

      • gocubs

        Yep.  Another Quade move that just makes zero sense.  You have DeWitt in the lineup who is a good 3Bman.  Baker is a good 2Bman.  Quade continues to put players in a position to fail.  He plays guys out of position, he has pitchers pitch to hot hitting Pujols, Konerko, etc.  I just do not get it at all.  This guy makes me more frustrated than Dusty and Lou combined.

  • Neil

    Only 17 pitches for Peavy in the first inning

  • JimBo_C

    Mediocre defense.

    Pena has to catch that throw from Castro.
    Baker has to slap that tag on Pierre.

  • Neil

    Good job by Davis getting out of the jam

  • Neil

    Tremendous at bat for Soriano, walked on the 10th pitch

  • JimBo_C

    When was the last time Soriano tried to steal a base?

    • Neil

      Soriano last attempted a stolen base on August 16, 2010. Soriano last successful stolen base was in Pittsburgh on June 7, 2010

      • JimBo_C

        Thanks for looking it up.

        Just a tad less than what we expected from our 40-40 18M/year left fielder.

        Can’t ever recall a player whose “legs” deteriorated so quickly.

    • Neil

      And there ya go JimBo … Soriano stole second in the fourth inning.

      • JimBo_C

        We compelled him to do it!

  • BosephHeyden

    The last two times I’ve seen Starlin Castro bat, he’s walked.  Plate discipline finally?

    • JimBo_C

      Nice to see his stolen base count rise too.

  • BosephHeyden

    Something else:  I’ve always held that Carlos Pena makes the decision whether or not to swing at a pitch before the pitch is thrown.  But one thing I’ve noticed the last three or four times he’s not swung at a pitch is that he always takes a practice swing.  I gotta pay attention next time he’s up, but if that’s the case, that’s a pretty big tell.

  • Baron_S

    some please explain  why Dewitt is getting starts over LeMahieu??

    you are killing the kids confidence while putting this .255 hitting bum out there over and over again… Dewitt has a .275OBP and .375 slugging… WTF!

    • JimBo_C

      To quote Marcellis Wiley on ESPN …. You can’t make sense out of nonsense

  • JimBo_C

    Moments after I mention the lack of stolen bases, Soriano swipes one. Glad to see he was listening to me.

  • Neil

    Castro with another 2-out RBI

  • BillyFinT

    I will be satisfied if Fukudome gets back to .340 OBP and .230 BA in June; he’s having a little career year unlike the last three. He’s even running the bases better; but that’s perhaps because Quade is no longer his third-base coach. LOL

  • Neil

    Another blankin’ error

    • JimBo_C

      DeWitt … Quade’s outstanding “super sub” plays many positions …. None of them well

  • Neil

    Pena with another homer … third straight game

    • Kevinwickit


      Keep it up, you driving up ur trade value.

  • Matt Collins

    hill i wonder what will happen

  • Aaron

    Wow….Carpenter….that was impressive!

    • JimBo_C


  • JimBo_C

    DANG …. 4 100 mph heaters followed by a 91 mph slider! That should be illegal!

  • Neil

    Impressive 6th inning for Chris Carpenter … needs to work on his command but 1-2-3 was much-needed.

  • JimBo_C

    How would Smardzija’s stats look if the first two weeks of the season were thrown into the garbage can?

  • Aaron

    Guys, I don’t mean to be overly-analytical of this Cubs team right now, but the scene in the dugout after Pena’s hard-hit out to RF gave some great insight into the mentality of this team.

    I’m not opposed to guys congratulating each other on moving the runners over, etc., and making productive outs, nor am I opposed to players getting congratulated in the dugout for an extended AB that makes the pitcher work hard and ends in an out…..and I’m not even opposed to the occasional nod in the dugout or a few high fives when a player “just misses one”…..

    But if any of you saw the scene in the dugout after that AB, you’d understand what I’m talking about. The Cubs flat out are okay with failure from the top of the organization (otherwise they would’ve made changes by now) all the way to the field level with the players. 

    Like I said, I have no problem with players getting a few “get ’em next time” type pats on the back when they make an out like Pena did, but when your team is losing, and you line up in the dugout, where everyone is turning around from their seats at the top of the ledge, giving him a high fives like he just hit a home run, or even tied the game with a hit…..well, you know then what kind of team this is.

