Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Cardinals – 06/04/11

Game Fifty-Six: Cubs (23-32) vs. Cardinals (34-25)
Game Time – 3:10pm CDT
Coverage – TV: FOX Saturday Baseball – Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 186
Location – Busch Stadium, St. Louis

Randy Wells (1-1, 5.40/1.80) vs. Kyle Lohse (7-2, 2.13/0.92)

Will the Cubs show up to the park today and will Mike Quade have them ready to play? The Cubs seemed to go through the motions against their archrival Friday night … and in the process they lost their fourth game in a row (six of seven in the loss column). The Cubs enter play today a season low nine game under .500 … and in need of a win.

The Cubs are hoping to have Aramis Ramirez back in the lineup this afternoon. Ramirez received seven stitches after getting hit in the mouth with a groundball Wednesday afternoon. Ramirez is listed as day-to-day. If Ramirez is not back, look for Blake DeWitt to get a start at the hot corner.

In other newsMatt Garza is expected to be activated from the DL Monday and start in the opener against the Reds. Alfonso Soriano and Jeff Baker are in Mesa rehabbing … and Reed Johnson could return Thursday from the DL for the start of the Phillies series.

Today it all starts with Randy WellsRandy Wells will make his second start since coming off the DL this afternoon. Wells was inconsistent at best in his last outing against the Pirates. Wells nibbled and ran up his pitch count while pitching with seemingly not much confidence. His first outing in nearly two months was predictable and most importantly, it is now out of the way. Randy Wells should view today as being the start of his season.

This afternoon will be Wells’ first road start of the season and he will face the organization he rooted for while growing up in Belleville, Illinois.

Wells is 2-2 in five career games, four starts, versus the Redbirds with a 3.91 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP … at Busch Stadium, a perfect 1-0 in one start with a 1.13 ERA and a 0.63 WHIP. Wells threw a gem in front of family and friends last September 14 (one run on five hits in eight innings with no walks and five strikeouts.

Cardinals Career Numbers against Randy Wells

  • Lance Berkman – 3-for-8 with 4 walks
  • Jon Jay – 1-for-5 with a walk
  • Yadier Molina – 3-for-6 with 2 doubles and a walk
  • Albert Pujols – 1-for-8
  • Colby Rasmus – 3-for-8 with 2 walks
  • Skip Schumaker – 2-for-12

The Cubs selected Kyle Lohse in the 29th round of the 1996 draft and traded him to the Twins three years later in the deal that brought Rick Aguilera and Scott Downs to the North Side of Chicago. Lohse has always had the talent to be a successful big league pitcher and while he’s shown flashes (15-6 in 2008 with a 3.78 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP), Lohse has been very inconsistent until this season.

Lohse is on a three-game winning streak, the last time he lost a game was back on May 7 against the Brewers … and it was a gem. Lohse allowed only one run on six hits in eight innings, the Cards were blanked 4-0. Lohse beat the Rockies in Denver in his last outing … he allowed just two runs on six hits in six innings.

This afternoon will be Lohse’s sixth start of the year at Busch Stadium, he is 2-2 in the first five with a 2.61 ERA and a 0.92 WHIP.

Kyle Lohse is 1-4 in 10 career starts versus the Cubs with a 6.52 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP.

Cubs Career Numbers against Kyle Lohse

  • Starlin Castro – 0-for-2
  • Blake DeWitt – 1-for-2 with 2 walks
  • Kosuke Fukudome – 3-for-14 with 2 doubles and a walk
  • Koyie Hill – 1-for-5 with a double
  • Carlos Pena – 8-for-31 with a double, a triple, a home run and 2 walks
  • Aramis Ramirez – 7-for-15 with 3 doubles and a home run
  • Geovany Soto – 3-for-10 with a double and a walk

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Let’s Talk Cubs Baseball …


  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    Fukudome – RF
    Barney – 2B
    Castro – SS
    Pena – 1B
    DeWitt – 3B
    Soto – C
    Colvin – LF
    Campana – CF
    Wells – P

    • paulcatanese

      Neil,dont get Fox and MLB is blocked,so guess what, I’ll be looking at the blog all day with your’e coverage of the game, and thats okay,just cannot watch Campana run the bases.

      • cubtex

        Paul, I have a feeling you might be better off not watching this garbage :) That lineup the Cubs have been putting out there is brutal!

        • Tedtop16

          It would be nice if someone from the organization would step up and do a Steinbrenner. Which is saying this baseball that we are playing is crap and it is time to step up. So far all that we have heard is excuses. There is zero leadership.

          • BosephHeyden

            I’ll say this: if the Cubs haven’t made significant progress by the All-Star break and still have yet to make a move, then we’ll know for sure that Ricketts bought this team so he could go to every Cubs game for free.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

            You mean that is doubt?