  • Neil

    What is Quade waiting for? Campana should be running for DeWitt right now.

    • Neil

      I take it back … Campana is now in.

  • Aaron

    wow…are you kidding me? Hill here instead of Soto with the game on the line?!?!?!

    LOL…typical Quade

    • TrevorPetersma

      I was scrambling to sign in to type that exact thing.  WTH is he thinking?

    • Richard Hood

      Could you not see that stike out coming ?

  • Aaron

    LOL….that’s freaking hilarious….Tie runner on 3rd, 1 out, Quade leaves the hapless Hill in, and he K’s easily….

    oh, and to make matters worse, he’s bringing in a tough lefty to face Fukudome, who can’t hit lefties very well….which he’ll likely leave him in as well, for, you know, his defense……because the Cubs need to protect their 1 run deficit

    • Neil

      I just don’t understand. Ozzie is showing Quade how to manage a game. Saw this pitching change coming, again I just do not understand.

      • BillyFinT

        Neil, I emailed you a few days ago. I wonder what’s your thought on that precious piece of history.

        • Neil

          I received your email and plan on addressing it this weekend. It is a great idea … thank you.

      • paulcatanese

        Neil ,so has the Phillies mgr, the Yankees mgr, and now Ozzie, they all take advantage of Quade’s lack of managerial skill. He absolutly has no clue how to manage.

  • TrevorPetersma

    That was so inept I can’t even describe my frustration.  If you can’t even make contact, you shouldn’t be on the roster.  Heck, Big Z could have lifted a flyball…

  • Aaron

    LOL….any other team folks….Quade would’ve lost his job long ago.

    He manages himself out of wins so many times, it’s ridiculous…I almost can’t watch anymore, as I’m screaming at the tv.

    This is the FREAKING WHITE SOX FOR CRYING OUT LOUD…..Yes, it matters if they suck otherwise, but at least if they beat the freaking White Sox, Cubs fans have a reason to smile.

    Quade has lost at least 3 games all by himself with his poor decision-making in the last week….it’ll be 4 if they lose tonight, which is almost a given.

    So….let me get this straight….Quade pinch hits for LeMahieu in close games to have a lefty at bat, but when it comes to lefty-lefty match-ups, he’s perfectly okay with it, even though the players suck against lefty pitchers…..I just want to slap him around a bit…..unfortunately, neither the Ricketts, nor Hendry will EVER hold him accountable. Why? Because Hendry would’ve been gone by now if there was even accountability in the organization. 

    • TrevorPetersma

      If managers had WAR ratings, Quades would be negative 7 at least.  

    • paulcatanese

      Aaron, I think it’s because Quade dosen’t manage to win, but tries to manage not to lose,if that makes any sense.

  • Tom U

    Ben Wells done for the evening. In 4.1 innings, allowed one earned run while striking out three. Boise leads Tri-City om the seventh 3-1.

    • Aaron


      Did you see my question to you last night about the Boise commentators thing? Were they talking about Na and Greathouse being demoted (which they were today), or other action?

      • Tom U

        They weren’t specific, but it was probably the demotions you mentioned. At the time, it sounded like bigger news.

      • GrantJones7

        DJ Fitzgerald was also released, he showed a bit of talent last year but sucked it up this year.

        I can see a bunch of moves this week or very few lol

  • Neil

    Cubs lost 4-3 to White Sox

    Starlin Castro: 2-for-4, RBI, BB, SB,
    Carlos Pena: HR; Alfonso Soriano: 1-for-2, 2BB, R, SB; Davis: 4R, 3ER, 2BB, 2K, 5IP

  • Aaron

    Well done Quandryketts (I’m going to start referring to him as such, given they’re all married to each other, for better or worse for the foreseeable future…funny thing is, they’re all inter-dependent on each other it seems, as Ricketts thinks Hendry is the best GM in the world, and Hendry believes Quade is/was even better than Girardi, whom he didn’t even give an interview to, Sandberg, and others….therefore, in order for Hendry to be fired, someone like Cuban would have to buy the team, and in order for Quade to be fired, someone other than Hendry would have to be GM, making them all interdependent)….

    Anyway, Quandryketts just got schooled on how to run a Major League baseball team today. Guillen managed to win, while Quade managed to hang onto his 1 run deficit. 

    One team is okay with losing (Cubs….and I offer the Pena AB earlier in the game as evidence), while Guillen is so competitive, he’ll suicide squeeze in unlikely scenarios just to get his team going. 

    Quandryketts also believes that speed is best used on the bench in pinch hitting scenarios (aside from tonight where he pinch ran Campana for DeWitt), and in the off chance he gives him a start, he believes the speed is best used in the 7 or 8 hole, rather than lead-off….hmmmmm…..I guess he thinks Z might be pitching everyday or something, and would be able to drive him in.

    I can’t stand Quandryketts….the Cubs deserve all the wrath in the world from MLB fans in general, their own fans, as well as the media, who until recently, has largely given them a pass.

    I hope the Cubs fail so badly this year, the debt situation gets even worse, forcing MLB to step in, making the team available again (in which case I believe they’d welcome Cuban with open arms at that point)….but I hope the backlash is so bad, even if that didn’t happen, the owners wouldn’t even be able to show their faces in Wrigleyville.

    Does it sound like I’m upset? Of course I am…..How in the hell can you possibly have a billion dollar company (Ameritrade), and be this dumb?!?!? How can you be that dumb, and even survive in life this long? You ask 99% of Cubs Nation, or even MLB for that matter, and they’d be able to rattle off a list of everything wrong with the Cubs, and how to fix it.

    But apparently ownership neither gets it, but they’re also willing to double down on mediocrity, keeping Hendry around to continue making the worst decisions in the game right now.

    • TrevorPetersma

      The really silly thing is that is isn’t like Ozzie was doing any mind bending managing.  He was doing pretty much what all of us were thinking on our sofa (at he was correct in doing so).  

      I don’t need Quade to be brilliant, I just want him not to be the dumbest manager I have ever seen manage.

  • Tom U

    Aaron, I agree that signing more draft picks should be a high prioity. Number one on that list should be Javier Baez. Third base is a little thin in the organization, and adding Baez to Josh Vitters, Brandon May, and Jeimer Candelario would help.

    Incidentally, it looks as if two of the draft picks are the real deal, at least defensively. Brad Zapenas has played very well at second. Paul Hoilman has sounded very smooth at first. He just turned a nifty 3-6 double play with Wes Darvill, who has also been solid defensively.

    • Aaron


      It’s getting to the point where I believe my prediction of 40% of their picks signed (20) is a little high, and I say that, based on the Cubs signing a host of non-drafted free agents (I believe 5 to be exact), when normally, they sign maybe 1 or 2 at the most. I believe Giansanti was the only one signed last year.

      They’re obviously already planning on not signing most of their draft class, but I never anticipated it being this bad.

      The Cubs had an outstanding draft, especially on the offensive side of things, but the problem is, the high schoolers they selected, and even some of the JUCO guys, all have tremendous college choices to fall back on if they don’t sign.

      Gretzky-San Diego State
      Dunston Jr.-Vanderbilt
      DeVoss-Miami *draft eligible soph (I included, because he’s still got 2 more chances to be drafted, just like all the high schoolers)
      Lindgren-Miss. State
      Calhoun-Dallas Baptist

      With the exception of a few guys, like Baez, Lockhart, Martin, and a few others, these guys have signed NLI with very good programs. So, not only did the Cubs have a tough time ahead of them signing a lot of these HS and JUCO guys, but they have the added complication with a majority of them signing with good programs.

      But I think the key here is putting yourself in these players’ shoes. Simply put, if you had the choice of signing with the Cubs, who clearly have NO idea what they’re doing player development-wise, and their current manager has done NOTHING to develop confidence in young players…..or, you had the opportunity to take your chance improving your draft stock in 2 additional drafts, hoping  a better team selects you….which are you choosing?