        • paulcatanese

          I think you have a good point there, it’s not very impressive at all. As I hd said earlier I think they have packed it in for the season and are resigned to last place.

           Hope the rookies put that aside and do as well as they can and continue to hustle, if they don’t now it will surely be to their disadvantage. They have a chance to show themselves and should use the opportunity. Although it may not mean anything to present management.

          • paulcatanese

            To cubtex,found my post, ha, I’m looking at it and I did not mean that the point you made was not impressive,I had meant the lineup.

        • paulcatanese

          I responded a few minutes ago,but don’t know what happened to it, anyway I agree,but it’s raining here and cannot even go hit some golfballs.

          I did want to put somthing out there though. I firmly believe that Ricketts, JH, and Quade do visit the site and read some or all of the posts. I have even resorted to having my wife check the mailbox and start the car before I get in it.

          All kidding aside I do believe they read the posts, and either we are all very
          astute in projecting things or Quade is reading them and making adjustments
          to his lineup, then again he does need leadership.

          • cubtex

            I am looking forward to the draft on Monday. I hope the Whitenack injury doesn’t make them look beyond a position player in the first round. If Bubba Starling falls to them….I hope they don’t pass on him. I know the starting rotation is in shambles and like I mentioned…I hope they blow it up next year with the exception of Garza. Hey, the Brewers added Greinke and Marcum this year….the Cubs will need to add 2 starters for next year comparable to them. Well it looks like they can’t waffle this year and say they are buyers instead of sellers. They will definately be sellers and hopefully a lot of trades will happen over the next couple of months.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            A name to keep an eye on is Mikie Mahtook, the outfielder out of LSU.

          • cubtex

            Neil, Have you heard that the Cubs like him? He is an athlete so I wouldn’t mind the pick. With Szcur, Golden and Jackson…at least they seem to want to draft more athletic outfielders than they have in the past. I know they drafted Sonny Gray before and now with the recent injuries to some minor leaguers…I have a gut feeling they will draft him again if he is there. Your thoughts?

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            I have heard the Cubs like him … if Bubba Starling is not there. I would like to see them take Sonny Gray, but I think they will take a position player in the first round. Gray has the makings of a good big league pitcher, either as a starter or as a reliever.

          • cubtex

            I like Gray as well but I would prefer they go with a positon player. It is a pretty deep draft for pitchers and they can get an athlete with the first pick. A lot of people do not like George Springer…but the video I have seen on him is pretty impressive. Quick bat and big power potential. He has excellent plate discipline too as he has walked a ton in his college career. Ideally, I would love to see Anthony Rendon from Rice fall(not going to happen) but I would like to see Starling,Mahtook or Springer. The one pitcher I wouldn’t pass on if he slips is Trevor Bauer. 97 mph heat with a great curve.

          • Aaron

            Unfortunately, Springer does NOT have very good plate discipline. Look at his stats from freshman and sophomore years:
            http://www.thebaseballcube.com/profile.asp?P=/George-Springer.shtml

            53 K’s in 212 AB’s
            70 K’s in 243 AB’s

            Then, this year:
            37 K’s in 223 AB’s

            *The thing Springer has going for him is that he walks a lot. He’s almost like the right-handed version of Brett Jackson. The problem is, Jackson is not considered a future star player either….and Springer’s improved K rate came at the expense of some power.

            At least his numbers prior to his junior year were better than Colvin’s. Someone should’ve been fired for his selection by the way…if you just looked at his previous numbers, you’d see he was a one year wonder (I actually said that at the time of the draft too, and the Cubs were going all on projection with him on adding muscle, etc which is always a terrible idea. The thing that stuck out for me though is the fact that Colvin and Springer have very similar stats their junior years.:
            http://www.thebaseballcube.com/profile.asp?P=/tyler-colvin.shtml

          • Aaron

            Also, that same page has his numbers from the Cape Cod League at the bottom, which is supposedly why the Cubs are high on him…..and it figures…he looked about average to me.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Aaron, from the way I understand it they have soured on Springer.

          • Aaron

            Good…I’m glad…did you happen to have a link, or just what you were hearing? I think that Cron or Mahtook would be my choices there for college bats. If Starling lasts, I might not even take him…Supposedly he’s dead set on attending Nebraska, especially now that they just hired Erstad as their head coach…and of course, they have a good football program too. 

            I’d strongly consider Josh Bell, and offer him something he couldn’t possibly turn down. I guess he’s really wanting to go to Texas, and sent a letter to all teams saying so, but it could be just a negotiating ploy, and of course, with Boras as his advisor, he might just take the money if it’s good, though sometimes Boras tells his guys to go to school. If Bell’s bat is advanced as rumored, I wouldn’t shy from making him an offer of $4-5 million, and for ANYONE, that’d be incredibly hard to pass up.

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            I’ve heard a couple of rumblings and Keith Law mentioned the same this morning.

            http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&page=LawMockDraft3.0

          • Aaron

            thanks Neil!

          • cubtex

            yea. I saw he did well in the Cape Cod league(which is a pretty good sign) Who would you prefer between Mahtook or Springer? I think Springer has 30 plus power potential and is a much better athlete than Colvin(IMO) I noticed Jim Callis’s mock draft had the Cubs taking Archie Bradley the hard throwing High School kid from OK.

          • Aaron

            Mahtook over Springer

            Bradley over them all. I’d actually prefer Bundy if he was available, but those 2 guys would be very hard to pass on, especially since they aren’t college arms. 

            There’s 2 schools of thought with arms in the draft. 

            #1-High school arms generally aren’t as polished as college arms, and they come with far less mileage
            #2-College pitchers are far more polished than high school arms, because unless they attend JUCO, they’ve been pitching for at least 3 years at a high level, and have worked kinks out. They also move rapidly through the farm system and can sometimes help out in the year they’re drafted. Problem is, college arms almost always have more mileage than high school arms

            The issue with either type player is the fact that coaches at all levels can misuse players. If anyone is not familiar with Kerry Wood’s high school coach, you should look it up. He completely abused him I believe either right before or right after the Cubs had selected him, absolutely infuriating Cubs management. I think he pitched both ends of a doubleheader in state playoffs, or back-to-back starts, or something like that. That type of stress can ruin a pitcher, so it has to be considered no matter who you draft.

          • Trevor_P

            hmmm, i posted a few minutes ago, it appeared, then now my comment is gone..disqus issues?

          • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

            Trevor, your comment is at the bottom of the page right now.

          • Trevor_P

            Thanks Neil, I’ll be more patient in the future..  :)

  • RynoTiger

    there have been some games I haven’t seen over the past week, but has Snyder even made an appearance in a game yet whether for defense or even to pinch hit?

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Snyder has been used twice … once as a pinch-runner last Tuesday against the Astros, scored the tying run and once as a pinch-hitter, Wednesday.

      • Aaron

        once again….Quade putting players in position to succeed……..errrr…..not

        “hey kid, welcome to the big leagues…you’ve been hitting like a son of a gun….why don’t you take a seat on the bench, and I’ll get you some pinch hits here and there, maybe pinch run, and if you don’t succeed, we’ll option you back. How does that sound?”

  • Brentcarmona

    Castro worries me. Three straight sliders off the plate exact location and he swung at all three in a row.

    • diehardcubfan

      Castro was definitely pressing on that.  Unfortunately given we have no
      one else I think he feels he has to try and make it happen. 

      I believe over time as he matures as a hitter he will become more selective and disciplined not to swing at those.

      I attribute that poor at bat to youthful exuberance.  You cannot blame Castro for the Cubs not scoring there.  As fans we have to be patient with him.  He is one of the few I am willing to allow to grow and develop.  The majority have no excuse.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    1st and 3rd no outs, three batters later … no runs.

    • diehardcubfan

      I can forgive Castro there but Pena did not have a good at bat as a veteran.  He should have been the one to have gotten at least a fly ball to get Fukudome home from 3rd. 

      Eventually Castro should develop as a RBI threat but Pena as a veteran should have gotten the job done.

  • diehardcubfan

    How come Quade cannot recognize it is a waste having Campana bat 8th but Tim McCarver (Fox Sports) recognized it right away.

    Such poor use of our players.  No wonder we are 9 games below .500.

  • RynoTiger

    so when Reed Johnson comes off the DL, who do you think should go back to the minors?

     

    • diehardcubfan

      Colvin.  He is lost still.  It will take a while to rebuild his confidence. Colvin still has upside unlike Snyder and Montanez.

      • cubtex

        I really think they should have left Colvin in AAA and brought up somebody else. He is overmatched against MLB pitching right now. He needs to figure it out in the minors. Did you see him those first 2 at bats against Garcia last night?  He had no chance.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      I think it will be Colvin.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cardinals being Cub-aggressive in the first two innings.

  • RynoTiger

    I liked Bob’s comment last night that the Cubs rushed Soto’s rehab. 

    He has a point..why rush him back? why not let him work on things as well?  he’s looked absolutely terrible with his swings.  why not see if we can get back to a productive form so he can be of help at some point…otherwise it makes me wonder if he’s even worth having next year.

    • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

      Another example of poor roster management. Soto was off in the two games with the Smokies, I agree with Bob there was no reason to rush him back.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Predictable start to the fourth for Wells.