      Are you choosing an organization with facilities that are decrepit compared to the rest of the league…..NOT just with regular season facilities at Wrigley, but also in Spring Training? Are you choosing an organization that will waste your options shuttling you back and forth between the minors, waiting until you’re at least 25 years old in most cases before even adding you to the roster, then waking up one day, as a 28 year old, out of options, and never having a real shot at MLB success.

      …….yeah…….cuz that’s an organization I’d want to join….LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

      All players, parents, and advisors/agents have to do is look at management’s decisions this year as Exhibit A of why they wouldn’t touch a Cubs contract with a 10 foot pole.

      Players aren’t oblivious anymore. There is too much information available online, and with games broadcast over the internet now, they can see what their future might look like if they sign with the Cubs….and it doesn’t look pretty. 

      As always, I’m just trying to be realistic with everyone….and if I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit as much, and I will happily eat some crow.

      The problem is…..someone, anyone, please prove to me that I’m wrong about any of this…..What have the Ricketts ever done to inspire confidence among the fan base with the product on the field? Not only that, but they have even failed to inspire confidence in their ability to improve Wrigley Field for future generations.

      Right now, I know if I was in a similar position as a lot of these young players, and I’m drafted below the 10th round, and have at least 2 (maybe 3 if draft eligible sophomore based on age), I’m liking my chances of getting drafted again, and furthermore, I’m liking my chances of landing above the 10th round, so unless the Cubs offer me $200k+ (and also pay for my future college), there’s no way I’m foregoing a good college scholarship to play for an organization that is an absolute disaster like the Cubs are right now.

  • Michael

    Ok its time to say goodnight to the Doug Davis experiment. He was a decent fill-in but has 6 losses and an ERA over 5, time to CALL UP SOMEONE ELSE!!! Find a young kid in our farm system and give him an opportunity to seize the moment, or call up someone for the pen and give Jeff S a chance to start. It’s just frustrating when your bad but try and remedy for the future and find what you have in the minors …

    • Aaron

      Unfortunately, who can you possibly call up at this point? Jackson, Bibens-Dirkx, and Cabrera all have ERA’s over 7 in AAA. Coleman has an ERA under 4, but he’s already proven he can’t handle MLB hitting at this point. Ortiz has an ERA close to 5 in AAA, plus he’s very old for AAA at 38 years old. Outside of them, you have Raley and Rusin at AA with ERA’s between 4.5-4.75. Whitenack is out for the year with TJ surgery. McNutt is on the DL with cracked ribs (a very difficult injury for a pitcher to overcome), and Beeler 4.24 ERA (just got lit up in his last start), and Struck 2.01 ERA just got to AA, and have 3 and 4 starts respectively at that level. 

      The lack of production (both injury and performance) pitching-wise throughout the system is reason enough to blow up the MLB roster, and try to get as many prospects as possible.

      For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the Cubs haven’t already started the rebuilding process. Guys like Davis, Dempster, Zambrano, Grabow, Lopez, and even Wells don’t appear to have much of a future with the team. Then, on the offensive side, guys like Hill, Pena, DeWitt, Baker, ARAM, Soriano, Byrd, Johnson, and Fukudome have absolutely no future with this team.

      Especially with regards to the position players, I have no idea why any of them are still on the roster. 

      Guys like Castillo, Clevenger, Ridling, Flaherty, B. Jackson, M. Gonzalez, Spencer, etc. have done just about everything they need to do to get a chance this year, and any other organization that is this far out of the race, would’ve been giving them a look by now….Too bad we’re talking about the Cubs here, and they are unfortunately always “in the race”, even if they’re 20 games out with 23 left to play in September….And that’s the damn truth….which is ironic, because nobody in the organization speaks the ACTUAL TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!! They are hopeless, and nearly 20 games under .500…..At present, they are 14 games under .500 and 10 out in the division. 

      As if that weren’t embarrassing enough, they have one of the top payrollsin all of baseball, and they have the 2nd worst record to only the Astros, who have just 2 less wins than the Cubs (28 vs the Cubs’ 30).

      This year is going to prove a lot to not only Cubs Nation, but the entire league about how committed to winning ownership really is. My guess is not only will Kenney, Hendry, and Quade remain, but in the cases of Kenney and Hendry, they almost certainly will be extended, and Quade might even be given an extension by the buffoon we know as Jim Hendry.