  • Trevor_P

    Just dumb to give Pujols anything good to hit.  I’d rather let berkman try to beat me than risk leaving a fastball up like that.  

    • paulcatanese

      Juat have to agree with you,as he came back to bite the Cubs 3 times
      for the win. All that needs to be done is Quade raising his fingers and
      for of them, indicating walk him.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Trey McNutt placed on the DL with bruised ribs.

  • RynoTiger

    Cubs lead the Cards 5-1….in hits :)  look at that bright spot

    • diehardcubfan

      It’s not that the Cubs can’t hit, it is hitting when it counts when we have RISP.  That is when the team has had issues.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Carlos Pena with a two-run shot

    • paulcatanese

      Yes Neil and then Quade takes him out of the game, leaves the Cubs without a legitimate homerun threat for the rest of the game.

  • diehardcubfan

    Nice job of redemption by Pena.  At least we are back in the game.

  • diehardcubfan

    Campana!!! 

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Nice at bat by Campana

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Kosuke with his third hit of the day

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cardinals with three runs (so far) on three hits and a walk against Wells. Pujols drove in all three with a homer and a double. Wells changed his approach both times against Pujols with runners on base.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Wells pitched better than his final line.

    • diehardcubfan

      Other than the pitch to Pujols, he pitched really well.  It was definitely better than his last outing and hopefully in his next start he can give us a quality start because we definitely need it.

  • Ripsnorter1

    I was listening to Zonk and Pat on radio . . . .
    Cards are playing Campana in front of the girls’ line. Didn’t think Soto could score on a single, but he did. 

    • paulcatanese

      Thats because Soto has blazing speed, Rip.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Cubs with only one hit and one baserunner off Cards pen

  • Dorasaga

    That was a nice inning-ending catch by The Riot. Take that, Cards! … oh, no, I thought we are in 2008.

    j/k I’m betting a walk off homer from Russell. Good for my fantasy team. And I’m not sorry to say that before draft day coming up this Monday!

    • Dorasaga

      Marmol against Berkman. That’s entertaining.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    Good job by Marmol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    Well we got out of that one. Good job Marmol now lets get a lead and see if we can hold it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hood/100000706523521 Richard Hood

    I am setting here chanting to my brother WE WANT FRANKLIN. Then we might get a shot at this one.

  • Brentcarmona

    Saw a couple 85mph sliders from marmol. Like to see the velocity up.

  • Dorasaga

    Leadoff Colvin grounded out on first pitch. Same with Fuk only two batters later.

    Not good.

  • paulcatanese

    Like to know who will pitch the bottom of the 12th if the Cubs score?
    Also why Colvin to first, Montanez to left and Pena out? And Marmol
    in with bases loaded and one out and allowing Berkman to stay left handed,
    his better side. None of that made sense,but it worked out. Completely against
    the book. Montanez makes a running catch, Marmol strikes out Berkman and
    the inning was over. But now they only have one hitter in the lineup who could
    hit a home run, Soto.

  • Dorasaga

    By the way, Aaron and Cubtex, that was a long drive from a BaBuun to My-Tooth in the Wood.

    Sounds like a tropical forest to me. Are you guys serious about drafting a pitcher, though? I mean, shouldn’t we grade the Cubs management “D,” again, if they pass on ANY BAT the first two rounds… in such a deep pool of pitching talent, 2011??

    • Dorasaga

      Finally, over. Perhaps this is why I love fantasy baseball: I got to stay skeptic and
      root for something I don’t like. And I’m glad I drafted Pujols for a
      team this year.

  • http://chicagocubsonline.com/ Neil

    #Cubs lost to #Cardinals 5-4 in 12 innings. Wells’ line: 4R,
    3H (HR),BB,K,5.2IP; Pena:2-for-5,HR,2 RBI,R; Campana:2-for-5,R,RBI;
    Fukudome:3-for-6,2 2B,RBI

    Another fine managing job

    • http://www.facebook.com/scott.mcmeekan Scott McMeekan

      Yeah, that walk to the mound to tell Soto what to do really worked out, right?  

  • JedMosley

    Why do you even pitch to him?

  • diehardcubfan

    What on earth is Quade doing having Shark pitch to Pujols?  Bad, Bad, Bad decision!!!

    • paulcatanese

      You left out three more Bads, that was at least a 5.

  • EqDoc

    What the hell!!!!!  Quade is sooooo in over his head!!  Everyone in the stadium know what pitches Quade told Geo to call.  Albert just sat back and waited.  My god what more do you need to know that his is NOT an MLB manager…

  • paulcatanese

    Well once again Quade proved why HE thinks he is the smartest manager in the Majors, keep pitching to Pujols, do not walk him he will not hurt you. Quade must think all the other managers in baseball are stupid and he knows what he is doing.